Episode 94: Alyssa Fusaro – Luzerne County Election Vulnerabilities: The Uninvestigated Report

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And you're nervous.

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Why? Just because I don't know, I.

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I feel like it's,

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I feel like I've kept all these secrets,

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like that and so on

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with this for so.

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Have people been giving, like, have people

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giving you shit
about over the last few years?

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Well, as you can tell by the on my report.

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Yeah.

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It it tells us
when the first six months is in my.

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And I've just been hammered

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by everybody, and I suppose the media,

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everything's all the nice,
but they say you're a lunatic.

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Yeah. Is that basically what it is? Yeah.

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They're like, we know better than her
and we don't know any.

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Do you want?

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Okay, so do you want to tell people
like who you are and what you did?

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So my name is Sarah, and,

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I, I saw all these issues.

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But you were on the run
the Luzerne County election.

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So say what it is. Say what it is.

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Say what the Luzerne County Board
of Elections and registration.

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And you were elected to that, right?

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You were appointed.

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Okay. Okay. Okay.

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So start your journey.

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So, like so let me let me ask you this.

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Number one, how did you get on there
and why would you ever want to do that.

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So I was the lead singer of a band,

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several bands throughout my life.

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But I, started going down to the.

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I actually went to school
for communications and broadcast media.

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I have a degree in broadcast
media, public relations.

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When I graduated from university

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and what I did was
I started going down to the Capitol

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during the during
the fall, Covid, the state Capitol.

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Okay. Covid thing.

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And we were invited is that we're calling
it now the Covid thing.

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You know, as some

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people call it, the pandemic or whatever.

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But, you know, I went down there
and we would play

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on the Capitol steps for all of these,
rallies that they were having.

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And a lot of times it was like people
like Doug Mastriano and.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And you know, that's how I really started
getting into

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politics was Doug Mastriano,
you weren't even interested before then?

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Not really.

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Yeah.

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Covid, Covid
opened everybody up to a lot of shit.

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Yeah, I, I at one point
I was a Democrat, so was I.

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Me too. Yeah.

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Not not practicing
like going out and like, activist.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I voted for Clinton,
I voted for Obama, I voted for Hillary.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The first I switched, was this guy.

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He was a really good friend of mine.

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And he came knocking on my door

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and he said,
and this was years and years ago, right?

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I'm running for council.

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There's any kind of council
and your your, you know,

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can you vote for me in the primaries?

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Can you send me?

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I said,
I can't find any position on the Democrat.

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And he is like, we'll split it.

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It was
it was just that. And he goes, yeah.

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And he goes, well,

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he goes, okay, let me go through the list.

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And he goes through this list, okay.

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And I'm like,

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okay.

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Like he was because he was like,
where do you stand on this?

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Where do you go through this list?

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And I'm like, oh my gosh,
I stand with you on all of these things.

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And and that was yeah.

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So I switched to Republican and then,
you know, Covid happened much later.

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Yeah.

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And I was actually careful
of going down to Harrisburg because I,

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I said to my boyfriend at the time

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who was the lead singer, we were
we were co-lead singers.

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And I said, I'm

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if we do this, we are labeling ourselves.

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We've never labeled themselves, you know?

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Right.

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Middle of the road.
We've never labels ourselves.

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We are always like, you know, apolitical
when it comes to the band.

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And he says, we're not working right now.

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I want
to have some fun and I want to do this.

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And these people stand for what
we stand for.

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We need to
we need to stand out and do this.

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Yeah. And sure enough, we did.

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Next thing you know, all the all the bars
or everything else.

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Oh, really? Oh, yeah.

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So it had a good it had a were working
when nobody else was working.

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Our band was working with everybody else.

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Was like afraid of their own shadow.

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Yeah.

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So I my hope my hope is, is that like,

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by this time
everyone realizes that what happened

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during that whole time was not
what they were making us

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believe it was, and the fear
that they were putting into us

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and and you know that.

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I hope so.

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I mean, like, I was I mean,
I mean, you know, that I was, I was,

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I was not treated well, not that I'm
a victim or anything, but like, I was like

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all I wanted to do
was make sure that people didn't get hurt.

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Yeah.

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And there are people that look
at my intention of not hurting people

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as not following the science or wanting
to kill grandmas or shit like that.

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Yeah.

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And that anybody that knows me,
I hope they know that I would never

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put people in harm's way.

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And I and the thing that, like, people
really need to understand is,

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like Robert Kennedy said this once
because it's

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because his father told him it
is that people in authority lie.

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And, you know, if if these institutions,
let's say, like, you know,

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the political parties, the, the federal,
local, state government, in the media,

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if they were our friends,

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I wouldn't be friends with them any more.

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For how long
and how many times they've lied to us.

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Exactly.

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You know, so like, you have to have like
a healthy dose of skepticism to,

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you know, be like,
oh, they're saying this.

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Well, they've lied to me in the past
quite a few times.

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Let's see if they're right,
because it's only up to us

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to figure out whether or not they're lying
or telling the truth.

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You know, so I, I,
I applaud you for going to do that.

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I was still a little bit afraid of

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being vocal about things at the beginning.

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But I'll tell you what, man, once
I once I went hard in the paint for it.

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Yeah.

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I mean, every day since I've been called
a Nazi, fascist, bigot,

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sexist, transphobic, Hitler
fucking shit like that,

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you know?

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Yeah, I think that's
I think that's because they're afraid

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I don't, I don't think it's, I like,
I think they're so afraid

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that, like, they're even afraid to like,
look to see if I'm right.

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And I don't I don't claim to be right.

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I'm like, I'm, you know,

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one of the first things I tell
people is like, don't believe me?

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But here's what I'm going to tell you.

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And you could look into it.

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And if and if I'm right, I'm right.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

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I'm not going to get a fucking cake
because I'm right.

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Like, there's no there's no high five.

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There's none of that.

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And none of us would choose to do this
because it seems terrible

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to like, be out there dreaming like,

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I just want you guys to not, like,
be afraid and don't harm yourselves.

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Happened?

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I was definitely afraid.

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Oh, for.

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Yeah, for the first,
like the two weeks to flatten the curve.

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Yeah, I was terrified.

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My, boyfriend at the time,
I said, don't you dare.

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I said, you have gloves in your car.

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Use that because you've worked for,

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a Burger King cheese.

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And I was like,
put your gloves on before you.

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Yeah. Touch the door.

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Yeah, well, they made it,

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you know, it's it's crazy how

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like, once everybody was once
they're like,

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look, you have to walk into the restaurant
with the mask.

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But when you sit down, Covid is not below
six feet, right?

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That should have been the moment.

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Everybody would have been like,
wait, what?

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Started not making sense.

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Yeah.

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What are we doing?

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Yeah. What is actually happening here.

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So and it was at it, it was at that time,
you know, it's good that it's good

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that we're starting this with the,

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with the hindsight
and the, the point of view of Covid.

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Because that's when I started to be
like what's up with the elections.

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Well and and

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before we get into that
I just want to say I think that

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and I tell all my friends that I think

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the polarization of the parties.

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Okay. Republican, Democrat. Sure.

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The polarization happened,
but we stopped talking.

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You're 100% right,

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as we used to go to the hair
salons, to the hair

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salons, to everywhere,
and we would talk to our friends.

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What do you think about this guy?

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What do you think about this.

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Think about this.
What's going on with this.

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And we used to have that dialog
when we stopped talking to one another,

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we became so polarized

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because we couldn't
see eye to eye on anything.

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Right.

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Had no conversation and it wasn't.

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And it wasn't eye to eye.

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It was always through
like somebody taking a shit

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and they're in there
and they're like, well,

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fuck you, Bob, for thinking that, like,
you want to kill my grandma.

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And it was never like,
if Bob and I were across from each other,

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hopefully we could have had some civil
discourse and been been respectful

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of each other's opinions.

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And like, that's the whole thing
about conversations.

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This is like

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you're supposed to hear other perspectives
and you're supposed to bring that in.

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Like most people have empathy.

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Most people go like, yeah, I didn't,
you know, I didn't look at it that way.

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And we weren't
allowing ourselves to do that.

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And I, you know,

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my whole my whole thing on it was

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that like, if the people in authority
know that that's happening.

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Yeah, they have a responsibility
to make sure that, like

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we're talking to each other, but they
I think they took advantage of it

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and they took advantage
of the loneliness, too.

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Terrible
people were shutting themselves in

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to their homes
and not very much conversations.

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And and they were lonely.

