Episode 95: Fern, Shannon & Hannah vs. Data Centers

[00:00:23 - 00:00:24] Speaker: I'm here with


[00:00:24 - 00:00:28] Speaker: Ferne, Hannah and Shannon,


[00:00:29 - 00:00:31] Speaker: and we're going to talk about


[00:00:31 - 00:00:35] Speaker: some data center stuff
and whatever else comes up.


[00:00:35 - 00:00:38] Speaker: So I'm going to start here


[00:00:38 - 00:00:41] Speaker: and kind of introduce yourself,
say what you do if that's okay.


[00:00:41 - 00:00:44] Speaker: Just so everybody has like a basis on who
everybody is,


[00:00:44 - 00:00:47] Speaker: I'm Mark, I'm a I'm an alcoholic.


[00:00:48 - 00:00:49] Speaker: So. All right.


[00:00:49 - 00:00:51] Speaker: Do you want to go
I'm Shannon Gross. Yeah.


[00:00:51 - 00:00:55] Speaker: I am the founder of a local nonprofit
and the campaign manager for firm Laird.


[00:00:56 - 00:00:57] Speaker: Okay.


[00:00:57 - 00:01:00] Speaker: I'm Hannah Butterick,
and I'm an accountant


[00:01:00 - 00:01:03] Speaker: and marketing manager,
and I hold firm there as well.


[00:01:04 - 00:01:06] Speaker: Wait. Hold on. What's your last name?


[00:01:06 - 00:01:08] Speaker: Where does that come from?


[00:01:08 - 00:01:09] Speaker: My husband's family.


[00:01:09 - 00:01:11] Speaker: I think it's, English.


[00:01:11 - 00:01:12] Speaker: We have to.


[00:01:12 - 00:01:15] Speaker: We have to ancestry that.
I want to know where that came from.


[00:01:15 - 00:01:18] Speaker: Oh, the name is eating a beach.


[00:01:18 - 00:01:20] Speaker: That's easier, that's easier.


[00:01:20 - 00:01:23] Speaker: It's us. Yeah. Go everywhere.


[00:01:23 - 00:01:25] Speaker: Okay. You're next. I'm fine.


[00:01:25 - 00:01:27] Speaker: I, I'm candidate,


[00:01:27 - 00:01:31] Speaker: for the 120th Statehouse District
for Pennsylvania's General Assembly.


[00:01:32 - 00:01:35] Speaker: Why? Why would you do that?


[00:01:36 - 00:01:37] Speaker: Yeah,


[00:01:37 - 00:01:39] Speaker: you got suckered. Why would you like?


[00:01:39 - 00:01:41] Speaker: So I asked like Jamie,
like Jamie Walsh has been on here,


[00:01:41 - 00:01:44] Speaker: and I always act like,
why would why would he run? And he.


[00:01:44 - 00:01:45] Speaker: I mean, obviously he has his reasons.


[00:01:45 - 00:01:48] Speaker: I'm just curious on
why would you get into the fire?


[00:01:50 - 00:01:51] Speaker: Because I feel very underrepresented.


[00:01:51 - 00:01:56] Speaker: And, a lot of times
I seen that in my party.


[00:01:56 - 00:01:57] Speaker: I'm a I'm with the Democratic Party.


[00:01:57 - 00:02:02] Speaker: They don't bother running people
or they run people who don't really know


[00:02:02 - 00:02:05] Speaker: or understand the community, and I don't


[00:02:05 - 00:02:06] Speaker: I don't go for that.


[00:02:06 - 00:02:10] Speaker: I don't think that anyone who doesn't know
where they live should be representing


[00:02:10 - 00:02:12] Speaker: the people that live among them.


[00:02:12 - 00:02:17] Speaker: And I am just so sick
and tired of the back and forth


[00:02:17 - 00:02:20] Speaker: and nothing ever getting done, and people
not listening


[00:02:20 - 00:02:23] Speaker: to the other side
as though we're not all people.


[00:02:23 - 00:02:25] Speaker: Now you got some, you got some.


[00:02:25 - 00:02:28] Speaker: I'm going to get this straight better for
you right there and just get comfortable.


[00:02:28 - 00:02:31] Speaker: This is all I wish
we had like meditation music


[00:02:31 - 00:02:35] Speaker: and some some tea,
like some smelly stuff. But.


[00:02:35 - 00:02:40] Speaker: So what was, what was I can't I will come
back to that because that works.


[00:02:40 - 00:02:41] Speaker: It's weird.


[00:02:41 - 00:02:43] Speaker: What was it? What?


[00:02:43 - 00:02:45] Speaker: Why step up like nobody asked you, right?


[00:02:45 - 00:02:47] Speaker: You just decided to.


[00:02:47 - 00:02:50] Speaker: Because I hear a lot of politicians
go on like, well, I was asked to.


[00:02:50 - 00:02:53] Speaker: And when once they're asked to,
I get really curious about


[00:02:53 - 00:02:56] Speaker: who the person
who did the asking them to run was.


[00:02:56 - 00:02:58] Speaker: Does that make sense? Yes.


[00:02:58 - 00:03:01] Speaker: So in 2022, it became clear


[00:03:01 - 00:03:04] Speaker: that there was not going to be a candidate
for the 120th district.


[00:03:05 - 00:03:08] Speaker: And I remember


[00:03:08 - 00:03:11] Speaker: kind of stammering around my house
being upset about it.


[00:03:11 - 00:03:13] Speaker: Like they're always telling us, vote
no matter who win.


[00:03:13 - 00:03:17] Speaker: And they don't give us somebody to vote
for or somebody that like you believe in.


[00:03:17 - 00:03:19] Speaker: Yeah, that's even harder to find.


[00:03:19 - 00:03:22] Speaker: And I remember they can't find anybody.


[00:03:22 - 00:03:23] Speaker: They can't find no one.


[00:03:23 - 00:03:26] Speaker: Not not one person.
They can't find somebody.


[00:03:26 - 00:03:28] Speaker: And then I just stopped
and I said, I'm somebody.


[00:03:28 - 00:03:31] Speaker: And I,
you know, a little background about me.


[00:03:31 - 00:03:34] Speaker: My sons were born
with a rare condition, but, you know.


[00:03:34 - 00:03:37] Speaker: Yeah, I look that up.
I don't even I've never heard of that.


[00:03:37 - 00:03:39] Speaker: I didn't hear from it
until they were diagnosed with it.


[00:03:39 - 00:03:39] Speaker: Okay.


[00:03:39 - 00:03:42] Speaker: I have a cousin who has it,
but she's out of state so that they.


[00:03:42 - 00:03:45] Speaker: It wasn't something
that they ever talked about, but,


[00:03:45 - 00:03:46] Speaker: that's how we need to look for it.


[00:03:46 - 00:03:48] Speaker: As a matter of fact,
my aunt called me, but there was,


[00:03:49 - 00:03:50] Speaker: no coverage for that.


[00:03:50 - 00:03:51] Speaker: Like, one of the main


[00:03:51 - 00:03:55] Speaker: components of their care was not covered
or mandated to be covered by insurance.


[00:03:55 - 00:03:58] Speaker: And there was a bill in Congress
that would mandate it


[00:03:58 - 00:04:01] Speaker: for Medicare
and then there for Medicaid patients.


[00:04:01 - 00:04:03] Speaker: So I started fighting for that.


[00:04:03 - 00:04:06] Speaker: And that's where I learned the ins
and outs of political process.


[00:04:06 - 00:04:09] Speaker: So I understand how all of it works.


[00:04:09 - 00:04:11] Speaker: And like and how it really works,


[00:04:11 - 00:04:14] Speaker: not how it works on paper,
because I had been doing it for a decade.


[00:04:14 - 00:04:18] Speaker: So when that happened, when I saw
that no one was going to be running,


[00:04:18 - 00:04:22] Speaker: and after all of the divide
between 2016 and 2020


[00:04:22 - 00:04:25] Speaker: and in 2022, like,
we don't even have a choice.


[00:04:25 - 00:04:26] Speaker: Are you serious?


[00:04:26 - 00:04:30] Speaker: So like I said, I stopped myself
and I said, I'm somebody.


[00:04:30 - 00:04:32] Speaker: Why not? I know the job to do.


[00:04:32 - 00:04:35] Speaker: You remember the moment
when you were advocating for your kids?


[00:04:35 - 00:04:37] Speaker: Like we were like, oh, this is all broken?


[00:04:38 - 00:04:40] Speaker: Or was it before that?


[00:04:40 - 00:04:42] Speaker: It was a few years in,


[00:04:42 - 00:04:45] Speaker: I had I was that person who I didn't vote.


[00:04:46 - 00:04:47] Speaker: I was like, my vote doesn't matter.


[00:04:47 - 00:04:49] Speaker: They don't do anything to help
the people. And, you know,


[00:04:49 - 00:04:52] Speaker: if they're not going to help us,
why should I bother helping them?


[00:04:52 - 00:04:54] Speaker: Realize how important it was.


[00:04:54 - 00:04:58] Speaker: So when I come across, 
a lot of the people who feel that way,


[00:04:58 - 00:04:59] Speaker: I absolutely understand it.


[00:04:59 - 00:05:03] Speaker: I didn't vote for the first time
until I was 28 years old.


[00:05:03 - 00:05:04] Speaker: Really?


[00:05:04 - 00:05:08] Speaker: So I got I got a I have a buddy of mine
who's an artist, and I the last election


[00:05:08 - 00:05:11] Speaker: was the first election he's voted in
and he's he's like in his mid,


[00:05:11 - 00:05:14] Speaker: mid to late 40s. It's happening a lot.


[00:05:14 - 00:05:18] Speaker: It's happening a lot of people are
waking up and we're seeing more and more


[00:05:18 - 00:05:21] Speaker: that we are the ones with the power
and we just haven't been using it.


[00:05:22 - 00:05:24] Speaker: Because I think it's been
I think we've been talked out of using it.


[00:05:24 - 00:05:29] Speaker: I think there's been years and years
of feeling like we don't have any help


[00:05:29 - 00:05:33] Speaker: and we don't have any hope,
and we're changing that.


[00:05:33 - 00:05:37] Speaker: There's a lot of people who typically
never wanted to be in politics,


[00:05:37 - 00:05:41] Speaker: or at least the face of it,
that are stepping up now.


[00:05:41 - 00:05:42] Speaker: So we're having more and more.


[00:05:42 - 00:05:46] Speaker: I don't want to call us regular people
because we're all people, but, more blue


[00:05:46 - 00:05:47] Speaker: collar workers.


[00:05:47 - 00:05:50] Speaker: I see working class is uniting more
and putting themselves out there.


[00:05:51 - 00:05:54] Speaker: I mean, the hard part is like working
class is busy work


[00:05:54 - 00:05:57] Speaker: and like, you survive
and you're going to work and


[00:05:57 - 00:06:00] Speaker: you don't really have time for other
just because of running a campaign.


[00:06:01 - 00:06:02] Speaker: But people are starting
to create their time


[00:06:02 - 00:06:05] Speaker: because they realize the significance
of it.


[00:06:05 - 00:06:07] Speaker: It's, you know, to
to further answer your question,


[00:06:09 - 00:06:10] Speaker: we at


[00:06:10 - 00:06:14] Speaker: one point had become the most supported
health care bill in all of Congress


[00:06:15 - 00:06:18] Speaker: in this in the state or the federal.


[00:06:18 - 00:06:20] Speaker: Okay.


[00:06:20 - 00:06:22] Speaker: I had it been I hadn't started
paying attention to state yet.


[00:06:22 - 00:06:26] Speaker: So I've definitely stumbled along the way,
you know,


[00:06:26 - 00:06:29] Speaker: until I got really involved
because I do really pay attention now.


[00:06:29 - 00:06:33] Speaker: But I didn't get a vote
this bill was going


[00:06:33 - 00:06:35] Speaker: to save all kinds of money everywhere.


[00:06:35 - 00:06:36] Speaker: It's going to save the taxpayers money.


[00:06:36 - 00:06:39] Speaker: It was going to literally help
millions of people.


[00:06:39 - 00:06:43] Speaker: And, you know, it wasn't just money
to be saved on the health care


[00:06:43 - 00:06:46] Speaker: aspect of things, but it was going to
prevent people from going on disability.


[00:06:46 - 00:06:48] Speaker: So we would no longer have to pay
for that.


[00:06:48 - 00:06:50] Speaker: It was, you know, this disease.


[00:06:50 - 00:06:52] Speaker: You said that you looked it up
a little bit after you go,


[00:06:52 - 00:06:54] Speaker: but I still don't know what it is
because it was


[00:06:54 - 00:06:56] Speaker: I was like,
I've never heard of this, what is this?


[00:06:57 - 00:07:00] Speaker: And am I
assuming it has to do with like the lymph?


[00:07:01 - 00:07:02] Speaker: Yeah.


[00:07:02 - 00:07:03] Speaker: The lymphatic system.


[00:07:03 - 00:07:04] Speaker: There's two ways that you can get it.


[00:07:04 - 00:07:07] Speaker: You can be born with it,
which is what happened to my thumb,


[00:07:07 - 00:07:10] Speaker: where your lymphatic system
just never developed properly.


[00:07:10 - 00:07:13] Speaker: Or you can get it from a secondary cause,
like if you, you can get in a car


[00:07:13 - 00:07:15] Speaker: accident
and it can mess up your lymphatic system.


[00:07:15 - 00:07:19] Speaker: Really very common with cancer patients,
especially breast cancer patients.


[00:07:19 - 00:07:21] Speaker: They have surgery, they go
in, they remove the cancer,


[00:07:21 - 00:07:24] Speaker: they remove some of the lymph
nodes and bam, you have lymphedema.


[00:07:24 - 00:07:25] Speaker: And what does that mean?


[00:07:25 - 00:07:28] Speaker: Like what is what is what does that mean
for people who get that


[00:07:28 - 00:07:30] Speaker: fluid does not drain on its own.


[00:07:30 - 00:07:31] Speaker: So it leaves you very swollen.


[00:07:31 - 00:07:35] Speaker: If you've ever been out and about, you've
seen some people with like arm sleeves.


[00:07:35 - 00:07:37] Speaker: That's
probably one of is legs. I would say.


[00:07:39 - 00:07:41] Speaker: Is that like
the is that like and I'm like, I'm not.


[00:07:41 - 00:07:43] Speaker: None of this is to like
make fun of anybody.


[00:07:43 - 00:07:45] Speaker: But it's like the,
you know, like like they have like the


[00:07:45 - 00:07:48] Speaker: it almost looks like an elephant leg
and Titus.


[00:07:48 - 00:07:50] Speaker: But it is akin to that visually.


[00:07:50 - 00:07:52] Speaker: Yeah. That's that's what I meant.
Yeah. Yeah.


[00:07:52 - 00:07:55] Speaker: And that's where they were like they,
they go and get them drained.


[00:07:55 - 00:07:57] Speaker: They have to go to like
if they lymphatic their right,


[00:07:57 - 00:07:59] Speaker: they have to wear the compressions
to keep it regulated.


[00:07:59 - 00:08:02] Speaker: Right of, you know, swelling.


[00:08:02 - 00:08:04] Speaker: So you go like one, two, three escalates.


[00:08:04 - 00:08:07] Speaker: So you want to manage it is the idea
because it level of discomfort.


[00:08:07 - 00:08:10] Speaker: You also would that type of swelling


[00:08:10 - 00:08:13] Speaker: around for but it could also damage
nerves and vessels.


[00:08:13 - 00:08:14] Speaker: I mean I think


[00:08:14 - 00:08:17] Speaker: amputations could occur of the feet
if things are restricted to the point.


[00:08:17 - 00:08:19] Speaker: I mean it's inflammation too,
right? Obviously.


[00:08:19 - 00:08:21] Speaker: Yeah. It's very, very swollen.


[00:08:21 - 00:08:24] Speaker: And they'll, they'll tell you
that there's no pain associated with it.


[00:08:24 - 00:08:27] Speaker: But you get a if you've ever been swollen
at any point in time, you know, that's.


[00:08:27 - 00:08:28] Speaker: Yeah, I've, I've,


[00:08:29 - 00:08:30] Speaker: I've jammed my


[00:08:30 - 00:08:33] Speaker: thumb and I was that was discomforting.


[00:08:33 - 00:08:33] Speaker: Right.


[00:08:33 - 00:08:35] Speaker: Well, I mean, all that fluid presses
on your nerves.


[00:08:35 - 00:08:37] Speaker: Like, I don't understand
how they can tell you that.


[00:08:37 - 00:08:40] Speaker: It's not painful, but it definitely is.


[00:08:40 - 00:08:43] Speaker: I'm grateful that my sons don't know the
difference because they were born with it.


[00:08:43 - 00:08:45] Speaker: They've never not had it.


[00:08:45 - 00:08:49] Speaker: I can't imagine how hard it would be
for someone to just develop this,


[00:08:49 - 00:08:52] Speaker: whether it be by an accident or, you know,


[00:08:52 - 00:08:55] Speaker: cancer treatment,
what have you, any secondary cause


[00:08:55 - 00:08:56] Speaker: and then all of a sudden have this thing


[00:08:56 - 00:08:59] Speaker: that you have never heard of
for the rest of your life, and then learn


[00:08:59 - 00:09:02] Speaker: that there is a treatment for it
that you're not allowed to access.


[00:09:03 - 00:09:04] Speaker: Now, what would the treatment be?


[00:09:04 - 00:09:06] Speaker: It's the compression garments
that weren't there.


[00:09:06 - 00:09:08] Speaker: So there's a manual lymphatic drainage.


[00:09:08 - 00:09:09] Speaker: It's like a very,


[00:09:09 - 00:09:12] Speaker: specific therapy that you go through,
and they can teach it to you.


[00:09:12 - 00:09:14] Speaker: Like the goal is always self care, right?


[00:09:14 - 00:09:17] Speaker: And once the fluid is drained,
you put the compression on it.


[00:09:17 - 00:09:21] Speaker: So sometimes they look like cut stockings,
but they are much,


[00:09:21 - 00:09:23] Speaker: much tighter than that.


[00:09:23 - 00:09:24] Speaker: It's gradient compression.


[00:09:24 - 00:09:27] Speaker: And that prevents
the fluid from coming back in.


[00:09:27 - 00:09:30] Speaker: So there's like you don't have to like
there's no like medicines or anything.


[00:09:30 - 00:09:34] Speaker: It's just it's just make sure that you
keep some sort of compression on it.


[00:09:34 - 00:09:36] Speaker: Right.
Because you're moving fluid like so.


[00:09:36 - 00:09:39] Speaker: The lymphatic system is in charge
of draining like toxins from your body.


[00:09:40 - 00:09:41] Speaker: So what happens
is that your lymphatic system


[00:09:41 - 00:09:43] Speaker: will take it and drain
everything down to your kidneys.


[00:09:43 - 00:09:46] Speaker: And then you, you know,
you excrete. Yeah. Yeah.


[00:09:46 - 00:09:49] Speaker: So when it's not moving
and it gathers and it's swelling


[00:09:49 - 00:09:51] Speaker: and you just have the toxins
trickle in there.


[00:09:51 - 00:09:51] Speaker: Yeah.


[00:09:51 - 00:09:54] Speaker: You are very much prone to infection.


[00:09:54 - 00:09:56] Speaker: Cellulitis is very common.


[00:09:56 - 00:09:58] Speaker: That's like Mercer, right?


[00:09:58 - 00:10:00] Speaker: Cellulitis. It's not like Marissa.


[00:10:00 - 00:10:01] Speaker: You can you can interrupt


[00:10:03 - 00:10:05] Speaker: it. No.


[00:10:05 - 00:10:07] Speaker: There you go.


[00:10:07 - 00:10:08] Speaker: You could get that, right.


[00:10:08 - 00:10:10] Speaker: Yeah, I'm sure that's
I got to be a byproduct.


[00:10:10 - 00:10:13] Speaker: But I would say the direct result
would be, you know, like,


[00:10:13 - 00:10:17] Speaker: just you're generally unwell,
your primary infection, you're immune.


[00:10:18 - 00:10:20] Speaker: Right. And then you need to be on


[00:10:20 - 00:10:22] Speaker: the antibiotics,
which is generally a hospital stay.


[00:10:22 - 00:10:25] Speaker: So we're paying for all of these things
like I used to encounter.


[00:10:25 - 00:10:27] Speaker: Well, why should we pay for that.
And we already are.


[00:10:27 - 00:10:30] Speaker: And it's going to be much more cost
effective to cover these garments.


[00:10:30 - 00:10:31] Speaker: And this is where it hit.


[00:10:31 - 00:10:34] Speaker: To answer your question,
which I haven't answered yet,


[00:10:34 - 00:10:36] Speaker: if we, the taxpayers are saving money,


[00:10:36 - 00:10:38] Speaker: there's an industry
that's about to lose money.


[00:10:38 - 00:10:41] Speaker: And in this case, well, yeah, right.


[00:10:41 - 00:10:45] Speaker: So we were, you know, going on about,
you know, this is


[00:10:45 - 00:10:47] Speaker: this is the care that we need.
This is why it makes sense financially.


[00:10:47 - 00:10:50] Speaker: This is, you know, why
it makes sense emotionally.


[00:10:50 - 00:10:52] Speaker: Like it
depended on what rep we were talking to.


[00:10:52 - 00:10:53] Speaker: What strings we. Sure.


[00:10:53 - 00:10:55] Speaker: Because they were all accurate. Right. But


[00:10:57 - 00:10:59] Speaker: like the health care
industry stood to lose a lot of money.


[00:10:59 - 00:11:01] Speaker: Well, that was like really
what we went up against.


[00:11:01 - 00:11:05] Speaker: It's like it's the reason
why they'll never cure cancer, right?


[00:11:06 - 00:11:07] Speaker: It's the it's the Chris Rock joke.


[00:11:07 - 00:11:09] Speaker: It's like there's no money in the
in the cure.


[00:11:09 - 00:11:11] Speaker: There's money in the treatment.


[00:11:11 - 00:11:14] Speaker: Basinski, do you know about him in Texas
with, the Antonio.


[00:11:15 - 00:11:18] Speaker: No, no no no, no, I'll tell you about,
it's a while that that


[00:11:18 - 00:11:20] Speaker: what they did to him, but. Yeah. Carry on.


[00:11:20 - 00:11:22] Speaker: But yeah. The most supported bill.


[00:11:22 - 00:11:23] Speaker: Most supported health.


[00:11:23 - 00:11:26] Speaker: Who brought it? Who brought it forward?


[00:11:26 - 00:11:29] Speaker: There is a woman in North Carolina,
and her name is Heather Ferguson.


[00:11:30 - 00:11:34] Speaker: And I owe her everything
because we didn't know what my boys had.


[00:11:35 - 00:11:38] Speaker: And when we finally got a diagnosis,
we were told that there was no treatment.


[00:11:38 - 00:11:41] Speaker: They were preparing me for all kinds
of all kinds of things, like,


[00:11:42 - 00:11:44] Speaker: they're going to have
all of these infections.


[00:11:44 - 00:11:45] Speaker: They're going to be wheelchair bound.


[00:11:45 - 00:11:47] Speaker: They're well, it's like a torturous life.


[00:11:47 - 00:11:49] Speaker: And it was terrible. Like I have twins,
so they're my only two.


[00:11:49 - 00:11:50] Speaker: Like I didn't know any better.


[00:11:50 - 00:11:53] Speaker: And this is terrifying to hear,
especially as a mom.


[00:11:53 - 00:11:55] Speaker: Yeah. Yeah.


[00:11:55 - 00:11:58] Speaker: Well no I was 26, I wasn't,
but anyway, I can say that, you know,


[00:11:58 - 00:12:02] Speaker: I do now, I do, I can
I personally consider it young.


[00:12:02 - 00:12:03] Speaker: Yeah.


[00:12:03 - 00:12:06] Speaker: You're out now that I'm in my 40s,
26, is very young.


[00:12:06 - 00:12:06] Speaker: Yeah.


[00:12:06 - 00:12:10] Speaker: So they just didn't really know about it.


[00:12:10 - 00:12:13] Speaker: And it's very rare in pediatric patients.


[00:12:13 - 00:12:15] Speaker: It's even more rare in infants.


[00:12:15 - 00:12:18] Speaker: So like I hit the jackpot.
My twins are not identical.


[00:12:18 - 00:12:20] Speaker: So, like, there could have been a chance
that one of them had it.


[00:12:20 - 00:12:22] Speaker: The other one didn't.
That is not what happened.


[00:12:22 - 00:12:27] Speaker: But so here we have this and,
this this woman and her son had it.


[00:12:27 - 00:12:30] Speaker: She also has twins.
Only one of them has it. And


[00:12:31 - 00:12:34] Speaker: the garments were covered for him
up to a certain point.


[00:12:34 - 00:12:37] Speaker: And then all of a sudden
she had to start fighting them for it.


[00:12:37 - 00:12:40] Speaker: And she did appeal after appeal,
and she eventually won


[00:12:40 - 00:12:41] Speaker: against her private insurance.


[00:12:41 - 00:12:44] Speaker: But that caused her to look around
and say, well,


[00:12:44 - 00:12:47] Speaker: my son can't possibly
be the only one, right?


[00:12:47 - 00:12:51] Speaker: She had brought it to her
state legislature and eventually got


[00:12:51 - 00:12:52] Speaker: it passed there.


[00:12:52 - 00:12:55] Speaker: And then she said to herself,


[00:12:55 - 00:12:58] Speaker: I can't count on my son always wanting
to live here in North Carolina.


[00:12:59 - 00:13:00] Speaker: Maybe he's going to want to move.


[00:13:00 - 00:13:02] Speaker: And then what? He doesn't have coverage.


[00:13:02 - 00:13:04] Speaker: So she went to her representative
at the time, and I'm sorry,


[00:13:04 - 00:13:07] Speaker: I can't remember his name
because you're talking over a decade ago.


[00:13:08 - 00:13:09] Speaker: And also, he wasn't my


[00:13:09 - 00:13:12] Speaker: representative
and I hadn't been paying attention.


[00:13:12 - 00:13:15] Speaker: And he introduced it to Congress


[00:13:15 - 00:13:18] Speaker: and she found someone to introduce it
ever since. So.


[00:13:19 - 00:13:20] Speaker: And they just won't bring it to the floor.


[00:13:20 - 00:13:22] Speaker: Well. Oh, no. Speed up the story.


[00:13:22 - 00:13:23] Speaker: A little bit of the story.


[00:13:23 - 00:13:25] Speaker: Ten years later, we got it passed.


[00:13:25 - 00:13:27] Speaker: Yeah, for ten years.


[00:13:27 - 00:13:30] Speaker: What an angel of that woman is. She is.


[00:13:30 - 00:13:33] Speaker: She gave me more information
in one phone call.


[00:13:33 - 00:13:35] Speaker: And she's not your rep.


[00:13:35 - 00:13:36] Speaker: She's not a rep at all.


[00:13:36 - 00:13:37] Speaker: She's a regular person.


[00:13:37 - 00:13:39] Speaker: She a multiple man is an advocate.


[00:13:39 - 00:13:43] Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So.


[00:13:45 - 00:13:47] Speaker: So that was, you know,
you and I were talking before


[00:13:47 - 00:13:49] Speaker: everybody got here about, like.


[00:13:49 - 00:13:51] Speaker: And that we're not getting into identity
politics.


[00:13:51 - 00:13:54] Speaker: I'm just talking about
me to give us some sort of,


[00:13:56 - 00:13:58] Speaker: That was the power of the


[00:13:58 - 00:14:01] Speaker: people was something I forgot,
and I don't know how I forgot it.


[00:14:02 - 00:14:03] Speaker: That's why I did that.


[00:14:03 - 00:14:05] Speaker: Our campaign is here
to remind people of that.


[00:14:05 - 00:14:08] Speaker: Yeah. So


[00:14:08 - 00:14:10] Speaker: after this, after


[00:14:10 - 00:14:13] Speaker: you go through this and and look,
I know, like, I know a mom


[00:14:13 - 00:14:17] Speaker: that tried to get a bill passed
the distracted driving bill, NPA.


[00:14:17 - 00:14:19] Speaker: That's the one I just got through.


[00:14:19 - 00:14:22] Speaker: Yep. Eileen Miller yeah,


[00:14:22 - 00:14:22] Speaker: yeah.


[00:14:22 - 00:14:25] Speaker: She was fighting that since like 2012.


[00:14:25 - 00:14:27] Speaker: And I've had her and Senator
Rosemary Brown on to talk about it


[00:14:27 - 00:14:32] Speaker: and like just just the hassle
of doing something common sense.


[00:14:33 - 00:14:36] Speaker: And then I'm hoping I'm hoping
to get them back on to talk about it.


[00:14:36 - 00:14:37] Speaker: We just haven't


[00:14:37 - 00:14:40] Speaker: I really haven't been pursuing it
about the distracted driving shit.


[00:14:40 - 00:14:44] Speaker: So but the stuff that was going on
behind the scenes and the people


[00:14:44 - 00:14:47] Speaker: who would be against it and the reasons
they were against it baffled me.


[00:14:47 - 00:14:49] Speaker: It was insane.


[00:14:50 - 00:14:52] Speaker: Absolutely nothing to do with the subject.


[00:14:52 - 00:14:55] Speaker: They didn't want to pass it because
at one point, because it seemed racist.


[00:14:56 - 00:14:59] Speaker: So that became a thing
and, you know, gone.


[00:14:59 - 00:15:02] Speaker: So stands on things.


[00:15:02 - 00:15:05] Speaker: They it's not it's and you don't know
who gets you know, you don't know who.


[00:15:05 - 00:15:08] Speaker: That's why I like Jamie Walsh
so much because, you know,


[00:15:09 - 00:15:11] Speaker: he didn't take a dollar from anybody.


[00:15:11 - 00:15:14] Speaker: He did it on his own. He's beholden to 
nobody.


[00:15:14 - 00:15:16] Speaker: The only people he's beholden
to are the people he represents.


[00:15:16 - 00:15:19] Speaker: And I think I don't care, Democrat
or Republican.


[00:15:19 - 00:15:20] Speaker: That should be the way it is.


[00:15:20 - 00:15:21] Speaker: You know, Jamie said to me,


[00:15:21 - 00:15:26] Speaker: Jamie said to me one day, which
which I thought was pretty interesting


[00:15:26 - 00:15:28] Speaker: because I always thought
like he was a hardcore like


[00:15:29 - 00:15:30] Speaker: Republican America.


[00:15:30 - 00:15:34] Speaker: First thing he goes, sometimes
you have to vote against the party


[00:15:34 - 00:15:36] Speaker: because it'll help
the people that you represent,


[00:15:36 - 00:15:38] Speaker: and they get really mad at you about that.


[00:15:38 - 00:15:42] Speaker: Oh, it's so much about bringing
and it's about integrity over obedience.


[00:15:42 - 00:15:43] Speaker: Sure.


[00:15:43 - 00:15:47] Speaker: And like that mentality of you
have to fall in line no matter who vote.


[00:15:47 - 00:15:51] Speaker: Blue or red is such
to me is just propaganda.


[00:15:51 - 00:15:54] Speaker: It's literally it's, there's
if you don't do that,


[00:15:54 - 00:15:57] Speaker: you want to vote for people
that are representing you policy.


[00:15:57 - 00:15:57] Speaker: Sure.


[00:15:57 - 00:16:00] Speaker: If this isn't a football team,
this isn't I.


[00:16:00 - 00:16:02] Speaker: So I've said this before, and I think,


[00:16:02 - 00:16:04] Speaker: I mean, this would be the first time
you guys hear from me, but


[00:16:04 - 00:16:08] Speaker: I thought everything got real squirrely
when they got rid of daytime soap operas.


[00:16:08 - 00:16:12] Speaker: And now we've turned
all these politicians and and


[00:16:13 - 00:16:16] Speaker: topics into the new daytime soap opera.


[00:16:16 - 00:16:17] Speaker: It's like.


[00:16:17 - 00:16:18] Speaker: And this isn't like this.


[00:16:18 - 00:16:20] Speaker: This isn't like a women thing.


[00:16:20 - 00:16:24] Speaker: This is like like my grandmother,
you know, she had her shows.


[00:16:24 - 00:16:27] Speaker: She knew everything that was going
on, didn't give a damn about the news.


[00:16:28 - 00:16:31] Speaker: And then once you get rid of daytime
soaps, all those people now


[00:16:32 - 00:16:35] Speaker: are now watching Fox, MSNBC, CNN,


[00:16:35 - 00:16:38] Speaker: and then and then they got cell phones.


[00:16:38 - 00:16:40] Speaker: So now,
like those people who didn't care about


[00:16:40 - 00:16:44] Speaker: politics is the only thing
they care about, because literally


[00:16:44 - 00:16:47] Speaker: it's the it's
probably the greatest TV show on earth.


[00:16:47 - 00:16:48] Speaker: And they don't know the difference.


[00:16:48 - 00:16:51] Speaker: We we start treating these elected,


[00:16:51 - 00:16:54] Speaker: elected representatives,
not as people but as characters.


[00:16:54 - 00:17:01] Speaker: And it gets really strange when you can't
separate the human from the character,


[00:17:01 - 00:17:02] Speaker: you know, because if everybody treated


[00:17:02 - 00:17:05] Speaker: Tom Hanks like Forrest Gump,
it would be a real weird, weird world.


[00:17:05 - 00:17:07] Speaker: And this is kind of like what we're doing.


[00:17:07 - 00:17:10] Speaker: So we, like the media, creates
heroes and villains.


[00:17:10 - 00:17:12] Speaker: They create the topics
that they want to go over.


[00:17:12 - 00:17:17] Speaker: They also tell you the things that they
their investment or whoever cares.


[00:17:17 - 00:17:18] Speaker: Whoever pays their paychecks


[00:17:19 - 00:17:21] Speaker: want them to talk about instead of


[00:17:21 - 00:17:26] Speaker: like the real stuff that like, you know,
there's good and bad with social media.


[00:17:26 - 00:17:29] Speaker: Social media is a good thing
because it'll let you see everything.


[00:17:29 - 00:17:32] Speaker: It's also bad because it'll let
you see everything and you don't know.


[00:17:32 - 00:17:37] Speaker: And people, you know, a lot of people
don't have the discernment of like,


[00:17:37 - 00:17:40] Speaker: what is propaganda and what is truth?


[00:17:40 - 00:17:43] Speaker: And it's like the old Lewis Black joke
where he goes, it's not old.


[00:17:43 - 00:17:47] Speaker: I watch something on the news,
then they talk about it for ten minutes,


[00:17:48 - 00:17:49] Speaker: telling me I didn't see what I saw.


[00:17:49 - 00:17:52] Speaker: And then by the end of it,
I have no idea what I saw. Yeah.


[00:17:52 - 00:17:55] Speaker: And now we're all confused about health
care,


[00:17:56 - 00:17:59] Speaker: data centers, politics, geopolitics.


[00:17:59 - 00:18:02] Speaker: Whether or not
we should talk to each other


[00:18:03 - 00:18:08] Speaker: is a big thing that, like,
if you don't agree with the one thing,


[00:18:08 - 00:18:11] Speaker: therefore you must be the other thing,
and the other thing is evil.


[00:18:11 - 00:18:14] Speaker: And that's been the thing
that has really bothered me over like


[00:18:14 - 00:18:15] Speaker: the last five years.


[00:18:16 - 00:18:18] Speaker: And yeah, I'll bring it up.


[00:18:18 - 00:18:21] Speaker: But yeah, we were I would
I resigned from the Democratic Party


[00:18:21 - 00:18:25] Speaker: because they were going to come after me
and furnace fighting.


[00:18:25 - 00:18:28] Speaker: Why are they going to come after you?


[00:18:28 - 00:18:29] Speaker: Because apparently I did.


[00:18:29 - 00:18:32] Speaker: Let's get into it.


[00:18:32 - 00:18:33] Speaker: Right. Here's the thing.


[00:18:33 - 00:18:37] Speaker: I was running a campaign cause, like,
you don't care if I say I don't.


[00:18:37 - 00:18:38] Speaker: I don't know who
I I'm. I'm up in Lackawanna.


[00:18:38 - 00:18:40] Speaker: I have no idea who these people are.


[00:18:40 - 00:18:42] Speaker: He ran for county council.
He did win. He's a great guy.


[00:18:42 - 00:18:43] Speaker: Steve is wonderful.


[00:18:43 - 00:18:47] Speaker: You know, so I was
I was a part of his campaign,


[00:18:47 - 00:18:51] Speaker: and I do a lot of, like, the data, like
the tech stuff on the nerdy stuff. And,


[00:18:52 - 00:18:53] Speaker: he was


[00:18:53 - 00:18:56] Speaker: endorsed by the FBI and, 
chief of police for Dallas,


[00:18:56 - 00:18:58] Speaker: which is the second safest city
in Pennsylvania.


[00:18:58 - 00:18:59] Speaker: Shout out to Doug Hagans for that.


[00:18:59 - 00:19:02] Speaker: Did not know that, was running
a supervisor, but he's a Republican.


[00:19:03 - 00:19:05] Speaker: His opponent.
And I'm. This is all me talking.


[00:19:05 - 00:19:06] Speaker: This is a foreign campaign.


[00:19:06 - 00:19:08] Speaker: Is it just me and Shannon and I,


[00:19:08 - 00:19:11] Speaker: I'm a little different
than the campaigns against the, But.


[00:19:12 - 00:19:13] Speaker: Oh, no. You have your own thoughts?


[00:19:13 - 00:19:15] Speaker: Oh, no. Oh, no.


[00:19:15 - 00:19:17] Speaker: But Lindsey's a really.


[00:19:17 - 00:19:19] Speaker: She's not for the people.
She's for making money.


[00:19:19 - 00:19:21] Speaker: She's not a good egg. Right. And,
but Doug is.


[00:19:21 - 00:19:24] Speaker: And she was the Democrat whose Republican


[00:19:25 - 00:19:25] Speaker: Doug supported.


[00:19:25 - 00:19:28] Speaker: Steve, I sent out a text
on, you know, with Steve permission,


[00:19:28 - 00:19:32] Speaker: we went over campaign strategy and, like,
what we're cool with or not, is saying,


[00:19:32 - 00:19:35] Speaker: like, hey, you know,
look at both parties working together


[00:19:35 - 00:19:37] Speaker: because we're not trying to fit
in this divide narrative. Right.


[00:19:37 - 00:19:38] Speaker: Which I see people
that some people are for the people.


[00:19:38 - 00:19:40] Speaker: Some people are just for themselves. Yeah.


[00:19:40 - 00:19:42] Speaker: And so like, this was a message of like,


[00:19:42 - 00:19:45] Speaker: this is when people work for people with
this looks like across party lines.


[00:19:45 - 00:19:49] Speaker: Duggins who's awesome, and Steve Garza,
who's awesome ones, Republican


[00:19:49 - 00:19:50] Speaker: ones Democrat,


[00:19:51 - 00:19:51] Speaker: the local party.


[00:19:51 - 00:19:52] Speaker: This isn't state or federal.


[00:19:52 - 00:19:54] Speaker: The local party got mad about it


[00:19:54 - 00:19:57] Speaker: and said that I breached data contract,
which isn't true.


[00:19:57 - 00:19:59] Speaker: And they wanted to put me
through the ringer where they were.


[00:19:59 - 00:20:00] Speaker: So was.


[00:20:00 - 00:20:01] Speaker: And let me just


[00:20:01 - 00:20:05] Speaker: guess, here was their claim that, like,
you may have taken some sort of list


[00:20:05 - 00:20:09] Speaker: that was from the Democrats
and you used it to help a Republican. Yes.


[00:20:09 - 00:20:09] Speaker: Okay.


[00:20:09 - 00:20:12] Speaker: But that's not that's not really
what goes on.


[00:20:12 - 00:20:15] Speaker: Right. Like, well, that's
why I said that's what they claimed. Yeah.


[00:20:15 - 00:20:18] Speaker: Because but you see on federal state level
all the time people like you say like


[00:20:18 - 00:20:19] Speaker: I mean, look at her.


[00:20:19 - 00:20:22] Speaker: She went around toward
what Republicans. Right.


[00:20:22 - 00:20:24] Speaker: Did she get kicked out of the Trump
party for it?


[00:20:24 - 00:20:26] Speaker: No, none of it makes sense.
He's double standards.


[00:20:26 - 00:20:29] Speaker: So but really, what they were saying
is that I allowed Doug to go


[00:20:29 - 00:20:32] Speaker: into the data lake
and and do this himself.


[00:20:32 - 00:20:35] Speaker: A 70 year old man died in this huge,
complex program.


[00:20:36 - 00:20:36] Speaker: None of that's true.


[00:20:36 - 00:20:40] Speaker: This was actually sent out to Republicans
and independents in the area


[00:20:40 - 00:20:43] Speaker: to further Steve's reach
to help him with the swing vote.


[00:20:44 - 00:20:46] Speaker: I mean, it was all authentic.
It's all true.


[00:20:46 - 00:20:48] Speaker: He stands by what we sent out.


[00:20:48 - 00:20:49] Speaker: But that was the idea, right?


[00:20:49 - 00:20:51] Speaker: They didn't agree with that.


[00:20:51 - 00:20:54] Speaker: They said that basically,
you know, we're, not true.


[00:20:54 - 00:20:55] Speaker: I'm not a true Democrat.


[00:20:55 - 00:20:57] Speaker: And I said, well, that's facts like, I'm
not gonna argue that.


[00:20:57 - 00:20:59] Speaker: Like, I'm not for the party. I'm for.


[00:20:59 - 00:21:01] Speaker: And you're on the committee. Right?
Okay. Keep going.


[00:21:01 - 00:21:02] Speaker: And that the executive committee,
she's on that.


[00:21:02 - 00:21:05] Speaker: I was just in the 1/20 like the like.


[00:21:05 - 00:21:06] Speaker: Yeah, yeah.


[00:21:06 - 00:21:08] Speaker: So I just


[00:21:08 - 00:21:11] Speaker: said, well, I'm going to resign
because this is all just a kangaroo court.


[00:21:11 - 00:21:14] Speaker: You want me to come in
and do this whole thing for you,


[00:21:14 - 00:21:16] Speaker: like a showcase or acknowledge
I did something wrong


[00:21:16 - 00:21:19] Speaker: and I feel like I like a real trial,
but it was the.


[00:21:19 - 00:21:20] Speaker: It's.


[00:21:20 - 00:21:23] Speaker: It's strange, the power
they think they have to get right.


[00:21:23 - 00:21:25] Speaker: I, I knew I was going to get her fired up.


[00:21:25 - 00:21:27] Speaker: I don't know how I knew it,
but it's going to have other


[00:21:27 - 00:21:29] Speaker: another dumb running
and I'm going to put this all out there


[00:21:29 - 00:21:31] Speaker: because I don't care is me doing it.


[00:21:31 - 00:21:33] Speaker: Cruz Bellis,
who is running for county council.


[00:21:33 - 00:21:35] Speaker: I beef with me personally for some reason.


[00:21:35 - 00:21:38] Speaker: He didn't like me,
him and his campaign manager. So they were


[00:21:40 - 00:21:42] Speaker: pulled ahead in
the numbers and that Kristen do as well.


[00:21:42 - 00:21:43] Speaker: Steve.


[00:21:43 - 00:21:46] Speaker: So he started sending text out
that the same time, right?


[00:21:46 - 00:21:47] Speaker: He was like, oh, what's going on?


[00:21:47 - 00:21:49] Speaker: And I'm like, dude, like, please stop.


[00:21:49 - 00:21:50] Speaker: You're so fatty.


[00:21:50 - 00:21:50] Speaker: Yeah. Hi.


[00:21:50 - 00:21:55] Speaker: This is him and his campaign manager
are the ones that brought the charges


[00:21:55 - 00:21:56] Speaker: up against us.


[00:21:56 - 00:21:59] Speaker: They were charges like,
oh, like from the from the party.


[00:21:59 - 00:22:01] Speaker: Oh, okay. Okay.


[00:22:01 - 00:22:03] Speaker: Pseudo world
that they think they're relevant.


[00:22:03 - 00:22:06] Speaker: Yeah. So, like, you're off the island.


[00:22:06 - 00:22:09] Speaker: Yes. Okay.


[00:22:09 - 00:22:10] Speaker: Okay. Cool.


[00:22:10 - 00:22:12] Speaker: Yeah. Okay, I guess I go home. All right.


[00:22:12 - 00:22:16] Speaker: So, they brought the charges up,
and then they wanted us to have hearings


[00:22:16 - 00:22:18] Speaker: based on these charges. Now, mind you,
they're not on the executive committee.


[00:22:18 - 00:22:21] Speaker: There's regular people coming and saying,
or they did some I don't like.


[00:22:22 - 00:22:27] Speaker: And then Chris Bell has had his mother
write a letter basing everything around


[00:22:27 - 00:22:30] Speaker: her experience saying that, you know,


[00:22:30 - 00:22:32] Speaker: like Vern was stumping
for a Republican at the polls.


[00:22:32 - 00:22:35] Speaker: None of that. Is this
what got you in trouble?


[00:22:35 - 00:22:36] Speaker: Okay. Keep going.


[00:22:36 - 00:22:39] Speaker: And sharing a Facebook
post of Steve and Doug together.


[00:22:39 - 00:22:42] Speaker: Shame on you on her personal private page.


[00:22:42 - 00:22:44] Speaker: Shame on you.


[00:22:44 - 00:22:47] Speaker: And I was like, yeah. And yeah,


[00:22:48 - 00:22:51] Speaker: it's a this is what it looks like
when you choose people over party.


[00:22:51 - 00:22:52] Speaker: Yeah.


[00:22:52 - 00:22:55] Speaker: And I was censured
for sitting for the people not the party.


[00:22:55 - 00:22:58] Speaker: Wait, they censored you? Yeah.


[00:22:58 - 00:22:58] Speaker: Oh yeah.


[00:22:58 - 00:23:01] Speaker: They voted to censure me,
but I appealed it because


[00:23:02 - 00:23:05] Speaker: I didn't outright support him.


[00:23:05 - 00:23:09] Speaker: It isn't that I wouldn't
chastise denounce him.


[00:23:09 - 00:23:11] Speaker: Now, this man, he was our chief of police.


[00:23:11 - 00:23:12] Speaker: He still is. He's about to retire.


[00:23:12 - 00:23:15] Speaker: But what other people don't realize
is that.


[00:23:15 - 00:23:17] Speaker: Man, look three doors down from me
for nine years.


[00:23:17 - 00:23:19] Speaker: I know you guys are friends.


[00:23:19 - 00:23:24] Speaker: Yeah, and like, there were other people
who saw me on election day.


[00:23:24 - 00:23:26] Speaker: Even other committee members that were
like, no, we didn't hear you say that.


[00:23:26 - 00:23:29] Speaker: But the party didn't want to hear that.


[00:23:29 - 00:23:31] Speaker: They just wanted to listen
to one man's tantrum.


[00:23:31 - 00:23:33] Speaker: And when he didn't get what he wanted,
he cried to his mommy to. Right?


[00:23:33 - 00:23:35] Speaker: I mean, no, like it was gym class. Yes.


[00:23:35 - 00:23:39] Speaker: Do you do you think a lot of times
they behave in this way because they it


[00:23:39 - 00:23:42] Speaker: like in the back of their minds,
a lot of them are like,


[00:23:42 - 00:23:43] Speaker: I just can't deal with this.


[00:23:43 - 00:23:45] Speaker: I think it's performative.


[00:23:45 - 00:23:47] Speaker: I think it's like this need like,
all right.


[00:23:47 - 00:23:48] Speaker: So like I have this.


[00:23:48 - 00:23:51] Speaker: It's very strange how like,
most of politics is performative.


[00:23:52 - 00:23:54] Speaker: It's it's insulting to be honest.
It doesn't have to be.


[00:23:54 - 00:23:55] Speaker: Not at all.


[00:23:55 - 00:23:58] Speaker: And I think that that's what is it
to feel good to have self relevant


[00:23:58 - 00:24:00] Speaker: and to seem important,
you know what I mean?


[00:24:00 - 00:24:04] Speaker: And to me, they take that and they use
like they abuse their own power


[00:24:04 - 00:24:07] Speaker: to kind of foster this huge image


[00:24:07 - 00:24:10] Speaker: of themselves as ego
because they want to feel so relevant.


[00:24:10 - 00:24:14] Speaker: Well, so like I'm, I'm, I'm a Republican
up, up here in Lackawanna County.


[00:24:14 - 00:24:17] Speaker: I didn't become a Republican
till October of 2020.


[00:24:17 - 00:24:21] Speaker: But since then, like I've said, to like,
you know, like because you have like


[00:24:21 - 00:24:24] Speaker: sometimes people you,
you like run against each other,


[00:24:25 - 00:24:28] Speaker: some sometimes like that happens
and that's okay.


[00:24:28 - 00:24:29] Speaker: And I'm, I'm for it.


[00:24:29 - 00:24:32] Speaker: I'm I'm not I'm for it. I'm not for it.


[00:24:32 - 00:24:35] Speaker: But like, I've had to yell at people.


[00:24:35 - 00:24:37] Speaker: I didn't yell at them.


[00:24:37 - 00:24:40] Speaker: I keep saying, like, I keep
I keep making myself bigger than I am.


[00:24:40 - 00:24:42] Speaker: And I have to keep correcting myself
because I don't know how to be dishonest.


[00:24:44 - 00:24:45] Speaker: But I've been like that.


[00:24:45 - 00:24:47] Speaker: Like people are allowed to support


[00:24:47 - 00:24:49] Speaker: whoever the hell they want to support,
and you can't.


[00:24:49 - 00:24:52] Speaker: Like, you either have freedom of speech
in this country or we don't.


[00:24:52 - 00:24:56] Speaker: And and if and if, if,
if the party of free speech is, is coming


[00:24:56 - 00:24:59] Speaker: after people for practicing their free
speech, like, what are you doing?


[00:25:00 - 00:25:02] Speaker: And why are we backing
someone that we know is corrupt?


[00:25:02 - 00:25:06] Speaker: Like, well, they'll say that there's a,
there's say that there wasn't a what?


[00:25:06 - 00:25:07] Speaker: I mean,


[00:25:07 - 00:25:12] Speaker: so like the corruption thing is like,
how do you know, like campaign finance.


[00:25:12 - 00:25:16] Speaker: So if you look at campaign finance
but who's like so okay, I mean I'm


[00:25:16 - 00:25:18] Speaker: so I just want to like


[00:25:18 - 00:25:21] Speaker: part of what I do here
is try to make sure everything's clear


[00:25:21 - 00:25:25] Speaker: so that like, there's
no no like they can't take my,


[00:25:25 - 00:25:29] Speaker: our words and say so that's
so that's my point is that like


[00:25:30 - 00:25:32] Speaker: a lot of the times, a lot of us


[00:25:32 - 00:25:35] Speaker: find corruption and a lot of the times


[00:25:35 - 00:25:39] Speaker: we try to expose it,
and a lot of the times we tell


[00:25:39 - 00:25:42] Speaker: people who can do something about it
and they do nothing, right?


[00:25:42 - 00:25:43] Speaker: Yeah. And we did that.


[00:25:43 - 00:25:48] Speaker: I went to see we were lucky,
like, our chair, vice chair at the time,


[00:25:48 - 00:25:51] Speaker: Maria Velez, who also resigned
due to this whole debacle.


[00:25:52 - 00:25:55] Speaker: Oh, this started a war in that party.


[00:25:55 - 00:25:57] Speaker: Okay, so but they're amazing, right?


[00:25:57 - 00:26:02] Speaker: Like, so I went to them and I confided in
like, hey, this is what I unearth, right?


[00:26:02 - 00:26:06] Speaker: I was like, so she's name
only, she's being backed by Republicans,


[00:26:06 - 00:26:09] Speaker: but she's also being backed by like,
you know, not the good eggs.


[00:26:09 - 00:26:10] Speaker: Right, right.


[00:26:10 - 00:26:14] Speaker: And, and Doug is a Republican by name,
but like, the working class is backing


[00:26:14 - 00:26:15] Speaker: Doug. He's always had her back.


[00:26:15 - 00:26:17] Speaker: I mean, like,
he went to school to learn how to write.


[00:26:17 - 00:26:20] Speaker: Grant, you guys are hours in school,
and he's an amazing guy.


[00:26:20 - 00:26:22] Speaker: I said,
this is I'm going to propose, you know,


[00:26:22 - 00:26:24] Speaker: Steve
and I, you're talking about in the sector.


[00:26:24 - 00:26:26] Speaker: Where do you are you guys cool with this?


[00:26:26 - 00:26:28] Speaker: They were fine with everything.
They understood it.


[00:26:28 - 00:26:30] Speaker: They understood the assignment, right?
Yeah, yeah.


[00:26:30 - 00:26:33] Speaker: But the people that, at this time,
they have infiltrated,


[00:26:33 - 00:26:39] Speaker: like the voting mass, you know,
which would be, within the party.


[00:26:39 - 00:26:40] Speaker: Yeah, within the party.


[00:26:40 - 00:26:43] Speaker: They, they did not agree with that.


[00:26:43 - 00:26:45] Speaker: And that's how everybody got voted out.


[00:26:45 - 00:26:48] Speaker: So, like, I didn't know about any of this.


[00:26:48 - 00:26:51] Speaker: Like, I didn't know about the drama
going on to Amanda


[00:26:51 - 00:26:54] Speaker: that is not reciprocated
to the candidates.


[00:26:54 - 00:26:54] Speaker: Correct.


[00:26:54 - 00:26:57] Speaker: There's a loyalty demanded to the party.


[00:26:57 - 00:26:59] Speaker: So it's unfortunate when,


[00:27:00 - 00:27:00] Speaker: you know,


[00:27:00 - 00:27:03] Speaker: these people
just step in line to that all the time.


[00:27:03 - 00:27:06] Speaker: And so it doesn't necessarily always pain.


[00:27:06 - 00:27:10] Speaker: She tries, but I just think they
they don't they don't see that.


[00:27:10 - 00:27:14] Speaker: Well the bylaws do state
I was going to ask that the bylaws do


[00:27:14 - 00:27:17] Speaker: state
that you can't support publicly support


[00:27:18 - 00:27:20] Speaker: Republican candidate


[00:27:20 - 00:27:24] Speaker: over a duly nominated Democrat,
which is fine.


[00:27:25 - 00:27:28] Speaker: But if you're sharing a Facebook post
on a private page,


[00:27:28 - 00:27:31] Speaker: that's not saying vote for the Republican.


[00:27:31 - 00:27:35] Speaker: Or if you are just not coming out
for either candidate


[00:27:35 - 00:27:36] Speaker: because there's nothing


[00:27:36 - 00:27:39] Speaker: that explicitly says you,
you have to be all public to support them.


[00:27:39 - 00:27:39] Speaker: Yeah.


[00:27:39 - 00:27:40] Speaker: I said from the beginning,


[00:27:40 - 00:27:43] Speaker: Dallas Township has a tough choice
because they have, an incumbent


[00:27:43 - 00:27:46] Speaker: who's been there for a long time,
and then they have another community


[00:27:46 - 00:27:49] Speaker: leader
who has always had our backs, always.


[00:27:49 - 00:27:54] Speaker: And our township has consistently thanked
Doug for his service over the years.


[00:27:54 - 00:27:58] Speaker: So you know, even the board was on board
until he was a candidate.


[00:27:59 - 00:28:01] Speaker: And, you know, that's what happens.


[00:28:01 - 00:28:03] Speaker: So, you know,
and then we say this started a war.


[00:28:03 - 00:28:06] Speaker: But I think really more
it just revealed it. Yeah.


[00:28:06 - 00:28:07] Speaker: You know what.


[00:28:07 - 00:28:10] Speaker: That's probably that's probably accurate
because most of these times these


[00:28:10 - 00:28:11] Speaker: these things don't happen in a vacuum.


[00:28:11 - 00:28:14] Speaker: There's something that's been there
brewing or something for a while.


[00:28:14 - 00:28:18] Speaker: And it's just it's just a moment that
we're like and we've been fighting it.


[00:28:18 - 00:28:21] Speaker: Yeah,
I say since we've started since day one.


[00:28:21 - 00:28:23] Speaker: Because after they didn't run,


[00:28:23 - 00:28:27] Speaker: anybody and I and I stepped up,
it was extraordinarily difficult


[00:28:27 - 00:28:31] Speaker: to break into the party
to even be heard at all.


[00:28:31 - 00:28:32] Speaker: The party of inclusion. Right?


[00:28:33 - 00:28:34] Speaker: Right, right.


[00:28:34 - 00:28:34] Speaker: Yeah.


[00:28:34 - 00:28:38] Speaker: So unless you're not,
then wait, wait, a lot of people,


[00:28:38 - 00:28:42] Speaker: a lot of good people who wanted to help,
who just was like,


[00:28:42 - 00:28:46] Speaker: all right, well, after trying so hard
and you're not letting us help,


[00:28:46 - 00:28:47] Speaker: they just walked away.


[00:28:47 - 00:28:48] Speaker: What happens all the time?


[00:28:48 - 00:28:50] Speaker: Well,
you know, it's interesting that, like, I,


[00:28:50 - 00:28:53] Speaker: like I said, I was
I told you I was a Democrat up until


[00:28:53 - 00:28:55] Speaker: October 2020.


[00:28:55 - 00:28:58] Speaker: And like,
I always did work against the Republicans.


[00:28:58 - 00:29:01] Speaker: I never thought that, like,
they would let me into their camp,


[00:29:03 - 00:29:05] Speaker: open arms like they welcomed


[00:29:05 - 00:29:08] Speaker: with open arms and then like, like,
as you said, the party of inclusion.


[00:29:08 - 00:29:11] Speaker: Because even like at the time of Covid,
I was like, man, they're like,


[00:29:11 - 00:29:14] Speaker: if they're not talking to the other side,
they're really not inclusive.


[00:29:14 - 00:29:15] Speaker: Like they're being really exclusive.


[00:29:15 - 00:29:18] Speaker: And that's and that's a problem.


[00:29:18 - 00:29:21] Speaker: Our Republican Party lets everybody in.


[00:29:22 - 00:29:26] Speaker: And when I say everybody, it's
every every character from the soap


[00:29:26 - 00:29:29] Speaker: opera is in the Republican Party.


[00:29:29 - 00:29:31] Speaker: And I just
I just find that interesting that like,


[00:29:31 - 00:29:33] Speaker: I just find it interesting
that like, the party of inclusion


[00:29:34 - 00:29:35] Speaker: is actually, in


[00:29:35 - 00:29:38] Speaker: my experience,
the Republicans you vote for,


[00:29:38 - 00:29:42] Speaker: I guess for me, like is I really just
don't care about party in general.


[00:29:42 - 00:29:44] Speaker: I find that I get a mixed bag.


[00:29:44 - 00:29:47] Speaker: I guess we shouldn't,
I honestly we shouldn't, we shouldn't.


[00:29:47 - 00:29:48] Speaker: Any party. Right, right.


[00:29:48 - 00:29:49] Speaker: It shouldn't matter.


[00:29:49 - 00:29:52] Speaker: But I mean, like,
I have met Democrats or Republicans


[00:29:52 - 00:29:55] Speaker: like that are elite
that are established totally.


[00:29:56 - 00:29:59] Speaker: And then I've met, both
that are down to earth. Yep.


[00:29:59 - 00:30:00] Speaker: Roll up their sleeves.


[00:30:00 - 00:30:04] Speaker: So I guess for us, we're we're more
into the rolling up sleeve vibe, right?


[00:30:04 - 00:30:06] Speaker: Like,
like I said, integrity over obedience.


[00:30:06 - 00:30:11] Speaker: Like we're we want that class of people
like to have their voices raised.


[00:30:11 - 00:30:16] Speaker: I think I look, I'm a 90s Democrat,
and I told you it makes me a fascist.


[00:30:16 - 00:30:19] Speaker: We always talk to each other.


[00:30:19 - 00:30:21] Speaker: We always talk to each other.


[00:30:21 - 00:30:22] Speaker: And it wasn't until,


[00:30:22 - 00:30:26] Speaker: like 2012 to 2016 that it really started
going off the rails, where people weren't


[00:30:26 - 00:30:32] Speaker: allowed to talk to each other,
and I like that was such a problem for me.


[00:30:32 - 00:30:35] Speaker: Like, and if and God forbid,


[00:30:35 - 00:30:39] Speaker: you did agree with one thing
or have a discussion


[00:30:39 - 00:30:42] Speaker: with someone of the different
party, it's it's it.


[00:30:43 - 00:30:47] Speaker: You are so tarnished from that.


[00:30:47 - 00:30:49] Speaker: And like, what is that?


[00:30:49 - 00:30:51] Speaker: Why does that happen?


[00:30:51 - 00:30:55] Speaker: And that you're getting coincides
with like the rise of social media


[00:30:55 - 00:30:55] Speaker: and cellphones?


[00:30:55 - 00:30:57] Speaker: 2012 was when I got my first iPhone.


[00:30:57 - 00:30:59] Speaker: Well, I think it was
something called the Smith Month Act.


[00:30:59 - 00:31:02] Speaker: But what do I know? Maybe.


[00:31:02 - 00:31:04] Speaker: But I just think that it allowed people
to start.


[00:31:04 - 00:31:07] Speaker: Everybody
that had an opinion gave their opinion.


[00:31:07 - 00:31:10] Speaker: Well, and
and then we started to not be able to talk


[00:31:10 - 00:31:13] Speaker: to each other in public because we saw
what our friend post online.


[00:31:13 - 00:31:16] Speaker: And we were so mad, so furious.


[00:31:16 - 00:31:18] Speaker: And I just think it started this divide.


[00:31:18 - 00:31:21] Speaker: Yeah. Usually
it happened at the Beer party.


[00:31:21 - 00:31:24] Speaker: Oh, Rob said the thing and then everyone
forgot about it by the morning.


[00:31:24 - 00:31:29] Speaker: And now it's like enshrined in immortality
because of social media.


[00:31:29 - 00:31:31] Speaker: Both sides
have like almost like a purity test.


[00:31:31 - 00:31:31] Speaker: Right.


[00:31:31 - 00:31:34] Speaker: And the Republicans
really have a purity test.


[00:31:34 - 00:31:35] Speaker: That pisses me off so much.


[00:31:36 - 00:31:39] Speaker: Yep. So, like,
I mean, I think when you're so entrenched


[00:31:39 - 00:31:42] Speaker: in both parties,
like red pill or blue pill,


[00:31:42 - 00:31:45] Speaker: that it becomes part of your identity,
and to lose that and all your friends,


[00:31:45 - 00:31:47] Speaker: it becomes almost an existential crisis
at that point.


[00:31:47 - 00:31:49] Speaker: You know what I mean?


[00:31:49 - 00:31:50] Speaker: Well, yeah, you're afraid to differ.


[00:31:50 - 00:31:54] Speaker: And I think creating space for people
that are kind of like, hey, you know what?


[00:31:54 - 00:31:57] Speaker: I was once, you know,
kind of taking everything hook and sinker,


[00:31:57 - 00:32:00] Speaker: but now I'm starting to think like, no,
like I don't want to be a part of that.


[00:32:00 - 00:32:02] Speaker: I, I kind of a mixed bag.


[00:32:02 - 00:32:05] Speaker: Well, I don't have to agree with you,
but I'll listen to you.


[00:32:05 - 00:32:06] Speaker: Yeah, yeah.


[00:32:06 - 00:32:11] Speaker: Which is, which is like what what how much
effort do you have to put in to do that?


[00:32:11 - 00:32:12] Speaker: Like none. Not


[00:32:14 - 00:32:16] Speaker: like anyone married.


[00:32:16 - 00:32:17] Speaker: I mean,


[00:32:17 - 00:32:19] Speaker: I'm not switching parties.


[00:32:19 - 00:32:22] Speaker: Like, I want to be clear
that a lot of what we are experiencing


[00:32:22 - 00:32:23] Speaker: is happening at the county level.


[00:32:23 - 00:32:25] Speaker: Not everyone is like this.


[00:32:25 - 00:32:27] Speaker: I'm certainly not. You're not.


[00:32:27 - 00:32:29] Speaker: But the problem is, I have it.


[00:32:29 - 00:32:32] Speaker: Yeah, but see,
but a lot of a lot of county


[00:32:32 - 00:32:35] Speaker: I think a lot of county parties
are like this and actually abuse of power.


[00:32:35 - 00:32:36] Speaker: Right.


[00:32:36 - 00:32:39] Speaker: Like dude, like I don't know if it's a,
you know what it is. It's.


[00:32:39 - 00:32:41] Speaker: Yeah, but it's like it's
like the cool kids table at lunch.


[00:32:41 - 00:32:41] Speaker: You know what?


[00:32:41 - 00:32:44] Speaker: I mean? Like,
I like I describe people around here.


[00:32:44 - 00:32:46] Speaker: It's like so in Lackawanna County,


[00:32:46 - 00:32:49] Speaker: the Democrats have had so like
they've had power for so long, right,


[00:32:50 - 00:32:52] Speaker: that the Republicans are kind of like,


[00:32:52 - 00:32:54] Speaker: what's it, Munchausen syndrome
or something like that?


[00:32:54 - 00:32:57] Speaker: We start to identify with your captors,
like Stockholm.


[00:32:57 - 00:32:58] Speaker: Sorry, Munchausen.


[00:32:58 - 00:32:59] Speaker: Totally different.


[00:32:59 - 00:33:02] Speaker: Get sick for attention or that.


[00:33:02 - 00:33:04] Speaker: So, so.


[00:33:04 - 00:33:08] Speaker: But like the Republicans, like, it seems
like they don't want to fight for it.


[00:33:08 - 00:33:12] Speaker: They just want to be invited to the cool
kids table and just kind of hang out


[00:33:12 - 00:33:15] Speaker: and not be, like, bullied and like,
it seems like that's the only


[00:33:15 - 00:33:19] Speaker: brass ring that they're going
for, in my experience, in my view.


[00:33:19 - 00:33:22] Speaker: So and I don't think I don't think
either party


[00:33:22 - 00:33:24] Speaker: should have any power over a county.


[00:33:24 - 00:33:27] Speaker: I don't think like,
why is it that the only thing


[00:33:27 - 00:33:30] Speaker: Democrats and Republicans agree on
is that we shouldn't have open primaries?


[00:33:30 - 00:33:32] Speaker: I don't know where she's actually at.


[00:33:32 - 00:33:33] Speaker: Just one of her huge talking


[00:33:33 - 00:33:36] Speaker: points is opening primaries,
because many people I know.


[00:33:36 - 00:33:38] Speaker: What's the 24 states that do it?


[00:33:38 - 00:33:40] Speaker: Oh no. 939


[00:33:40 - 00:33:44] Speaker: because oh no, you need like
you need 26 states to have a,


[00:33:44 - 00:33:48] Speaker: a constitutional convention or something
as a state thing.


[00:33:49 - 00:33:52] Speaker: We could pass this at the state level
and they won't do it.


[00:33:52 - 00:33:53] Speaker: They will never do it.


[00:33:53 - 00:33:57] Speaker: Bill introduced every session
that has huge bipartisan support


[00:33:57 - 00:33:59] Speaker: to open up our primaries.


[00:33:59 - 00:34:03] Speaker: And it doesn't matter because
it never gets to the floor for a vote. I


[00:34:04 - 00:34:07] Speaker: because it's but yeah, the


[00:34:08 - 00:34:08] Speaker: what.


[00:34:08 - 00:34:09] Speaker: Yeah yeah yeah.


[00:34:09 - 00:34:12] Speaker: It's like it's rules reform. Yeah.


[00:34:12 - 00:34:14] Speaker: Well I saw I saw it. Yeah.


[00:34:14 - 00:34:16] Speaker: The rules reform is a big thing because.


[00:34:16 - 00:34:21] Speaker: But as far as the primaries go, you just
you have the, the furthest of your left


[00:34:21 - 00:34:24] Speaker: and your furthest of the right
making it easy to get on the ballot.