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Lonely literally.

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I think some people like literally.

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Yeah that, that was part of it.

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But they kept the beer distributors
and the, in the weed shops open.

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But you couldn't go to a bar, hair salon.

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But you can go to,
you can go to Walmart and go to target.

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You can go and,
and you have to be six feet apart.

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So you can't talk to anybody.

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You know, like I think I think

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I think the country
and everybody needs to really

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have a come to Jesus moment
about what went on there.

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And I don't think that, you know,
I'll always look, I'll always

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respect the, the person in authority,
like a politician or whatever,

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who gets it wrong and says,
hey, I'm sorry,

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but no one has apologized yet.

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And that's when I refer to good.

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I feel like, you know,
there were no words.

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Right? The end.

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It sucks about that.

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It says, you know,
there were no distractions.

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There were no issues.

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You found out I was know or you were,
you knew that

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these were all attacks, but you just
you just let them go.

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But before all of that 2020 happened,

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and when that election happened,

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I'm like, things do not make sense.

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This does not make sense.

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Like with the elections, nothing was like

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things were starting to not like add up.

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All these stories came through us
and I wasn't able

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to vote down in Luzerne County.

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So why is that?

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Why is that
how or why you got on the board?

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Okay, okay.

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Where I got in, you know, before that,

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I had helped run,
I recruited Doug Mastriano, his base team.

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So the grassroots base team
I recruited throughout the entire state.

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And then I went, and I started working
for, And I guess we'll be.

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Wait. Hold on.

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So before you move forward on that, what

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what motivated you to be the be the person
who's like, I feel compelled that

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I have to, like,
get a base team for Doug Mastriano.

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So he was an advocate for the,

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the things we were seeing in that, Covid,

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basically he was an advocate for the state
and federal Constitution.

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Yeah, I came out with this, this,

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no masks required for on Facebook.

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It was a group where you which hold on

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for those who don't know,
that has ended up being true.

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And Alyssa knew it
at the time that it was true.

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And you remember her medical degree
from where?

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No. Know.

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Oh, it's it's interesting
that the non doctor knew.

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Interesting. Okay. Keep going.

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Yeah yeah
I went into a supermarket one day

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and I had just come from home

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and I see you all space on the screen here
Wolf.

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Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

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And he says

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you don't have to wear masks anymore.

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And I'm thinking, this is wonderful.

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Awesome.

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I go shoot over to this store

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at like, a block away
and I'm not wearing my mask, and I fill

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my cart like had to have been over
$300 worth of groceries.

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So half a carton. Today's money.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So a full cart.

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I mean, I was excited and I was happy.

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And here comes this,

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little old lady
says, hey, where's your mask? I

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just was on the TV.

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You said we don't have to wear.

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And this guy comes barreling
angry down the aisle.

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Yep. How that our story really literally
kicks me out of the store.

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I was.

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Did he work there?

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Yeah, he was the manager.

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Holy shit.

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I was now

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I want to also say that this was at
Garrity's

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was also the store where that girl
went over and spit on everything.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So I, I do want to give him
a little bit of grace.

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Okay.

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Well there's also, there's also like
the anti-mask people who went real far

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there,
like I'm going to rub my private parts

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on everything because and you're like,
all right, well we don't need to do that.

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Yeah, but I got pre Covid.

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I don't want you sneezing on my shit
anyways.

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Yeah I sat in my car and just cried.

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Oh that's terrible.

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And I was like, you know what?

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I'm creating a group of all of the places
that I can go that

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I know I can go up and, and,
and that I don't need a mask.

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And so I created this group,
northeast PA, no masks required.

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Of course it did.

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There were no tests
required in every area.

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Harrisburg, out west, everywhere.

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Okay.

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It you opens the group

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and pins at the top of the group
were all the places you could.

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You didn't have to wear a mask to go. And

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everybody was like,
I mean, I was in Pittsburgh.

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I mean, like,
everybody had these lists of places

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where you didn't have
you could walk in good order a pizza,

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you could order
whatever you wanted afterward.

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Okay.

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And that was like the thing
everybody flocked to these pages.

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Right? And it was very, very popular.

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So Doug Mastriano, of course, saw that.

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You saw the popular how I love that group.

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I said, yeah, I'm the founder of it.

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He says, you've got into my campaign.

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I'm thinking of running for governor.

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And that's
how it's the whole thing started,

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right on the steps of capital.

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So we went from there and,

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I recruited a space
team, moved on from the side and,

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helped her in another campaign
and then went from there, Teddy Daniels,

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and then once he's not polarizing at all,

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did you ever see
do you ever see the debate I did

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between him and Chris Kelly?

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Oh, you never saw that

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in Payne's garage.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was crazy.

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But yeah, that was extremely
he was extremely polarizing.

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So, yeah, it was,
you know, he's not a bad guy.

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He's just.

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Yeah, he's
just totally rough around the edges.

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Yeah.

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Very extreme. Yeah.

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So I mean, and I went to his commercial,
his one commercial had him.

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The helicopter was at the helicopter one.
Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You know I'm like oh my god.

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Yeah. It's like it's like Ted
that works in Alabama.

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Not much up here is like yeah.

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Thank you.

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Like okay,
how do I fix as, like as I watch,

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I get, you know, because from a PR,
you can't you really can't.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You gotta, you gotta lean into it.

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Yeah. So it was,

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leaned in, leaned in, but,

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yeah, going from that and then I,

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I, I, I just decided,

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and actually,

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I got on to the board and, and I,

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you know,
basically filled out my paperwork

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and that in itself was a challenge
getting on the board.

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The election board.

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Election board,
because I filled out the paperwork and,

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when I did, it was a

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it was a push pull because,

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there was somebody else
that wanted it, and,

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this guy on

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council had said, well, here's the thing.

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They haven't made anybody yet.

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CBS sports talk with you.

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And I'm like, oh, really?

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So I go, this is their story.

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I go to an attorney friend
and I said, hey,

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pick up the papers for this shirt,
thousand dollars.

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And I'm like,

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okay,

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the $32,000.

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And somebody else says, don't worry.

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I thought it was great.

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Okay, okay. So.

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I don't know who that is.

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But she's an attorney, so,

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for her,
her father's the one with the big truck.

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Bob. Yeah.

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Okay. Okay.

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So so that's that's okay.

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Don't worry about it.
I'll do it for free for you.

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So she does the paperwork.

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But in the meantime,
the guy that I first approached

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went and filed the paperwork

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for his best friend,

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who happened to be applying to the board
as well.

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How interesting.

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Yeah, okay, I found out that
they actually, I googled both their names

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together, but not they went to college
together at Wilkes University.

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So I was like, ooh, dirty, dirty.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Obviously he he basically wanted
to charge me $1,000 just so he could go.

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Told his buddy who, you know, is a fly.

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Right? It's quite an interesting, thing.

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And he filed his paperwork first
because I was trying to get it right.

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I had a little bit of, you know.

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So, And it was like a day before

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I filed my paperwork,
so he broke the barrier.

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But I don't care. It's okay.

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I still got it right. Like,

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And the basic reason I got on

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is because the Republicans on council
were very upset that he had.

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Which was one of the votes
to approve the Dropboxes.

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So they were the guy who was trying
to get appointed on

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there were Republican
who was trying to get in on their.

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So so your intention
of getting on there was,

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I'm assuming to number one,
see if there is any

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misbehavior.

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And if there is,
how do you expose and correct it.

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And I is that safe?

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Yeah.

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And my like, what did you think was like,

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look, I always I always tell people like,
especially people who criticize

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like politicians, I'm like,
there's a big difference

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between sitting in the stands
and being on the court.

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You know, like the world changes
once you get in the game, right?

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So what did you like?

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What were your expectations going into it?

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I changed a lot.

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I was initially very angry.

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I was a very angry person.

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And I when I first got, like angry
in general or angry about the elections.

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About the election. Yeah.

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But the, the angry person, because I,

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I went in there like gangbusters,
like I'm going to change everything.

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Yeah.

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I'm flipping tables.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it was Jesus in the church.

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Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean?

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I was like, I was like,
I'm, I'm handling all this. And,

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I got in and realized that it was a lot

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different than I imagined.

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It was,

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very, very crowded.

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The board half the time
doesn't even know what the bureau's doing.

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There's a, major separation there.

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So. So the board oversees the bureau?

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Yes. Kind of.

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They're supposed to. Okay.

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It doesn't know

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what the bureau is doing.

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Half the.

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So, for example, in
how many page report did you write?