[00:34:24 - 00:34:26] Speaker: And that's just a third parties.


[00:34:26 - 00:34:29] Speaker: It's almost impossible
because the way next to impossible.


[00:34:30 - 00:34:30] Speaker: Right.


[00:34:30 - 00:34:33] Speaker: They don't be is,
the working family party has infiltrated


[00:34:33 - 00:34:36] Speaker: down in Philly
and has taken seats away from them.


[00:34:36 - 00:34:37] Speaker: I'm just pointing that out.


[00:34:37 - 00:34:40] Speaker: They they've actually are starting to make
a viable third party in Pennsylvania.


[00:34:42 - 00:34:46] Speaker: I you know, it's
literally David and Goliath.


[00:34:46 - 00:34:47] Speaker: Goliath 100.


[00:34:47 - 00:34:47] Speaker: Oh, yeah.


[00:34:47 - 00:34:51] Speaker: I mean, you're speaking to
you know, I don't like so so I mean,


[00:34:52 - 00:34:54] Speaker: I mean, it's good, it's it's good.


[00:34:54 - 00:34:57] Speaker: I mean probably like 35,000ft view.


[00:34:57 - 00:34:57] Speaker: It would look like that.


[00:34:57 - 00:34:59] Speaker: None of us in this room agree on anything,


[00:34:59 - 00:35:02] Speaker: but I think that, like,
there's a lot like,


[00:35:03 - 00:35:07] Speaker: I think the audience,
the audience of people who hate me


[00:35:07 - 00:35:09] Speaker: would think that, like,
we shouldn't be talking


[00:35:09 - 00:35:11] Speaker: and and I think
it's really important to talk


[00:35:11 - 00:35:13] Speaker: because I think there's a lot of things
that like, we can


[00:35:13 - 00:35:17] Speaker: we can find common ground on or at least
at least a way to move forward.


[00:35:17 - 00:35:21] Speaker: And we get an opportunity,
like not a sound bite, but with nuance.


[00:35:22 - 00:35:24] Speaker: Have a conversation
about exactly what we're talking about.


[00:35:24 - 00:35:26] Speaker: And, yes.


[00:35:26 - 00:35:28] Speaker: And I think it's important
because it's like,


[00:35:28 - 00:35:32] Speaker: okay, you guys might not agree with this,
but one of the biggest things that, like,


[00:35:32 - 00:35:32] Speaker: blew my mind


[00:35:32 - 00:35:35] Speaker: at the beginning of Covid was like,
I started to ask myself, who do I hate


[00:35:35 - 00:35:37] Speaker: and why do I hate them
in the first person?


[00:35:37 - 00:35:40] Speaker: Was Trump like the first person
I thought about was Trump,


[00:35:40 - 00:35:44] Speaker: and I went back
and I as like a torture test for me.


[00:35:44 - 00:35:47] Speaker: I went back, remember Charlottesville,
good people on both sides.


[00:35:47 - 00:35:51] Speaker: I went back, watch the entire press
conference because I was like, okay,


[00:35:51 - 00:35:54] Speaker: I just want to understand, like the tone,
everything that was going there.


[00:35:54 - 00:35:57] Speaker: My mom said some terrible shit to me
before in the past.


[00:35:57 - 00:35:58] Speaker: But like,
if you look at like what I was doing


[00:35:58 - 00:36:01] Speaker: before and after that,
she was probably justified in saying it.


[00:36:01 - 00:36:04] Speaker: So I got to the point where it's like,
you know, I'm not.


[00:36:04 - 00:36:07] Speaker: He goes, I'm not talking about
the neo-Nazis, the white supremacists.


[00:36:07 - 00:36:09] Speaker: And I was like,
wait a second, I never heard that.


[00:36:09 - 00:36:12] Speaker: And then there was and then he said,
good people on both sides.


[00:36:12 - 00:36:15] Speaker: And then, like 30s later,
he goes, I disavow the white supremacists


[00:36:15 - 00:36:17] Speaker: and the neo-Nazis totally.


[00:36:17 - 00:36:20] Speaker: And I was like, and that was my big like,
oh my God, they've lied to me


[00:36:20 - 00:36:23] Speaker: for 4 or 5 years.
What else did they lie about?


[00:36:23 - 00:36:26] Speaker: And that's
what took me down the rabbit hole of like,


[00:36:27 - 00:36:27] Speaker: seeing the things that


[00:36:27 - 00:36:30] Speaker: you're talking about and seeing the things
that you've been talking about.


[00:36:30 - 00:36:35] Speaker: And it just like,
is there something that that allows us


[00:36:35 - 00:36:39] Speaker: to not totally come together
because we're so used to being on a team?


[00:36:40 - 00:36:41] Speaker: Is that what it is?


[00:36:41 - 00:36:43] Speaker: It's like subconsciously we're like,
that's what they say.


[00:36:43 - 00:36:46] Speaker: You ever read the book
I read Grow by All talk to


[00:36:47 - 00:36:48] Speaker: Aldous Huxley?


[00:36:48 - 00:36:50] Speaker: Yeah, I know of the book.


[00:36:50 - 00:36:52] Speaker: I've never read the book.
He talks about Obama.


[00:36:52 - 00:36:53] Speaker: That's out.


[00:36:53 - 00:36:56] Speaker: You're hammered.


[00:36:56 - 00:36:57] Speaker: He talks about like that.


[00:36:57 - 00:37:01] Speaker: People like, want to feel like they belong
to something bigger than themselves.


[00:37:01 - 00:37:03] Speaker: And he talks about how that was used,
like during World


[00:37:03 - 00:37:06] Speaker: War two or during major movements,
to get people to sign on,


[00:37:06 - 00:37:08] Speaker: because a lot of people are like, well,
how can someone done


[00:37:08 - 00:37:10] Speaker: that if you're seeing these atrocities
or whatever?


[00:37:10 - 00:37:12] Speaker: And, but it talks about that.


[00:37:12 - 00:37:15] Speaker: I think what happens with people,
whether it's the Dems or Republicans,


[00:37:15 - 00:37:18] Speaker: they need to feel like they belong
to a bigger group.


[00:37:19 - 00:37:21] Speaker: There's not this like it's rare for like


[00:37:21 - 00:37:24] Speaker: someone like myself, like,
I don't know, I'm like unique over here.


[00:37:24 - 00:37:26] Speaker: But I'm saying, like,


[00:37:26 - 00:37:29] Speaker: it's rare for someone not to want that
group validation or feel like they belong.


[00:37:29 - 00:37:30] Speaker: I'm not like that.


[00:37:30 - 00:37:32] Speaker: I'm very much like a homesteader lone
wolf type.


[00:37:32 - 00:37:33] Speaker: But that's rare.


[00:37:33 - 00:37:34] Speaker: You know what I mean?


[00:37:34 - 00:37:37] Speaker: Yeah, I, I don't, I like that
I think we should all do that, right.


[00:37:37 - 00:37:38] Speaker: Yeah.


[00:37:38 - 00:37:38] Speaker: Yeah, yeah.


[00:37:38 - 00:37:41] Speaker: But like so.
But that's not a common thing.


[00:37:41 - 00:37:43] Speaker: Like most people like even my husband
Hannah for.


[00:37:43 - 00:37:46] Speaker: I mean, like, you want to have friends,
you want to hang out.


[00:37:46 - 00:37:47] Speaker: I think humans are social.


[00:37:47 - 00:37:49] Speaker: And I think he gets
into the nuances of that


[00:37:49 - 00:37:52] Speaker: and how that manipulate it and exploit it
for other people's benefits.


[00:37:52 - 00:37:53] Speaker: They take advantage of it.


[00:37:53 - 00:37:55] Speaker: And I do, even on a local level, I,


[00:37:55 - 00:37:58] Speaker: I started seeing it happening locally
and it really bothered me.


[00:37:59 - 00:37:59] Speaker: Yeah.


[00:37:59 - 00:38:03] Speaker: And that's where you know, and I know Fern
saw it as well and also didn't see it.


[00:38:03 - 00:38:06] Speaker: And but we started with eye opening.
Yeah.


[00:38:06 - 00:38:08] Speaker: We started reaching out across the aisle
immediately.


[00:38:08 - 00:38:11] Speaker: And I said,
this is about not that this is it.


[00:38:11 - 00:38:14] Speaker: If there's any political movement,
it should be about bringing people


[00:38:14 - 00:38:17] Speaker: together hundred percent to like,


[00:38:18 - 00:38:21] Speaker: neither side is telling 100% of the truth,
and you're being taken advantage of


[00:38:21 - 00:38:22] Speaker: for their own benefit.


[00:38:22 - 00:38:25] Speaker: I think that should be like the talking
point, period.


[00:38:25 - 00:38:27] Speaker: I don't disagree,
I don't think there's I don't think


[00:38:27 - 00:38:28] Speaker: many people would disagree
with that. Right.


[00:38:28 - 00:38:30] Speaker: Just use the word team.


[00:38:30 - 00:38:34] Speaker: And that's that's a great way to put it
because it's like they're playing a game


[00:38:34 - 00:38:37] Speaker: and whoever scores the most points, and
it's all about taking out the other guy


[00:38:38 - 00:38:40] Speaker: instead of working for the people.
Yeah. Problem.


[00:38:40 - 00:38:44] Speaker: Like they're they're choosing
what personal status over public service.


[00:38:44 - 00:38:45] Speaker: That's not the job.


[00:38:45 - 00:38:50] Speaker: Well it's it's the it's pretty well split
between Republicans and Democrats.


[00:38:50 - 00:38:50] Speaker: Yeah.


[00:38:50 - 00:38:53] Speaker: You're supposed to represent everyone,
not just the people who voted for you.


[00:38:54 - 00:38:55] Speaker: And what happens when you get in office?


[00:38:55 - 00:38:57] Speaker: You have to represent the other side.


[00:38:57 - 00:39:01] Speaker: Well, we use we used to say that's not
a Democrat pothole or Republican pothole.


[00:39:01 - 00:39:02] Speaker: It's a pothole.


[00:39:02 - 00:39:04] Speaker: If we got to fix it. Yes.


[00:39:04 - 00:39:05] Speaker: And they won't.


[00:39:05 - 00:39:07] Speaker: They like the divisiveness is like I


[00:39:09 - 00:39:11] Speaker: just just all of us sitting here right now


[00:39:11 - 00:39:15] Speaker: is almost like validation for me
to be like, I think the tide's turning.


[00:39:15 - 00:39:18] Speaker: We're we're
we're tired of hating each other,


[00:39:18 - 00:39:20] Speaker: and we need to talk to each other.


[00:39:20 - 00:39:24] Speaker: And sometimes it'll be uncomfortable
and sometimes it'll you'll.


[00:39:25 - 00:39:28] Speaker: I've said a lot of crazy shit
that people were like, oh, he's nuts.


[00:39:28 - 00:39:30] Speaker: And then like two years later,
they're like,


[00:39:30 - 00:39:31] Speaker: oh, you're totally right about that thing.


[00:39:31 - 00:39:36] Speaker: And I don't I think most people aren't
trying to be malicious.


[00:39:36 - 00:39:37] Speaker: I think they're trying to not.


[00:39:37 - 00:39:41] Speaker: I think more people are afraid
of any threats to their status


[00:39:41 - 00:39:45] Speaker: or their friendships than they are about,
like, doing the right thing,


[00:39:46 - 00:39:48] Speaker: you know, because doing the right,
doing the right things easy.


[00:39:48 - 00:39:50] Speaker: Why are they not doing the right thing?


[00:39:50 - 00:39:55] Speaker: And it's because it has to be like virtue
signaled, or it has to be


[00:39:57 - 00:39:57] Speaker: virtue signaling.


[00:39:57 - 00:39:58] Speaker: I hate it.


[00:39:58 - 00:40:01] Speaker: Well, I, I'm like back in the day
protest for protest.


[00:40:01 - 00:40:03] Speaker: Right.
But now it is like it's a parade, dude.


[00:40:03 - 00:40:05] Speaker: Like you're no good.


[00:40:05 - 00:40:06] Speaker: You're not doing it for the cause.


[00:40:06 - 00:40:09] Speaker: So I don't want to hear you go home
and you're like, oh, I did good today.


[00:40:09 - 00:40:11] Speaker: And it's like, you didn't change
shit, right? Yeah.


[00:40:11 - 00:40:13] Speaker: The people you're
you made everybody angrier.


[00:40:13 - 00:40:14] Speaker: Yeah. Yeah.


[00:40:14 - 00:40:16] Speaker: Yourself. Feel like you're. Yeah.
It's like you're.


[00:40:16 - 00:40:17] Speaker: What is that?


[00:40:17 - 00:40:20] Speaker: It's a it's a drug.
Almost like you just want to feel good.


[00:40:20 - 00:40:22] Speaker: So something to be said
about making it visible.


[00:40:22 - 00:40:23] Speaker: But that's one piece to the puzzle.


[00:40:23 - 00:40:26] Speaker: There are many, many other pieces
that you should be playing.


[00:40:26 - 00:40:27] Speaker: And you're just leaving them collecting.


[00:40:27 - 00:40:31] Speaker: I look, I always had a problem,
like when when you start


[00:40:31 - 00:40:34] Speaker: calling people Nazis and racists, there's
no communication.


[00:40:35 - 00:40:37] Speaker: You're not going to have
a good communication


[00:40:37 - 00:40:41] Speaker: from there because you're starting
from a point of like negativity.


[00:40:41 - 00:40:44] Speaker: Like if you like that,
when you start calling people fugitives.


[00:40:45 - 00:40:47] Speaker: And this is like from my experience,
because I've been


[00:40:47 - 00:40:50] Speaker: I've been called
these things called radical and nuts.


[00:40:50 - 00:40:51] Speaker: Oh, I'd rather
I'd rather be called radical


[00:40:51 - 00:40:56] Speaker: and nuts than racist,
you know, bigot, fascist, Nazi.


[00:40:56 - 00:40:58] Speaker: I mean, I mean, it is
it's like there is a minority


[00:40:58 - 00:41:01] Speaker: that carry like,
you know, they they bring.


[00:41:01 - 00:41:01] Speaker: Is that what it is?


[00:41:01 - 00:41:03] Speaker: Is that it is it's just a vocal,


[00:41:03 - 00:41:06] Speaker: I think few amount of people
that are just annoying.


[00:41:06 - 00:41:09] Speaker: And yeah, I think we both,
they live in their mom's basement.


[00:41:09 - 00:41:12] Speaker: Your, people that are kind of unstable
and go off the cuff.


[00:41:12 - 00:41:15] Speaker: Right. But I think the majority of us
are not that.


[00:41:15 - 00:41:17] Speaker: And I, I think I think so too.


[00:41:17 - 00:41:20] Speaker: And I don't, I like, I don't know,


[00:41:21 - 00:41:21] Speaker: I mean, I do


[00:41:21 - 00:41:22] Speaker: like, I have my theories


[00:41:22 - 00:41:23] Speaker: but like,


[00:41:23 - 00:41:24] Speaker: I don't want to like,
espouse all my theories


[00:41:24 - 00:41:26] Speaker: because then everyone
will think of Candace Owens.


[00:41:26 - 00:41:29] Speaker: Not not in that respect,
but like everything that she says


[00:41:29 - 00:41:32] Speaker: now is.


[00:41:32 - 00:41:34] Speaker: I think she had a secret infatuation.


[00:41:34 - 00:41:35] Speaker: I mean, that might be totally true.


[00:41:35 - 00:41:38] Speaker: That might be totally true, you know?


[00:41:38 - 00:41:41] Speaker: But what I,
what what I like is like what I like.


[00:41:41 - 00:41:45] Speaker: What I like is she's she's not even
excluding time travel from her theory.


[00:41:45 - 00:41:46] Speaker: Right.


[00:41:46 - 00:41:48] Speaker: You know, so I'm like, all right,
well let's go down that like


[00:41:48 - 00:41:51] Speaker: and I tell people like when I was growing
up, the number one show on


[00:41:51 - 00:41:53] Speaker: television was Unsolved Mysteries.


[00:41:53 - 00:41:56] Speaker: We watched it every Monday at 8:00
and on Friday at five on Fox.


[00:41:56 - 00:41:59] Speaker: We watched sightings that like,
that was the first time


[00:41:59 - 00:42:02] Speaker: I heard that Sirhan
Sirhan might not have shot Robert Kennedy.


[00:42:02 - 00:42:06] Speaker: Like, these are things that, like,
we should be able to talk about crazy shit


[00:42:06 - 00:42:12] Speaker: and then come back to like,
whatever seems realistic as opposed to


[00:42:12 - 00:42:15] Speaker: like, the crazy shit, but like, entertain
the crazy thing for a little bit.


[00:42:15 - 00:42:17] Speaker: So uncomfortable with that.


[00:42:17 - 00:42:19] Speaker: You're so uncomfortable
with entertaining crazy shit.


[00:42:19 - 00:42:22] Speaker: Yeah, but I'm just being honest.


[00:42:22 - 00:42:23] Speaker: I'm just gonna be honest.


[00:42:23 - 00:42:26] Speaker: It makes me so uncomfortable
sometimes y to talk about crazy stuff.


[00:42:26 - 00:42:29] Speaker: Yeah, like very crazy or outlandish,
like conspiracy.


[00:42:29 - 00:42:30] Speaker: Like flat earth.


[00:42:32 - 00:42:33] Speaker: Are you flat earther?


[00:42:33 - 00:42:35] Speaker: I gonna bring my brother on?


[00:42:35 - 00:42:35] Speaker: No, no, no.


[00:42:35 - 00:42:37] Speaker: So what I what I say,
what I, what I say about flat


[00:42:37 - 00:42:40] Speaker: earth is it's the final conspiracy
theory based.


[00:42:42 - 00:42:46] Speaker: As long as as long as you're open
to the possibility that it might be true.


[00:42:47 - 00:42:48] Speaker: Yeah. Sort of knocked us off.


[00:42:48 - 00:42:50] Speaker: You think so? Yeah.


[00:42:50 - 00:42:53] Speaker: They don't like coffee tables.


[00:42:53 - 00:42:58] Speaker: But, like, I think I think I, I yeah,
I think in what you're, like, just like


[00:42:58 - 00:43:01] Speaker: part of part of, like, part of, like,
this whole experiment is the discomfort.


[00:43:02 - 00:43:05] Speaker: It's like you're supposed like you can't


[00:43:05 - 00:43:08] Speaker: people can't grow
until they're uncomfortable.


[00:43:08 - 00:43:09] Speaker: You have to go through that.


[00:43:09 - 00:43:11] Speaker: She's doing great.


[00:43:11 - 00:43:14] Speaker: It's baby steps. It's okay.


[00:43:14 - 00:43:15] Speaker: Thanks, guys. Thanks, guys.


[00:43:15 - 00:43:20] Speaker: I mean, in your group and we say it all
the time, like as Democrats, when you live


[00:43:20 - 00:43:23] Speaker: in a mostly Republican district,
you have to go where it's uncomfortable.


[00:43:23 - 00:43:25] Speaker: You have to go and talk to people.


[00:43:25 - 00:43:26] Speaker: I've met on with the doctor.


[00:43:26 - 00:43:29] Speaker: Funny thing,
like shoving all of the stuff like


[00:43:30 - 00:43:31] Speaker: walk in.


[00:43:31 - 00:43:35] Speaker: We had a booth up at
the Luzerne County Fair when I ran in 24,


[00:43:36 - 00:43:39] Speaker: and a lot of time
I was up there in like did you


[00:43:39 - 00:43:42] Speaker: did you run into Jamie Walsh there? Yes,
we met him there.


[00:43:42 - 00:43:43] Speaker: Okay, okay.


[00:43:43 - 00:43:45] Speaker: When you talk to me,


[00:43:45 - 00:43:46] Speaker: was that surprising to you?


[00:43:46 - 00:43:49] Speaker: Okay, good conversation.


[00:43:49 - 00:43:51] Speaker: And this guy, he's a good guy.


[00:43:51 - 00:43:52] Speaker: I like him a lot.


[00:43:52 - 00:43:53] Speaker: He's always been kind to me.


[00:43:53 - 00:43:55] Speaker: Like, there's a lot of stuff
we disagree on politically,


[00:43:55 - 00:43:57] Speaker: but he's always been respectful of me.


[00:43:57 - 00:44:01] Speaker: He's always returned my call,
and he's always answer to questions.


[00:44:01 - 00:44:02] Speaker: Accessible capabilities.


[00:44:02 - 00:44:05] Speaker: And he's not even my representative.


[00:44:05 - 00:44:06] Speaker: What does that tell you?


[00:44:06 - 00:44:07] Speaker: It says a lot.


[00:44:07 - 00:44:09] Speaker: Does your representatives
call you back like him?


[00:44:09 - 00:44:12] Speaker: We don't color well, I do.


[00:44:12 - 00:44:13] Speaker: Isn't that weird?


[00:44:13 - 00:44:15] Speaker: She's supposed to be my rep.


[00:44:15 - 00:44:16] Speaker: Yeah, she. I don't even go
to the government for answers.


[00:44:16 - 00:44:18] Speaker: I'm like, how can I work outside the
system? Because they're all full of shit.


[00:44:21 - 00:44:21] Speaker: I just


[00:44:21 - 00:44:24] Speaker: mean, like, I know I'm like,
I can wear my own food.


[00:44:24 - 00:44:28] Speaker: I do all but some of that, like, look,
there's, there's there's a lot that are


[00:44:29 - 00:44:32] Speaker: not a lot, but there's, there's a few
that are absolutely sincere,


[00:44:32 - 00:44:35] Speaker: like, and I don't care if you're d or
and are I've met I've met sincere


[00:44:35 - 00:44:40] Speaker: D's I've met sincere are is
it's just I agree that the more of us that


[00:44:41 - 00:44:46] Speaker: that there are stepping up, the more of us
that will step up in other areas.


[00:44:46 - 00:44:46] Speaker: Yeah.


[00:44:46 - 00:44:50] Speaker: So first person to dance at the wedding
allows everyone else to dance.


[00:44:50 - 00:44:53] Speaker: I don't get up and dance,
but like I don't either. I


[00:44:54 - 00:44:55] Speaker: it depends.


[00:44:55 - 00:44:57] Speaker: Maybe later in the night
after I'll open bar a little bit.


[00:44:57 - 00:44:59] Speaker: I'll do the chicken dance
if that's that's it.


[00:44:59 - 00:45:00] Speaker: That's your


[00:45:00 - 00:45:02] Speaker: that's the extent of your dancing
is the chicken dance.


[00:45:02 - 00:45:03] Speaker: Yeah.


[00:45:03 - 00:45:04] Speaker: Well,
I mean, I know how to do the Macarena,


[00:45:04 - 00:45:07] Speaker: but I don't think that I would.
We put in a third here.


[00:45:07 - 00:45:08] Speaker: So yeah, I would,


[00:45:08 - 00:45:11] Speaker: but you know the point is
and go where you're uncomfortable


[00:45:11 - 00:45:13] Speaker: like that was front page news
when we went out there.


[00:45:13 - 00:45:14] Speaker: I don't think that should have been
front page views.


[00:45:14 - 00:45:15] Speaker: Politician has a booth up there.


[00:45:15 - 00:45:19] Speaker: The Republican side by booth up there
because it's because it's political


[00:45:19 - 00:45:20] Speaker: and political.


[00:45:20 - 00:45:24] Speaker: And it really you know,
that's in Dallas and I live in Dallas.


[00:45:24 - 00:45:27] Speaker: Have you noticed that your media down
there has become political,


[00:45:28 - 00:45:28] Speaker: isn't it?


[00:45:28 - 00:45:32] Speaker: Isn't that like the total antithesis
of what media should be like?


[00:45:33 - 00:45:36] Speaker: I think it should be fair, I do too.


[00:45:36 - 00:45:38] Speaker: I don't think that it should be
one way or the other.


[00:45:38 - 00:45:41] Speaker: And we do still have reporters there
that do do that.


[00:45:41 - 00:45:42] Speaker: It's just that it's not.


[00:45:42 - 00:45:46] Speaker: Oh, well, a lot of the times it's the
the editor who's like, you can't run that.


[00:45:46 - 00:45:51] Speaker: We can't, we can't do a pro,
you know, not crazy person's story.


[00:45:51 - 00:45:54] Speaker: We have to do a negative
crazy person story like one of


[00:45:55 - 00:45:58] Speaker: and I think it should be fact like
if you want to put your opinion out there,


[00:45:58 - 00:46:00] Speaker: that's what the editorial section is for.


[00:46:00 - 00:46:03] Speaker: Well, I've noticed in our local news,
I local our, our local newspaper,


[00:46:03 - 00:46:07] Speaker: it's like like 60% of
the stories are like the AP, Reuters.


[00:46:07 - 00:46:09] Speaker: And it's not even local reporters


[00:46:09 - 00:46:13] Speaker: and it's just some opinion
from some national news organization


[00:46:13 - 00:46:16] Speaker: to say, hate this, hate that, like this,
like that.


[00:46:16 - 00:46:17] Speaker: It's all clickbait.


[00:46:17 - 00:46:20] Speaker: Now. It's not like to be, I've noticed.


[00:46:20 - 00:46:21] Speaker: Did you notice?


[00:46:21 - 00:46:22] Speaker: Did you notice,


[00:46:22 - 00:46:25] Speaker: did you notice that the TV news,
the local TV news is starting to do


[00:46:25 - 00:46:26] Speaker: clickbait stuff?


[00:46:26 - 00:46:28] Speaker: Yeah,
I don't even watch any of that garbage.


[00:46:28 - 00:46:29] Speaker: I think I do, yeah.


[00:46:29 - 00:46:30] Speaker: Okay.


[00:46:30 - 00:46:33] Speaker: Do you think that they're doing themselves
a credibility disservice by doing that?


[00:46:33 - 00:46:35] Speaker: No. I think it's all about money.


[00:46:35 - 00:46:37] Speaker: No, I mean, like, do you do
you think they're doing themselves


[00:46:37 - 00:46:40] Speaker: a disservice for credibility
by doing the clickbait shit instead of.


[00:46:40 - 00:46:41] Speaker: Yeah, yeah, they should too.


[00:46:41 - 00:46:44] Speaker: And if you want to be an influencer,
go be an influencer. But like if


[00:46:45 - 00:46:48] Speaker: you deliver the news like let's,
let's draw the lines here,


[00:46:48 - 00:46:52] Speaker: you know, like you should identify
and perform as such.


[00:46:52 - 00:46:55] Speaker: Yeah. It's like Walter Cronkite
and that's the way it was.


[00:46:55 - 00:46:56] Speaker: No, no.


[00:46:56 - 00:46:56] Speaker: Now like,


[00:46:56 - 00:47:00] Speaker: whereas like, you know, Tom Bradshaw,
what was it, Tom Brokaw yeah, yeah.


[00:47:00 - 00:47:02] Speaker: Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings,


[00:47:02 - 00:47:05] Speaker: read when I was in basic
training, called out on my watch,


[00:47:05 - 00:47:07] Speaker: and it was about the genocide
in Darfur now.


[00:47:07 - 00:47:09] Speaker: And when he wrote it,
you know what I mean?


[00:47:09 - 00:47:10] Speaker: It was very factual and based.


[00:47:10 - 00:47:13] Speaker: And he wasn't, like, against America,
but he was a for it.


[00:47:13 - 00:47:15] Speaker: He was just explaining what our role was
or what played


[00:47:15 - 00:47:17] Speaker: we were making that he felt was furthering
the genocide.


[00:47:17 - 00:47:19] Speaker: Yeah. Criticism does not mean hate, right?


[00:47:19 - 00:47:21] Speaker: Yeah, I, 
I think that we need to bring that back


[00:47:21 - 00:47:24] Speaker: where we could be openly critical
like of things.


[00:47:24 - 00:47:25] Speaker: You know, it's okay.


[00:47:25 - 00:47:26] Speaker: Like, as a matter of fact,


[00:47:26 - 00:47:29] Speaker: I think anybody in a position of authority
should expect criticism.


[00:47:29 - 00:47:31] Speaker: I think that is your number one


[00:47:31 - 00:47:34] Speaker: job is to hear that criticism,
not to deflect it to shift blame.


[00:47:35 - 00:47:38] Speaker: No gaslighting, you know, I mean, I to me,
it seems that you're doing that.


[00:47:38 - 00:47:41] Speaker: You're just a shaky dude.
Dude, you need to go. Yeah, totally.


[00:47:41 - 00:47:42] Speaker: You know, nothing is perfect.


[00:47:42 - 00:47:44] Speaker: And that's what you'll hear me
say that a lot.


[00:47:44 - 00:47:46] Speaker: There's always room for improvement.
Always.


[00:47:46 - 00:47:47] Speaker: So you'll see.


[00:47:47 - 00:47:49] Speaker: You'll hear a lot. Well,
if it ain't broke, don't fix it.


[00:47:49 - 00:47:50] Speaker: But if, like,
that doesn't mean you shouldn't


[00:47:50 - 00:47:52] Speaker: look at it and see if we can't improve it.


[00:47:52 - 00:47:54] Speaker: And you might come to the conclusion
that you can't.


[00:47:54 - 00:47:56] Speaker: That is the best that it is now.


[00:47:56 - 00:47:57] Speaker: But like, what's the harm in looking?


[00:47:57 - 00:48:00] Speaker: Did you ever have anybody tell you for
this is just the way we do it?


[00:48:00 - 00:48:02] Speaker: Yeah. Oh, God. Yeah.


[00:48:02 - 00:48:05] Speaker: Isn't that the one that drives you crazy?


[00:48:05 - 00:48:06] Speaker: There's.


[00:48:06 - 00:48:07] Speaker: There's a saying in Scranton.


[00:48:07 - 00:48:10] Speaker: There's a saying in Scranton
that if if everyone woke up tomorrow in


[00:48:10 - 00:48:14] Speaker: the streets were lined in horseshit,
everyone would buy taller boots, right?


[00:48:14 - 00:48:16] Speaker: Which is how like, we like, we just.


[00:48:16 - 00:48:18] Speaker: We just keep constantly getting.


[00:48:18 - 00:48:20] Speaker: Well, why can't we change it?


[00:48:20 - 00:48:21] Speaker: Why can't we do something different?


[00:48:21 - 00:48:23] Speaker: But it's going to need to be
we the people.


[00:48:23 - 00:48:24] Speaker: Yeah.


[00:48:24 - 00:48:26] Speaker: And that's the uniting factor, right?


[00:48:26 - 00:48:27] Speaker: Because it is David and Goliath.


[00:48:27 - 00:48:30] Speaker: And so I think that you're
in a unique position,


[00:48:31 - 00:48:35] Speaker: especially now, as
is your district 5050 almost, or


[00:48:36 - 00:48:39] Speaker: 49.51 4951.


[00:48:39 - 00:48:41] Speaker: Yeah. So it would be fits.


[00:48:41 - 00:48:44] Speaker: So at the same time


[00:48:44 - 00:48:46] Speaker: and maybe about ten, 12% independence.


[00:48:46 - 00:48:49] Speaker: Yeah, independence
could swing literally swing the race.


[00:48:49 - 00:48:53] Speaker: Well I think like I, I'm noticing
that like there's a bunch of dudes


[00:48:54 - 00:48:59] Speaker: who I would let's say we call them
Kennedy Democrats who don't like,


[00:48:59 - 00:49:02] Speaker: they don't like the current way
that the party is running.


[00:49:02 - 00:49:05] Speaker: And then everyone else who's been pushed
out of the Democratic Party


[00:49:06 - 00:49:09] Speaker: has come


[00:49:09 - 00:49:11] Speaker: gone Republican.


[00:49:11 - 00:49:11] Speaker: You know,


[00:49:11 - 00:49:13] Speaker: there's a lot of people that I know
that got pushed


[00:49:13 - 00:49:15] Speaker: out of the Democratic Party,
that went Republican.


[00:49:15 - 00:49:18] Speaker: And there's a lot of people who didn't
like we still hold true to the values


[00:49:18 - 00:49:18] Speaker: we are.


[00:49:18 - 00:49:21] Speaker: We're just not seeing, in our leadership
to be well,


[00:49:22 - 00:49:24] Speaker: we actually are in the middle of starting
a pack,


[00:49:24 - 00:49:27] Speaker: called the Independent Democrat Coalition,
which stands for I don't care.


[00:49:29 - 00:49:30] Speaker: But we did.


[00:49:30 - 00:49:31] Speaker: We just had our first meeting.


[00:49:31 - 00:49:34] Speaker: And really, what it is,
is the pool of people that are like,


[00:49:34 - 00:49:36] Speaker: relatively independent, like,
so some might be that.


[00:49:36 - 00:49:39] Speaker: Right? So might,
you know who we built left.


[00:49:39 - 00:49:41] Speaker: But our, our mission is about unity


[00:49:41 - 00:49:44] Speaker: and bringing forth like a broader voice
for the working class.


[00:49:44 - 00:49:48] Speaker: So is there like some sort of, 
what would you call it?


[00:49:49 - 00:49:51] Speaker: I wouldn't say the Ten Commandments,
but like what?


[00:49:51 - 00:49:53] Speaker: What are the things that, like
that would pack?


[00:49:53 - 00:49:54] Speaker: That's it.


[00:49:54 - 00:49:56] Speaker: Like we're not I mean, I'm
all for you putting that on a banner.


[00:49:56 - 00:49:57] Speaker: Yeah.


[00:49:57 - 00:49:59] Speaker: Like so like,
honestly, it's about common sense


[00:49:59 - 00:50:02] Speaker: and common courtesy
about integrity over obedience.


[00:50:02 - 00:50:05] Speaker: It's it's about like, you know, we want to
be able to disagree with each other.


[00:50:05 - 00:50:08] Speaker: You want to be favorites, perspectives
because that does sharpen.


[00:50:08 - 00:50:09] Speaker: It's kind of the what's known a win away.


[00:50:09 - 00:50:12] Speaker: It sharpens you to your lenses.


[00:50:12 - 00:50:15] Speaker: So like we're inviting
that is to, you know, political diversity.


[00:50:15 - 00:50:19] Speaker: But like it's pretty much people
that are like, you know, we don't want to


[00:50:19 - 00:50:21] Speaker: just adhere to party lines
or take a party lines.


[00:50:21 - 00:50:24] Speaker: We want to get just good people in. Yeah.


[00:50:24 - 00:50:25] Speaker: You know what I mean?


[00:50:25 - 00:50:27] Speaker: So where would you support Republicans to.


[00:50:27 - 00:50:30] Speaker: Yeah. That's incredible.


[00:50:30 - 00:50:30] Speaker: You don't hear that?


[00:50:30 - 00:50:33] Speaker: No. Independent Republican. Democrat.
You know what I mean?


[00:50:33 - 00:50:35] Speaker: I mean, I will say the majority room
might lean left.


[00:50:35 - 00:50:38] Speaker: Sure, but but but but that's
but that's the thing.


[00:50:38 - 00:50:41] Speaker: It's like
it's like at least you're leaving the door


[00:50:41 - 00:50:44] Speaker: open where it currently
there is no doors to open, right.


[00:50:44 - 00:50:46] Speaker: No, no, we're we're sick of the shit.


[00:50:46 - 00:50:48] Speaker: We mean it, like, you know what I mean?


[00:50:48 - 00:50:49] Speaker: And especially at a local level,


[00:50:49 - 00:50:51] Speaker: you're not dealing with national politics,
you know what I mean?


[00:50:51 - 00:50:53] Speaker: Like the culture wars. Yeah.


[00:50:54 - 00:50:54] Speaker: School


[00:50:54 - 00:50:58] Speaker: board members, we might see,
you know, township supervisors.


[00:50:58 - 00:51:00] Speaker: Yeah. Things there. Yeah.


[00:51:00 - 00:51:05] Speaker: So one of the things we need to start
doing is kind of separating our government


[00:51:05 - 00:51:08] Speaker: is because a lot of people don't know
which branch of government


[00:51:08 - 00:51:10] Speaker: that they're supposed to talk to
about what topic,


[00:51:10 - 00:51:13] Speaker: because everyone wants to pretend
they have more power than they have.


[00:51:13 - 00:51:14] Speaker: You have a lane.


[00:51:14 - 00:51:16] Speaker: It's a wide lane.


[00:51:16 - 00:51:18] Speaker: It's not going to hurt you to stay in it.


[00:51:18 - 00:51:21] Speaker: It's it's okay to admit that this doesn't
have anything to do with me.


[00:51:21 - 00:51:23] Speaker: You need to go to the federal level or
this doesn't have anything to do with me.


[00:51:23 - 00:51:25] Speaker: You need to take it to your township.


[00:51:25 - 00:51:26] Speaker: There's nothing wrong with that.


[00:51:26 - 00:51:29] Speaker: But when you have a bunch of people
in any position of power


[00:51:29 - 00:51:32] Speaker: who are pretending to have more than they
don't, they keep those lines blurred.


[00:51:32 - 00:51:33] Speaker: And then they keep people angry


[00:51:33 - 00:51:35] Speaker: because people
are going to the wrong place,


[00:51:35 - 00:51:37] Speaker: and then they feel like
they're being pushed off


[00:51:37 - 00:51:38] Speaker: because they're not getting the answers.


[00:51:38 - 00:51:40] Speaker: Can I ask you a policy question?


[00:51:40 - 00:51:44] Speaker: Would you, would you, would you be
that would you, would you, would you


[00:51:45 - 00:51:48] Speaker: would you advocate
for getting civics back into schools?


[00:51:48 - 00:51:49] Speaker: I don't see why not.


[00:51:49 - 00:51:53] Speaker: I, I think that history and social studies
should not be the same subject.


[00:51:53 - 00:51:56] Speaker: No part of our history is civics.


[00:51:57 - 00:51:58] Speaker: I learned it when I was in school.


[00:51:58 - 00:52:01] Speaker: Well, I think that's part of the problem
right now because like, if you look,


[00:52:02 - 00:52:05] Speaker: I think a lot of problems
that we can see right now are glacial.


[00:52:05 - 00:52:08] Speaker: In other words, like the movement
happened, the inciting incident


[00:52:08 - 00:52:11] Speaker: happened a long time ago,
and we're now seeing the effects of that.


[00:52:12 - 00:52:15] Speaker: And like I, I ran for school board
and I was a I was a big advocate


[00:52:15 - 00:52:17] Speaker: for like bringing civics back.


[00:52:17 - 00:52:19] Speaker: And you know, you always hear that
like, parents didn't want civics in school


[00:52:19 - 00:52:20] Speaker: because they were afraid


[00:52:20 - 00:52:22] Speaker: that their Democrat kid
would become a Republican,


[00:52:22 - 00:52:24] Speaker: or the Republican kid
would become a Democrat.


[00:52:24 - 00:52:26] Speaker: I understand that they don't.


[00:52:26 - 00:52:29] Speaker: And that's the problem is, like, I'm
not sure that's that's what I'm saying.


[00:52:29 - 00:52:32] Speaker: So they've been they've yeah, probably


[00:52:32 - 00:52:34] Speaker: propaganda used to be word of mouth
and everything else until social media.


[00:52:34 - 00:52:37] Speaker: Now it's just now
it's pumped into your brain.


[00:52:37 - 00:52:42] Speaker: Like I think that, like, I think
we should encourage, we should teach


[00:52:43 - 00:52:45] Speaker: the youth to understand how


[00:52:45 - 00:52:49] Speaker: their government functions, who does what
and and how they can be effective.


[00:52:49 - 00:52:50] Speaker: And I.


[00:52:50 - 00:52:51] Speaker: You sure?


[00:52:51 - 00:52:53] Speaker: Sure. The boss. Right.


[00:52:53 - 00:52:55] Speaker: And what do we do?


[00:52:55 - 00:52:58] Speaker: We hire people and then we don't
look at them until it's reelection time.


[00:52:58 - 00:53:00] Speaker: And then sometimes
we don't even run people against them.


[00:53:00 - 00:53:03] Speaker: So it's like,
I want this really great job.


[00:53:03 - 00:53:04] Speaker: I got this really great job.


[00:53:04 - 00:53:07] Speaker: And no, I'm
never going to get a performance review.


[00:53:08 - 00:53:11] Speaker: It's all over, like for the people,
but not oversight for the politicians,


[00:53:11 - 00:53:14] Speaker: you know, and there needs to be oversight
out of those areas.


[00:53:14 - 00:53:15] Speaker: Like there's no accountability.


[00:53:15 - 00:53:17] Speaker: That's
just kind of like they let run loose.


[00:53:17 - 00:53:21] Speaker: And then the people
who want accountability get pushed out,


[00:53:21 - 00:53:22] Speaker: or they try to prevent them
from getting in.


[00:53:22 - 00:53:25] Speaker: That's where the whole, campaign
finance comes into that as well,


[00:53:25 - 00:53:28] Speaker: because any of the money and whoever's
donating and they get the broadest,


[00:53:29 - 00:53:32] Speaker: the loudest, Mike,
because they have the money for the reach.


[00:53:32 - 00:53:33] Speaker: I mean, you gotta admit, though, like.


[00:53:35 - 00:53:38] Speaker: Money is a huge


[00:53:38 - 00:53:41] Speaker: part of because because like,
so I do I do campaigns right.


[00:53:43 - 00:53:45] Speaker: There's an there's a huge industry there.


[00:53:45 - 00:53:49] Speaker: It happens every six months,
you know, and it's statewide.


[00:53:49 - 00:53:49] Speaker: It's local.


[00:53:49 - 00:53:53] Speaker: It's down to the your mayor
or your borough count there.


[00:53:53 - 00:53:58] Speaker: But there's this whole industry of TV buys
radio buys digital ads,


[00:53:58 - 00:54:02] Speaker: door hangers,
mail pieces of political consultants.


[00:54:02 - 00:54:06] Speaker: Because Pennsylvania campaign
finance is among the


[00:54:07 - 00:54:08] Speaker: loosest in the country.


[00:54:08 - 00:54:10] Speaker: So how do we curb that?


[00:54:10 - 00:54:12] Speaker: Do we need campaign finance reform? Yeah.


[00:54:12 - 00:54:13] Speaker: What would that look like?


[00:54:13 - 00:54:17] Speaker: It looks like talking a bunch of people
who are benefiting from campaign


[00:54:17 - 00:54:20] Speaker: finance in Pennsylvania
out of benefiting for it.


[00:54:20 - 00:54:22] Speaker: So talking them out of it


[00:54:22 - 00:54:26] Speaker: because it's going to take on it's
going to need to take a state law.


[00:54:26 - 00:54:28] Speaker: So what would the law say?


[00:54:28 - 00:54:29] Speaker: I'm all for it.


[00:54:29 - 00:54:31] Speaker: I just want to know the like
like what you have in mind, limits on.


[00:54:31 - 00:54:32] Speaker: Yeah, limits.


[00:54:32 - 00:54:35] Speaker: And then also limiting who could donate
and how much.


[00:54:35 - 00:54:36] Speaker: Well don't they make the claim


[00:54:36 - 00:54:38] Speaker: that that's a freedom of speech issue
because as Citizens United


[00:54:38 - 00:54:41] Speaker: and corporations
and stuff are now considered. Yeah, yeah.


[00:54:41 - 00:54:42] Speaker: And that is an argument.


[00:54:42 - 00:54:43] Speaker: But I think that's
what would call it what it is.


[00:54:43 - 00:54:45] Speaker: It's bullshit.
And it's just a way to buy a policy


[00:54:47 - 00:54:49] Speaker: determines who and what can donate.


[00:54:49 - 00:54:52] Speaker: They don't determine how much


[00:54:52 - 00:54:55] Speaker: there is a federal limit,
what a federal campaign finance.


[00:54:55 - 00:54:57] Speaker: There is a limit to what any one person.


[00:54:57 - 00:54:59] Speaker: We have a limit our city to run for mayor.


[00:54:59 - 00:55:00] Speaker: There's a limit.


[00:55:00 - 00:55:01] Speaker: Yeah, yeah.


[00:55:01 - 00:55:01] Speaker: Past there


[00:55:01 - 00:55:03] Speaker: I knew that,
but I only learned that this year


[00:55:03 - 00:55:04] Speaker: because, like,


[00:55:04 - 00:55:07] Speaker: I don't live in the city anymore,
and I wasn't paying attention


[00:55:07 - 00:55:09] Speaker: until right around the time
I moved out. Yeah.


[00:55:09 - 00:55:12] Speaker: Pay attention to the places
you don't live.


[00:55:13 - 00:55:14] Speaker: Yeah. Shame on you.


[00:55:14 - 00:55:16] Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah.


[00:55:16 - 00:55:18] Speaker: But, like, throw shame.


[00:55:18 - 00:55:19] Speaker: Yeah.


[00:55:19 - 00:55:22] Speaker: But, so I think that we should limit it.


[00:55:22 - 00:55:24] Speaker: There are other states
that do limit for their state housing.


[00:55:24 - 00:55:26] Speaker: They are far better represented.


[00:55:26 - 00:55:28] Speaker: You know, I think. Is it Virginia?


[00:55:28 - 00:55:29] Speaker: I don't know. I'm looking at you.


[00:55:29 - 00:55:30] Speaker: I don't know why I Google.


[00:55:30 - 00:55:31] Speaker: You're my Google for that. Sorry.


[00:55:31 - 00:55:34] Speaker: I can't remember what state it is,
but it's like $1,200.


[00:55:35 - 00:55:36] Speaker: You have $1,200.


[00:55:36 - 00:55:39] Speaker: And that's like as an individual
as an individual running at state level


[00:55:40 - 00:55:42] Speaker: for, for,
like an assembly seat, not necessarily.


[00:55:42 - 00:55:45] Speaker: I don't know what their governor has.
Yeah.


[00:55:45 - 00:55:48] Speaker: I, I cap how much work have you have you
look at you go talk to your constituents.


[00:55:48 - 00:55:49] Speaker: Go talk to them.


[00:55:49 - 00:55:53] Speaker: But it also gives regular people
like people like we typically don't run


[00:55:53 - 00:55:55] Speaker: because we don't have the money.


[00:55:55 - 00:55:56] Speaker: Right. The networking for that.


[00:55:56 - 00:55:58] Speaker: You know, if you're a lawyer running,
you have all your lawyer


[00:55:58 - 00:56:01] Speaker: buddies chipping in, you know,
but if you're you're, you're


[00:56:01 - 00:56:04] Speaker: if you're not into that network
like poor people, no more people.


[00:56:04 - 00:56:06] Speaker: We get along with our own. Yeah.


[00:56:06 - 00:56:10] Speaker: Like if we have someone who's going
to donate us 25 bucks, like that means


[00:56:10 - 00:56:13] Speaker: a lot more than someone who has a massive
amount of money giving us 25 bucks.


[00:56:13 - 00:56:17] Speaker: But we also know that person is only going
to be able to donate that one time.


[00:56:17 - 00:56:20] Speaker: And we all get it,
because that's where we all sit,


[00:56:20 - 00:56:23] Speaker: and that's where the disparity comes in
with, you know, the ability for each.


[00:56:23 - 00:56:27] Speaker: Because if you have someone that's like,
you know, affluent in their career,


[00:56:27 - 00:56:29] Speaker: knows all the people they're born
in, we'll call it


[00:56:29 - 00:56:31] Speaker: privilege because, I mean, like,
that's what it is.


[00:56:31 - 00:56:33] Speaker: And, you know, all these wealthy people,
you get unlimited funds


[00:56:33 - 00:56:37] Speaker: to market yourself and platform yourself
when you're


[00:56:38 - 00:56:40] Speaker: when you're in poverty
and you're calling these people,


[00:56:40 - 00:56:42] Speaker: most people are connected,
especially in this area.


[00:56:42 - 00:56:44] Speaker: So this one is that one
that there was that one.


[00:56:44 - 00:56:44] Speaker: Yeah.


[00:56:44 - 00:56:45] Speaker: You can't swing a dead


[00:56:45 - 00:56:47] Speaker: you can't swing a dead cat around here
without hitting somebody.


[00:56:47 - 00:56:48] Speaker: You know, we're related to them.


[00:56:48 - 00:56:48] Speaker: Yeah.


[00:56:48 - 00:56:49] Speaker: Like, you know, they


[00:56:49 - 00:56:52] Speaker: they're not going to necessarily
donate to you or they'll,


[00:56:52 - 00:56:53] Speaker: they don't want to conflict of interest
or whatever.


[00:56:53 - 00:56:55] Speaker: Well, you don't have something
to give them in return.


[00:56:55 - 00:57:00] Speaker: See, I've seen
I've seen really successful campaigns


[00:57:00 - 00:57:05] Speaker: run just on the sweat
equity of volunteerism and not money.


[00:57:06 - 00:57:08] Speaker: You're looking at, you know,
and if you can get a if you can get, you


[00:57:08 - 00:57:11] Speaker: know, about a dozen people who,


[00:57:11 - 00:57:16] Speaker: who can really commit to for no paycheck
because they believe in it.


[00:57:16 - 00:57:18] Speaker: I mean, I think you can get real efficacy
out of that.


[00:57:18 - 00:57:20] Speaker: And, you know,
that's something that you can't buy.


[00:57:20 - 00:57:22] Speaker: You can't buy people
who are committed to it.


[00:57:22 - 00:57:24] Speaker: So it's money or labor, right?


[00:57:24 - 00:57:26] Speaker: But I think there should be a cap on
the money, because I do think


[00:57:27 - 00:57:28] Speaker: I think so too.


[00:57:28 - 00:57:30] Speaker: I just
I just don't know where the needle goes.


[00:57:30 - 00:57:33] Speaker: I don't know, like what's enough?


[00:57:33 - 00:57:36] Speaker: What isn't enough,
what's too much raised like hers.


[00:57:36 - 00:57:38] Speaker: I would take cap it
at 100,000 at the most.


[00:57:38 - 00:57:40] Speaker: Oh my goodness,
there's there's a thousand.


[00:57:40 - 00:57:43] Speaker: That's way
too much for any one person. Come.


[00:57:43 - 00:57:45] Speaker: There's going to be there's,


[00:57:45 - 00:57:47] Speaker: there's, there's there's going to
there's state races in this area


[00:57:47 - 00:57:50] Speaker: that between the two candidates,
they're going to spend $8 million.


[00:57:50 - 00:57:51] Speaker: Yeah. Yeah.


[00:57:51 - 00:57:55] Speaker: Well I'm saying I so I Roberson's
campaign is going to be $80 million.


[00:57:55 - 00:57:56] Speaker: Yeah. Millions.


[00:57:56 - 00:57:59] Speaker: But I mean, just running TV ads alone,
you're talking about like, easily


[00:57:59 - 00:58:00] Speaker: 20 grand.


[00:58:00 - 00:58:03] Speaker: I mean, we did it real cheap for ten grand
during the last primary.


[00:58:03 - 00:58:06] Speaker: But if your opponent isn't running TV ads
because they're


[00:58:06 - 00:58:10] Speaker: also on the same budget as you,
then we don't need as many TV, I guess.


[00:58:10 - 00:58:11] Speaker: Like what for that?


[00:58:11 - 00:58:12] Speaker: Like, say like a 50,000?


[00:58:12 - 00:58:15] Speaker: Like, I think you'd have to have it
so you'd get enough.


[00:58:15 - 00:58:16] Speaker: Well, I mean, I mean, I don't think


[00:58:16 - 00:58:19] Speaker: we're going to figure it out today,
but like, hey everybody get a pen.


[00:58:20 - 00:58:23] Speaker: So I did, I did, I did,


[00:58:24 - 00:58:27] Speaker: I'm a, I'm a big RFK fan.


[00:58:27 - 00:58:31] Speaker: And the day he dropped out that morning,


[00:58:31 - 00:58:35] Speaker: I was, up a Republican
PAC asked me to be in an ad,


[00:58:36 - 00:58:39] Speaker: and I was down in the Outer
Banks with my buddy, and I said, no.


[00:58:40 - 00:58:43] Speaker: And then Robert
Kennedy dropped out that morning,


[00:58:43 - 00:58:47] Speaker: and I watched his, whatever you call it,
concession or whatever.


[00:58:47 - 00:58:51] Speaker: And he said, we need to love our children
more than we hate each other.


[00:58:52 - 00:58:55] Speaker: And I called them back and I said,
all right,


[00:58:55 - 00:58:58] Speaker: I'll do the ad,
because that was just so profound to me.


[00:58:59 - 00:59:02] Speaker: And when I went and shot
the ad and I do media


[00:59:02 - 00:59:05] Speaker: and I said, I asked them the budget


[00:59:05 - 00:59:08] Speaker: and the budget to shoot, it was $60,000.


[00:59:08 - 00:59:10] Speaker: And it was just
basically an interview stuff.


[00:59:11 - 00:59:12] Speaker: And then they


[00:59:12 - 00:59:15] Speaker: go, but then there's a $1.4
million media buy


[00:59:16 - 00:59:19] Speaker: either buy on the airtime in
and that's and that's and what you don't


[00:59:19 - 00:59:23] Speaker: know is like the ad agencies get something
called an agency fee, which is 15%.


[00:59:23 - 00:59:27] Speaker: So if you make $1 million TV buy,
you're getting 150 grand


[00:59:27 - 00:59:29] Speaker: just for making a phone call.


[00:59:29 - 00:59:31] Speaker: And that's why there's this huge industry


[00:59:31 - 00:59:35] Speaker: there of people who are like,
they don't care who the candidate is.


[00:59:36 - 00:59:39] Speaker: You know, they don't like, I can't.


[00:59:39 - 00:59:43] Speaker: I find it incredibly hard to work
for people I don't believe in, and I don't


[00:59:43 - 00:59:46] Speaker: I don't want to take their money
because I'm not going to give them 100%.


[00:59:46 - 00:59:47] Speaker: But that's just me.


[00:59:47 - 00:59:49] Speaker: I'm the needle in the haystack
that thinks that.


[00:59:49 - 00:59:55] Speaker: Yeah, all campaigns, every one of their
candidates, I you have to, you have to.


[00:59:55 - 00:59:59] Speaker: But the money is
the money is a big, big, big part of it.


[00:59:59 - 01:00:01] Speaker: I, that's huge and it's very hard.


[01:00:01 - 01:00:03] Speaker: And, you know,
the media companies don't like


[01:00:04 - 01:00:08] Speaker: the prices change depending on
what kind of election, right?


[01:00:08 - 01:00:09] Speaker: Yes.


[01:00:09 - 01:00:13] Speaker: We never would have been able to afford
commercials for the general election in 24


[01:00:13 - 01:00:16] Speaker: because we were going up
against the presidential money.


[01:00:16 - 01:00:18] Speaker: You you have to do digital.


[01:00:18 - 01:00:21] Speaker: It's no, no, I mean,
like for the next one, like buy early,


[01:00:22 - 01:00:23] Speaker: get your real estate


[01:00:23 - 01:00:26] Speaker: and then get in there so you can at least
at least compete with that.


[01:00:26 - 01:00:27] Speaker: And now who now?


[01:00:27 - 01:00:31] Speaker: So speaking of that money
spent that campaign money.


[01:00:31 - 01:00:34] Speaker: And I'm going to get us
the data centers real quick.


[01:00:36 - 01:00:39] Speaker: Do you know, do you know who
the largest single contributor


[01:00:39 - 01:00:42] Speaker: is to Josh Shapiro?


[01:00:42 - 01:00:46] Speaker: I do not like a personal donation,
a private donation,


[01:00:46 - 01:00:51] Speaker: a doctor from California,
a female doctor from California.


[01:00:51 - 01:00:52] Speaker: Do you know how much money she gave?


[01:00:52 - 01:00:55] Speaker: $6 million.


[01:00:55 - 01:00:57] Speaker: I want to be governor now. Why would now?


[01:00:57 - 01:00:59] Speaker: Why would now?


[01:00:59 - 01:01:01] Speaker: I think we have a governor now.
Why would it?


[01:01:01 - 01:01:06] Speaker: Why would a female doctor make a, like, 
an individual donation of $6 million


[01:01:06 - 01:01:07] Speaker: to Josh Shapiro?


[01:01:07 - 01:01:10] Speaker: Well, same reason Jeffrey Ellis probably
does it to the Republicans, right?


[01:01:10 - 01:01:13] Speaker: They have an agenda. Well, yeah.


[01:01:13 - 01:01:16] Speaker: Her husband is like the CEO of,
like a data center


[01:01:17 - 01:01:20] Speaker: conglomerate where they build data
centers, like, all over the place.


[01:01:21 - 01:01:22] Speaker: Yeah. So.


[01:01:25 - 01:01:26] Speaker: How did you do that?


[01:01:26 - 01:01:28] Speaker: Just like it go,


[01:01:28 - 01:01:30] Speaker: it's public knowledge on his campaign.


[01:01:30 - 01:01:32] Speaker: Yep, yep.


[01:01:32 - 01:01:34] Speaker: How did you guys.


[01:01:34 - 01:01:37] Speaker: What's going on
with the data centers down by you guys?


[01:01:39 - 01:01:41] Speaker: Who's the pro on this?


[01:01:41 - 01:01:42] Speaker: Shannon?


[01:01:42 - 01:01:45] Speaker: I hacker, pro.


[01:01:45 - 01:01:47] Speaker: And I don't know everything.


[01:01:47 - 01:01:48] Speaker: I mean, there's too much.


[01:01:48 - 01:01:50] Speaker: There's too much to know, too.
Jamie, though.


[01:01:50 - 01:01:51] Speaker: Walsh.


[01:01:51 - 01:01:55] Speaker: For all the work he's done in this area
and, like, just to say, like that man


[01:01:55 - 01:01:59] Speaker: has done
a lot of research and has been and engine


[01:02:00 - 01:02:02] Speaker: up against everything
because this is a bipartisan thing.


[01:02:02 - 01:02:05] Speaker: Like it's not bipartisan with the people,
but man, it is in the legislature.


[01:02:05 - 01:02:06] Speaker: And any time


[01:02:06 - 01:02:09] Speaker: they get along because of the current
political environment, we have red flag.


[01:02:10 - 01:02:13] Speaker: Like if they're if they can't agree
that truth.


[01:02:13 - 01:02:14] Speaker: Yeah.


[01:02:14 - 01:02:18] Speaker: Why are they agreeing on and and 
and you know, the payments


[01:02:18 - 01:02:18] Speaker: and you know, the payment


[01:02:18 - 01:02:22] Speaker: that Jamie's getting for his standing up
for all this a primary challenger.


[01:02:22 - 01:02:24] Speaker: Oh, yeah. Well, of course,
I mean, that's expensive.


[01:02:24 - 01:02:26] Speaker: We're getting primary.
That's what they do.


[01:02:26 - 01:02:27] Speaker: Any any.


[01:02:27 - 01:02:29] Speaker: I find that
anytime you have someone who's actually


[01:02:29 - 01:02:30] Speaker: for the people,
they scramble to find some money.


[01:02:30 - 01:02:33] Speaker: Yes, they do, yes they do.


[01:02:34 - 01:02:36] Speaker: But, so Dallas Township,


[01:02:36 - 01:02:40] Speaker: we do not have any current proposals
for data centers yet.


[01:02:40 - 01:02:42] Speaker: Right. Current. I said,


[01:02:43 - 01:02:44] Speaker: that we know of.


[01:02:44 - 01:02:48] Speaker: I mean, at least that's what the official
stance of our supervisory board is.


[01:02:49 - 01:02:54] Speaker: And so what they're doing is proposing,
zoning amendment, an ordinance amendment


[01:02:54 - 01:02:57] Speaker: to put guardrails in for them,
because that is the best that we can do.


[01:02:57 - 01:03:00] Speaker: We're not allowed to say no,
we can't have them.


[01:03:00 - 01:03:01] Speaker: The state can.


[01:03:01 - 01:03:04] Speaker: Just putting that out there.
The state can ban them.


[01:03:04 - 01:03:05] Speaker: Good luck.


[01:03:05 - 01:03:07] Speaker: Considering the current makeup
of the legislature. Well, they don't.


[01:03:07 - 01:03:10] Speaker: The president wants them,
the governor wants them.


[01:03:10 - 01:03:13] Speaker: The senators want them, and
most of the elected officials want them,


[01:03:13 - 01:03:16] Speaker: which is strange. Stranger.


[01:03:16 - 01:03:19] Speaker: If I was right, I follow the money.


[01:03:20 - 01:03:25] Speaker: So the best that we can do,
it's up to the municipalities now,


[01:03:25 - 01:03:27] Speaker: and it's up to them
to put the restrictions on.


[01:03:27 - 01:03:31] Speaker: And they walk a fine line,
because if it's too strict,


[01:03:31 - 01:03:34] Speaker: then developers can sue us for saying
that we're being exclusionary.


[01:03:34 - 01:03:37] Speaker: And if it's not strict enough,
it could really harm the people,


[01:03:37 - 01:03:38] Speaker: whether it is,


[01:03:38 - 01:03:42] Speaker: you know, with the the lighting
or the noise or our ecosystem, like,


[01:03:42 - 01:03:45] Speaker: there's there's a lot of harm
that could come with these things.


[01:03:45 - 01:03:48] Speaker: And so with the municipalities
can regulate all of that,


[01:03:48 - 01:03:50] Speaker: you know, with their setbacks.


[01:03:50 - 01:03:52] Speaker: And for now, for now,


[01:03:53 - 01:03:54] Speaker: and so there was a


[01:03:54 - 01:03:57] Speaker: proposal, and we did have the month read.


[01:03:57 - 01:03:59] Speaker: It was 17 pages long,


[01:03:59 - 01:04:02] Speaker: and it honestly looked like it was copied
and pasted from several


[01:04:02 - 01:04:04] Speaker: different ordinances from the area.


[01:04:04 - 01:04:06] Speaker: And they did cover a lot of ground,
but a lot of it,


[01:04:06 - 01:04:10] Speaker: I thought it could use some improvements.


[01:04:10 - 01:04:11] Speaker: There's always room for improvement. Yeah.


[01:04:11 - 01:04:15] Speaker: Like the setback
that they had offered was 200ft.


[01:04:15 - 01:04:19] Speaker: That's that's that's 66 yards
for all you football fans out there.


[01:04:19 - 01:04:20] Speaker: It ain't that far.


[01:04:20 - 01:04:22] Speaker: You can't discharge a firearm
unless you're like three.


[01:04:22 - 01:04:25] Speaker: I think it is at three football fields
away from your neighbor.


[01:04:25 - 01:04:26] Speaker: You have to ask permission in order to.


[01:04:26 - 01:04:29] Speaker: Because I was gonna shoot the groundhog
in my yard.


[01:04:29 - 01:04:31] Speaker: Okay,
but you can't if your neighbors are fine.


[01:04:31 - 01:04:32] Speaker: I want to go live by you.


[01:04:35 - 01:04:37] Speaker: And I'm gonna sell you.


[01:04:37 - 01:04:38] Speaker: So 200.


[01:04:38 - 01:04:42] Speaker: So 200ft is a lot shorter than people
realize it is.


[01:04:43 - 01:04:44] Speaker: And they agree with that.


[01:04:44 - 01:04:46] Speaker: And then when they had the public hearing,


[01:04:46 - 01:04:49] Speaker: they said, okay, well,
we're going to expand that to 2000ft,


[01:04:50 - 01:04:52] Speaker: which I think from residential,
it should be 2500.


[01:04:52 - 01:04:55] Speaker: And then I could see lowering it
for agricultural


[01:04:55 - 01:04:58] Speaker: and then, you know, again
for our wetlands and whatnot.


[01:04:59 - 01:05:04] Speaker: But they said 2000
and then they just released it yesterday.


[01:05:04 - 01:05:08] Speaker: Yes, it was yesterday,
the day before the upgrades on it.


[01:05:08 - 01:05:12] Speaker: And now it says that it's going for 300,
which it never was in the first place.


[01:05:12 - 01:05:15] Speaker: So where'd that come from to 500?


[01:05:15 - 01:05:17] Speaker: Even though they told us
they were going to do 2000 on the record.


[01:05:17 - 01:05:19] Speaker: Now who's they?


[01:05:19 - 01:05:21] Speaker: The supervisory
board of township supervisors.


[01:05:22 - 01:05:23] Speaker: So I just had


[01:05:23 - 01:05:26] Speaker: Jamie Walsh on and John Zola,
I don't know if you know John.


[01:05:26 - 01:05:31] Speaker: He's they want to put a 500 kV line
on his property 100ft away from the house


[01:05:31 - 01:05:34] Speaker: that he built for his daughter
and his grandkids.


[01:05:35 - 01:05:36] Speaker: Sweetwater.


[01:05:36 - 01:05:38] Speaker: Sugarloaf. Sugarloaf.


[01:05:38 - 01:05:39] Speaker: Yeah, yeah. Sugarloaf.


[01:05:39 - 01:05:41] Speaker: Alliance against the line.


[01:05:41 - 01:05:43] Speaker: That's those guys.


[01:05:43 - 01:05:46] Speaker: And then I started looking into,


[01:05:46 - 01:05:52] Speaker: EMF radiation and the minimum safe
distance for 500 kV lines


[01:05:52 - 01:05:56] Speaker: is 250 yards on each side,
which is 500 yards.


[01:05:56 - 01:06:00] Speaker: Otherwise, you know, look, I'm
a big believer


[01:06:00 - 01:06:03] Speaker: in spirituality and frequency and all that
and energy and all that stuff.


[01:06:03 - 01:06:06] Speaker: And your body is 75% water.


[01:06:07 - 01:06:11] Speaker: EMF really affects the cells in your body
in a negative way.


[01:06:12 - 01:06:17] Speaker: That means wildlife, plants
and especially grandchildren.


[01:06:17 - 01:06:21] Speaker: So that's why,
you know, I have an issue with that.


[01:06:22 - 01:06:25] Speaker: The how did you get involved in this?


[01:06:25 - 01:06:28] Speaker: Because it seems like you're really


[01:06:28 - 01:06:31] Speaker: not if you want the data centers done
correctly, if at all.


[01:06:33 - 01:06:35] Speaker: I just feel very passionate about this.


[01:06:35 - 01:06:38] Speaker: I popped up out of nowhere.
It always does.


[01:06:38 - 01:06:42] Speaker: I felt like it said, and as I said,
I've been working on for eons campaign.


[01:06:42 - 01:06:46] Speaker: And, it's something that we've talked
about in our group, this data center,


[01:06:46 - 01:06:49] Speaker: things happening or this,
you know, township meetings.


[01:06:49 - 01:06:52] Speaker: So when we started talking about it for
and then


[01:06:52 - 01:06:55] Speaker: and I kind of like dove in behind her,


[01:06:56 - 01:07:00] Speaker: she's too humble to say it, but she's
been, like, working, staying up at night,


[01:07:00 - 01:07:03] Speaker: researching everything,
calling people from other municipalities.


[01:07:04 - 01:07:07] Speaker: She researched, researched researches
day and night and like,


[01:07:07 - 01:07:10] Speaker: wrote eight pages of proposed amendments
to to the amendment.


[01:07:10 - 01:07:12] Speaker: The amendment through both


[01:07:13 - 01:07:15] Speaker: she worked extremely hard on this.


[01:07:15 - 01:07:17] Speaker: So I just, you know, following
following in the footsteps.


[01:07:17 - 01:07:20] Speaker: But I just really got into it
and researching it.


[01:07:20 - 01:07:22] Speaker: I don't want it in my town.


[01:07:22 - 01:07:23] Speaker: I don't want it to affect my kids.


[01:07:23 - 01:07:27] Speaker: I'm a mom of two, and,
we worked really hard on our house.


[01:07:28 - 01:07:29] Speaker: Yeah.


[01:07:29 - 01:07:32] Speaker: I don't want a little I don't want my
my property value to go down.


[01:07:32 - 01:07:34] Speaker: It'll go to zero.


[01:07:34 - 01:07:36] Speaker: Yeah. Utility bills or utility bills.


[01:07:36 - 01:07:41] Speaker: I want to enjoy the life
that we built for ourselves and our kids.


[01:07:42 - 01:07:44] Speaker: And anything that threatens
that is a threat to me.