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So I only wrote an 11 page report,

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but there's so many documents in here
to support that.

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It is a 57 page report.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Not not not just a little bit.

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It is a big report, but there is the lies
in here and I'm trying to find it.

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It's title 25 sections.

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But it lays out
the duties of the election board.

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Okay.

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In every county.

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The problem is

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that Luzerne
County has a board of elections.

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That is

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separate from the council. So.

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Okay, when it was first written,

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it was written for three Commissioner
for the government.

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Okay.

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So it was written for a regular form of
government with three commissioners that,

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and all of these other people
at the below,

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the commissioners
make the rules for the county.

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And that's kind of the way it is.

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Well, with Home Rule, when Home Rule

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came on the same title, 25 never changed.

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So when title 25 came into play

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with all these other home rule counties,
the home rule didn't affect it.

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It didn't actually reflect
what was in title 25.

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So then people started making
their own rules administrative code,

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county charter, all these other things.

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And this has been happening over time.

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This wasn't yeah,
this wasn't just like a thing that like in

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2020, everyone's
like, oh, we're going to do it this way.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And it kind of supersedes the,
the government

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or the state government
or so they feel okay.

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They feel like they're on up.

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And so if I remember at one point the,

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the Office of Law told me that

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I was

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they, they said basically
every time it says board

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in the

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in, in title 25,
it actually means you're okay.

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I was like, okay.

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Yeah, words are important.
Why are we why are we.

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Yeah, exactly.

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It was it was it was just trying
to scare me off of, the beaten path.

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Yeah. Okay.

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But, and try to put me up, but.

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Which they do a lot
because they like to firmly believe

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that you and, you know, make you

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question or doubt or.

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Yeah. What you.

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Because before I got on the board,
I took it so seriously.

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I literally, took title 25,
printed out an unabridged version of it.

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I, I mean, I, when I, I studied,
yeah, I did,

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I wanted to know
what my responsibilities are and that's

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one of the things I haven't here

[00:25:45 - 00:25:48] Speaker: Unknown
is all the duties and responsibilities
of the Board of Elections.

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I get in there and they said,
oh no, no, no, no, no

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no no no, you don't
you don't have those duties.

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Who's who says that, the Office of Law,

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the county, administration,
whoever you wanted to back.

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Yeah.

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Well, yeah, but how do they how do they.

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Who's right? I'm right.

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But why do they?

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This is this is this is why.

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But this.

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Okay, so explain that to me.

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So, for example,

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I, I, I really should get this.

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Can I speak
first real quick and find this?

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Yeah.

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We'll just cut to commercial.

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I just get to things.

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Got money here.

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There are all kinds of duties

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and responsibilities that the

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that it lays out. One

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while you're doing that.

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So like, you go in there and you look at,
you look at the duties

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and responsibilities and you go, okay,

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it's pretty clear to me
what I'm responsible for,

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where I can be effective,
where I can be effective.

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And then and then you get in there.

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And so the county councils,

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legal people tell you that you're wrong,
right?

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The county, the the solicitors.

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Yeah. Oh.

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We just talked about solicitors

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with Jamie on,
Jamie Walsh on the last on everything.

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Well, you know what it is.

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And this is, this is my this is my theory
on what you're looking for.

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That is that, you know, elected officials
don't know what they don't know,

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and they get into positions like that.

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And a lot of times, you know, if you it
the world doesn't exist in cities.

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And states.

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There's municipalities, boroughs,

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villages, townships
that have all of these elected officials.

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Some of them make no money

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for their elected position,
and some of them make like 100 bucks

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a month for their elected position.

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And the risk isn't there.

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Like they don't want to take the risk

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of doing the wrong thing.

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So they rely a lot on the solicitor.

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And it's and you know what it is.

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It's an easy it's an easy,

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reallocation of responsibility.

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Well, the solicitor told me that.

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So there's nothing my hands are tied
and I don't think that that's true. No.

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I, I think

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especially in the case of Jamie,
I think that,

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these township supervisors,

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these types of people,
they really need to do their homework.

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Okay.

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And, and I'm going to do a wide
screen here.

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For example, the case,

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Joanna Smith, County Council,

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who is trying to bring in all of these,

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I don't know who this is different.

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Luzerne County.

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Okay.

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And she brought in, like,
this election protection

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ordinance and also added ordinance.

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Okay.

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Diversity, equity and inclusion,
which is not diverse,

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which is not equitable,
which is not inclusive.

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It gets it gets bad with.

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Yeah.

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Like basically and they made their
their it if they pass it,

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they make their own judging
their own commission to judge the people.

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And then $500 each time they do.

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What is this, what is this?

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So is this in the county?

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They're doing this right?

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Yeah. So you gotta look it up.

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Jesus Christ is what she's betting on now.

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She's an attorney herself.

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Which begs the question
where did did you go to school.

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Right.

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Probably
some sort of indoctrination school.

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Yeah. Problem is

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she's betting that
all the new county council

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members
are not going to do their homework.

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And understand
that there are already laws in place

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in order to make sure that this doesn't.

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You know what I mean?

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She's betting on the fact
that these people will do the research.

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Okay.

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And because they're brand new on council,
that's what she's betting on.

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And the problem is like,
for this election protection thing,

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what they're planning on doing
is if we're like, if you harass

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an election worker, you get voting, fine.

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You get it.

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You know who defines harassment, though?

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That's part of the problem.

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So sometimes it's like, hey,
I don't like what you're doing.

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And some people can say that
that's harassment, right?

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Exactly.

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And that's part of the problem
is it actually is extremely vague.

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And it doesn't say what the actual

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what it doesn't agreement is.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But the problem is entitled
25 election law.

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It outlines all of the challenges.

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It outlines all of the harassment things.

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If you impede the fun of a,

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a polling place
or you do this or you do that,

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or you harass an election worker, it's

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very specific offense,

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punishable up to $15,000 in fines

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and five, 5 to 7 years in prison.

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Holy shit.

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You're you're already.

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The laws are already there.

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The laws are already in place.

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The problem is that
they are looking at at a county level.

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How are you gonna enforce it?

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If you do a county ordinance
with a county fine and a prop of like,

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you actually go and find someone
or you call the police?

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Do you know the police can't?

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Do you know?

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No, I didn't know any of this.

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Oh, the polling place.

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There's a reason there's a steep obstacle
in the polling place

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because regular local police
aren't allowed in the polling place.

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I didn't know that.

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Yes, and that's part of the problem.

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You are not doing these county.
There's no.

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There's no jurisdiction.

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There is no jurisdiction.

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You cannot make laws.

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It it's like messing with the state
penal code.

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Yeah. Okay.

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Oh well I'm going to impose my own fines.

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We can't do that.

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And then this other DEA thing
you've got going on, it's it's hardcore.

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Like if I.

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And I'm not even.

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And this is solicitor for the new council.

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So if I decide to be a six foot

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tall black man,
you cannot say anything to me.

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So it says you can identify
as any race, race, anything.

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Wait there. DEA, wait.

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Hold on, hold on, hold on.

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You can identify
as whatever race you want.

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Okay? Hey.

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But see what?

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See what? Like you say. See?

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Like we say something like this, and
there's people that think that like us.

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Just saying that. That's insane.

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They'll view it as like
we're being racist.

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Do you see what I'm saying?

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Right opposite.

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Because when I look at a black person

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or a Hispanic person, or when I'm

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discussing anything with them,

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I am celebrating their difference, right?

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Yeah. Okay.

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If I sit and I

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say I identify

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as a six foot tall black man,
what that does is that diminishes

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their race 100%, diminishes who they are,

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who they are.

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And that's not fair.

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It's just doing it.

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Sure. How or how flawed.

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And and and long we fought to get our own
restrooms back in the 1800s.

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The reason we needed it is because
women were being raped in us,

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beat people.

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They couldn't go to the bathroom
and have someone,

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you know, this was a major problem.

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Women were getting raped
all over the place.

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Well, I think I think that that's
a cultural thing at the time.

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You know what I mean?

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Not like cultural,
but like you accept what you allow.

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And I think that like
when people are like,

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oh, we need to protect women,
which is like a no brainer

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that what happens
is, is like a good intended thing

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ends up getting corrupted for other means.

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Like they take, they take this one thing
and then they turn it into like,

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you know, I mean, look,

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I think anyone that, like, rapes
a woman, like,

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there should be
some sort of public flaying or caning.