[01:07:44 - 01:07:46] Speaker: And I'm going to research it
and figure out what I could do.


[01:07:46 - 01:07:49] Speaker: So, like going into this
and diving into this,


[01:07:50 - 01:07:51] Speaker: I want to ask you, because you have notes.


[01:07:52 - 01:07:53] Speaker: That's hard.


[01:07:53 - 01:07:53] Speaker: They have lots of.


[01:07:53 - 01:07:55] Speaker: Yeah, yeah.


[01:07:55 - 01:07:58] Speaker: So so so walk me through here.


[01:07:58 - 01:08:00] Speaker: Like what what what's affecting you.


[01:08:00 - 01:08:01] Speaker: Like what?


[01:08:01 - 01:08:04] Speaker: What is what is going to happen
down by you guys?


[01:08:04 - 01:08:06] Speaker: And bring that my closer. Don't be afraid.


[01:08:06 - 01:08:06] Speaker: Yeah.


[01:08:06 - 01:08:09] Speaker: There's, two zones right now.


[01:08:09 - 01:08:11] Speaker: Is this industrial or is this. Yeah.


[01:08:11 - 01:08:12] Speaker: Thank you.


[01:08:12 - 01:08:15] Speaker: That potentially data centers
could be put on in Dallas Township.


[01:08:16 - 01:08:18] Speaker: But Dallas Township is only.


[01:08:18 - 01:08:20] Speaker: How wide is it to 19.2mi²?


[01:08:20 - 01:08:22] Speaker: 19.2mi².


[01:08:22 - 01:08:25] Speaker: Massive everywhere.


[01:08:25 - 01:08:27] Speaker: But you're going to throw a rock
and hit at like.


[01:08:27 - 01:08:29] Speaker: Yeah.


[01:08:29 - 01:08:33] Speaker: You know, I think both of the areas
are very close to the high school.


[01:08:33 - 01:08:37] Speaker: I which is all the schools
almost together.


[01:08:37 - 01:08:39] Speaker: Yeah. It's it's not.


[01:08:39 - 01:08:41] Speaker: Yeah. Well, we, we went down to Ashburn,
Loudoun counties like that.


[01:08:41 - 01:08:43] Speaker: They wanted to put
they wanted to put it through


[01:08:43 - 01:08:45] Speaker: residential neighborhoods
just because the school said no.


[01:08:46 - 01:08:47] Speaker: Like the


[01:08:47 - 01:08:51] Speaker: map, the the map for the power lines
is the weirdest thing you've ever seen it.


[01:08:51 - 01:08:53] Speaker: It's like a zigzag of things
just because the school was like.


[01:08:53 - 01:08:55] Speaker: And also.


[01:08:55 - 01:08:59] Speaker: Yes, so so what they're doing is,
is they're getting the land deal for the


[01:08:59 - 01:09:01] Speaker: for the data center,
and then they're figuring out


[01:09:01 - 01:09:03] Speaker: how to get the utilities there afterwards


[01:09:03 - 01:09:05] Speaker: after they get it
all figured out in Berwick.


[01:09:05 - 01:09:09] Speaker: And that's why they were trying to take
people's property with eminent domain,


[01:09:09 - 01:09:12] Speaker: and they were offering them
just fair market value for your house.


[01:09:12 - 01:09:14] Speaker: This is sorry. This is where people.


[01:09:14 - 01:09:15] Speaker: Yeah, we have to do this now.


[01:09:15 - 01:09:17] Speaker: This is where it's going.
Period. End of story.


[01:09:17 - 01:09:20] Speaker: It was an afterthought
for that for them too.


[01:09:20 - 01:09:22] Speaker: It doesn't
you know, how does it affect them.


[01:09:23 - 01:09:24] Speaker: So yeah.


[01:09:24 - 01:09:26] Speaker: And and that's
part of what you can put in the proposal.


[01:09:26 - 01:09:27] Speaker: Like how are you going to power it.


[01:09:27 - 01:09:29] Speaker: Where are you going to get the water from
or what are you going to do with it.


[01:09:29 - 01:09:32] Speaker: And this questions
need to be asked ahead of time. Yeah.


[01:09:32 - 01:09:36] Speaker: So I mean and those are things that we can
require them to tell us beforehand.


[01:09:36 - 01:09:38] Speaker: Do they not tell. Do they not tell you?


[01:09:38 - 01:09:41] Speaker: That's I think she added a lot of that
to the amendment.


[01:09:41 - 01:09:42] Speaker: And also like, did you studies?


[01:09:42 - 01:09:45] Speaker: But the studies are going to be
at the cost of the taxpayer money.


[01:09:46 - 01:09:47] Speaker: It would have to be that
company coming in.


[01:09:47 - 01:09:49] Speaker: We'd have to do A, B and C.


[01:09:49 - 01:09:52] Speaker: Do you know how much power do you normally
do you only houses one building's


[01:09:52 - 01:09:53] Speaker: worth of power. Can power


[01:09:54 - 01:09:57] Speaker: so many powers in one okay.


[01:09:58 - 01:09:59] Speaker: So one.


[01:09:59 - 01:10:00] Speaker: So one data center buildings.


[01:10:00 - 01:10:03] Speaker: You know how many homes that could power?


[01:10:03 - 01:10:03] Speaker: What?


[01:10:03 - 01:10:06] Speaker: What is the amperage
that they use? Exactly.


[01:10:06 - 01:10:07] Speaker: What's the megawatts? Right.


[01:10:07 - 01:10:09] Speaker: So so one data center.


[01:10:09 - 01:10:11] Speaker: I just did a podcast with this
with my buddy Bailey.


[01:10:11 - 01:10:15] Speaker: He's a he's like an AI tech like this.


[01:10:15 - 01:10:18] Speaker: This kid is ten times
smarter than anybody in this room.


[01:10:18 - 01:10:21] Speaker: Times ten super, super smart guy.


[01:10:22 - 01:10:25] Speaker: Yes, yes.


[01:10:25 - 01:10:26] Speaker: I'm losing you.


[01:10:26 - 01:10:27] Speaker: You got.


[01:10:27 - 01:10:29] Speaker: Yeah. Microphones, 32,000kW.


[01:10:29 - 01:10:30] Speaker: You're at a house.


[01:10:30 - 01:10:33] Speaker: So it's it's anywhere from 25.


[01:10:33 - 01:10:35] Speaker: It's depending on the size
of the building.


[01:10:35 - 01:10:37] Speaker: It's 25,000 100,000 homes per building.


[01:10:37 - 01:10:38] Speaker: That's how much power goes in there.


[01:10:38 - 01:10:40] Speaker: You know, I had to put it in this.


[01:10:40 - 01:10:42] Speaker: Yeah. Solar power in my head. So.


[01:10:42 - 01:10:46] Speaker: And that's the thing about the data
centers is, is that on the grid,


[01:10:46 - 01:10:49] Speaker: the data center has, priority.


[01:10:50 - 01:10:53] Speaker: So if our power goes out,
they go on that first.


[01:10:53 - 01:10:55] Speaker: So if our power goes out. Yes.


[01:10:55 - 01:10:58] Speaker: And some of our elderly,
we have a pretty big elderly population.


[01:10:58 - 01:11:00] Speaker: And I don't want to be cold.


[01:11:00 - 01:11:02] Speaker: So I mean,
I don't want to be elderly, right.


[01:11:02 - 01:11:05] Speaker: But they're on all kinds of machines
to help them survive,


[01:11:05 - 01:11:07] Speaker: and they're not going to be able
to power them away


[01:11:07 - 01:11:10] Speaker: so we can power this fire hazard,
because that's why it takes priority.


[01:11:10 - 01:11:11] Speaker: Yeah.


[01:11:11 - 01:11:14] Speaker: So they can power their water cycle
to go through because it is a fire hazard.


[01:11:14 - 01:11:16] Speaker: Why are we building known fire hazards?


[01:11:17 - 01:11:18] Speaker: Well, I was just at the


[01:11:18 - 01:11:21] Speaker: ransom one, and they didn't have a plan
for the emergency response.


[01:11:22 - 01:11:24] Speaker: That was one of the things that they did
have.


[01:11:24 - 01:11:28] Speaker: But I wanted our people to be
the ones to go through and finalize it,


[01:11:28 - 01:11:33] Speaker: because we can't let them tell you
they are the ones who know what we have.


[01:11:33 - 01:11:35] Speaker: We're going to be the ones
responding to it.


[01:11:35 - 01:11:38] Speaker: We know. We know what our resources are.


[01:11:38 - 01:11:40] Speaker: These developers
don't know what our resources are.


[01:11:40 - 01:11:42] Speaker: And I think it's more than fair
to include them.


[01:11:42 - 01:11:43] Speaker: And they do it to our township's credit.


[01:11:43 - 01:11:45] Speaker: That was something that I requested,
and they did put it in there.


[01:11:45 - 01:11:46] Speaker: That's there.


[01:11:46 - 01:11:50] Speaker: And as Jamie Walsh
said, the secrecy behind all of this is


[01:11:50 - 01:11:51] Speaker: what's really problematic,


[01:11:51 - 01:11:54] Speaker: because when you don't know what's going
on, you can't solve it.


[01:11:54 - 01:11:58] Speaker: And, that's exactly what we were trying
to put into there


[01:11:58 - 01:12:00] Speaker: with all of the amendments.


[01:12:00 - 01:12:05] Speaker: Tell us how much, our, our electricity
costs are going to go up, do a study.


[01:12:05 - 01:12:06] Speaker: It has to be on you.


[01:12:06 - 01:12:08] Speaker: You pay for it.
I mean, it already went up due to.


[01:12:08 - 01:12:11] Speaker: I was like off of our grid, down
to like what?


[01:12:11 - 01:12:13] Speaker: Virginia. Virginia. Maryland.


[01:12:13 - 01:12:15] Speaker: We are we are the
I think were the main producers.


[01:12:15 - 01:12:18] Speaker: Virginia, Maryland
don't produce their own energy.


[01:12:18 - 01:12:19] Speaker: So we give it to them.


[01:12:19 - 01:12:22] Speaker: And then when the infrastructure
to give them the power comes,


[01:12:23 - 01:12:26] Speaker: it's on your bill and is an uncanny
that they just talked about


[01:12:26 - 01:12:30] Speaker: privatizing utility and not having them
public at the same time as this, which,


[01:12:31 - 01:12:34] Speaker: you know, to me,
as you want to profit here


[01:12:34 - 01:12:37] Speaker: because there would be no well,
I'm at both at the same time, too.


[01:12:37 - 01:12:41] Speaker: It's it's the PUC can basically violate
the state constitution if they want to.


[01:12:41 - 01:12:44] Speaker: Right. And then which is crazy.


[01:12:44 - 01:12:47] Speaker: Yeah. It's suspicious of everyone even


[01:12:48 - 01:12:49] Speaker: welcome to be.


[01:12:49 - 01:12:50] Speaker: Well, Shannon.


[01:12:50 - 01:12:53] Speaker: Welcome to be an American or.


[01:12:53 - 01:12:54] Speaker: Wait, you're Shannon. Yes.


[01:12:54 - 01:12:57] Speaker: Son of a bitch.


[01:12:57 - 01:12:59] Speaker: But yeah, it does matter to me.


[01:12:59 - 01:13:03] Speaker: You combine all of our names
and just get the one for.


[01:13:03 - 01:13:05] Speaker: For Hannah. For Hannah. Shannon.


[01:13:05 - 01:13:08] Speaker: Oh, that's. Yeah.


[01:13:08 - 01:13:10] Speaker: But one of the things I think that
when you're looking at strategy,


[01:13:10 - 01:13:13] Speaker: when you're fighting
any of these local lake ordinances,


[01:13:13 - 01:13:17] Speaker: you know, and not at the state level,
like, if you were doing it at state.


[01:13:17 - 01:13:20] Speaker: I think he's got a local, too.


[01:13:20 - 01:13:22] Speaker: Well, Jamie's Jamie's
going to the villages in the boroughs


[01:13:22 - 01:13:25] Speaker: that are in his district,
and he's fighting for them there.


[01:13:25 - 01:13:28] Speaker: You can't write exclusionary language,
but you can make it such a headache


[01:13:29 - 01:13:32] Speaker: for them to want to come there
that they're going to say not


[01:13:32 - 01:13:34] Speaker: they're gonna say
not right to high maintenance.


[01:13:34 - 01:13:37] Speaker: Well, it's it's, What is it?


[01:13:37 - 01:13:38] Speaker: The offer.


[01:13:38 - 01:13:39] Speaker: It's like.


[01:13:39 - 01:13:40] Speaker: It's like an offer they'll never accept.


[01:13:40 - 01:13:42] Speaker: But you still make the offer.


[01:13:42 - 01:13:44] Speaker: That's what you want to do.
And that's basically. So.


[01:13:44 - 01:13:46] Speaker: I know when we're talking,
we sound like, oh, we're just, regulating.


[01:13:46 - 01:13:47] Speaker: We're cool with them. But that's not it.


[01:13:47 - 01:13:52] Speaker: It's it's we're going to put all these
things in place, and it protects them.


[01:13:52 - 01:13:53] Speaker: Oh, yeah. The community.


[01:13:53 - 01:13:56] Speaker: I have no problem going on the record
to say I don't want these things right.


[01:13:56 - 01:13:58] Speaker: And not just not in my backyard.
I don't want them at all. Right?


[01:13:58 - 01:14:01] Speaker: Because I don't like me
for the same reasons.


[01:14:01 - 01:14:02] Speaker: I don't want them in my neighborhood.


[01:14:02 - 01:14:03] Speaker: I don't want them in other people's
neighborhoods,


[01:14:03 - 01:14:06] Speaker: like, you know, stating that,
you know, as a representative,


[01:14:06 - 01:14:09] Speaker: the job that I'm applying for,
you represent the people in your district.


[01:14:09 - 01:14:12] Speaker: Yes, but that doesn't mean
you want terrible things for other people.


[01:14:12 - 01:14:13] Speaker: Yeah.


[01:14:13 - 01:14:17] Speaker: And I think that it's a real shame
that the people have been coming out


[01:14:17 - 01:14:20] Speaker: in full force against these data centers,
and the state


[01:14:20 - 01:14:23] Speaker: legislature has the power to say, no,
we don't want them in our state.


[01:14:23 - 01:14:27] Speaker: Well, now, what you're doing at the state
level and they're backtracking.


[01:14:27 - 01:14:28] Speaker: They're both.


[01:14:28 - 01:14:31] Speaker: Now they're trying to pass, a law
stating


[01:14:31 - 01:14:34] Speaker: that they could override
municipal ordinances.


[01:14:34 - 01:14:35] Speaker: That's a Senate bill, right?


[01:14:35 - 01:14:38] Speaker: Bill 939 and it's not necessarily
there's one of the House as well.


[01:14:38 - 01:14:42] Speaker: I thought, there's a couple, but 
I know there's one in the House as well.


[01:14:42 - 01:14:44] Speaker: I have the numbers written down somewhere,
but whatever. Go ahead.


[01:14:44 - 01:14:45] Speaker: Senate Bill 939.


[01:14:45 - 01:14:47] Speaker: What part of what it does.


[01:14:47 - 01:14:49] Speaker: I'm sorry. Don't be sorry.


[01:14:49 - 01:14:52] Speaker: Is it makes it so.


[01:14:52 - 01:14:55] Speaker: But doesn't it
form like a new DEP type thing?


[01:14:55 - 01:15:00] Speaker: It makes it so you can't put
any more restrictions on data centers


[01:15:00 - 01:15:03] Speaker: than you do any other kind of building
that's in your municipality.


[01:15:04 - 01:15:06] Speaker: So they're not allowed to be more strict.


[01:15:06 - 01:15:09] Speaker: So it's stripping power away
from the small local government.


[01:15:09 - 01:15:12] Speaker: So do you think that, like the people
bringing the like,


[01:15:12 - 01:15:14] Speaker: do you think that like
where do you think this leads?


[01:15:14 - 01:15:16] Speaker: Like where do you think like
in other words,


[01:15:16 - 01:15:19] Speaker: like if I lived in Detroit
in the beginning of the 20th century


[01:15:20 - 01:15:20] Speaker: and they're like, oh,


[01:15:20 - 01:15:24] Speaker: we're going to put this manufacturing
plant here for vehicles.


[01:15:25 - 01:15:28] Speaker: And I go, well,
where is this going to lead?


[01:15:28 - 01:15:32] Speaker: Where do you think the data centers lead
in like ten years, 15 years?


[01:15:32 - 01:15:33] Speaker: What do you think's
what do you think's in those buildings.


[01:15:33 - 01:15:36] Speaker: Is it still data centers or are they
do they all skip town?


[01:15:37 - 01:15:40] Speaker: I mean I mean if you look at the pattern
any itself answered right.


[01:15:41 - 01:15:43] Speaker: Like we're the automobile industry now.


[01:15:43 - 01:15:44] Speaker: We're the coal mining things.


[01:15:44 - 01:15:46] Speaker: Who's cleaning them up where they left.
They're just abandoned.


[01:15:46 - 01:15:48] Speaker: The look for the townships
and burrows to clean up.


[01:15:49 - 01:15:50] Speaker: So it's almost like that.


[01:15:50 - 01:15:53] Speaker: This is inevitable, but for some people.


[01:15:53 - 01:15:57] Speaker: But we should find a way to make sure
it's not, Braddock,


[01:15:57 - 01:16:00] Speaker: Pennsylvania, when all the industry leaves
and all the jobs.


[01:16:00 - 01:16:02] Speaker: Well, there's no jobs for data centers.


[01:16:02 - 01:16:06] Speaker: But anyways, if you come in and you're
impacting a community on that level,


[01:16:06 - 01:16:07] Speaker: there should be a level of responsibility
there.


[01:16:07 - 01:16:08] Speaker: Like when.


[01:16:08 - 01:16:11] Speaker: Yeah, but they tried that with
the solar farms and tried to put that in.


[01:16:11 - 01:16:14] Speaker: And I still think they would skip town
and they would hire.


[01:16:14 - 01:16:16] Speaker: Well,
I mean, I look at the mental hospital


[01:16:16 - 01:16:19] Speaker: that was here and they left like down
it was down in, Kingston. Right.


[01:16:19 - 01:16:20] Speaker: Like we really needed that.


[01:16:20 - 01:16:22] Speaker: That's like what my nonprofit does.


[01:16:22 - 01:16:24] Speaker: You need a mental hospital sometimes, but.


[01:16:24 - 01:16:26] Speaker: No. Is that. No?
Is that what you're saying?


[01:16:26 - 01:16:29] Speaker: I, I'm, I think we should have.


[01:16:29 - 01:16:31] Speaker: They took out many services with them,
that company,


[01:16:31 - 01:16:34] Speaker: because it was no longer profitable
to be in Luzerne County. Right.


[01:16:34 - 01:16:36] Speaker: But when they left,
they left a huge gap of resources.


[01:16:36 - 01:16:40] Speaker: There was no, like time for us
to get another bid in or to do anything.


[01:16:40 - 01:16:41] Speaker: So I think there should be
a level of accountability.


[01:16:41 - 01:16:44] Speaker: When you're backing a community
and you're you become a fundamental well,


[01:16:44 - 01:16:48] Speaker: they're trying to put like remedial
clauses into the, into the zoning.


[01:16:48 - 01:16:50] Speaker: So like if a data center comes
that there's ten,


[01:16:50 - 01:16:53] Speaker: $15 million or something,
they have to like get rid of it.


[01:16:54 - 01:16:55] Speaker: So the township has the money


[01:16:55 - 01:16:58] Speaker: and they're not left with the bill
of like getting rid of this toxic site,


[01:16:59 - 01:17:00] Speaker: because that's what happen
with the solar farms.


[01:17:00 - 01:17:01] Speaker: A lot of the solar farms,


[01:17:01 - 01:17:04] Speaker: when they like ten years after the murders
and the chaos ended,


[01:17:05 - 01:17:08] Speaker: they just filed bankruptcy
because the CRT has his yacht


[01:17:08 - 01:17:11] Speaker: and they don't give a damn
and they're gone.


[01:17:11 - 01:17:12] Speaker: And, you know, I like.


[01:17:14 - 01:17:15] Speaker: I'll send you the podcast.


[01:17:15 - 01:17:18] Speaker: I just do a Bayley.
Like if you get a chance to listen to it.


[01:17:18 - 01:17:21] Speaker: He's super intelligent
and he really explains things really well.


[01:17:21 - 01:17:26] Speaker: But it like his assessment is like this
leads to like not a good place.


[01:17:26 - 01:17:30] Speaker: There's not a there's not a
it's not a net positive for anybody.


[01:17:31 - 01:17:31] Speaker: Ultimately.


[01:17:31 - 01:17:34] Speaker: Yeah I don't think so either. And I yeah.


[01:17:34 - 01:17:37] Speaker: And I will watch that if you send it
because I always want to learn more.


[01:17:37 - 01:17:40] Speaker: What's good to listen in the car rides.


[01:17:40 - 01:17:42] Speaker: Hold us in the keys in the car
because I'm an old person.


[01:17:42 - 01:17:44] Speaker: And do you still love you? See?
Do you ever steal your thing?


[01:17:44 - 01:17:46] Speaker: Or you pull the CDs out and you.


[01:17:46 - 01:17:49] Speaker: Do you really? Oh, man. She does


[01:17:50 - 01:17:50] Speaker: it all


[01:17:50 - 01:17:53] Speaker: about
the data centers being built underground.


[01:17:54 - 01:17:57] Speaker: I don't know, that was something
that was brought up at one of the meetings


[01:17:57 - 01:17:59] Speaker: I was at because of the coal mines.


[01:17:59 - 01:18:03] Speaker: There's been a lot and there's ones
already built in other states


[01:18:03 - 01:18:04] Speaker: that are underground.


[01:18:04 - 01:18:09] Speaker: It makes it more complex because, the heat
and that makes it more complex as well.


[01:18:09 - 01:18:14] Speaker: But they are being the it's
also the thing that we have.


[01:18:14 - 01:18:16] Speaker: We weren't the first this time.


[01:18:16 - 01:18:17] Speaker: Like what happens here?


[01:18:17 - 01:18:20] Speaker: What was it dimick
that they started drilling and like,


[01:18:20 - 01:18:21] Speaker: well, that's Gasland, right?


[01:18:21 - 01:18:23] Speaker: Yeah, we were the first.


[01:18:23 - 01:18:26] Speaker: So we didn't know
what was going to happen.


[01:18:26 - 01:18:27] Speaker: We're not the first with data centers.


[01:18:27 - 01:18:29] Speaker: They're already built in other states.


[01:18:29 - 01:18:30] Speaker: We can still learn from it.


[01:18:30 - 01:18:33] Speaker: Yeah, well,
that's why Jamie's driving down there.


[01:18:33 - 01:18:35] Speaker: I mean, like, he's been doing that. Well,
that's why we went down.


[01:18:35 - 01:18:36] Speaker: He goes, I want to know what this is.


[01:18:36 - 01:18:39] Speaker: And as soon as we pulled up,
it was like, what?


[01:18:39 - 01:18:41] Speaker: This is not this dystopian.


[01:18:41 - 01:18:44] Speaker: Like, I don't want to be an okay novel,
you know what I mean?


[01:18:44 - 01:18:46] Speaker: Like, I would rather not be.


[01:18:46 - 01:18:49] Speaker: I don't I don't need to know why
androids dream of electric sheep.


[01:18:49 - 01:18:51] Speaker: Yeah. Exactly.


[01:18:51 - 01:18:55] Speaker: Like, and I don't I don't want that
dystopian like, I, we got to, like,


[01:18:55 - 01:18:59] Speaker: make the vision different of I like,
I get there's needs or whatever,


[01:18:59 - 01:19:01] Speaker: but there has to be a way to do it
appropriately.


[01:19:01 - 01:19:03] Speaker: Well, it's it's the Moore's Law thing.


[01:19:03 - 01:19:06] Speaker: Every 18 months, every 18 months,
technology doubles, right?


[01:19:06 - 01:19:09] Speaker: CPUs, GPUs, all that stuff.
So that's why I bring up the question.


[01:19:09 - 01:19:13] Speaker: It's like ten years from now after
you've had 4 or 5 cycles of Moore's Law.


[01:19:14 - 01:19:14] Speaker: Right.


[01:19:14 - 01:19:15] Speaker: And I think,


[01:19:15 - 01:19:19] Speaker: well, two things you just made me think
of, one, these things use a lot of Ram.


[01:19:19 - 01:19:22] Speaker: So say goodbye to your gaming PC
because you're not going be able


[01:19:22 - 01:19:22] Speaker: to build them anymore.


[01:19:22 - 01:19:24] Speaker: That would be way too expensive. No,
this is what they plan on doing.


[01:19:24 - 01:19:26] Speaker: Let me talk about that
because I'm a gamer, right? Okay.


[01:19:26 - 01:19:27] Speaker: What the.


[01:19:27 - 01:19:28] Speaker: What doesn't she do?


[01:19:28 - 01:19:31] Speaker: Hey, dude, it's she kills gophers. And


[01:19:32 - 01:19:34] Speaker: that's what the Jeff Bezos,


[01:19:34 - 01:19:37] Speaker: present game was to take all the gaming
systems, import them all from a cloud.


[01:19:37 - 01:19:40] Speaker: Kind of like when, was it PlayStation.


[01:19:40 - 01:19:42] Speaker: Yeah. You should do streaming Xbox.


[01:19:42 - 01:19:43] Speaker: Does it do.


[01:19:43 - 01:19:45] Speaker: Right. Like it's central.


[01:19:45 - 01:19:48] Speaker: But anyways like you don't even playable
like it's stupid but they want to,


[01:19:48 - 01:19:52] Speaker: they want to get rid of gaming systems
in any like hard hardware wise.


[01:19:52 - 01:19:54] Speaker: And you would,
you would pay for a streaming service,


[01:19:54 - 01:19:57] Speaker: a subscription every month
that you have access as I games.


[01:19:58 - 01:19:59] Speaker: It's like insane.


[01:19:59 - 01:20:02] Speaker: But he wants to do cloud which would
require more data centers, more storage.


[01:20:02 - 01:20:05] Speaker: Oh, do you know why they want to do that?


[01:20:05 - 01:20:07] Speaker: Because you'll own nothing, right?


[01:20:07 - 01:20:09] Speaker: That's right there.


[01:20:09 - 01:20:10] Speaker: And we saw that happen.


[01:20:10 - 01:20:12] Speaker: We saw that happen with Sony
when they lost the rights.


[01:20:12 - 01:20:12] Speaker: All those things.


[01:20:12 - 01:20:16] Speaker: And like all those movies
and television shows that people bought


[01:20:16 - 01:20:19] Speaker: and they no longer had them,
even though they paid for them.


[01:20:19 - 01:20:20] Speaker: This is this is what I mean.


[01:20:20 - 01:20:21] Speaker: I mean, look, there's


[01:20:23 - 01:20:24] Speaker: I think I wish I could


[01:20:24 - 01:20:27] Speaker: remember where I heard this from,
so I don't want to take this as original.


[01:20:27 - 01:20:30] Speaker: If I do remember, I'll, I'll
send it to you so we can give them credit.


[01:20:30 - 01:20:31] Speaker: I know it was a man.


[01:20:31 - 01:20:34] Speaker: With the AI.


[01:20:34 - 01:20:37] Speaker: What they don't seem to talk about
is when you get it.


[01:20:37 - 01:20:38] Speaker: At first it's new and it's shiny.


[01:20:38 - 01:20:42] Speaker: And you put your ideas in
and it pops out your pager or,


[01:20:42 - 01:20:44] Speaker: you know, your letter or whatever.


[01:20:44 - 01:20:47] Speaker: And, you know, this is great
for the first hour, and then you start.


[01:20:48 - 01:20:49] Speaker: What else do I put in now?


[01:20:49 - 01:20:51] Speaker: What prompts do I put in?


[01:20:51 - 01:20:52] Speaker: And it's just a tool.


[01:20:52 - 01:20:55] Speaker: And I think eventually that tool
is not going to be useful anymore.


[01:20:55 - 01:20:57] Speaker: And it's not going to be like, oh, well,


[01:20:57 - 01:21:01] Speaker: we're just going to give up on it,
and now you'll get all your jobs back.


[01:21:01 - 01:21:04] Speaker: It's more like
it's just going to fizzle out.


[01:21:04 - 01:21:06] Speaker: It might it might fizzle out
for the consumer,


[01:21:06 - 01:21:09] Speaker: but industry
and everything is going to be using it.


[01:21:09 - 01:21:12] Speaker: Like you're not going to escape it.
They're gonna use it to build cars.


[01:21:12 - 01:21:13] Speaker: They're gonna use to build houses.


[01:21:13 - 01:21:15] Speaker: Elon wants, Elon wants.


[01:21:15 - 01:21:17] Speaker: And look, I want to go to Mars.


[01:21:17 - 01:21:21] Speaker: Yeah, but enough about what they do
as into how they function,


[01:21:21 - 01:21:24] Speaker: because I'm learning about what they do
of how they harm the community,


[01:21:24 - 01:21:27] Speaker: the data centers
or AI or both data centers.


[01:21:27 - 01:21:30] Speaker: But their housing, the AI, isn't
that what they're so, so so it's not.


[01:21:30 - 01:21:32] Speaker: So when we were down in Ashburn,


[01:21:32 - 01:21:34] Speaker: one of the things that they told us


[01:21:34 - 01:21:36] Speaker: that blew my mind
and it was one of the countries,


[01:21:36 - 01:21:38] Speaker: so I forget whether
it was Sweden or Switzerland,


[01:21:39 - 01:21:41] Speaker: 100% of


[01:21:41 - 01:21:44] Speaker: their internet routes through Ashburn.


[01:21:44 - 01:21:46] Speaker: So we have entire government,
foreign governments


[01:21:46 - 01:21:48] Speaker: that go through our data centers.


[01:21:48 - 01:21:52] Speaker: And it's not just and it's not just AI,
because I really isn't.


[01:21:52 - 01:21:54] Speaker: I mean, it's it's
microchips and it's graphics cards


[01:21:54 - 01:21:57] Speaker: because graphics cards can do
the processing faster than microchips can.


[01:21:57 - 01:21:58] Speaker: That's why you have like


[01:21:58 - 01:22:02] Speaker: the $3,000 graphics card for your PC
computer affecting the gaming industries.


[01:22:02 - 01:22:04] Speaker: And we're probably looking at more delays


[01:22:04 - 01:22:06] Speaker: if they're going to come out
with a PlayStation six,


[01:22:06 - 01:22:09] Speaker: which I will not be helping somebody
at this time.


[01:22:09 - 01:22:12] Speaker: Just. Awful.


[01:22:12 - 01:22:16] Speaker: Like so I mean, like,
there's and it's and it's storage.


[01:22:17 - 01:22:19] Speaker: So in other words like it's, it's it's
I don't know if you watch Black Mirror


[01:22:19 - 01:22:22] Speaker: but like that's where this leads.
It leads to Black Mirror. Mirror.


[01:22:24 - 01:22:25] Speaker: So it's a black mirror.


[01:22:25 - 01:22:28] Speaker: Black mirror is like an outer Limits,
Twilight Zone type story.


[01:22:28 - 01:22:30] Speaker: Okay, concentrate on it. But.


[01:22:30 - 01:22:32] Speaker: Yeah, well, that makes it.


[01:22:32 - 01:22:34] Speaker: Well, I mean, so,


[01:22:34 - 01:22:36] Speaker: so like the, so, like the concern is with,
like, the data centers


[01:22:36 - 01:22:40] Speaker: and everything is like
once they bring online or connect


[01:22:40 - 01:22:44] Speaker: all of these different things
that are now not connected, such as like


[01:22:45 - 01:22:48] Speaker: traffic lights or your,
your GPS data on your phone,


[01:22:48 - 01:22:51] Speaker: because it knows wherever you go
or you know,


[01:22:52 - 01:22:55] Speaker: like the big concern is like
there's an episode of of Black Mirror


[01:22:55 - 01:22:58] Speaker: where it's like the AI punishes


[01:22:58 - 01:23:02] Speaker: you and, and immediately takes the money
out of your bank account and finds you.


[01:23:02 - 01:23:07] Speaker: So like, there is no I'm a big I'm
a big proponent of freedom and liberty.


[01:23:08 - 01:23:10] Speaker: Anything else that tries to diminish that,


[01:23:10 - 01:23:13] Speaker: I think is authoritarian
and I don't like it.


[01:23:14 - 01:23:18] Speaker: And it comes in many forms,
but it still ends up with the same result.


[01:23:19 - 01:23:21] Speaker: This is what this will eventually lead to.


[01:23:21 - 01:23:22] Speaker: And most of the times


[01:23:22 - 01:23:25] Speaker: I think that people do things
because temporarily it feels good.


[01:23:26 - 01:23:28] Speaker: Give me convenience or give me. Yeah.


[01:23:28 - 01:23:32] Speaker: And then and then ten years down the road,
you don't even realize it.


[01:23:32 - 01:23:35] Speaker: And you're, you're in this place
where you're like, you know,


[01:23:35 - 01:23:36] Speaker: why do you think everybody's


[01:23:36 - 01:23:39] Speaker: why do you think everybody's changed over
the last 10 or 15 years?


[01:23:40 - 01:23:41] Speaker: No one's the same.


[01:23:41 - 01:23:42] Speaker: It's weird, you know?


[01:23:42 - 01:23:45] Speaker: And like, just like it just kind of,
I guess philosophical or whatever.


[01:23:45 - 01:23:46] Speaker: But, like, you look at it as like,


[01:23:46 - 01:23:50] Speaker: you know, there's the cyberpunk movement,
which we could put AI in real opium,


[01:23:50 - 01:23:51] Speaker: but you also have like
a solar powered movement


[01:23:51 - 01:23:54] Speaker: that like, you know,
and that's like taking any


[01:23:54 - 01:23:58] Speaker: like advancements technologically
and making it like how


[01:23:58 - 01:24:01] Speaker: that harmony with the regenerative
farming shit like that.


[01:24:01 - 01:24:02] Speaker: Yeah. Totally.


[01:24:02 - 01:24:06] Speaker: Like, I mean, like to me like, I mean,
I think look at these data centers.


[01:24:06 - 01:24:08] Speaker: I think we need to look at it
from like these companies.


[01:24:08 - 01:24:08] Speaker: They're not gonna


[01:24:08 - 01:24:10] Speaker: I mean, I'm
certainly not gonna be on the board


[01:24:10 - 01:24:11] Speaker: to do it, but, like,


[01:24:11 - 01:24:13] Speaker: it would be nice
if there was something along those lines


[01:24:13 - 01:24:15] Speaker: as opposed to just coming
in, being so disruptive


[01:24:15 - 01:24:18] Speaker: and disregarding, like the consequences
and gaslighting the community


[01:24:18 - 01:24:19] Speaker: into this thing, you know?


[01:24:19 - 01:24:22] Speaker: But it's good to create jobs, to live for
20 years or whatever I hear on the doors.


[01:24:22 - 01:24:22] Speaker: Oh, yeah.


[01:24:22 - 01:24:27] Speaker: But like, you know, instead of line,
like, you know, just be honest.


[01:24:28 - 01:24:30] Speaker: I'm fine with honesty.


[01:24:30 - 01:24:30] Speaker: Like.


[01:24:30 - 01:24:32] Speaker: And I think it goes
back to what he was saying about what


[01:24:32 - 01:24:35] Speaker: Jamie said was, if you just be like, hey,
this is what we want to do,


[01:24:36 - 01:24:38] Speaker: and we bring up problems like, okay, well,
this is where the issue is.


[01:24:38 - 01:24:40] Speaker: We all hash it out together.


[01:24:40 - 01:24:43] Speaker: But when we're not trying to infringe
or like don't want things,


[01:24:43 - 01:24:45] Speaker: but when you're lying from the gate,
I just don't.


[01:24:45 - 01:24:47] Speaker: Then you get no room
like I don't want you.


[01:24:47 - 01:24:49] Speaker: Yeah, there's no negotiation when you.


[01:24:49 - 01:24:51] Speaker: When you start being deceitful. Yeah.


[01:24:51 - 01:24:53] Speaker: That's
where that my agency leaves right now


[01:24:53 - 01:24:55] Speaker: I don't have a freedom of choice
because I tried to manipulate me


[01:24:55 - 01:24:57] Speaker: to do what you want,
and that shit's shady.


[01:24:57 - 01:24:59] Speaker: And we all clock it at this point.


[01:24:59 - 01:25:00] Speaker: And this is why I feel a little bit


[01:25:00 - 01:25:05] Speaker: about the Dallas township supervisors,
and I'm just speaking with myself.


[01:25:05 - 01:25:08] Speaker: Hannah, you know that the Constitution
gives you that, right?


[01:25:08 - 01:25:10] Speaker: Right.
You can say whatever you want to say.


[01:25:10 - 01:25:12] Speaker: Yeah, this is my my opinion.


[01:25:14 - 01:25:16] Speaker: I, I worry and, you know, my


[01:25:16 - 01:25:20] Speaker: spidey senses go when they say, you know,
we have no bids.


[01:25:20 - 01:25:23] Speaker: We don't know anything about anything
here.


[01:25:23 - 01:25:26] Speaker: We know
nobody has even talked about it to us.


[01:25:26 - 01:25:28] Speaker: You know,
they said this in the meeting repeat.


[01:25:28 - 01:25:30] Speaker: And they will be my eyes.


[01:25:30 - 01:25:34] Speaker: And they also said that they email
to the developer of one of the two zones


[01:25:35 - 01:25:38] Speaker: and said, do you have any,


[01:25:38 - 01:25:42] Speaker: proposals, proposals
to build your data center?


[01:25:42 - 01:25:44] Speaker: And they said that this developer said no.


[01:25:44 - 01:25:48] Speaker: But later
I found out that this developer was


[01:25:48 - 01:25:51] Speaker: the secret developer
of the Berwick Data Center.


[01:25:51 - 01:25:53] Speaker: So if this developer did it, their


[01:25:53 - 01:25:56] Speaker: why wouldn't they do it
when they own this land in Dallas?


[01:25:57 - 01:25:59] Speaker: And I'm I'm super concerned about that.


[01:25:59 - 01:26:02] Speaker: And it just seems like there's things
they're not telling us.


[01:26:02 - 01:26:06] Speaker: And I feel that even the, the supervisors
gaslight a little bit


[01:26:08 - 01:26:08] Speaker: and make us


[01:26:08 - 01:26:11] Speaker: feel like, you know, we're crazy for
for being concerned.


[01:26:11 - 01:26:15] Speaker: At the first meeting I attended,
they said, where are they going to go?


[01:26:15 - 01:26:17] Speaker: We don't have any room here.
We don't have any water.


[01:26:17 - 01:26:18] Speaker: We don't have any resources.


[01:26:18 - 01:26:23] Speaker: We're only doing it pulling resources
from other places to get around the water.


[01:26:23 - 01:26:25] Speaker: We have a well, I mean, I mean,


[01:26:25 - 01:26:28] Speaker: I mean, here's
what flood all the time and loot it.


[01:26:28 - 01:26:30] Speaker: Sometimes it's not corruption.


[01:26:30 - 01:26:34] Speaker: Sometimes it is like, never underestimate
people's ability to be stupid.


[01:26:34 - 01:26:39] Speaker: Yes. You know, so you always I always give
I always give elected officials grace


[01:26:40 - 01:26:43] Speaker: because I'm like I said, I'm a I'm.


[01:26:43 - 01:26:46] Speaker: So they have a problem. Yeah. But
but that's the thing.


[01:26:46 - 01:26:49] Speaker: It's like don't don't don't make me think
that you're lying to me.


[01:26:50 - 01:26:51] Speaker: You know what I mean?


[01:26:51 - 01:26:55] Speaker: Like, and if this guy was the secret
developer, you could.


[01:26:56 - 01:26:58] Speaker: We didn't know that, right?


[01:26:58 - 01:27:00] Speaker: You could say that.


[01:27:00 - 01:27:02] Speaker: And then I'll go. Oh,
you didn't know, right?


[01:27:02 - 01:27:04] Speaker: That's human. Right? Yeah.


[01:27:04 - 01:27:05] Speaker: Like it's possible
for people to lie to you.


[01:27:05 - 01:27:07] Speaker: Yeah, yeah.


[01:27:07 - 01:27:09] Speaker: And I agree with the grace situation.


[01:27:09 - 01:27:12] Speaker: We're giving people grace because they may
not know because, you know, obviously.


[01:27:12 - 01:27:15] Speaker: But I also think for me, like looking at
patterns of behavior is important.


[01:27:15 - 01:27:19] Speaker: And to me, the supervisors
and their pattern of behaviors equates


[01:27:19 - 01:27:21] Speaker: to a larger picture, which is corruption.


[01:27:21 - 01:27:23] Speaker: And when the firm is providing


[01:27:23 - 01:27:26] Speaker: these amendments,
these well-researched amendments


[01:27:26 - 01:27:28] Speaker: in the first time, they could say, oh,
we didn't know.


[01:27:28 - 01:27:29] Speaker: Yeah, but she's she's a threat.


[01:27:29 - 01:27:31] Speaker: Oh, yeah, she's a threat to them. Why?


[01:27:31 - 01:27:35] Speaker: Because time
are we going to spend more time on this?


[01:27:35 - 01:27:36] Speaker: Sometimes it's as simple as that.


[01:27:36 - 01:27:37] Speaker: We're going to spend more time.


[01:27:37 - 01:27:41] Speaker: Or maybe there is something
going on behind the scenes,


[01:27:41 - 01:27:44] Speaker: because usually it's like company
that owns a company, that owns a company


[01:27:44 - 01:27:48] Speaker: that owns that company,
and you can't find out who the owner is,


[01:27:48 - 01:27:50] Speaker: and you're going to cost them
a lot of money.


[01:27:50 - 01:27:53] Speaker: So they're going to try like up
in Dickson City.


[01:27:53 - 01:27:56] Speaker: They're trying to do one. And there's


[01:27:57 - 01:28:00] Speaker: purpose that a Frankie protest everything.


[01:28:00 - 01:28:02] Speaker: This is the mayor.


[01:28:02 - 01:28:03] Speaker: I love him.


[01:28:03 - 01:28:05] Speaker: I don't agree with him politically,
but he's a guy.


[01:28:05 - 01:28:06] Speaker: I like him very much.


[01:28:06 - 01:28:09] Speaker: I didn't think about that before.


[01:28:10 - 01:28:12] Speaker: With how many years I went up
against the health care industry,


[01:28:12 - 01:28:17] Speaker: and I won, I yeah, I, I am reminding you
that you're a threat all the time.


[01:28:17 - 01:28:18] Speaker: Yeah.


[01:28:18 - 01:28:21] Speaker: You you working right or that work


[01:28:21 - 01:28:24] Speaker: ethic, you know, so you're honest though.


[01:28:24 - 01:28:24] Speaker: You have it.


[01:28:24 - 01:28:25] Speaker: See, there's


[01:28:25 - 01:28:28] Speaker: there's no braver person in the world
than the person that feels that they


[01:28:29 - 01:28:29] Speaker: they have to. Like.


[01:28:29 - 01:28:32] Speaker: My mom always said to me,
she's like Irish.


[01:28:32 - 01:28:34] Speaker: The family of 400.


[01:28:34 - 01:28:36] Speaker: She goes, if not me, who? Right?


[01:28:36 - 01:28:39] Speaker: You know, when you ask her,
why is she going to run?


[01:28:39 - 01:28:40] Speaker: She said, if not me, who?


[01:28:41 - 01:28:43] Speaker: You know, like I like Democrat.


[01:28:43 - 01:28:44] Speaker: Republican.


[01:28:44 - 01:28:46] Speaker: I'm going to pay attention to the person
who doesn't want to do it,


[01:28:46 - 01:28:49] Speaker: but feels that they have to,
because otherwise somebody.


[01:28:49 - 01:28:53] Speaker: Some of the best legislators that I have
met are people who never wanted to do it,


[01:28:53 - 01:28:56] Speaker: and they hate the job
that was going to be done.


[01:28:56 - 01:28:59] Speaker: I mean, I want to be here, you know,


[01:29:00 - 01:29:02] Speaker: and if you and if you talk about like,
you know, how your damn party,


[01:29:02 - 01:29:05] Speaker: like the executive board, all that shit,
whatever, like


[01:29:05 - 01:29:08] Speaker: I found that everything else
my my buddy Bailey,


[01:29:08 - 01:29:12] Speaker: the AI guy, technologist guy calls it, 
fractal problems.


[01:29:12 - 01:29:16] Speaker: So, like, they exist in a familial level
and friendship level,


[01:29:16 - 01:29:18] Speaker: and they're all the way up
at, like, a global level.


[01:29:18 - 01:29:19] Speaker: It's like the same.


[01:29:19 - 01:29:23] Speaker: It's the same scenarios,
just with different people.


[01:29:23 - 01:29:24] Speaker: Right?


[01:29:24 - 01:29:27] Speaker: That's so, you know, so,
so like whatever's happening in,


[01:29:27 - 01:29:30] Speaker: in one place,
you could use it as a way to go, okay,


[01:29:30 - 01:29:34] Speaker: this is how we can understand this here
because


[01:29:34 - 01:29:38] Speaker: it's not the it's it's a different place,
but it's the same situation.


[01:29:38 - 01:29:41] Speaker: And most of the time it's like
the same types of players on the TV show.


[01:29:41 - 01:29:45] Speaker: The models the same. Yep, yep.


[01:29:45 - 01:29:48] Speaker: The maneuvers you kind can
educate yourself and maneuver around it.


[01:29:48 - 01:29:50] Speaker: Yeah. Like, the other the other night.


[01:29:50 - 01:29:53] Speaker: So I, I released a video
last night of the ransom.


[01:29:53 - 01:29:57] Speaker: The ransom rejection of the proposal.


[01:29:58 - 01:29:59] Speaker: And I knew it was going to be fireworks.


[01:29:59 - 01:30:02] Speaker: And believe it
or not, state Senator Marty Flynn, who


[01:30:03 - 01:30:06] Speaker: doesn't, hasn't really liked me
for the last few years.


[01:30:06 - 01:30:07] Speaker: Asked if he wanted to get


[01:30:07 - 01:30:08] Speaker: if I wanted to get his comment on camera


[01:30:08 - 01:30:11] Speaker: because no one's ever asked him
his opinion on data centers.


[01:30:11 - 01:30:16] Speaker: So I, I it does a guy
that's outspokenly against all.


[01:30:16 - 01:30:19] Speaker: He'll never
I mean that's a David and Goliath to I


[01:30:19 - 01:30:23] Speaker: you know God bless but like
but like I've known him for a long time


[01:30:23 - 01:30:27] Speaker: and you know, I,
I was thinking what you were thinking,


[01:30:28 - 01:30:30] Speaker: but then I was like,
but now it's going to be public.


[01:30:30 - 01:30:31] Speaker: So it's more.


[01:30:31 - 01:30:32] Speaker: Yeah.


[01:30:32 - 01:30:36] Speaker: So like maybe he is being honest like like
like give him a,


[01:30:36 - 01:30:37] Speaker: give him a bit of grace,


[01:30:37 - 01:30:40] Speaker: you know, whether you like him
or not for whatever reasons.


[01:30:40 - 01:30:41] Speaker: But let the people decide.


[01:30:41 - 01:30:44] Speaker: He said the thing that he said,
and you either believe him or you don't.


[01:30:45 - 01:30:49] Speaker: And, but and I think that's important
to, like, hold people's feet to the fire.


[01:30:49 - 01:30:51] Speaker: I think that's fair. Yeah. You know,


[01:30:52 - 01:30:53] Speaker: back to


[01:30:53 - 01:30:57] Speaker: what you had asked about what
we're concerned about with Dallas tension.


[01:30:58 - 01:31:01] Speaker: When they held the hearing, they only let
people from Dallas Township speak.


[01:31:01 - 01:31:03] Speaker: This was not a regular meeting.
This was a hearing.


[01:31:03 - 01:31:06] Speaker: They're supposed to let everyone
who had effect happen in.


[01:31:06 - 01:31:07] Speaker: There are people who live


[01:31:07 - 01:31:11] Speaker: right behind one of the sites
that they didn't take into consideration.


[01:31:11 - 01:31:13] Speaker: They took it in writing,
but they would not let them speak.


[01:31:13 - 01:31:15] Speaker: They also did not have ransom.


[01:31:15 - 01:31:17] Speaker: Let everybody speak
because you're supposed to.


[01:31:17 - 01:31:20] Speaker: Yeah, you're supposed to.


[01:31:20 - 01:31:22] Speaker: And that might be
the municipal planning code,


[01:31:22 - 01:31:25] Speaker: but it doesn't matter
if there's if both of them are the law.


[01:31:25 - 01:31:28] Speaker: So they did not have the amendment
proposal on display.


[01:31:28 - 01:31:31] Speaker: And even if they had it,
even though it is 17 pages,


[01:31:31 - 01:31:34] Speaker: even if they had it in the room,
the room wasn't big enough for everybody.


[01:31:34 - 01:31:36] Speaker: People had to wait outside the door.


[01:31:36 - 01:31:38] Speaker: That's not a legal meeting.


[01:31:38 - 01:31:39] Speaker: It wasn't a meeting.


[01:31:39 - 01:31:41] Speaker: It was a hearing.
But it's not a legal hearing.


[01:31:41 - 01:31:44] Speaker: You can have you have to have it in
a venue where everybody can participate.


[01:31:44 - 01:31:45] Speaker: Right? That's what I'm saying.


[01:31:45 - 01:31:49] Speaker: And we're within our 30 days
to challenge that legally.


[01:31:49 - 01:31:51] Speaker: But like, where's the lawyer? Right.


[01:31:51 - 01:31:52] Speaker: You're not going to I don't have the


[01:31:53 - 01:31:54] Speaker: ransom hat.


[01:31:54 - 01:31:55] Speaker: Ransom at a lawyer.


[01:31:55 - 01:31:58] Speaker: And it wasn't just because it was like
they didn't hire a person like this.


[01:31:58 - 01:32:01] Speaker: This lawyer's mother lives
in a development that was going to be.


[01:32:01 - 01:32:04] Speaker: If they didn't have her,
they would have got screwed.


[01:32:04 - 01:32:07] Speaker: And then I asked her how much it would she
she said 100.


[01:32:07 - 01:32:08] Speaker: She goes 100 grand.


[01:32:08 - 01:32:10] Speaker: This would have cost a hundred grand
to fight this.


[01:32:10 - 01:32:12] Speaker: You know,
you don't have that kind of money there.


[01:32:12 - 01:32:14] Speaker: And then the other thing that concerns me


[01:32:14 - 01:32:19] Speaker: is they did discuss some of the amendments
that they wanted to make, like I had


[01:32:19 - 01:32:22] Speaker: mentioned earlier, and I don't remember
if we had started or not already.


[01:32:22 - 01:32:25] Speaker: The setback, they said
they were removing it for 202,000.


[01:32:26 - 01:32:29] Speaker: And then now the new amended proposal,
the amendment of the amendment


[01:32:29 - 01:32:32] Speaker: proposal says it was going from 300
to 500.


[01:32:33 - 01:32:35] Speaker: Well, one
it was never 300 in the first place.


[01:32:35 - 01:32:36] Speaker: So where did that come from?


[01:32:36 - 01:32:39] Speaker: And two 500 is a far cry from 2000.


[01:32:39 - 01:32:43] Speaker: But there is also other amendments
to the amendment


[01:32:43 - 01:32:46] Speaker: that were not discussed
that requires them to have a new hearing.


[01:32:46 - 01:32:48] Speaker: And on February 3rd,
they're having a meeting


[01:32:48 - 01:32:50] Speaker: where they're going to vote on it,


[01:32:50 - 01:32:52] Speaker: they're going to pass it,
they're going to pass that.


[01:32:52 - 01:32:56] Speaker: But if we stop it beforehand and then
they have every intention of doing it.


[01:32:56 - 01:32:57] Speaker: Yeah.


[01:32:57 - 01:33:01] Speaker: And I think that that also might leave us
open to a lawsuit to get it overturned.


[01:33:01 - 01:33:03] Speaker: And I'm not sure about that.


[01:33:03 - 01:33:05] Speaker: You know, like I said,
I don't know everything.


[01:33:05 - 01:33:08] Speaker: But if that's the case,
if they put this through illegally,


[01:33:08 - 01:33:11] Speaker: which is what is happening right
now, can a developer come in


[01:33:11 - 01:33:14] Speaker: and sue us and get rid of it and then do
whatever they want with no guardrails?


[01:33:15 - 01:33:18] Speaker: Well, so first of all, the solicitor
is supposed to be advocating for you guys.


[01:33:18 - 01:33:19] Speaker: Just as much.


[01:33:19 - 01:33:24] Speaker: Well, so okay, most of this happens
with solicitors, right?


[01:33:24 - 01:33:26] Speaker: You have to pay attention
to the solicitors. Right.


[01:33:26 - 01:33:28] Speaker: Because most elected officials
don't know what they don't know


[01:33:28 - 01:33:30] Speaker: and they depend on the solicitor.


[01:33:30 - 01:33:34] Speaker: And so basically the solicitor
is in charge and they weren't elected.


[01:33:35 - 01:33:37] Speaker: And you don't know who they're connected
to and you don't know what's going on.


[01:33:37 - 01:33:40] Speaker: I'm not saying that these people are bad.
I'm not saying anything like that.


[01:33:40 - 01:33:42] Speaker: But like the first people
that you should look at,


[01:33:42 - 01:33:45] Speaker: what's the solicitor doing the red flag,
because they're having


[01:33:45 - 01:33:48] Speaker: all of the questions
to be put towards our secretary, who's


[01:33:48 - 01:33:52] Speaker: also our treasurer,
who is also new at the job.


[01:33:52 - 01:33:54] Speaker: And I called Scott over the summer.


[01:33:54 - 01:33:57] Speaker: He started over the summer.
He must hate his job.


[01:33:57 - 01:33:58] Speaker: There it is.


[01:33:58 - 01:34:00] Speaker: He's a real nice guy
and he's trying very hard.


[01:34:00 - 01:34:04] Speaker: You know, whenever I call him about it,
I'm like, I feel so bad because


[01:34:04 - 01:34:05] Speaker: I feel like I'm being a pain in the neck.


[01:34:05 - 01:34:07] Speaker: But that's also my job, right?


[01:34:07 - 01:34:10] Speaker: Not as someone who's running,
but as a resident of the township


[01:34:10 - 01:34:13] Speaker: who wants the best interests
of the township. Because if not you, who?


[01:34:13 - 01:34:14] Speaker: If I wasn't running for office,


[01:34:14 - 01:34:17] Speaker: I would be doing the same thing,
I promise you that. Right?


[01:34:17 - 01:34:19] Speaker: But that's a red flag.


[01:34:19 - 01:34:22] Speaker: Why are they sending us to our secretary
and not to our solicitor?


[01:34:22 - 01:34:24] Speaker: And, you know, that was another thing.


[01:34:24 - 01:34:26] Speaker: Our solicitor was running for office
at the time.


[01:34:26 - 01:34:27] Speaker: This amendment.


[01:34:27 - 01:34:29] Speaker: Oh, this is so crazy.


[01:34:29 - 01:34:31] Speaker: Yes. And


[01:34:32 - 01:34:33] Speaker: oh, it's great.


[01:34:33 - 01:34:34] Speaker: Like, it's happening everywhere.


[01:34:34 - 01:34:37] Speaker: It's it's just crazy to see it again.


[01:34:37 - 01:34:39] Speaker: Look like we copied
and pasted it from other amendments,


[01:34:39 - 01:34:42] Speaker: and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised
if that's what happened.


[01:34:42 - 01:34:44] Speaker: I, I have a little bit of experience
by a little bit.


[01:34:44 - 01:34:46] Speaker: I mean, a lot with running campaigns.


[01:34:46 - 01:34:48] Speaker: It takes up all of your time.


[01:34:48 - 01:34:50] Speaker: So how do you come up
with an extraordinarily thorough


[01:34:50 - 01:34:54] Speaker: amendment proposal if you are running
for office at the same time, you don't


[01:34:54 - 01:34:56] Speaker: you cannot do both of them. Well.


[01:34:56 - 01:34:58] Speaker: And I mean, he lost.
So did he do any of them?


[01:34:58 - 01:35:01] Speaker: Well, I don't know,
but he's still our solicitor.


[01:35:01 - 01:35:03] Speaker: And where are we?
And I know our secretary.


[01:35:03 - 01:35:04] Speaker: How about putting his name out there?


[01:35:04 - 01:35:06] Speaker: Because I don't want to throw him
under the bus. It's not fair to him.


[01:35:06 - 01:35:08] Speaker: But he said, I'm
going to get him your number,


[01:35:08 - 01:35:09] Speaker: and I'm going to have him
get in touch with you.


[01:35:09 - 01:35:12] Speaker: And I said,
and I told him what my fears were like.


[01:35:12 - 01:35:14] Speaker: I'm afraid that this is all for nothing.
This is all moot.


[01:35:14 - 01:35:18] Speaker: And, you know, if we're not here
standing up for our community


[01:35:18 - 01:35:19] Speaker: and if you're not here
representing our community,


[01:35:19 - 01:35:21] Speaker: what the community wants,
what the hell are you doing here?


[01:35:21 - 01:35:23] Speaker: And why are they paying you?


[01:35:23 - 01:35:25] Speaker: Because it is our tax dollars
that are paying these people.


[01:35:25 - 01:35:28] Speaker: Just so you know, you guys
kind of sound like Republicans do.


[01:35:30 - 01:35:33] Speaker: Sound like us.


[01:35:33 - 01:35:35] Speaker: And, you know,


[01:35:35 - 01:35:39] Speaker: in my politics, though, like, there's
an overlap, we are we are so much alike.


[01:35:39 - 01:35:41] Speaker: And yeah,
we have more in common than we do apart.


[01:35:41 - 01:35:44] Speaker: Yes, people's eyes fall out of their heads
when I say that lately.


[01:35:44 - 01:35:46] Speaker: But I'm writing this train.


[01:35:46 - 01:35:50] Speaker: You do it so much in Congress and like,
I'm so sick of it.


[01:35:50 - 01:35:52] Speaker: That's why we knock doors and people
like us in and out going to eat.


[01:35:52 - 01:35:55] Speaker: I'm always like, I want a Republican door.
I was like, oh, it's scary.


[01:35:55 - 01:35:56] Speaker: Yeah.


[01:35:56 - 01:36:00] Speaker: No, dude, it's not like, really
not like I've had door slammed in my face


[01:36:00 - 01:36:01] Speaker: by both parties.


[01:36:01 - 01:36:04] Speaker: It happens some people just don't want
people knocking on their door.


[01:36:04 - 01:36:05] Speaker: I get that right.


[01:36:05 - 01:36:06] Speaker: But like,


[01:36:06 - 01:36:09] Speaker: I know candidates
who where if they were walking by


[01:36:09 - 01:36:11] Speaker: and there was a couple of Trump
signs in the yard,


[01:36:11 - 01:36:12] Speaker: they're not knocking on that door.


[01:36:12 - 01:36:15] Speaker: I don't care if you've got a banner
on the side of your house, like, right,


[01:36:15 - 01:36:17] Speaker: there's a couple of Trump
signs in the yard.


[01:36:17 - 01:36:18] Speaker: There's the Trump banner
on the side of the house.


[01:36:18 - 01:36:20] Speaker: The front door has a black
that says, Trump is my president.


[01:36:20 - 01:36:21] Speaker: Jesus is my savior.


[01:36:21 - 01:36:24] Speaker: Whatever it says, I'm
going to ring the doorbell.


[01:36:24 - 01:36:26] Speaker: Do you
do you know why I think that they do that


[01:36:27 - 01:36:29] Speaker: to keep people
from, like me, from knocking on the door?


[01:36:29 - 01:36:34] Speaker: No, it's it's
everything's gotten so crazy that look


[01:36:34 - 01:36:37] Speaker: everyone I know that goes Trump crazy
like with all the merch,


[01:36:38 - 01:36:41] Speaker: they do it because the people
that hate them get incensed.


[01:36:41 - 01:36:42] Speaker: That's the only reason they do it.


[01:36:42 - 01:36:43] Speaker: It's like wearing.


[01:36:43 - 01:36:46] Speaker: It's like we're in. No, it's a
yeah. Okay.


[01:36:46 - 01:36:48] Speaker: So it's like going to the Phillies game
and you're


[01:36:48 - 01:36:51] Speaker: and you're sitting on the Phillies
or an Eagles game and you're sitting


[01:36:51 - 01:36:54] Speaker: on the Eagles side
with your Giants jersey on.


[01:36:55 - 01:36:57] Speaker: Like that's how they look at it.


[01:36:57 - 01:36:59] Speaker: See how that does appear a little culty
right.


[01:36:59 - 01:37:02] Speaker: Like it looks like
people are getting this obsession.


[01:37:02 - 01:37:06] Speaker: What people do is talk to you
like I will knock on that door.


[01:37:06 - 01:37:09] Speaker: I'm like, you see the signs in my yard,
yo, I'm not running for president.


[01:37:09 - 01:37:12] Speaker: But your signs in your yard
tells me that you're paying attention


[01:37:12 - 01:37:13] Speaker: and you want to know your candidates.


[01:37:13 - 01:37:15] Speaker: That's a great response.


[01:37:15 - 01:37:18] Speaker: I. Yeah, and if we walk away from this,
it's not all for nothing.


[01:37:18 - 01:37:21] Speaker: Because if you decide not to support me,
which I hope that you would,


[01:37:22 - 01:37:25] Speaker: and I turn out to be the victor,
you know that you have a space.


[01:37:25 - 01:37:28] Speaker: You are welcome to call me because
it will be my job to represent you.


[01:37:28 - 01:37:31] Speaker: Yes, it help you when you walk away
and I walk away with you knowing that.


[01:37:31 - 01:37:34] Speaker: Yeah, 100%.
Even if that's the only thing that sticks.


[01:37:34 - 01:37:37] Speaker: Yeah, that's a great
that's a great interaction.


[01:37:37 - 01:37:39] Speaker: If you do that. That's wonderful.


[01:37:39 - 01:37:42] Speaker: And doors last night,
if you remember how close was it.


[01:37:42 - 01:37:44] Speaker: We gained eight and a half points.


[01:37:44 - 01:37:48] Speaker: And then we need another
we need 8.3 points to close that.


[01:37:48 - 01:37:51] Speaker: You know I think we gained 8.3.
We need a little seven.


[01:37:51 - 01:37:51] Speaker: Oh, okay.


[01:37:51 - 01:37:52] Speaker: Something to. Yeah.


[01:37:52 - 01:37:55] Speaker: So we've still got a lot of work to do.
Yeah.


[01:37:55 - 01:37:58] Speaker: But you can tell that we put the work in.


[01:37:58 - 01:38:01] Speaker: Yes we gained
but you're not getting you're.


[01:38:01 - 01:38:02] Speaker: Is there anybody running against you
in the primary.


[01:38:02 - 01:38:04] Speaker: Yeah probably. Yeah.


[01:38:04 - 01:38:06] Speaker: Oh I said
oh yeah we did. But she hasn't a no.


[01:38:06 - 01:38:07] Speaker: So we don't know what she's going to do.


[01:38:07 - 01:38:10] Speaker: But yeah it's not real
until it's real exactly.


[01:38:10 - 01:38:11] Speaker: But I won't be the least bit surprised.


[01:38:11 - 01:38:13] Speaker: They think that even though
I'm not worried about it,


[01:38:13 - 01:38:16] Speaker: I think I will always get primaried
every time I run. Yeah.


[01:38:16 - 01:38:19] Speaker: And I honestly think Jamie will, too,
to be just completely candid.


[01:38:19 - 01:38:20] Speaker: Yeah. And I told him as such,


[01:38:22 - 01:38:22] Speaker: whether I


[01:38:22 - 01:38:25] Speaker: turn out to be correct or not,
I was this time, but, you know.


[01:38:25 - 01:38:26] Speaker: Yeah, there's always.


[01:38:26 - 01:38:27] Speaker: Yeah, but you know, but you know what?


[01:38:27 - 01:38:30] Speaker: You got all the, you got all the name
Rick over the last election and, and


[01:38:30 - 01:38:31] Speaker: and you're and


[01:38:31 - 01:38:34] Speaker: and people are getting really pissed off
at other people about what they're doing.


[01:38:34 - 01:38:37] Speaker: She's doing the work like,
you know, she's rolling up her sleeve.


[01:38:37 - 01:38:38] Speaker: Yeah. People don't see that.


[01:38:38 - 01:38:41] Speaker: Like, as much as I want to believe that,
like most people, like,


[01:38:41 - 01:38:45] Speaker: most people don't know who
their local elected officials are.


[01:38:45 - 01:38:48] Speaker: Like, I can't tell you how many times it's
like, do you know who your state rep is?


[01:38:48 - 01:38:49] Speaker: And they're like, I have no idea.


[01:38:49 - 01:38:52] Speaker: It's like the shadow rep,
I swear, like, like so I still


[01:38:52 - 01:38:54] Speaker: you asked how I got involved
with the data centers.


[01:38:54 - 01:38:55] Speaker: It's because people in the district
started


[01:38:55 - 01:38:57] Speaker: calling me
and asking me what I knew about them.


[01:38:57 - 01:38:59] Speaker: And I'm like, nothing.


[01:38:59 - 01:39:01] Speaker: Let me get back to you
in a couple of days.


[01:39:01 - 01:39:03] Speaker: And then and then it was like,
oh my God, right.


[01:39:03 - 01:39:04] Speaker: Well, I had seen it.


[01:39:04 - 01:39:07] Speaker: We knew something we were talking about
like that was brewing,


[01:39:08 - 01:39:11] Speaker: before the 2024 election.


[01:39:11 - 01:39:11] Speaker: Remember this?


[01:39:11 - 01:39:12] Speaker: About three weeks,


[01:39:12 - 01:39:15] Speaker: maybe three and a half weeks
before the election,


[01:39:15 - 01:39:16] Speaker: we got word that


[01:39:16 - 01:39:20] Speaker: some of the unions were not supporting us
because I was against the Amazon centers


[01:39:20 - 01:39:22] Speaker: and we were like,
what are you talking about?


[01:39:22 - 01:39:25] Speaker: Yeah, we're like,
we thought they were distribution centers.


[01:39:25 - 01:39:25] Speaker: Yeah.


[01:39:25 - 01:39:26] Speaker: That they were talking about.


[01:39:26 - 01:39:27] Speaker: And I'm like,
I didn't know if there were distribution


[01:39:27 - 01:39:29] Speaker: centers coming to my district.
I would have known about.


[01:39:29 - 01:39:31] Speaker: It would've been hundreds of jobs.


[01:39:31 - 01:39:33] Speaker: I don't see why I would be against that.
Yeah, hundreds of jobs.


[01:39:33 - 01:39:36] Speaker: And then we found out
it was something with an energy company


[01:39:37 - 01:39:38] Speaker: and I think they rebranded.


[01:39:38 - 01:39:41] Speaker: I don't remember what they were before,
but they were the people behind it. Yes.


[01:39:41 - 01:39:47] Speaker: And they wanted to power it, backroom
deal with whatever was going on.


[01:39:47 - 01:39:51] Speaker: So we also found out that fracking water
is, just a person in Wyoming, I know.


[01:39:52 - 01:39:52] Speaker: Oh, I remember that.


[01:39:52 - 01:39:56] Speaker: Yeah, yeah, we went to talk video
saying their name got taken down.


[01:39:56 - 01:39:57] Speaker: So that


[01:39:58 - 01:40:01] Speaker: did it really that was put on our
that's how it was put on a


[01:40:01 - 01:40:04] Speaker: like we knew something was brewing,
but we didn't know exactly what.


[01:40:04 - 01:40:07] Speaker: And we knew it had something to do
with Amazon or any large corporation


[01:40:07 - 01:40:10] Speaker: because they they did change
that around a little bit on us.