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But, you know, now we're it's crazy
how we've gone from, like,

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we need to protect women in restrooms
to being 20, 25

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going,
we need to protect women in restrooms.

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Which sounds insane
that we've gone so far around

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that we're back to where we started
and and now and and the people

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and the people who who want to protect
women are now viewed as

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transphobes, which is incredible,
which is insane.

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I will tell you this. I hate that truth.

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You know why I'm not crazy?

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Oh, yeah.

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That's a that's like that's
that's what that's that's what they use.

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What words they use.

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They, they give us they they
they make these words.

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Yeah.

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I'm not afraid of anybody like that.

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I, I, I have no problem with them.

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I don't care who you are.

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Don't hurt kids.

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And, and, if as long as you're an adult,
you want to do what you want to do,

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like, that's fine.

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But within reason,
like I bring up this example and,

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you know, if I walked into

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a surgeon
and said that I don't like my arm

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from the fingers to the shoulder,
will you please remove it?

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They would look at me as insane.

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So I look at it that way too.

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And the and most of the time, like

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all the studies are out
now, nobody wants to talk about it.

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Nobody wants to like,
bring light to the fact that like,

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oh, for the last like ten, 15 years,
like we made an oh

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with how we treated people
with like, body dysmorphia

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or going through puberty and,
and and now we've allowed like

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a lot of the

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times, people who, you know, especially
kids like, let them get through puberty

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before you start giving them
Lupron or, or,

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you know, surgeries to on their sex.

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Yeah.

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And this whole thing, it's like like it's
such a crazy thing to be like,

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what is a woman?
How is that a controversial question?

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Like, my mom taught health
and in in middle school for 20 years.

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And all those kids that left her know
knew what one was.

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So like, I think we're like as people

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were just being constantly bombarded
by these fucking crazy ideas

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that you know, make everything worse
for everybody.

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And the crazy thing about, like.

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What's going on now

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in the pursuit of inclusiveness,
we've become exclusionary.

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We're excluding
people. You know, it's like

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like like I'm like, I'll remember.

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Who was it?

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Larry Elder ran
for governor of California.

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He's black in the
in the in the front page.

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I think it was the like the
LA times was like the

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the the black face of white supremacy.

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And I'm like, we've lost the plot.

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We're so focused on our differences

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and we like

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I always look at like
like like the world as, like a Venn

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diagram between like Democrat
Republican men, women

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and, you know, everybody's somewhere

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in the middle of it to certain degrees.

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But you can't force people
to think a certain way,

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because I think that's oppression, right?

[00:38:04 - 00:38:07] Speaker: Unknown
Like compelled speech is oppression.

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I do agree with that.

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I think it's I think people
should have the right to speak.

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And I think but I, I also think
we need to celebrate our differences.

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That's what I grew up thinking.

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It was like it was like
like the same time, come together as well.

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It's like, no,
it's like like I have friends from like

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Ghana and Congo and,

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and all these other like,
crazy countries were like,

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they really did live under oppressive

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monarchs and warlords and stuff like that.

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And I'm like, but they agree with a lot
of the things that like, I agree with,

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like freedom of speech, life, liberty,
pursuit of happiness, all that stuff.

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And they have no desire to to instill
what they believe on us as a people.

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I mean, if they did,
I wouldn't be friends with them.

[00:38:52 - 00:38:55] Speaker: Unknown
We're living in Bizarro world.

[00:38:55 - 00:38:56] Speaker: Unknown
I you know what it like.

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It really is.

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So does I mean that like, people question
like going back to the elections

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thing,
like people questioned it before Trump.

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Yeah.

[00:39:04 - 00:39:07] Speaker: Unknown
But the moment Trump or anybody who voted

[00:39:07 - 00:39:10] Speaker: Unknown
for Trump is like, it's
not even like the like no one.

[00:39:10 - 00:39:12] Speaker: Unknown
I've never seen anybody like

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I mean, I have seen people
who have emphatically said that,

[00:39:14 - 00:39:17] Speaker: Unknown
you know, the elections are a fraud.

[00:39:17 - 00:39:20] Speaker: Unknown
And a lot of
them with incredibly compelling evidence.

[00:39:20 - 00:39:23] Speaker: Unknown
But that was all said before Trump.

[00:39:23 - 00:39:26] Speaker: Unknown
And it's like once, once like Trump
said, it it be

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it became like once
you can't question a thing.

[00:39:30 - 00:39:33] Speaker: Unknown
It's a religion, it's a doctrine.

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And if you and if you go against that,
then they destroy you for it.

[00:39:37 - 00:39:42] Speaker: Unknown
Like I grew up, I, we watched
JFK was like one of the number one movies

[00:39:42 - 00:39:43] Speaker: Unknown
when I was growing up.

[00:39:43 - 00:39:44] Speaker: Unknown
And that's about the, the,

[00:39:44 - 00:39:48] Speaker: Unknown
the conspiracy to assassinate
the president of the United States.

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And it was nominated
for a Best Picture Oscar.

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And you can't make that movie today.

[00:39:55 - 00:39:59] Speaker: Unknown
You know, like, the thing about America
is like, yeah, it's it's tough.

[00:39:59 - 00:40:02] Speaker: Unknown
We have tough conversations, like,
just as much as everyone has a right to,

[00:40:02 - 00:40:06] Speaker: Unknown
you know, all the things
that the constitutions help us for.

[00:40:06 - 00:40:08] Speaker: Unknown
You also have a right to be an asshole.

[00:40:08 - 00:40:11] Speaker: Unknown
You know, there's a lot of people
who really take advantage of the fact

[00:40:11 - 00:40:15] Speaker: Unknown
that, like I can say
and specifically say whatever I want

[00:40:15 - 00:40:19] Speaker: Unknown
and we
shouldn't like, people think I'm nuts.

[00:40:19 - 00:40:21] Speaker: Unknown
And it's not because I'm nuts
is because every time people

[00:40:21 - 00:40:24] Speaker: Unknown
somebody tells me that person's crazy,
don't listen to that person.

[00:40:25 - 00:40:28] Speaker: Unknown
In my experience, that's the person
you should go have a conversation

[00:40:28 - 00:40:30] Speaker: Unknown
with, right.

[00:40:30 - 00:40:32] Speaker: Unknown
And you need to get a perspective on that.

[00:40:32 - 00:40:34] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah, yeah.

[00:40:34 - 00:40:37] Speaker: Unknown
And it's not like there's
this in the right does it to

[00:40:38 - 00:40:39] Speaker: Unknown
I don't like
I don't like what the right does.

[00:40:39 - 00:40:43] Speaker: Unknown
The right has this purity test where it's
like like Bresnahan for instance.

[00:40:43 - 00:40:46] Speaker: Unknown
Right. Let's just use him as an example.

[00:40:46 - 00:40:49] Speaker: Unknown
Just because he just
because he recently voted for a thing

[00:40:49 - 00:40:52] Speaker: Unknown
and people are calling him a rhino.

[00:40:52 - 00:40:53] Speaker: Unknown
You know,

[00:40:53 - 00:40:55] Speaker: Unknown
there's a there's a lot of like America

[00:40:55 - 00:40:58] Speaker: Unknown
first people and like the America
first thing is such a pejorative.

[00:40:58 - 00:41:00] Speaker: Unknown
It's like calling somebody a racist.

[00:41:00 - 00:41:04] Speaker: Unknown
The America first thing is like,
maybe we should take care of our house

[00:41:05 - 00:41:06] Speaker: Unknown
before we start

[00:41:06 - 00:41:11] Speaker: Unknown
telling other people and giving the money
to fix our house to other houses.

[00:41:11 - 00:41:12] Speaker: Unknown
That's all that means.

[00:41:12 - 00:41:16] Speaker: Unknown
It doesn't mean, like you're a xenophobe
or any of that shit.

[00:41:16 - 00:41:18] Speaker: Unknown
It doesn't
mean you're against immigration.

[00:41:18 - 00:41:22] Speaker: Unknown
It just means that, like, maybe
the focus should be here domestically

[00:41:22 - 00:41:25] Speaker: Unknown
because we have people
living in the streets and shooting up

[00:41:25 - 00:41:30] Speaker: Unknown
fucking drugs and committing
suicide and incredible rate.

[00:41:30 - 00:41:32] Speaker: Unknown
But like,

[00:41:32 - 00:41:35] Speaker: Unknown
sometimes you have to vote

[00:41:35 - 00:41:38] Speaker: Unknown
with the people that you represent,
regardless of Democrat or Republican.

[00:41:38 - 00:41:41] Speaker: Unknown
You know, some Republicans are like unions
suck.

[00:41:41 - 00:41:44] Speaker: Unknown
Well, sometimes a Republican
has to vote a pro-union bill

[00:41:45 - 00:41:48] Speaker: Unknown
because that's what the people in his
in their district needs.

[00:41:48 - 00:41:54] Speaker: Unknown
And you can't like you
can't demonize the person for doing that.

[00:41:54 - 00:41:57] Speaker: Unknown
Like.

[00:41:57 - 00:41:59] Speaker: Unknown
The joke is, is that,

[00:41:59 - 00:42:02] Speaker: Unknown
I mean, we all know the joke he had has,

[00:42:02 - 00:42:05] Speaker: Unknown
I think I think he's a
I think he's a 90s Democrat.

[00:42:05 - 00:42:06] Speaker: Unknown
I think he cute.

[00:42:06 - 00:42:10] Speaker: Unknown
I honestly,
I think he added something to this movie.

[00:42:10 - 00:42:16] Speaker: Unknown
I mean maybe what he and his jokes,
I really feel like he had

[00:42:16 - 00:42:18] Speaker: Unknown
he had an encounter with God.

[00:42:18 - 00:42:21] Speaker: Unknown
Maybe I think that I mean,
if you really don't,

[00:42:21 - 00:42:23] Speaker: Unknown
if you really don't take a
if you really don't take a hard

[00:42:23 - 00:42:27] Speaker: Unknown
look at your life when something like
that happens because, like,

[00:42:27 - 00:42:29] Speaker: Unknown
holy shit, I almost just died. Yeah.

[00:42:29 - 00:42:34] Speaker: Unknown
Like, take some stock in that, reflect
on that, meditate on that for a moment.

[00:42:34 - 00:42:35] Speaker: Unknown
You know, that's the thing that I like.

[00:42:35 - 00:42:37] Speaker: Unknown
I realized, you know,
I didn't have a stroke or anything yet.

[00:42:37 - 00:42:40] Speaker: Unknown
Knock on wood. Hope it never happens. Hope
it never happens to anybody.

[00:42:40 - 00:42:43] Speaker: Unknown
But like there are moments in your life

[00:42:43 - 00:42:44] Speaker: Unknown
I don't want to

[00:42:44 - 00:42:47] Speaker: Unknown
wait for the thing
that puts me on the brink of death.

[00:42:47 - 00:42:49] Speaker: Unknown
To be grateful.

[00:42:49 - 00:42:51] Speaker: Unknown
I'd rather just be grateful.

[00:42:51 - 00:42:52] Speaker: Unknown
And I'd rather just think like somebody

[00:42:52 - 00:42:56] Speaker: Unknown
like John Fetterman and listen to, like,
what other people's opinions are like.

[00:42:56 - 00:42:59] Speaker: Unknown
Look, there's a lot of Republicans
I don't agree with.

[00:42:59 - 00:43:02] Speaker: Unknown
There's a lot of Democrats
I don't agree with.

[00:43:02 - 00:43:04] Speaker: Unknown
And the crazy thing is, is that, like,
speaking of elections,

[00:43:04 - 00:43:06] Speaker: Unknown
the largest political party
in the United States

[00:43:06 - 00:43:09] Speaker: Unknown
is independent,
and we never talk about it. Right.

[00:43:09 - 00:43:11] Speaker: Unknown
So the majority of the

[00:43:11 - 00:43:15] Speaker: Unknown
it's almost two times larger
than the Democrats or the Republicans,

[00:43:15 - 00:43:17] Speaker: Unknown
and we don't talk about it
and we don't give them a voice.

[00:43:17 - 00:43:20] Speaker: Unknown
We don't allow them
to participate in primaries.

[00:43:20 - 00:43:21] Speaker: Unknown
We don't allow them to run candidates.

[00:43:21 - 00:43:22] Speaker: Unknown
We don't support them.

[00:43:22 - 00:43:24] Speaker: Unknown
You know, like, like

[00:43:24 - 00:43:28] Speaker: Unknown
you should have as much of an opportunity
to run for an office as anybody.

[00:43:28 - 00:43:30] Speaker: Unknown
As Dave McCormick, I agree.

[00:43:30 - 00:43:33] Speaker: Unknown
I do agree with that.
And the one thing that, like

[00:43:33 - 00:43:35] Speaker: Unknown
they both parties seem to agree on

[00:43:35 - 00:43:38] Speaker: Unknown
is that they don't want anybody else
interfering with the shell game.

[00:43:38 - 00:43:39] Speaker: Unknown
Right. Exactly.

[00:43:39 - 00:43:43] Speaker: Unknown
Because it'll pull votes away
from those there

[00:43:43 - 00:43:46] Speaker: Unknown
or influence or power or manipulation.

[00:43:46 - 00:43:47] Speaker: Unknown
You know, it's

[00:43:47 - 00:43:51] Speaker: Unknown
like the only news that we can list,
like the news we can listen to is Fox News

[00:43:51 - 00:43:55] Speaker: Unknown
or CNN, and everybody else is a conspiracy
theorist, right?

[00:43:55 - 00:43:57] Speaker: Unknown
Isn't that weird?

[00:43:57 - 00:43:58] Speaker: Unknown
And then read.

[00:43:58 - 00:43:59] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah.

[00:43:59 - 00:44:00] Speaker: Unknown
Polarized.

[00:44:00 - 00:44:03] Speaker: Unknown
It's it's I think it's purposeful.

[00:44:03 - 00:44:04] Speaker: Unknown
Oh yeah. Nope.

[00:44:04 - 00:44:06] Speaker: Unknown
No doubt I have.

[00:44:06 - 00:44:09] Speaker: Unknown
Sorry for ranting on that.
It just pisses me off.

[00:44:09 - 00:44:10] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah on that too.

[00:44:10 - 00:44:14] Speaker: Unknown
And I,
I wouldn't want to get on some voice.

[00:44:14 - 00:44:20] Speaker: Unknown
Well, well,
another day when you're feeling braver.

[00:44:20 - 00:44:23] Speaker: Unknown
All right, so let's let's get let's get

[00:44:23 - 00:44:26] Speaker: Unknown
I think I think it's the default position
of every American

[00:44:26 - 00:44:30] Speaker: Unknown
should be skeptical I agree, you know,
because if you don't question,

[00:44:30 - 00:44:33] Speaker: Unknown
you know, if you don't question things,
they might be right.

[00:44:34 - 00:44:34] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah.

[00:44:34 - 00:44:36] Speaker: Unknown
But for you to go
like you sure about that?

[00:44:36 - 00:44:38] Speaker: Unknown
It's that it's that meme.
Do you ever see the guy?

[00:44:38 - 00:44:40] Speaker: Unknown
You sure about that? Yeah.

[00:44:40 - 00:44:42] Speaker: Unknown
I think we should do that more often.

[00:44:42 - 00:44:43] Speaker: Unknown
You know, like data centers are bad.

[00:44:43 - 00:44:45] Speaker: Unknown
You sure about that? Data
centers are good.

[00:44:45 - 00:44:47] Speaker: Unknown
You sure about that? Like,
let's just look into it.

[00:44:47 - 00:44:49] Speaker: Unknown
Let's just make sure we know.

[00:44:49 - 00:44:50] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah. Okay.

[00:44:50 - 00:44:54] Speaker: Unknown
Back to your back
to your congressional document.

[00:44:54 - 00:44:57] Speaker: Unknown
Did you
find what's the what's the code now?

[00:44:58 - 00:45:01] Speaker: Unknown
So it is,

[00:45:01 - 00:45:05] Speaker: Unknown
title 25 election law.

[00:45:05 - 00:45:08] Speaker: Unknown
Title 25, 26

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2642.

[00:45:10 - 00:45:11] Speaker: Unknown
Okay, okay.

[00:45:11 - 00:45:14] Speaker: Unknown
And basically,

[00:45:14 - 00:45:19] Speaker: Unknown
it gives us, powers
and duties of county boards.

[00:45:19 - 00:45:21] Speaker: Unknown
That's the title of it.

[00:45:21 - 00:45:23] Speaker: Unknown
Okay? It's the Board of Elections.