[01:40:10 - 01:40:13] Speaker: But that doesn't matter
because they call it AWS.


[01:40:13 - 01:40:14] Speaker: No, I don't they don't.


[01:40:14 - 01:40:16] Speaker: Yeah, it's Amazon Worldwide Services.


[01:40:16 - 01:40:19] Speaker: It was energy corporations.


[01:40:19 - 01:40:22] Speaker: So and that's what we started
paying attention to.


[01:40:22 - 01:40:25] Speaker: What what energy companies
are funding candidates.


[01:40:25 - 01:40:27] Speaker: So we want to know like what's going on.


[01:40:27 - 01:40:28] Speaker: We didn't know what was going on.


[01:40:28 - 01:40:30] Speaker: And that's when we got
we got caught. Yeah.


[01:40:30 - 01:40:34] Speaker: And it was like three, three
and a half weeks before an election.


[01:40:34 - 01:40:36] Speaker: So there was nothing we can do
with this information.


[01:40:36 - 01:40:38] Speaker: And we didn't find a paper trail anyway.


[01:40:38 - 01:40:39] Speaker: We did find essential water though.


[01:40:39 - 01:40:43] Speaker: That was water.
And they paid off a lot of.


[01:40:43 - 01:40:44] Speaker: Yes. Yeah.


[01:40:44 - 01:40:46] Speaker: Not enough time to expose it
before the election,


[01:40:46 - 01:40:48] Speaker: but enough to put it on our radar. Yeah.


[01:40:48 - 01:40:48] Speaker: To keep down.


[01:40:48 - 01:40:50] Speaker: So when I started getting calls


[01:40:50 - 01:40:53] Speaker: about data centers, which wasn't too long
after the 2024 election, I'll tell you,


[01:40:53 - 01:40:55] Speaker: that's a triggered.


[01:40:55 - 01:40:57] Speaker: I'm like,
that's what they were talking about,


[01:40:57 - 01:40:58] Speaker: and that's what they were talking about.


[01:40:58 - 01:41:02] Speaker: And and then looking at it, it's like,
okay, all of these jobs are inflated


[01:41:02 - 01:41:05] Speaker: because these are the jobs
for the builders.


[01:41:05 - 01:41:06] Speaker: Yeah,
most of the builders aren't around here.


[01:41:06 - 01:41:08] Speaker: Right? They can contract


[01:41:09 - 01:41:10] Speaker: anything.


[01:41:10 - 01:41:13] Speaker: Like even they think it's
going to bring in all these jobs.


[01:41:13 - 01:41:14] Speaker: It's not.


[01:41:14 - 01:41:17] Speaker: And when we legislate, it wasn't for this,
I think it was for the fracking


[01:41:17 - 01:41:18] Speaker: that they had.


[01:41:18 - 01:41:19] Speaker: It was like any company that builds,


[01:41:19 - 01:41:22] Speaker: they need to make a good faith effort
to hire locally.


[01:41:22 - 01:41:25] Speaker: Good faith effort was not defined
and then there's no oversight on it.


[01:41:25 - 01:41:27] Speaker: So how do you you guys keep going?


[01:41:27 - 01:41:28] Speaker: I got to change your battery.


[01:41:28 - 01:41:31] Speaker: That good a good faith effort to hire
locally is actually what


[01:41:31 - 01:41:35] Speaker: when you don't and you kind of
require them to 100% do that.


[01:41:35 - 01:41:37] Speaker: Right. That's the thing.


[01:41:37 - 01:41:39] Speaker: So and I would think that
and then what they do


[01:41:39 - 01:41:41] Speaker: hire it's usually temporary
just for a couple months.


[01:41:41 - 01:41:44] Speaker: And then they bring in-house employees
because they're specialized jobs


[01:41:44 - 01:41:47] Speaker: that generally people in our area
wouldn't have, you know, right.


[01:41:47 - 01:41:49] Speaker: So they bring people already in.


[01:41:49 - 01:41:52] Speaker: And I saw someone point out,
and it's just a common sense point


[01:41:52 - 01:41:57] Speaker: where they were looking at aerial views
of these data centers in other states.


[01:41:57 - 01:42:00] Speaker: And the buildings are huge
and the parking lots are small.


[01:42:01 - 01:42:02] Speaker: You're bringing in all of these jobs.


[01:42:02 - 01:42:05] Speaker: How come you don't have the capacity
to park?


[01:42:05 - 01:42:07] Speaker: Well,
I mean, most of it would be remote, right?


[01:42:07 - 01:42:09] Speaker: Like, is it
you'd be managing software or whatnot,


[01:42:09 - 01:42:11] Speaker: and then whatever hardware
you got to manage,


[01:42:11 - 01:42:13] Speaker: you would just have like maybe like a


[01:42:13 - 01:42:16] Speaker: I can do a janitor there
or be someone regulating controls.


[01:42:17 - 01:42:20] Speaker: But yeah,
there's oh, it's an awesome jobs or more.


[01:42:20 - 01:42:23] Speaker: But I doubt it will be local though
I think it would be in-house.


[01:42:23 - 01:42:26] Speaker: There is a proposed data center in


[01:42:27 - 01:42:28] Speaker: it's in Cumberland County, but


[01:42:28 - 01:42:32] Speaker: I can't remember the name of the township,
but it's one point 5,000,000ft².


[01:42:32 - 01:42:35] Speaker: That's where my in-laws live and where


[01:42:36 - 01:42:39] Speaker: the proposed they did their
their fiscal review or whatever,


[01:42:39 - 01:42:45] Speaker: and it shows they don't have 30 long term
jobs, one point 5,000,000ft², 30 goes in.


[01:42:45 - 01:42:46] Speaker: Yeah. No.


[01:42:46 - 01:42:49] Speaker: So not even from this area.


[01:42:50 - 01:42:51] Speaker: And that's not far.


[01:42:51 - 01:42:54] Speaker: That's like 2.5 hours south
I wish I can remember.


[01:42:54 - 01:42:56] Speaker: So when we went on to Ashburn,
the lady who gave us the tour


[01:42:56 - 01:42:58] Speaker: said,
we said how many jobs, how people work.


[01:42:58 - 01:43:01] Speaker: Here she goes. Nobody
look at the size of the parking lot.


[01:43:01 - 01:43:03] Speaker: She goes maybe like ten, 15 people.


[01:43:03 - 01:43:03] Speaker: That's it.


[01:43:03 - 01:43:08] Speaker: And a lot of the IT stuff
is, outsourced to like, India.


[01:43:09 - 01:43:10] Speaker: Yeah.


[01:43:10 - 01:43:11] Speaker: It's crazy.


[01:43:11 - 01:43:13] Speaker: Sorry about that.


[01:43:13 - 01:43:14] Speaker: I had to change a battery.


[01:43:14 - 01:43:16] Speaker: Okay.


[01:43:16 - 01:43:18] Speaker: We're pushing two, almost two hours.


[01:43:18 - 01:43:20] Speaker: It goes by fast, doesn't it?


[01:43:20 - 01:43:22] Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah.


[01:43:22 - 01:43:25] Speaker: All right, so let's get to.


[01:43:26 - 01:43:28] Speaker: I had all these questions for Fern,


[01:43:28 - 01:43:31] Speaker: and then you guys showed up
and you made it better. So,


[01:43:31 - 01:43:34] Speaker: Okay, let's talk about the future.


[01:43:34 - 01:43:37] Speaker: What's what's coming up? What's the
what's the race?


[01:43:37 - 01:43:40] Speaker: What are some of the issues and,


[01:43:40 - 01:43:43] Speaker: you know, how can how can people


[01:43:43 - 01:43:46] Speaker: get involved


[01:43:46 - 01:43:50] Speaker: or is or do we have to defer to her again
comes down to affordability.


[01:43:50 - 01:43:51] Speaker: Right.


[01:43:51 - 01:43:54] Speaker: Like all of our mortgages
just went up because our taxes went up.


[01:43:54 - 01:43:58] Speaker: Insurance companies,
they just they're not profitable anymore.


[01:43:58 - 01:44:02] Speaker: So now they are raising the rates
on everybody, and they're canceling people


[01:44:02 - 01:44:05] Speaker: who don't have a roof
that's 15 years or younger


[01:44:05 - 01:44:08] Speaker: and, like, so if you had a 30 year
warranty on your roof, it doesn't matter.


[01:44:08 - 01:44:10] Speaker: I know mine went up quite a bit.


[01:44:10 - 01:44:11] Speaker: Yours went up quite a bit.


[01:44:11 - 01:44:14] Speaker: All of our rates are about to jump,
and you know,


[01:44:14 - 01:44:18] Speaker: anybody who goes to a grocery store to buy
their food is feeling the squeeze.


[01:44:18 - 01:44:20] Speaker: Like there's
got to be something that we can do.


[01:44:20 - 01:44:23] Speaker: And I know,
yeah, you know, we're burning man.


[01:44:24 - 01:44:25] Speaker: And no,


[01:44:25 - 01:44:28] Speaker: I, I you're going to subsidize
that, right?


[01:44:29 - 01:44:31] Speaker: If you subsidize it, I'll do it.


[01:44:31 - 01:44:32] Speaker: I know we can't.
What were the grocery stores?


[01:44:32 - 01:44:36] Speaker: But we do have control over the tax code,
and someone's got to be


[01:44:36 - 01:44:40] Speaker: willing to sit down and figure out where
we can save the money, because right now,


[01:44:40 - 01:44:42] Speaker: you know, our kitchen table issues
is that we


[01:44:42 - 01:44:44] Speaker: can't afford to sit at our kitchen table.


[01:44:44 - 01:44:46] Speaker: Well,
do you think that somebody said to me


[01:44:46 - 01:44:49] Speaker: that, 
inflation is a tax by a different name?


[01:44:49 - 01:44:52] Speaker: Do you think that that the local.


[01:44:52 - 01:44:54] Speaker: Because, look,
all politics is local, right?


[01:44:54 - 01:44:59] Speaker: I like as much as people want to get
divisive over the daytime soap opera


[01:44:59 - 01:45:04] Speaker: of national politics, what really affects
you is the local stuff and the faster.


[01:45:05 - 01:45:08] Speaker: Yes. And and do you think that.


[01:45:08 - 01:45:11] Speaker: I mean, this is what I think is that
is that a lot of,


[01:45:11 - 01:45:15] Speaker: there is a lot of waste, fraud
and abuse in the government. Yes.


[01:45:15 - 01:45:20] Speaker: Every government, some to a lesser
degree, some to a monumental degree.


[01:45:20 - 01:45:22] Speaker: Do you think that there's something
that you


[01:45:22 - 01:45:25] Speaker: that can be done in the state
or locally to


[01:45:25 - 01:45:27] Speaker: because it's just like, remember
I said before,


[01:45:27 - 01:45:29] Speaker: they're not going to cure cancer
because the whole industry will go away.


[01:45:29 - 01:45:33] Speaker: There's a lot of people who work for
government that are probably unnecessary.


[01:45:35 - 01:45:37] Speaker: Not to say that they're unnecessary
as human beings,


[01:45:37 - 01:45:39] Speaker: but they're unnecessary
to be in the government.


[01:45:39 - 01:45:42] Speaker: Like, yeah, and we're not doing enough


[01:45:42 - 01:45:46] Speaker: to build jobs elsewhere
and we're filling in.


[01:45:46 - 01:45:48] Speaker: You're not wrong.
There are a lot of filler positions.


[01:45:48 - 01:45:49] Speaker: And it's, you know what?


[01:45:49 - 01:45:52] Speaker: The uncle, the uncles kid needed a job.


[01:45:52 - 01:45:55] Speaker: Yeah. So, you know, and that is something.


[01:45:55 - 01:45:57] Speaker: And we say that's another thing
that there's no oversight on.


[01:45:57 - 01:46:00] Speaker: There's oversight on the people, but
there's not oversight on the government.


[01:46:00 - 01:46:00] Speaker: Right.


[01:46:00 - 01:46:04] Speaker: So, yeah, that is an area
that we should definitely look at.


[01:46:04 - 01:46:05] Speaker: And, and I'm for it.


[01:46:05 - 01:46:08] Speaker: And not that I'm
for people not having jobs,


[01:46:08 - 01:46:12] Speaker: but there are other industries
that we can bring here besides energy.


[01:46:12 - 01:46:14] Speaker: We're never for fraud.


[01:46:14 - 01:46:17] Speaker: You know, none of us want fraud. Right?


[01:46:17 - 01:46:18] Speaker: And I understand like redundancy.


[01:46:18 - 01:46:21] Speaker: And that's relatively
speaking about like it's almost,


[01:46:21 - 01:46:24] Speaker: a lot of the times
there's jobs that are made because


[01:46:25 - 01:46:26] Speaker: the uncles,


[01:46:26 - 01:46:30] Speaker: your nephew needs a job
and they want to get them off the couch.


[01:46:30 - 01:46:33] Speaker: And that happens.
And like I used to describe politics


[01:46:33 - 01:46:35] Speaker: this way, you vote for the prom
king or queen.


[01:46:35 - 01:46:37] Speaker: And then unfortunately, the cool kids


[01:46:37 - 01:46:40] Speaker: table comes to run everything,
and none of them are qualified to do it,


[01:46:41 - 01:46:41] Speaker: you know?


[01:46:41 - 01:46:44] Speaker: And that's what that's
what most of government is.


[01:46:44 - 01:46:46] Speaker: And in my experience,


[01:46:46 - 01:46:50] Speaker: where like the gathering, I would have
all those guys run government data.


[01:46:50 - 01:46:53] Speaker: Yeah, they understand battle pass.


[01:46:53 - 01:46:54] Speaker: So I mean it's like so


[01:46:54 - 01:46:58] Speaker: that would be something that that could be
looked at the state level and locally.


[01:46:58 - 01:47:00] Speaker: I mean, you'd have relationships with,


[01:47:00 - 01:47:02] Speaker: you know, the boroughs
and the in the villages around.


[01:47:02 - 01:47:04] Speaker: Yeah,


[01:47:04 - 01:47:06] Speaker: I bet you do.


[01:47:06 - 01:47:08] Speaker: Well, I mean,
how else do you know what the issues are?


[01:47:08 - 01:47:09] Speaker: You don't.


[01:47:09 - 01:47:11] Speaker: My district is very diverse.


[01:47:11 - 01:47:12] Speaker: I mean, there's part of it


[01:47:12 - 01:47:15] Speaker: that's farmland and there's part of it
that's extraordinarily residential.


[01:47:15 - 01:47:17] Speaker: You know, I live in Dallas Township.


[01:47:17 - 01:47:19] Speaker: Kingston
Borough is also part of the district.


[01:47:19 - 01:47:21] Speaker: And what one needs doesn't matter
the other.


[01:47:21 - 01:47:24] Speaker: So it's not going to be an easy place
to represent.


[01:47:24 - 01:47:27] Speaker: Fortunately, I've lived in the city
and I've lived in the country


[01:47:27 - 01:47:31] Speaker: like I have a unique perspective because
I've seen both and I've lived both.


[01:47:31 - 01:47:34] Speaker: And, accessible
for people like I am accessible.


[01:47:34 - 01:47:37] Speaker: Yeah. My phone number is not a private
one. Please don't say it on here,


[01:47:38 - 01:47:38] Speaker: okay?


[01:47:38 - 01:47:42] Speaker: No, no, my my
son, both of my children are school age.


[01:47:42 - 01:47:45] Speaker: They're 14, and they're in high school,
and their friends have gotten


[01:47:45 - 01:47:46] Speaker: a hold of my cell phone number.


[01:47:46 - 01:47:50] Speaker: And they don't prank like they did
in the 90s, I'll tell you that.


[01:47:50 - 01:47:50] Speaker: Oh, no.


[01:47:50 - 01:47:52] Speaker: No flaming bags of poo on the front steps.


[01:47:52 - 01:47:54] Speaker: That's not what happens.


[01:47:54 - 01:47:56] Speaker: You got to level up there, okay?


[01:47:56 - 01:47:59] Speaker: I told you I was disappointed
in the quality of their praise.


[01:48:00 - 01:48:02] Speaker: Yeah,
these kids would be better off asking me


[01:48:02 - 01:48:06] Speaker: if my refrigerator is running good,
but they're my friend's kids.


[01:48:06 - 01:48:08] Speaker: I have the same numbers. I know.


[01:48:08 - 01:48:11] Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah,
but I let them go because I don't.


[01:48:11 - 01:48:14] Speaker: I don't mind that I'm
not inviting any viewers to prank me.


[01:48:14 - 01:48:15] Speaker: I'm not saying that.


[01:48:15 - 01:48:19] Speaker: But because I'm accessible,
that is an easier thing to find,


[01:48:19 - 01:48:21] Speaker: and you'll get a better response
with an email, to be honest.


[01:48:22 - 01:48:24] Speaker: So what do you do?


[01:48:24 - 01:48:25] Speaker: So what do you think?


[01:48:25 - 01:48:28] Speaker: What do you think the path to victory
is this time?


[01:48:28 - 01:48:30] Speaker: I think we continue on what we're doing.


[01:48:30 - 01:48:32] Speaker: I mean, I never left the community.


[01:48:32 - 01:48:33] Speaker: I mean, I'm doing what I always did.


[01:48:33 - 01:48:37] Speaker: It's just I wasn't public about it
before I ran for office


[01:48:37 - 01:48:40] Speaker: and all of the political work
I did, I kept in DC


[01:48:40 - 01:48:42] Speaker: because I didn't want to bother
my neighbors with it.


[01:48:42 - 01:48:45] Speaker: Like, yeah, I call your rep and vote
for this nonpartisan bill.


[01:48:45 - 01:48:47] Speaker: But that was as far as I left it.


[01:48:47 - 01:48:51] Speaker: People did not know how much I knew
and how plugged in I was.


[01:48:51 - 01:48:54] Speaker: And I certainly would have done more work
locally had


[01:48:54 - 01:48:56] Speaker: I known that I was going to run.


[01:48:56 - 01:48:59] Speaker: But it has been said to me many times,
like, you know, a lot of people run


[01:48:59 - 01:49:01] Speaker: and say they're all about the community,


[01:49:01 - 01:49:03] Speaker: and if they don't win,
we never see or hear from them again.


[01:49:03 - 01:49:05] Speaker: And that didn't happen with you.


[01:49:05 - 01:49:07] Speaker: And then ain't that the truth now?


[01:49:07 - 01:49:09] Speaker: Because I threw it on a billboard,


[01:49:09 - 01:49:12] Speaker: I think, to to round it back
to the beginning of the conversation,


[01:49:12 - 01:49:17] Speaker: that campaign strategy is still that
the power is with the people.


[01:49:17 - 01:49:19] Speaker: And then we see more people are waking up.


[01:49:19 - 01:49:23] Speaker: So we we will hit the streets,
we will talk to the everyday person,


[01:49:23 - 01:49:27] Speaker: not to corporations,
not to utility companies.


[01:49:27 - 01:49:27] Speaker: Nope.


[01:49:27 - 01:49:30] Speaker: We are going to hammer at home
with the people


[01:49:30 - 01:49:34] Speaker: that matter, the people that we see
every day, the people that eat breakfast


[01:49:34 - 01:49:38] Speaker: with at the fire stations
every Sunday, the people that burn,


[01:49:39 - 01:49:42] Speaker: yell at at township supervisor are you do
you get do you get feisty?


[01:49:43 - 01:49:47] Speaker: Yes. That and so even though she looks
it looks real legitimate.


[01:49:47 - 01:49:48] Speaker: Oh, I guess so.


[01:49:50 - 01:49:51] Speaker: She has it.


[01:49:51 - 01:49:51] Speaker: Yeah.


[01:49:51 - 01:49:54] Speaker: You I believe I don't go to them
because I don't have the self-discipline.


[01:49:54 - 01:49:56] Speaker: Yeah. Because you. Yeah.


[01:49:56 - 01:49:57] Speaker: I know, like, leave in my house.


[01:49:57 - 01:49:58] Speaker: There was a time in a place right.


[01:49:58 - 01:50:01] Speaker: Like if I'm always, you know,
losing my cool.


[01:50:01 - 01:50:04] Speaker: Yeah. Then what is that get? Nothing.


[01:50:04 - 01:50:07] Speaker: But there are times where it's
absolutely necessary.


[01:50:07 - 01:50:09] Speaker: I am not easily intimidated.


[01:50:09 - 01:50:11] Speaker: If you think I think, try me right now.


[01:50:11 - 01:50:12] Speaker: It's just me. Yeah.


[01:50:12 - 01:50:15] Speaker: You know, but there's there's that.


[01:50:15 - 01:50:18] Speaker: And the level of patience,
which is great that like that.


[01:50:18 - 01:50:21] Speaker: I, obviously that's not a quality I have,
you know what I mean?


[01:50:21 - 01:50:24] Speaker: Like, I get frustrated
if it's not right, I will call it out.


[01:50:24 - 01:50:28] Speaker: I mean, look what happened to our recent,
township manager.


[01:50:29 - 01:50:31] Speaker: Yes. Yes. Spoke up.


[01:50:31 - 01:50:32] Speaker: Well, yeah,
I you're looking at me like I know.


[01:50:32 - 01:50:34] Speaker: I don't know him.


[01:50:34 - 01:50:37] Speaker: Wait, what? No. You made it sound like,


[01:50:38 - 01:50:39] Speaker: Okay.


[01:50:39 - 01:50:41] Speaker: You know,


[01:50:41 - 01:50:41] Speaker: breaking news.


[01:50:41 - 01:50:44] Speaker: Crimes have been committed.


[01:50:44 - 01:50:47] Speaker: Yeah,
he had a very sudden retirement, right,


[01:50:47 - 01:50:50] Speaker: because things didn't go his way, or.


[01:50:50 - 01:50:51] Speaker: We're specular speculation.


[01:50:51 - 01:50:52] Speaker: I don't want to speculate.


[01:50:52 - 01:50:53] Speaker: We have speculation.


[01:50:53 - 01:50:56] Speaker: He has the same value as the data. Gotcha.


[01:50:56 - 01:50:59] Speaker: But she has called him out on it.
It's in film.


[01:50:59 - 01:51:01] Speaker: You can look. I'll send it to you
and you can.


[01:51:01 - 01:51:04] Speaker: It was dead silent after it was dead
silent like this.


[01:51:04 - 01:51:05] Speaker: I called him out, like,


[01:51:05 - 01:51:08] Speaker: okay, so you're just trying to get people
to be honest, right?


[01:51:08 - 01:51:11] Speaker: I am, I really am,
and there's I don't work for the township.


[01:51:11 - 01:51:12] Speaker: Right.


[01:51:12 - 01:51:13] Speaker: So, you know, a


[01:51:13 - 01:51:17] Speaker: lot of the concern, it comes from people
who are connected in one way or another.


[01:51:17 - 01:51:19] Speaker: And if they speak up, they don't.


[01:51:19 - 01:51:21] Speaker: They have the potential to lose their job.


[01:51:21 - 01:51:23] Speaker: And I I'm not going to name names.


[01:51:23 - 01:51:24] Speaker: I'm not throwing anybody under the bus.


[01:51:24 - 01:51:25] Speaker: But I will say it's not everybody.


[01:51:25 - 01:51:28] Speaker: So, you know, good luck. But it's


[01:51:29 - 01:51:33] Speaker: when he handed me the, amendment proposal


[01:51:33 - 01:51:37] Speaker: for the first time at the, zoning
or the Planning Commission meeting,


[01:51:37 - 01:51:40] Speaker: I said, if we have any questions,
where do we point them to?


[01:51:40 - 01:51:41] Speaker: And he said, that would be me.


[01:51:41 - 01:51:44] Speaker: And that was what, on December 9th


[01:51:44 - 01:51:47] Speaker: for a week in December.


[01:51:47 - 01:51:50] Speaker: And they called,


[01:51:50 - 01:51:54] Speaker: a special meeting on December 31st
at 1030 in the morning.


[01:51:54 - 01:51:56] Speaker: So New Year's Eve in the morning.
Yeah. That was that was.


[01:51:56 - 01:51:57] Speaker: Oh, yeah.


[01:51:57 - 01:51:59] Speaker: I called you to make sure.


[01:51:59 - 01:52:01] Speaker: No, to make sure nobody showed.


[01:52:01 - 01:52:02] Speaker: A lot of people showed.


[01:52:02 - 01:52:02] Speaker: Yeah.


[01:52:02 - 01:52:04] Speaker: I mean, they were counting on it, right?


[01:52:04 - 01:52:07] Speaker: And I said, well, where's Marty?


[01:52:08 - 01:52:10] Speaker: And they were like, oh, he retired.


[01:52:10 - 01:52:11] Speaker: Nobody was going to say anything.


[01:52:11 - 01:52:13] Speaker: No, I,
I hadn't heard about it before, but like,


[01:52:13 - 01:52:16] Speaker: I would have noticed him missing anyway
because he does his job.


[01:52:16 - 01:52:17] Speaker: He's always there. He answers questions.


[01:52:17 - 01:52:21] Speaker: But he said if I any questions between now
and the hearing, which is January 14th,


[01:52:22 - 01:52:23] Speaker: he's the one to reach out to.


[01:52:23 - 01:52:26] Speaker: If that man knew
he was retiring in less than three weeks,


[01:52:26 - 01:52:28] Speaker: he never would have said
that expectation with me.


[01:52:28 - 01:52:30] Speaker: I only know him professionally.


[01:52:30 - 01:52:31] Speaker: In his professional capacity.


[01:52:31 - 01:52:34] Speaker: But I know him well enough to know
he would not have set that expectation.


[01:52:34 - 01:52:37] Speaker: And as a matter of fact, at that Planning
Commission meeting they were making jokes


[01:52:37 - 01:52:40] Speaker: about retirements and he had said oh,
I'm only like 2 or 3 years away.


[01:52:41 - 01:52:44] Speaker: And all of a sudden less than three weeks
later, you're not there.


[01:52:45 - 01:52:47] Speaker: Red flag and I called them out on it.


[01:52:47 - 01:52:50] Speaker: And I said, if it's this board's intention
to make it look like you force him


[01:52:50 - 01:52:52] Speaker: in retirement,
then you have succeeded, right?


[01:52:52 - 01:52:54] Speaker: And they didn't honor this man.


[01:52:54 - 01:52:56] Speaker: Served our township for almost 40 years.


[01:52:56 - 01:53:00] Speaker: Wow. Almost 40 years in one position
or another.


[01:53:00 - 01:53:01] Speaker: They did not thank him.


[01:53:01 - 01:53:03] Speaker: They did not wish him well.


[01:53:03 - 01:53:04] Speaker: They did not announced his retirement.


[01:53:04 - 01:53:08] Speaker: I'm confident that they may not have had
I not pointed it out


[01:53:08 - 01:53:09] Speaker: and they didn't deserve it.


[01:53:09 - 01:53:10] Speaker: Like when our


[01:53:10 - 01:53:13] Speaker: our Chief of police announced that
he was retiring a couple of years ago.


[01:53:14 - 01:53:16] Speaker: And I'm not sure why he did that so long
and like that.


[01:53:16 - 01:53:17] Speaker: That's on.


[01:53:17 - 01:53:19] Speaker: That's up to Doug.
But there was a big what to do.


[01:53:19 - 01:53:21] Speaker: There was, you know,
thank you so much for your service.


[01:53:21 - 01:53:23] Speaker: We appreciate everything you've done.


[01:53:23 - 01:53:28] Speaker: When our secretary treasurer retired over
the summer, there was a big what to do.


[01:53:28 - 01:53:30] Speaker: Like, this is his last meeting.
We're going to say goodbye.


[01:53:30 - 01:53:34] Speaker: We wish you the best of luck and crickets
when it came to Martin.


[01:53:34 - 01:53:35] Speaker: Yeah. Who's Marty?


[01:53:37 - 01:53:39] Speaker: No, no, no,
I mean, I mean, they would have said that.


[01:53:39 - 01:53:40] Speaker: They would have been like,
oh, where's Marty?


[01:53:40 - 01:53:42] Speaker: Like, who's Marty Weeden?


[01:53:42 - 01:53:44] Speaker: Yeah. He disappeared. He's gone.
We don't know.


[01:53:44 - 01:53:48] Speaker: And after he spoke
like it was like dead silent, like dead.


[01:53:48 - 01:53:49] Speaker: So it was like eerie,
you know what I mean?


[01:53:49 - 01:53:51] Speaker: Like, there was no receiver.


[01:53:51 - 01:53:54] Speaker: There was no like, oh my gosh,
we're so busy in this game so quick.


[01:53:54 - 01:53:55] Speaker: We'd have to have a plan. Nothing.


[01:53:55 - 01:53:55] Speaker: Yeah.


[01:53:55 - 01:53:57] Speaker: And I mean and they could have went
the other route like for a year


[01:53:57 - 01:53:59] Speaker: just being crazy right.
Like we would never do that.


[01:53:59 - 01:54:01] Speaker: Why are you sitting here
with these accusations?


[01:54:01 - 01:54:02] Speaker: But they said nothing.


[01:54:02 - 01:54:05] Speaker: It was like getting just caught
with your hand in the cookie jar.


[01:54:05 - 01:54:08] Speaker: That's what it was. The vibe.
I felt like. So. Yeah.


[01:54:08 - 01:54:12] Speaker: And even though I want to work with them
on the data centers, I will call it out


[01:54:12 - 01:54:13] Speaker: if it's wrong.


[01:54:13 - 01:54:14] Speaker: Sure you should.


[01:54:14 - 01:54:18] Speaker: So, you know, if we
we want to think I look timid,


[01:54:18 - 01:54:20] Speaker: then you're just going to be surprised
when you do something wrong,


[01:54:20 - 01:54:22] Speaker: because I will tell you about it.


[01:54:22 - 01:54:24] Speaker: And anything that we can do to do it.


[01:54:24 - 01:54:28] Speaker: Like, I just thought it was extremely
inconsiderate


[01:54:28 - 01:54:31] Speaker: for us to not show him
the same level of respect


[01:54:31 - 01:54:35] Speaker: as we did the others, as we have done
all of the others beforehand.


[01:54:35 - 01:54:37] Speaker: That is another red flag.


[01:54:37 - 01:54:40] Speaker: I mean, I mean, look, man,
when your Spidey sense goes up,


[01:54:40 - 01:54:41] Speaker: it's for a reason.


[01:54:41 - 01:54:45] Speaker: You might be wrong,
but you're probably right.


[01:54:45 - 01:54:47] Speaker: Trust your intuition.
Yeah, you always have to.


[01:54:47 - 01:54:49] Speaker: That's the universe talking to you.


[01:54:49 - 01:54:50] Speaker: Whatever that means.


[01:54:50 - 01:54:51] Speaker: Yeah.


[01:54:51 - 01:54:54] Speaker: Recently, like when we had the hearing,
like they said, they.


[01:54:54 - 01:54:56] Speaker: When we Dallas Township
members can talk me like that.


[01:54:56 - 01:54:57] Speaker: I don't think that's right.


[01:54:57 - 01:54:58] Speaker: I don't think that's right.


[01:54:58 - 01:55:01] Speaker: And I second guess myself
that I should not have lesson learned.


[01:55:01 - 01:55:02] Speaker: Yeah. Right.


[01:55:02 - 01:55:04] Speaker: Yeah.
You got the fact that they should have.


[01:55:04 - 01:55:06] Speaker: I double checked it to see if I was right.


[01:55:06 - 01:55:08] Speaker: And I was like, she said something.


[01:55:08 - 01:55:11] Speaker: If they would have fought back and
I wouldn't have had the claws in my head


[01:55:11 - 01:55:14] Speaker: anyway, usually I come over here with,
yeah, usually.


[01:55:14 - 01:55:17] Speaker: Really. But,
you know, I know I, I know this guy.


[01:55:17 - 01:55:19] Speaker: I know this guy
that just spent three months in jail


[01:55:19 - 01:55:22] Speaker: because he he refused to pay a $400 fine
for something he didn't believe in.


[01:55:23 - 01:55:27] Speaker: Okay, well, yeah, I did a podcast, and
he's he's one of the most brilliant guys.


[01:55:27 - 01:55:32] Speaker: He's a hard core, like, 
Constitution guy, like all that.


[01:55:32 - 01:55:34] Speaker: And, you got to look at
his name is George.


[01:55:34 - 01:55:36] Speaker: You. He's he's awesome people.
It's uncanny.


[01:55:36 - 01:55:37] Speaker: He's from Tunkhannock.


[01:55:37 - 01:55:39] Speaker: People up there like he's the best.


[01:55:39 - 01:55:40] Speaker: I love him.


[01:55:40 - 01:55:45] Speaker: By the beginning of February,
the butcher pigs, I'm going to.


[01:55:45 - 01:55:47] Speaker: Well, can I can
I want to lock on a trailer?


[01:55:47 - 01:55:50] Speaker: So when I said to him,
when I said, like, he


[01:55:50 - 01:55:53] Speaker: he would call me and I'd have to record
the conversations from jail.


[01:55:54 - 01:55:56] Speaker: And the one thing he said to me, he goes,


[01:55:56 - 01:56:00] Speaker: I said, I said, dude,
just pay the money like the machines.


[01:56:00 - 01:56:01] Speaker: He's like, no.


[01:56:01 - 01:56:02] Speaker: And I said, but you're losing.


[01:56:02 - 01:56:04] Speaker: He goes, I'm not losing. I'm learning.


[01:56:04 - 01:56:08] Speaker: And I was like, okay,
I totally get behind it.


[01:56:08 - 01:56:08] Speaker: Yeah.


[01:56:08 - 01:56:10] Speaker: So every time he like,
you think it's a loss.


[01:56:10 - 01:56:11] Speaker: It's not a loss.


[01:56:11 - 01:56:14] Speaker: Learning experience. Yep, yep.


[01:56:15 - 01:56:17] Speaker: You know, without violence.


[01:56:17 - 01:56:22] Speaker: Hopefully I'm hoping that I'm hoping it's
all of a a high five revolution.


[01:56:22 - 01:56:22] Speaker: Right.