[00:45:23 - 00:45:29] Speaker: Unknown
But if you get in here,
let's just take this one right here

[00:45:29 - 00:45:34] Speaker: Unknown
to purchase,
preserve, store and maintain primary,

[00:45:35 - 00:45:40] Speaker: Unknown
and election equipment of all kinds,
including voting booths,

[00:45:40 - 00:45:44] Speaker: Unknown
ballot boxes and voting machines

[00:45:44 - 00:45:50] Speaker: Unknown
and to decide on resources,

[00:45:50 - 00:45:52] Speaker: Unknown
to, to point out,

[00:45:52 - 00:45:53] Speaker: Unknown
where are we at?

[00:45:53 - 00:45:56] Speaker: Unknown
It's letter C.

[00:45:56 - 00:45:58] Speaker: Unknown
Letter C? Yeah.

[00:45:58 - 00:46:00] Speaker: Unknown
To purchase, preserve, store and maintain

[00:46:00 - 00:46:03] Speaker: Unknown
primary
and election equipment of all kinds,

[00:46:03 - 00:46:06] Speaker: Unknown
including voting booths, ballot boxes
and voting machines,

[00:46:06 - 00:46:10] Speaker: Unknown
and to procure ballots
and all other supplies for elections.

[00:46:10 - 00:46:11] Speaker: Unknown
Okay. Yeah.

[00:46:11 - 00:46:17] Speaker: Unknown
So we don't we're not allowed
to approve the budget.

[00:46:17 - 00:46:20] Speaker: Unknown
Who is the election board?

[00:46:20 - 00:46:22] Speaker: Unknown
It has to for county.

[00:46:22 - 00:46:26] Speaker: Unknown
So how are we supposed to purchase things
that we

[00:46:26 - 00:46:27] Speaker: Unknown
really.

[00:46:27 - 00:46:29] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah.

[00:46:29 - 00:46:31] Speaker: Unknown
Now, I know it's the authority.

[00:46:31 - 00:46:32] Speaker: Unknown
We don't even have a budget.

[00:46:32 - 00:46:36] Speaker: Unknown
We can't even disagree with the county
because we don't have

[00:46:36 - 00:46:39] Speaker: Unknown
a budget for, for our own attorney.

[00:46:39 - 00:46:41] Speaker: Unknown
So what's the point of it?

[00:46:41 - 00:46:42] Speaker: Unknown
That's what I said.

[00:46:42 - 00:46:46] Speaker: Unknown
That's part of my,
that's that's in my in my report.

[00:46:46 - 00:46:47] Speaker: Unknown
I said,
I don't even know what this board is.

[00:46:47 - 00:46:50] Speaker: Unknown
Work is like. You can't.

[00:46:50 - 00:46:53] Speaker: Unknown
It also says to hire all of the,

[00:46:53 - 00:46:57] Speaker: Unknown
electors or to appoint their own

[00:46:57 - 00:47:01] Speaker: Unknown
employees, voting machine candidates

[00:47:01 - 00:47:04] Speaker: Unknown
and machine inspectors.

[00:47:04 - 00:47:08] Speaker: Unknown
We don't even approve the list of people,
poll workers.

[00:47:08 - 00:47:10] Speaker: Unknown
We don't talk.

[00:47:10 - 00:47:13] Speaker: Unknown
How many people are on this with you?

[00:47:13 - 00:47:16] Speaker: Unknown
Both parties of five.

[00:47:16 - 00:47:22] Speaker: Unknown
There's the chair, and then there's
two Republicans and the Democrats.

[00:47:22 - 00:47:24] Speaker: Unknown
And the chair can be any party.

[00:47:24 - 00:47:28] Speaker: Unknown
Right now
it's three Democrats to Republicans,

[00:47:28 - 00:47:31] Speaker: Unknown
and they start to instill the desires

[00:47:31 - 00:47:36] Speaker: Unknown
of their party,
regardless of Republican or Democrat.

[00:47:36 - 00:47:38] Speaker: Unknown
To say, though, honestly,

[00:47:38 - 00:47:42] Speaker: Unknown
I was on the board with Danny Schram,

[00:47:42 - 00:47:45] Speaker: Unknown
I think to get mad at you for doing this,
I don't care.

[00:47:45 - 00:47:47] Speaker: Unknown
Fair enough, fair enough.

[00:47:47 - 00:47:53] Speaker: Unknown
I was on the
I was on the report with Danny Schram.

[00:47:53 - 00:47:54] Speaker: Unknown
Initially it was Audrey.

[00:47:54 - 00:47:57] Speaker: Unknown
Shirley is,

[00:47:58 - 00:48:00] Speaker: Unknown
Denise Williams.

[00:48:00 - 00:48:05] Speaker: Unknown
Audrey and Danny
were the most levelheaded Democrats

[00:48:05 - 00:48:10] Speaker: Unknown
that I had the pleasure of working with
until I came to our new chair, and I.

[00:48:10 - 00:48:13] Speaker: Unknown
I do like Christine Boyle.

[00:48:13 - 00:48:16] Speaker: Unknown
She's a levelheaded,

[00:48:16 - 00:48:17] Speaker: Unknown
But then you had others.

[00:48:17 - 00:48:21] Speaker: Unknown
Denise Williams, who's total party girl.

[00:48:21 - 00:48:24] Speaker: Unknown
And then you had, like,
she's not a like when you say party,

[00:48:24 - 00:48:27] Speaker: Unknown
like when I hear somebody say party, say.

[00:48:27 - 00:48:31] Speaker: Unknown
But when I hear somebody say party person,
it means that they don't have

[00:48:31 - 00:48:33] Speaker: Unknown
free thought or critical thinking.

[00:48:33 - 00:48:35] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah. No critical thinking.

[00:48:35 - 00:48:37] Speaker: Unknown
She she.

[00:48:37 - 00:48:40] Speaker: Unknown
Well, I'm not no critical thinking.

[00:48:40 - 00:48:43] Speaker: Unknown
I'm not saying that this is her,
but like, when I hear somebody say that,

[00:48:43 - 00:48:48] Speaker: Unknown
like a party person, that means that they
they whatever someone else, like,

[00:48:48 - 00:48:52] Speaker: Unknown
you're like, you're appointed or elected
because of who you are, right?

[00:48:52 - 00:48:56] Speaker: Unknown
As a human, as an individual human right.

[00:48:56 - 00:49:00] Speaker: Unknown
And once somebody else has infiltrated
or manipulated

[00:49:00 - 00:49:04] Speaker: Unknown
or coerced or persuaded
somebody in a direction that that person

[00:49:04 - 00:49:08] Speaker: Unknown
is no longer thinking for themselves,
she does anything for herself.

[00:49:08 - 00:49:09] Speaker: Unknown
Okay.

[00:49:09 - 00:49:12] Speaker: Unknown
Why? We, allegedly,

[00:49:12 - 00:49:13] Speaker: Unknown
allegedly.

[00:49:13 - 00:49:17] Speaker: Unknown
We have to protect ourselves here.

[00:49:17 - 00:49:19] Speaker: Unknown
She's,
I don't know, in total transparency.

[00:49:19 - 00:49:20] Speaker: Unknown
I don't know her. I don't even know.

[00:49:20 - 00:49:23] Speaker: Unknown
I couldn't pick her out of a lineup
or her party line.

[00:49:23 - 00:49:28] Speaker: Unknown
But, I mean, at the same time,
there have been times,

[00:49:28 - 00:49:32] Speaker: Unknown
in the moment
where she has made it, see, and

[00:49:32 - 00:49:35] Speaker: Unknown
and this is where this is how I know
she's a party person.

[00:49:36 - 00:49:36] Speaker: Unknown
Okay?

[00:49:36 - 00:49:39] Speaker: Unknown
Her and I would have a late night
conversation.

[00:49:39 - 00:49:42] Speaker: Unknown
That was fantastic.

[00:49:42 - 00:49:44] Speaker: Unknown
We would both agree.

[00:49:44 - 00:49:47] Speaker: Unknown
This is atrocious.

[00:49:47 - 00:49:50] Speaker: Unknown
This is not going to this is

[00:49:50 - 00:49:52] Speaker: Unknown
this way.

[00:49:52 - 00:49:53] Speaker: Unknown
You're right.

[00:49:53 - 00:49:54] Speaker: Unknown
Is I'm voting this way.

[00:49:54 - 00:49:56] Speaker: Unknown
You're right, you're right.

[00:49:56 - 00:50:01] Speaker: Unknown
Comes down to the vote
because between her and I tell you

[00:50:02 - 00:50:06] Speaker: Unknown
and the actual vote she got a phone call
or she made a phone call.

[00:50:07 - 00:50:12] Speaker: Unknown
You're presuming this presuming because
allegedly everything changed, okay?

[00:50:12 - 00:50:14] Speaker: Unknown
Everything changed at that moment.

[00:50:14 - 00:50:17] Speaker: Unknown
Like she
and she didn't just do it with me.

[00:50:17 - 00:50:19] Speaker: Unknown
She did it with several others, too.

[00:50:19 - 00:50:21] Speaker: Unknown
And it's like, whoa.

[00:50:21 - 00:50:22] Speaker: Unknown
We had a great conversation last night.

[00:50:22 - 00:50:24] Speaker: Unknown
We agreed on this.

[00:50:24 - 00:50:27] Speaker: Unknown
And now all of a sudden, where did you go?
What did you do?

[00:50:27 - 00:50:29] Speaker: Unknown
Like, like that's.

[00:50:29 - 00:50:33] Speaker: Unknown
So I'm assuming
that she talked to somebody or whatever.

[00:50:33 - 00:50:36] Speaker: Unknown
But back to our yeah,

[00:50:36 - 00:50:38] Speaker: Unknown
it's a show.

[00:50:38 - 00:50:39] Speaker: Unknown
It is a show.

[00:50:39 - 00:50:45] Speaker: Unknown
And what it is is basically
just so that they can keep everything

[00:50:46 - 00:50:48] Speaker: Unknown
legal, okay?

[00:50:48 - 00:50:51] Speaker: Unknown
Because they would come to us
with a document,

[00:50:51 - 00:50:53] Speaker: Unknown
and, and say, you need to sign this.

[00:50:53 - 00:50:55] Speaker: Unknown
I'm like, what is it?

[00:50:55 - 00:50:58] Speaker: Unknown
You know, the board needs to sign. Know,

[00:50:58 - 00:51:01] Speaker: Unknown
like what the board needs to bring this

[00:51:01 - 00:51:03] Speaker: Unknown
and put it on the agenda
so they could vote on it. Okay.

[00:51:03 - 00:51:04] Speaker: Unknown
Where's the documentation?

[00:51:04 - 00:51:06] Speaker: Unknown
What are what are we doing here?

[00:51:06 - 00:51:09] Speaker: Unknown
But it was all just to keep everything
legal.

[00:51:09 - 00:51:12] Speaker: Unknown
It it it it was never for us.

[00:51:12 - 00:51:16] Speaker: Unknown
We don't make the decisions.

[00:51:16 - 00:51:18] Speaker: Unknown
And it's the most

[00:51:18 - 00:51:22] Speaker: Unknown
it's the some would say
it's the most outside of human beings.

[00:51:22 - 00:51:27] Speaker: Unknown
It's the most precious
part of our country is the vote.

[00:51:27 - 00:51:30] Speaker: Unknown
And the people who are supposed to

[00:51:30 - 00:51:31] Speaker: Unknown
look after that

[00:51:31 - 00:51:34] Speaker: Unknown
and make it wonderful and fair and free

[00:51:34 - 00:51:39] Speaker: Unknown
are apparently not making the decisions
to make it wonderful, fair and free.

[00:51:39 - 00:51:41] Speaker: Unknown
I mean, is that
is that the crux of your report?

[00:51:41 - 00:51:45] Speaker: Unknown
The county manager
and everybody is the ones that are.

[00:51:45 - 00:51:46] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah.

[00:51:46 - 00:51:52] Speaker: Unknown
So if you read the one part
which is in the authority to do that,

[00:51:52 - 00:51:55] Speaker: Unknown
they took the authority
for the administrative process,

[00:51:55 - 00:51:56] Speaker: Unknown
the administrative good.

[00:51:56 - 00:51:58] Speaker: Unknown
When did this happen?

[00:51:58 - 00:52:02] Speaker: Unknown
Then the ability to do that,

[00:52:02 - 00:52:07] Speaker: Unknown
and here's the

[00:52:07 - 00:52:10] Speaker: Unknown
jump to read it for, you know, carefully.

[00:52:10 - 00:52:12] Speaker: Unknown
Okay. Good God.

[00:52:12 - 00:52:14] Speaker: Unknown
How much,
how longer or how much longer would

[00:52:14 - 00:52:20] Speaker: Unknown
your report have been
if you actually used larger font?

[00:52:20 - 00:52:23] Speaker: Unknown
I know,

[00:52:23 - 00:52:23] Speaker: Unknown
yeah.

[00:52:23 - 00:52:25] Speaker: Unknown
12, 12, 12 is the bare minimum.

[00:52:25 - 00:52:28] Speaker: Unknown
I know, I know, but it's under.

[00:52:28 - 00:52:29] Speaker: Unknown
I'm under.

[00:52:29 - 00:52:32] Speaker: Unknown
It's no secret
that Luzerne County has its problems.

[00:52:32 - 00:52:34] Speaker: Unknown
We've had the throwing away of military

[00:52:34 - 00:52:38] Speaker: Unknown
ballots, paper gate,
the misspelling of names and, the ballots,

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the wrong files and tremendous closing

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ballots to be wrong and so much more.

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My purpose is not to belabor the issue.

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My point is
that we need a better way of doing things.

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When it comes down to the elections
here in Luzerne County,

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I think that there should be more
transparency in communication

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with the voters in Luzerne County.

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That was literally put up
because they put up all these walls

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in a December 2021, in their paper
to the only paper, the the windows.

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Yeah, they did that
with the election board, but not so much.

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What they did was they put up all these
office walls right in front of partitions.

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Yeah, yeah.

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The partitions say
the workers come around to the center

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and then come to the window.

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But you can't you can't see anything
in the bureau office.

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You used to be a really big wide
open space.

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They closed it all.

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And actually this isn't even.

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Why would they do that?

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You know, because.

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Isn't it supposed to be transparent?

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Yeah, but
they they walled it off for transparency.

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If they wanted our say so, they

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nobody would have anything to question.

[00:53:47 - 00:53:48] Speaker: Unknown
To question.

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They can't. Do you

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I like I've been wrestling with this for

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like a couple of years and like,

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everyone's heard rumors

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about election criminality,
whether it's ballot harvesting

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or literally fraudulent ballots or blah,
blah, blah.

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Do you like.

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The thing about, like,

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let's say MAGA,
whatever the fuck that means,

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because I still haven't
had anybody define it to me.

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But they're, they're
they're kind of like the, the,

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the spotlight's on them
for like election integrity.

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It's like

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whenever, whenever someone

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tries to question a thing

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from some sort of authority

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that should be publicly

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viewable and explained

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and understood,
it seems like there's a pushback.

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So every time, like anybody who's had
kids knows that.

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Like if you ask little Johnny, the thing

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and he doesn't want to talk about it,
there's probably something there.

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Yeah.

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And is it do you like it seems like

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especially in government,
there's like this, this fear.

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It's not a it's it's like

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this manufactured fear where it's like
they're going to lock down.

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Like, for instance, in Scranton, City
Hall's locked down

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and it's not like locked down,
like nobody can get in, but like,

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it's not the way it was.

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And the and the the the pretense
for why they did it was safety.

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And I always ask the question, I'm
like, well, who are you protecting

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from?

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Like because you have to have
something in mind.

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You have to have like a group

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or people or a legitimate threat
or something like that.

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But I think what they do
is they do stuff like that is to create

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the perception
that you need to be afraid of a group.

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Exactly. They created,

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they had okay.

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So when I went into the election,
like anyone who questions

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the election, Democrat
and Republican is considered MAGA, right?

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Yeah.

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What happened
was I went into the bureau office,

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and this was in October

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of 20 or no, November of 2022.

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It was right after the election.

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The day after the election, the midterms.

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No, this was

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I think it was the midterm election.

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Okay. 2022.

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So I go in and I'm watching them,

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unload the judge's bags.

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Okay, now, you have to understand,
there's all these people, big long table

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and all these people in the front of the

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the judge's bags of the judge of elections
bags.

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Okay, keep going

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in the center.

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And this is paper game, okay?

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This is when there wasn't enough
paper. Right.

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So you specifically
in Republican precincts, right?

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Exactly how the fuck does that happen?

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That was all.

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Okay. Keep going, keep going. Yeah.

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Sorry.

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Had all these ballots that were stuck
in judge's bags all over the place.

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Okay, so you had provisional ballot,

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and instead of it was mayhem
on Election Day.

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I'm not blaming anybody.

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This was just what happened.

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And sometimes, like,

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you're trying to sort through everything
and judges just want to get home.