[01:56:22 - 01:56:25] Speaker: And I mean and that's kind of where
we're going with the campaign.


[01:56:25 - 01:56:28] Speaker: Like we have learned a lot
in the last couple of years


[01:56:28 - 01:56:30] Speaker: because, yeah,
I know a lot about political process.


[01:56:30 - 01:56:32] Speaker: And I know, you know, I was broke.


[01:56:32 - 01:56:33] Speaker: I know how it's supposed to work,


[01:56:33 - 01:56:36] Speaker: and I know how people think it works,
and I know how it actually works. Yeah.


[01:56:36 - 01:56:39] Speaker: And those three sentences have the word
works in common, and that's about it.


[01:56:40 - 01:56:43] Speaker: But I also know that hard work pays off.


[01:56:43 - 01:56:46] Speaker: It may have taken a decade
to get that bill passed, but we did.


[01:56:47 - 01:56:49] Speaker: I think you should definitely
be proud of that.


[01:56:49 - 01:56:53] Speaker: It, it's, you know, aside from my kids


[01:56:53 - 01:56:56] Speaker: being good humans, it's probably
the next thing that I am most proud of.


[01:56:56 - 01:56:59] Speaker: So went very hard for that.


[01:56:59 - 01:57:02] Speaker: And when I first started,
I had no idea what I was doing.


[01:57:02 - 01:57:05] Speaker: I was very green and they just said,
you know, this bill is in Congress.


[01:57:05 - 01:57:06] Speaker: Just keep an eye out.


[01:57:06 - 01:57:08] Speaker: And I was like,
my son's like, I can't afford


[01:57:08 - 01:57:11] Speaker: these are thousands of dollars
for someone like me.


[01:57:11 - 01:57:13] Speaker: Yeah, not like that for other people.


[01:57:13 - 01:57:15] Speaker: But I might need you to be nice to me
because they were babies


[01:57:15 - 01:57:18] Speaker: and I kept my eye on it from DC.


[01:57:18 - 01:57:21] Speaker: I hauled my butt down there
with the lymphedema advocacy group faster


[01:57:21 - 01:57:23] Speaker: than you Can blink. And that's
when I started. I was very green.


[01:57:23 - 01:57:25] Speaker: I had no idea what I was doing.


[01:57:25 - 01:57:27] Speaker: I had no idea who my congressman was.


[01:57:27 - 01:57:30] Speaker: I didn't know that there were state
senators and U.S.


[01:57:30 - 01:57:32] Speaker: senators. I had no idea any of that.


[01:57:32 - 01:57:35] Speaker: And I got a crash course, and I learned
real quick, you know what I mean?


[01:57:35 - 01:57:36] Speaker: So you taught me that.


[01:57:36 - 01:57:37] Speaker: I thought it was really cool.


[01:57:37 - 01:57:40] Speaker: It was, when you first started
speaking publicly.


[01:57:40 - 01:57:42] Speaker: When we first started doing
this was rules reform.


[01:57:42 - 01:57:45] Speaker: And now, like, you know,
both parties have to agree that that's,


[01:57:46 - 01:57:47] Speaker: you know, things,
you have to go to committee.


[01:57:47 - 01:57:50] Speaker: Then they come out the door and,
and how a bipartisan bill


[01:57:50 - 01:57:52] Speaker: is only heard
one day out of the year or something.


[01:57:52 - 01:57:54] Speaker: Oh, yeah.
I think that that is a great thing.


[01:57:54 - 01:57:57] Speaker: So, for anybody who doesn't know,


[01:57:57 - 01:58:00] Speaker: the the rules
are the first thing that gets voted on.


[01:58:00 - 01:58:01] Speaker: Oh that's right. Yeah.


[01:58:01 - 01:58:02] Speaker: Okay.


[01:58:02 - 01:58:05] Speaker: A lot and it's a they change a little bit.


[01:58:05 - 01:58:06] Speaker: There's a little bit of nuance in there,


[01:58:06 - 01:58:08] Speaker: but it's
usually the first thing you vote on.


[01:58:08 - 01:58:10] Speaker: It is a very, very large bill.


[01:58:10 - 01:58:13] Speaker: And most people don't even know
what they're voting on,


[01:58:13 - 01:58:14] Speaker: especially the new people.


[01:58:14 - 01:58:18] Speaker: And the way that it is set up
is that, you know,


[01:58:18 - 01:58:19] Speaker: you write a bill, it goes to committee.


[01:58:19 - 01:58:23] Speaker: And then if the chair of that committee
doesn't like your bill, it dies.


[01:58:23 - 01:58:24] Speaker: Yep, yep.


[01:58:24 - 01:58:26] Speaker: And if you manage to get it out


[01:58:26 - 01:58:29] Speaker: of committee, if the House majority leader
doesn't like it, your bill dies.


[01:58:30 - 01:58:31] Speaker: If the speaker doesn't
like it, your bill dies.


[01:58:31 - 01:58:33] Speaker: And they have a similar system
in the Senate.


[01:58:33 - 01:58:37] Speaker: So every single bill
only six people matter.


[01:58:38 - 01:58:39] Speaker: Isn't that crazy?


[01:58:39 - 01:58:42] Speaker: So when you are voting for something
like that, you are voting away


[01:58:42 - 01:58:44] Speaker: your right to represent your people.


[01:58:44 - 01:58:48] Speaker: And I know that there are some other areas
where they have what is called,


[01:58:48 - 01:58:50] Speaker: a birthday bill.


[01:58:50 - 01:58:53] Speaker: I don't know what it's officially called,
but each rep gets one bill


[01:58:53 - 01:58:56] Speaker: that just goes right to the floor
and is open for discussion.


[01:58:56 - 01:58:57] Speaker: It doesn't mean it's going to pass.


[01:58:57 - 01:58:59] Speaker: It doesn't mean that it's
going to instantly become law.


[01:58:59 - 01:59:01] Speaker: But it is
something that you are working on


[01:59:01 - 01:59:04] Speaker: for your constituents
that would otherwise not be heard,


[01:59:04 - 01:59:07] Speaker: because it's going to be left up to
the donors of the chair of that committee.


[01:59:08 - 01:59:09] Speaker: Right. I said what I said.


[01:59:09 - 01:59:13] Speaker: So I think that is something
that a lot of people don't know.


[01:59:13 - 01:59:14] Speaker: And I think that a lot of bills


[01:59:14 - 01:59:18] Speaker: are not going to get through
until we are able to change that.


[01:59:18 - 01:59:20] Speaker: And that is not part of the Pennsylvania
Constitution.


[01:59:20 - 01:59:22] Speaker: That is something that we can set.


[01:59:22 - 01:59:24] Speaker: That is something
that can absolutely be changed.


[01:59:24 - 01:59:26] Speaker: And I don't know
how long you've been in place,


[01:59:26 - 01:59:29] Speaker: but when I started looking at state
government, why don't we get anything


[01:59:29 - 01:59:29] Speaker: done?


[01:59:29 - 01:59:32] Speaker: We're like, I think we're the second
largest state government in the country


[01:59:33 - 01:59:35] Speaker: as far as like legislators.


[01:59:35 - 01:59:36] Speaker: I think with the second.


[01:59:37 - 01:59:39] Speaker: But it's like,


[01:59:39 - 01:59:42] Speaker: but we have 253 and 86 in the matter
on any given bill.


[01:59:42 - 01:59:45] Speaker: I mean, if that isn't corruption,
if that isn't right


[01:59:45 - 01:59:47] Speaker: and it's both parties voting,
it doesn't matter who the majority is.


[01:59:47 - 01:59:49] Speaker: They both vote to have that.


[01:59:49 - 01:59:51] Speaker: Yeah, and they did.


[01:59:51 - 01:59:54] Speaker: And I think that a lot more progress.


[01:59:55 - 01:59:58] Speaker: There
I use the word progress in politics.


[01:59:58 - 02:00:01] Speaker: But it would be me
if that wasn't in place.


[02:00:02 - 02:00:04] Speaker: I think like I think


[02:00:04 - 02:00:07] Speaker: well, you're, you're,
you're you're handcuffed.


[02:00:07 - 02:00:10] Speaker: Right. You can't even on purpose. Exactly.


[02:00:10 - 02:00:13] Speaker: But until people know about it and that's
the problem a lot of people don't know.


[02:00:13 - 02:00:16] Speaker: I didn't know you have it to you,
but I want to go in there.


[02:00:16 - 02:00:19] Speaker: But even representatives
who don't realize it until it's too late,


[02:00:19 - 02:00:22] Speaker: because it's the first thing
you vote on and like, well, you think


[02:00:22 - 02:00:25] Speaker: if you think they'd be like, all right,
next year we'll get we'll catch that.


[02:00:25 - 02:00:25] Speaker: And then they don't


[02:00:27 - 02:00:28] Speaker: like the cycle continues.


[02:00:28 - 02:00:32] Speaker: But again, they choose my buddy
my my buddy.


[02:00:32 - 02:00:36] Speaker: A hot topic issue and it should be
my buddy was chief of staff


[02:00:36 - 02:00:37] Speaker: or a state rep here.


[02:00:37 - 02:00:40] Speaker: And he told me one day he goes
everybody gets corrupted


[02:00:40 - 02:00:43] Speaker: in the first two weeks
when they get in there. Everybody.


[02:00:43 - 02:00:45] Speaker: I don't believe everybody does.


[02:00:45 - 02:00:48] Speaker: So I think, well, if you don't know,
that's why I warn all the state reps.


[02:00:48 - 02:00:53] Speaker: Now I'm like, yo, for the first two weeks,
like be steely eyed man, like don't,


[02:00:53 - 02:00:56] Speaker: don't, don't take meetings
with crazy people or hear them out


[02:00:56 - 02:00:57] Speaker: but don't make any decisions,
blah, blah, blah.


[02:00:57 - 02:00:59] Speaker: Like you got to stick to your guns.


[02:00:59 - 02:01:01] Speaker: Jamie's one of those people.


[02:01:01 - 02:01:05] Speaker: He said the first two weeks was brutal,
brutal.


[02:01:05 - 02:01:07] Speaker: I know that.


[02:01:07 - 02:01:08] Speaker: I mean, you grew up doubting.


[02:01:08 - 02:01:10] Speaker: You grew up in a way that,
you know is a comparable experience.


[02:01:10 - 02:01:12] Speaker: You foster home.
She's been through a lot of stuff.


[02:01:12 - 02:01:14] Speaker: So I think, I mean, everything's
all relative.


[02:01:14 - 02:01:17] Speaker: So as much as it might be brutal for
someone that isn't used to like hardship,


[02:01:18 - 02:01:20] Speaker: someone that's been through it,
I mean, I think she's just like,


[02:01:20 - 02:01:22] Speaker: we probably have a good constitution.


[02:01:22 - 02:01:25] Speaker: I did not know how much I had been through
until I ran for office


[02:01:25 - 02:01:28] Speaker: and had to look back on it,
because I'm always moving forward.


[02:01:28 - 02:01:30] Speaker: Yeah, yeah,
you get knocked down. It's as long as you.


[02:01:30 - 02:01:33] Speaker: As long as that number is one
less than the times you've gotten.


[02:01:33 - 02:01:35] Speaker: Right? Right.


[02:01:35 - 02:01:38] Speaker: But I am aware that, you know, if


[02:01:38 - 02:01:44] Speaker: if you don't play their games and I won't,
they will put you on committees


[02:01:44 - 02:01:46] Speaker: that have nothing
to do with your district.


[02:01:47 - 02:01:50] Speaker: They will make sure
that you sit on committees with people.


[02:01:50 - 02:01:53] Speaker: They know that you can't stand things
like that, like the internal stuff.


[02:01:53 - 02:01:54] Speaker: They'll make sure that money doesn't
go to your district.


[02:01:54 - 02:01:56] Speaker: They never get our local damn party.


[02:01:56 - 02:01:59] Speaker: So, like, you're built for this. Back.


[02:01:59 - 02:02:02] Speaker: Back to the back to the high school lunch
table, man.


[02:02:02 - 02:02:04] Speaker: It's like nothing's changed.


[02:02:04 - 02:02:05] Speaker: Yeah, they'll make you hate your job.


[02:02:05 - 02:02:07] Speaker: I mean, they do that for me
as a campaign manager.


[02:02:07 - 02:02:09] Speaker: What they do are like resources and stuff.


[02:02:09 - 02:02:10] Speaker: And I'm just like, okay, yeah, they do it.


[02:02:10 - 02:02:12] Speaker: I was like, you know, I'll find it.


[02:02:12 - 02:02:15] Speaker: So what is so
are you going to have a primary challenger


[02:02:16 - 02:02:20] Speaker: or you don't need a no no,
I we're told yes, yes, it's right now.


[02:02:20 - 02:02:21] Speaker: It's not on the books but. Yeah.


[02:02:21 - 02:02:23] Speaker: All right. Are you.


[02:02:23 - 02:02:26] Speaker: And I'm, I'm not asking
this expecting an answer but like if,


[02:02:27 - 02:02:30] Speaker: like depending on who wins the primary,
is there like support


[02:02:30 - 02:02:31] Speaker: there on the other side.


[02:02:32 - 02:02:33] Speaker: What do you mean.


[02:02:33 - 02:02:36] Speaker: Well in other words,
like so like, for instance,


[02:02:36 - 02:02:39] Speaker: if I was running for office
against somebody else in the primary


[02:02:39 - 02:02:43] Speaker: and then the other person won the primary,
I would I would have the choice


[02:02:43 - 02:02:46] Speaker: of whether to support that person
or just not participate.


[02:02:46 - 02:02:49] Speaker: For the general, it's
going to depend on who it is.


[02:02:49 - 02:02:52] Speaker: Well, if it's who I think it is,
I'd say more than likely


[02:02:52 - 02:02:54] Speaker: we would probably shy away
from supporting them.


[02:02:54 - 02:02:55] Speaker: Okay.


[02:02:55 - 02:02:57] Speaker: Of their values would be aligned with ours
if we.


[02:02:57 - 02:02:58] Speaker: Yeah.


[02:02:58 - 02:03:01] Speaker: Look, man, Democrat
Republican is a softball t shirt man.


[02:03:01 - 02:03:06] Speaker: It like they they they interchange those
all the time and I don't give a damn.


[02:03:06 - 02:03:09] Speaker: As long as you're a good person
and you try not to like.


[02:03:09 - 02:03:10] Speaker: Yeah.


[02:03:10 - 02:03:13] Speaker: I don't think this particular person,
if it is who it is


[02:03:13 - 02:03:16] Speaker: we believe,
is it really doesn't mirror our values.


[02:03:16 - 02:03:19] Speaker: So we probably
I mean that's fair operates politically.


[02:03:19 - 02:03:21] Speaker: So if it is who
we think it is and I don't want to


[02:03:23 - 02:03:26] Speaker: include our person doesn't run
I don't want to know.


[02:03:26 - 02:03:28] Speaker: I don't have to say anything.
I was just curious.


[02:03:28 - 02:03:29] Speaker: We know how this person operates
politically.


[02:03:29 - 02:03:33] Speaker: And if it is there then no, no, no, sir.


[02:03:33 - 02:03:35] Speaker: I don't


[02:03:35 - 02:03:38] Speaker: even in their position to get out of like
legal trouble and stuff.


[02:03:38 - 02:03:42] Speaker: Like it's a whole well, I mean, like
the uphill battle is that you have to


[02:03:42 - 02:03:45] Speaker: convince, Republicans


[02:03:45 - 02:03:48] Speaker: and Democrats cause it's not because it's
not a, it's not a it's not a


[02:03:50 - 02:03:52] Speaker: it's not a sure thing


[02:03:52 - 02:03:54] Speaker: that you're going
to get all the Democrat votes,


[02:03:54 - 02:03:56] Speaker: or if you're a Republican,
you're getting all the Republican votes.


[02:03:56 - 02:03:59] Speaker: You got to get people to come to your side
in some way.


[02:03:59 - 02:04:03] Speaker: I think the data centers in fighting
those is, is, is is


[02:04:03 - 02:04:05] Speaker: it's almost like the perfect storm.


[02:04:05 - 02:04:05] Speaker: Yeah.


[02:04:05 - 02:04:09] Speaker: My first opponent was funded
by a lot of energy companies.


[02:04:09 - 02:04:11] Speaker: So yes, we know where she stands. Yeah.


[02:04:11 - 02:04:13] Speaker: She doesn't need to learn.


[02:04:13 - 02:04:14] Speaker: Will work incredibly hard.


[02:04:14 - 02:04:16] Speaker: So I don't doubt that,


[02:04:17 - 02:04:18] Speaker: votes


[02:04:18 - 02:04:21] Speaker: in the primary that we need
and if anybody likes


[02:04:21 - 02:04:24] Speaker: what we had to say here and to reach out
to our campaign, they can.


[02:04:24 - 02:04:27] Speaker: And I think that I've more than proven
that I am willing to talk to everybody.


[02:04:27 - 02:04:30] Speaker: And I do know the way
they would reach out to us,


[02:04:30 - 02:04:33] Speaker: though, would be through the website
or a Facebook messenger.


[02:04:33 - 02:04:35] Speaker: You know,
she has a Facebook page for state rep.


[02:04:35 - 02:04:37] Speaker: They can messages through there. Okay.


[02:04:37 - 02:04:39] Speaker: If you want to donate.


[02:04:39 - 02:04:41] Speaker: Is that all on the is it on the website?


[02:04:41 - 02:04:42] Speaker: It's on the website.


[02:04:42 - 02:04:43] Speaker: Can you donate from the website?


[02:04:43 - 02:04:45] Speaker: Yes. There's a donate button. Yes.


[02:04:45 - 02:04:49] Speaker: And we also have like a poll box for
people that are old school want to know.


[02:04:50 - 02:04:53] Speaker: So, that's all good,
but you can go right to the website


[02:04:53 - 02:04:56] Speaker: if you just type in firmly
and it will pop up. It's vote for.


[02:04:57 - 02:04:58] Speaker: You know what I do?


[02:04:58 - 02:05:01] Speaker: Because I have a sense of humor.
And I thought it was funny.


[02:05:01 - 02:05:03] Speaker: We bought the domain. Learn
about fern.com.


[02:05:03 - 02:05:04] Speaker: Why don't you do that?


[02:05:04 - 02:05:05] Speaker: I do have it.


[02:05:05 - 02:05:07] Speaker: You can go there and it will forward
you to my website. Yes.


[02:05:07 - 02:05:09] Speaker: So to learn about


[02:05:09 - 02:05:10] Speaker: why don't you
why don't you have a tab or section


[02:05:10 - 02:05:13] Speaker: on your website
that says learn about Fern?


[02:05:13 - 02:05:14] Speaker: Oh, perfect.


[02:05:14 - 02:05:14] Speaker: This is great.


[02:05:14 - 02:05:16] Speaker: Yeah. So, like you could go there.


[02:05:16 - 02:05:20] Speaker: We also have meatball on there,
which is, my neighbor, our mascot.


[02:05:20 - 02:05:21] Speaker: Yeah, my neighbor's dog.


[02:05:21 - 02:05:23] Speaker: I was going to get put down.


[02:05:23 - 02:05:24] Speaker: It wasn't her dog originally.


[02:05:24 - 02:05:26] Speaker: She went and, adopted it.


[02:05:26 - 02:05:28] Speaker: Okay, I don't know.


[02:05:28 - 02:05:31] Speaker: I didn't know are hopping into puppy euthanasia right now, but let's go. Let's go


[02:05:32 - 02:05:32] Speaker: down.


[02:05:32 - 02:05:33] Speaker: She saved them.


[02:05:33 - 02:05:36] Speaker: And it looks like
the head is as big as a rod.


[02:05:36 - 02:05:38] Speaker: Yeah, he's like that of a pug.


[02:05:38 - 02:05:39] Speaker: And it's so cute.


[02:05:39 - 02:05:42] Speaker: And our mascot,
it goes to the polls with us.


[02:05:42 - 02:05:42] Speaker: Yeah.


[02:05:42 - 02:05:44] Speaker: She goes and she's on our website,


[02:05:44 - 02:05:47] Speaker: if you like, hit her nose
and you donate, like, a dollar.


[02:05:47 - 02:05:52] Speaker: This is I just
I just want to thank you guys all.


[02:05:52 - 02:05:55] Speaker: I want to thank you all for letting
me feel like I was part of the view.


[02:05:55 - 02:05:56] Speaker: And I get I get it.


[02:05:56 - 02:05:59] Speaker: I'm getting a lot of.


[02:05:59 - 02:06:01] Speaker: Just kidding, I don't. Yeah.


[02:06:01 - 02:06:04] Speaker: Oh that's like that's the
that's the that's the show that you watch.


[02:06:04 - 02:06:06] Speaker: If you have a bunch of rotten fruit
and don't care about your TV,


[02:06:06 - 02:06:10] Speaker: like that's the doctor's office,
I was just going to say it's off of there.


[02:06:10 - 02:06:11] Speaker: Yeah. That's how that's what?


[02:06:11 - 02:06:14] Speaker: That's that they got rid of daytime soaps.


[02:06:14 - 02:06:17] Speaker: Now they're pumping in this mentally
ill stuff into the doctor's offices.


[02:06:17 - 02:06:18] Speaker: And you're like, just put on cartoons.


[02:06:18 - 02:06:21] Speaker: Like, all I want to do is watch, like, 80s
cartoons.


[02:06:21 - 02:06:26] Speaker: It's, So, okay, so for an for par


[02:06:27 - 02:06:31] Speaker: vote for
number, for par, and then and then


[02:06:32 - 02:06:34] Speaker: Hannah and Shannon.


[02:06:34 - 02:06:37] Speaker: I'm sorry I said your name wrong earlier.


[02:06:37 - 02:06:38] Speaker: Oh, I didn't know you guys
until you walked in the door.


[02:06:38 - 02:06:41] Speaker: So, what are you.


[02:06:42 - 02:06:44] Speaker: What are you guys doing?
Are you guys doing.


[02:06:44 - 02:06:48] Speaker: Are you doing anything outside of them
or like that you're trying to advocate for


[02:06:48 - 02:06:49] Speaker: or have anybody?


[02:06:49 - 02:06:50] Speaker: She's on our campaign team.


[02:06:50 - 02:06:52] Speaker: I mean, she's a pivotal
part of the campaign.


[02:06:52 - 02:06:53] Speaker: Are you doing media and stuff?


[02:06:53 - 02:06:55] Speaker: Yeah, just for fun.


[02:06:55 - 02:06:56] Speaker: Okay.


[02:06:56 - 02:06:56] Speaker: All right.


[02:06:56 - 02:06:58] Speaker: And you're terrifying.


[02:06:58 - 02:07:01] Speaker: Like you're all that for me, I.


[02:07:01 - 02:07:03] Speaker: I'm like, whatever you're going to do,


[02:07:03 - 02:07:06] Speaker: hit her with good energy
or else it's going to be big trouble.


[02:07:06 - 02:07:08] Speaker: Yeah. No, I mean, like, no.


[02:07:08 - 02:07:10] Speaker: We're always looking for volunteers,
though.


[02:07:10 - 02:07:10] Speaker: I mean, like,


[02:07:10 - 02:07:13] Speaker: we have other groups that we do
other stuff in the community as well,


[02:07:13 - 02:07:14] Speaker: you know what I mean?


[02:07:14 - 02:07:19] Speaker: Like from food drives to clothing drives
to to any families in need.


[02:07:19 - 02:07:20] Speaker: I mean, like,
we're we're really just trying


[02:07:20 - 02:07:22] Speaker: to fill in the gaps here
during the hard times.


[02:07:22 - 02:07:25] Speaker: So, if you win the primary,
you want to come back.


[02:07:25 - 02:07:26] Speaker: Okay.


[02:07:27 - 02:07:28] Speaker: Yeah, but it's back whenever.


[02:07:28 - 02:07:30] Speaker: Yeah. You just want her, I guess.


[02:07:30 - 02:07:31] Speaker: Is it over there?


[02:07:31 - 02:07:36] Speaker: Yeah, I, I don't I don't see any scenario
where you're quiet,


[02:07:36 - 02:07:39] Speaker: I don't see I don't see any,
I really does.


[02:07:40 - 02:07:41] Speaker: No, but you have
but you but you're passionate.


[02:07:41 - 02:07:43] Speaker: You have a wealth of information too,


[02:07:43 - 02:07:45] Speaker: which is valuable
and I think and I'm happy that all that.


[02:07:45 - 02:07:50] Speaker: But I also that all three of you are here
and and and align everywhere.


[02:07:50 - 02:07:51] Speaker: But I think that's important.


[02:07:51 - 02:07:55] Speaker: And I will note that I do have a diverse
team here and diverse in their views.


[02:07:55 - 02:07:57] Speaker: I do not surround myself with yes men.


[02:07:57 - 02:07:58] Speaker: I do not live in a bubble right, right.


[02:07:58 - 02:08:00] Speaker: And I welcome that.


[02:08:00 - 02:08:03] Speaker: Like, even if, you know, you like
most of what I have to say


[02:08:03 - 02:08:06] Speaker: and you want to be involved, like it's
okay to disagree


[02:08:06 - 02:08:09] Speaker: because you're not going to align 100%
with everybody.


[02:08:09 - 02:08:12] Speaker: But I will listen to
you and I will hear your point of view.


[02:08:12 - 02:08:15] Speaker: And you know,
you presented with certain facts.


[02:08:15 - 02:08:18] Speaker: You know,
that's that's how people change minds.


[02:08:18 - 02:08:21] Speaker: I'm, I'm
assuming that your primary challenger


[02:08:21 - 02:08:24] Speaker: or your,
your general challenger can't say that.


[02:08:25 - 02:08:26] Speaker: Can't


[02:08:26 - 02:08:29] Speaker: say that you're you're willing to listen.


[02:08:29 - 02:08:30] Speaker: I just don't see it.


[02:08:30 - 02:08:33] Speaker: I think this all this politic stuff
is like, it's going to take a sea change


[02:08:33 - 02:08:36] Speaker: to get people out of these,
these gullies that they're in


[02:08:36 - 02:08:39] Speaker: of team Red or Team Blue.


[02:08:39 - 02:08:42] Speaker: And I just, I, I'm just you're look,
I don't know


[02:08:42 - 02:08:45] Speaker: I don't even know if we, I don't even know
where we differ ideologically.


[02:08:45 - 02:08:48] Speaker: But I'm, I'm grateful to sit and talk
with all of you.


[02:08:48 - 02:08:49] Speaker: Well, thank you for having me.


[02:08:49 - 02:08:51] Speaker: I really appreciate you taking the time.


[02:08:51 - 02:08:52] Speaker: Isn't it funny, though?


[02:08:52 - 02:08:55] Speaker: Like so we didn't find any points
of contention where we disagree.


[02:08:55 - 02:08:57] Speaker: But you assume that
because we're in two separate parties?


[02:08:57 - 02:09:00] Speaker: Well, I in my experience,
you have to preface it.


[02:09:00 - 02:09:03] Speaker: You have to start off the beginning
going like, I'm not going to


[02:09:03 - 02:09:04] Speaker: I'm not going to give you shit.


[02:09:04 - 02:09:07] Speaker: I just want to hear what it's
what you're trying to say,


[02:09:08 - 02:09:09] Speaker: and I'll push back on things.


[02:09:09 - 02:09:12] Speaker: I'll ask questions, but like this.


[02:09:12 - 02:09:13] Speaker: Isn't that like today was not about


[02:09:13 - 02:09:17] Speaker: like I did an episode of my buddy,
and I just kind of went hard at him


[02:09:17 - 02:09:20] Speaker: because he was breaking
my balls on social media for months,


[02:09:20 - 02:09:21] Speaker: and he's like, I should come on.


[02:09:21 - 02:09:23] Speaker: And like, I would add him hard.


[02:09:23 - 02:09:26] Speaker: And then when we're done, he's like, yo,
can we do this again?


[02:09:26 - 02:09:28] Speaker: And I'm like, are you kidding
me? Like, you want to do this again?


[02:09:28 - 02:09:30] Speaker: He's like, yes, as soon as I get back.


[02:09:30 - 02:09:32] Speaker: And I was like, all right, but


[02:09:32 - 02:09:36] Speaker: but I think, yeah, we forgot about like
how to have civil discourse.


[02:09:36 - 02:09:39] Speaker: We forgot about how to be able
to talk to each other


[02:09:39 - 02:09:42] Speaker: and not look at each other as like
the devil because of who you voted for.


[02:09:42 - 02:09:44] Speaker: And I think that that's just
I don't know how we got there.


[02:09:44 - 02:09:47] Speaker: It's the dumbest thing in the world,
especially when you look at


[02:09:48 - 02:09:51] Speaker: the efficacy of it, because there is none.


[02:09:51 - 02:09:53] Speaker: When everybody's not talking to each other


[02:09:53 - 02:09:57] Speaker: as you as you can see,
it seems like it's getting worse.


[02:09:57 - 02:10:00] Speaker: It does. But those are the loudest people.


[02:10:00 - 02:10:03] Speaker: Like what I find
when I'm having one on one conversations,


[02:10:04 - 02:10:08] Speaker: that that's really not the majority,
at least in my district.


[02:10:08 - 02:10:10] Speaker: I don't know if I want to be honest.


[02:10:10 - 02:10:12] Speaker: We have the Republicans reach out to us.


[02:10:12 - 02:10:15] Speaker: They were split last time we ran in 2024.


[02:10:15 - 02:10:18] Speaker: The Republicans reached out to us
and like like


[02:10:18 - 02:10:21] Speaker: I would say like 49% of them,
we're like all about voting.


[02:10:21 - 02:10:23] Speaker: We haven't had any issues like, at all.


[02:10:23 - 02:10:26] Speaker: We like when we say we're all inclusive,
like we want everyone's perspective.


[02:10:26 - 02:10:28] Speaker: I just think that that word every, it's
the moment everybody hears that word.


[02:10:28 - 02:10:30] Speaker: It's almost like, like,
what does that mean?


[02:10:30 - 02:10:31] Speaker: Like what is inclusive?


[02:10:31 - 02:10:34] Speaker: What is inclusive?
Like a seat at the table?


[02:10:34 - 02:10:35] Speaker: I agree with that.


[02:10:35 - 02:10:35] Speaker: Right.


[02:10:35 - 02:10:36] Speaker: Like, so like the


[02:10:36 - 02:10:40] Speaker: the Republicans felt like they were able
to come and talk to him and he did that.


[02:10:40 - 02:10:42] Speaker: We hosted meetings with them
when we stayed in communication with them


[02:10:43 - 02:10:45] Speaker: and they couldn't talk to their party.


[02:10:45 - 02:10:46] Speaker: It was weird, right?


[02:10:46 - 02:10:47] Speaker: And they had said that.


[02:10:47 - 02:10:50] Speaker: So yeah, we can't get that.
Like they were very upset.


[02:10:50 - 02:10:51] Speaker: They were very upset.


[02:10:51 - 02:10:54] Speaker: They couldn't get that to the table.


[02:10:54 - 02:10:56] Speaker: And I was like, put your constituents.


[02:10:56 - 02:10:57] Speaker: Isn't it
my job to hear what you have to say?


[02:10:57 - 02:10:59] Speaker: You live here. Yeah.


[02:10:59 - 02:11:00] Speaker: It should stay the victor.


[02:11:00 - 02:11:02] Speaker: The decisions that I make down
there would affect you.


[02:11:02 - 02:11:03] Speaker: And I want to know what.


[02:11:03 - 02:11:05] Speaker: And I got, like,
long term friendships out of that meeting.


[02:11:05 - 02:11:08] Speaker: Me, too. Yeah.


[02:11:08 - 02:11:11] Speaker: Let's hope that moving forward


[02:11:11 - 02:11:14] Speaker: that that hopefully this


[02:11:15 - 02:11:18] Speaker: is a good brain virus


[02:11:19 - 02:11:22] Speaker: that starts to infect
other people about just talking.


[02:11:22 - 02:11:27] Speaker: And I think, man, I was once
I heard it was all it was three women.


[02:11:27 - 02:11:28] Speaker: I was like, oh no, I'm in big trouble.


[02:11:28 - 02:11:30] Speaker: And I think I did all right.


[02:11:30 - 02:11:34] Speaker: And I'm I'm happy
you guys didn't really care about me.


[02:11:34 - 02:11:34] Speaker: You all


[02:11:36 - 02:11:37] Speaker: were here for discussion.


[02:11:37 - 02:11:40] Speaker: No, I'm just I'm just going back
to the way everything, everything used to


[02:11:40 - 02:11:43] Speaker: feel, and I and I and I this this stuff
like this should happen more and more


[02:11:44 - 02:11:46] Speaker: and more often.


[02:11:46 - 02:11:47] Speaker: Events and space. Okay.


[02:11:47 - 02:11:48] Speaker: You're welcome to talk to us whenever,
if you want.


[02:11:48 - 02:11:52] Speaker: Like us to come up and talk about, okay,
like, honestly, we're really accessible.


[02:11:52 - 02:11:54] Speaker: Hey. And I shoot video too. I'm
not asking you.


[02:11:54 - 02:11:56] Speaker: I'm not asking for anything.


[02:11:56 - 02:11:57] Speaker: I'm just saying, like,
every now and again,


[02:11:57 - 02:11:59] Speaker: I might be curious and be like,
what's going on down there?


[02:11:59 - 02:12:03] Speaker: Maybe I'll follow you around
for an afternoon and see what's going on.


[02:12:03 - 02:12:05] Speaker: I haven't had a stalker.


[02:12:05 - 02:12:07] Speaker: I might still just do that.


[02:12:07 - 02:12:10] Speaker: I'm too lazy to stalk anybody, trust me.


[02:12:11 - 02:12:11] Speaker: Fern.


[02:12:11 - 02:12:14] Speaker: Hannah. Shannon, thank you so much.
It was a great time.


[02:12:14 - 02:12:15] Speaker: I hope you had fun.


[02:12:15 - 02:12:15] Speaker: We did.


[02:12:15 - 02:12:18] Speaker: Thank you so much.
I really appreciate it.


[02:12:18 - 02:12:18] Speaker: Yay! We're done.