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At that point.

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They've worked eight, sometimes 14 hours.

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Yeah, our day
and they just want to go home.

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So they're sitting there.

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They all of the stuff they find throughout
the polling location in their back.

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But you have this table out front okay.

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And then you have a table
a table in the back.

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Now the table out front has all the most
experienced people working at it.

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The table in the back, right next to the,

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the the

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director's office has two women,
Hispanics.

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Okay.

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Because they

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probably wanted to work with one another
so they could talk to each other.

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No question. No problem there.

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But they're also the two
most inexperienced people

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working in that, in that,
you know, over there.

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And they're emptying judge's bags,

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and then you have the others out here
emptying judge's bags.

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So, of course, my focus is on these two

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girls in the back
have, like, literally no experience.

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I've never seen them at an election
before.

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Now all of a sudden,
they're working the election okay.

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So to a normal person
that's abnormal, right.

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So you want to pay attention
to the abnormal thing.

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It has nothing to do with who they are,
where they are.

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If they were two white
ladies, you'd be like,

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I'm going to pay attention
to the abnormal thing of the people

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who've never been here before.

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Yeah.

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So now I'm seeing I saw this girl

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taking and again,
we're very open at this point.

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The election office is pretty open.

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I go in
to view this because it's a paper game.

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Okay. Yeah.
Which is earlier in the day. Right.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Well no, that was the day before.

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Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

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So this is the next day.

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So I'm there and I'm watching
and I watch one of the girls throw away

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a big envelope, which I know to be
a judge's attestation form.

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Now, inside the envelope,
it's usually judges or usually ballots.

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So I see her throw this away,
I get nervous,

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I go over to the, the the, garbage

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because I don't want to disturb anybody.

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And while I'm there, I'm kind of

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checking other things
and nothing else in the garbage.

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And sure enough
it was the judge's attestation envelope.

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So I bring it over to one of the girls
that works there.

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That's.

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No, that's something that's signed
at the end of the day.

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Right. Okay.

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By the judge of

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elections,
you have to keep this for the precinct.

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Yeah, yeah, they have to be kept.
They can't be thrown away.

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But I wasn't sure at that time.

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So I went over
to the more experienced person who.

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So what, you think somebody
should be back there working with them?

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And she's like, yeah, that is

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pretty neat. The thing over there.

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She says, we're printing ballots with it.

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And I said, no,

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check the garbage.

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She says, okay, so I

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but can you imagine asking that question,
were there any ballots there?

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Which means that, like,
even that person thought

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it was entirely possible
that somebody just threw ballots away.

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Yeah.

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So now I get on the phone
with a county councilman

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and I said, hey, listen,
I just got these two girls.

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They're very inexperienced.

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They're standing in the back of the office
and they're not,

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you know, he says this morning.

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Oh, and I said, I don't know.

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And he says, that's your job to go check.

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So I go over to the
I go over to the girls.

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And I said, you're seeing
on the phone, see, I said to the girl,

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and I remember this
like it was yesterday to my left hand,

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to them.

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And you're supposed to raise your right
hand.

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And I said

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to the one girl, I said,
who are you sworn in?

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And she goes, she goes,
I don't know what that means.

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Stand in front of the judge
and say that you were going

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to uphold the election process,
which says, you know.

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And I looked at the other girl.

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I said, what about you? She said, no.

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And I said, you did nothing wrong.

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Just stop
what you're doing until I can figure this.

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And I

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turned around and I said,
no they're not end this.

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I said no I said that.

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She says I'm going to make some phone
calls.

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You make some phone calls.

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And then I look at the phone.

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I walk back to the desk.

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It was sitting at.

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And sheriff's deputies
come into break into the office

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to remove me from.

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What? Yes.

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Later on,

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they come out with this scathing report

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and me asking them

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if they were sworn in, turned into me,
asking them

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if they had working papers.

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Why would they help

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receiving a paycheck from the county?

[01:02:20 - 01:02:23] Speaker: Unknown
Like, yeah,
ask them for their Social Security.

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Yeah. Driver's license.

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Why would I ever ask for the working
right at me?

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When I turned around
and I said, no, they're not it.

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They said,

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and I don't want to say the word

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because it's the s-word
for Hispanic people.

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Okay. Spanish.

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Okay. Yeah.

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Super duper.

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Yeah.

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So when was it an SPE word. No.

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Yeah okay.

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They're not no they're not,
they're not sworn in.

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That turned into these s words.

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Don't know what they're doing okay.

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Okay.

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And and no one and no one witnessed this.

[01:03:09 - 01:03:11] Speaker: Unknown
And I have a really hard time with
that thing

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is because my son is Hispanic and.

[01:03:14 - 01:03:17] Speaker: Unknown
Oh, so you're racist. Yeah. Okay.

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And when he went up to Dallas High School,
he was

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he would come home crying
because they all told them the same.

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Okay.

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And it's so it's great to me.

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It's very offensive.

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It's very hurtful.

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And those words would never seem right.

[01:03:35 - 01:03:39] Speaker: Unknown
The fact that they said that, I said
those words hurt more than anything else.

[01:03:39 - 01:03:43] Speaker: Unknown
Then the media
and then this huge explosion.

[01:03:43 - 01:03:47] Speaker: Unknown
And then they posted on, on,

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on the internet, who's they?

[01:03:49 - 01:03:53] Speaker: Unknown
Who's posting this, citizen's voice?

[01:03:54 - 01:03:57] Speaker: Unknown
Oh, the media, the media ripped me up

[01:03:57 - 01:04:01] Speaker: Unknown
for for this,
but went back to what you were saying.

[01:04:01 - 01:04:06] Speaker: Unknown
They then used this incident

[01:04:06 - 01:04:08] Speaker: Unknown
to block off

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the board's access to the office.

[01:04:11 - 01:04:14] Speaker: Unknown
We needed somebody who's day again,

[01:04:14 - 01:04:17] Speaker: Unknown
like,
we have to define the administration.

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The administration.

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And and it is the she used that incident

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to block off

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any access that the Board of Elections
had to that office before I could swipe

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my card and I could walk in
to the Bureau of Elections.

[01:04:38 - 01:04:40] Speaker: Unknown
But they used that

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to block off access
so that the Board of Elections

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no longer can walk
into the Bureau of Elections.

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Everybody or just you.

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Did they investigate that.

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The other thing is they don't
we don't have system access.

[01:04:56 - 01:04:59] Speaker: Unknown
We don't we don't actually have access
to the statewide

[01:04:59 - 01:05:03] Speaker: Unknown
uniform
registry of voters here in the state.

[01:05:03 - 01:05:05] Speaker: Unknown
We're not allowed to access it.

[01:05:05 - 01:05:08] Speaker: Unknown
Why wouldn't you be?

[01:05:08 - 01:05:10] Speaker: Unknown
We should be according to the state.

[01:05:10 - 01:05:11] Speaker: Unknown
We should be.

[01:05:11 - 01:05:13] Speaker: Unknown
Every board member should have it.

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Every election board member
should have access to the uniform

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registry of electors.

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But we don't.

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Do you think that
do you think that did anybody investigate?

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Did anybody question
you or these women about the words

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that were said that anybody
questioned the city council person

[01:05:29 - 01:05:32] Speaker: Unknown
that way, or the county council person
that was on the phone, whether or not he,

[01:05:32 - 01:05:33] Speaker: Unknown
he or she heard that? Yeah.

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Because they tried to remove me from the
from the board of Elections.

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And that's
when I went in front of county council.

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If you Google my name,
you see this picture of me crying.

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It's the most horrendous.

[01:05:47 - 01:05:50] Speaker: Unknown
Well, they always they always choose
the most embarrassing photo.

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Yeah, but what people didn't see was me

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holding the hand of my black pastor

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of over 15 years in the front row.

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They sat there
and snapped all the pictures.

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Not one of them made it into the paper,
but they cut that part out.

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They they edited that because that didn't
fit the narrative, you know what I mean?

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So wait, so you get accused of saying

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a word,

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an offensive word offensive
to some people.

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And, and there's a lot of,

[01:06:25 - 01:06:30] Speaker: Unknown
there's a lot of things
that are now spinning off of that moment.

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Did anyone question you did any
it was there an investigation?

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Did anybody talk to you?

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What I had to say, they just wanted to
rip me apart because you were.

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Because you questioned a thing.

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Exactly.

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And that was.

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That's what exactly what my report says.

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The moment.

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I mean that,
I mean that, but that whole thing.

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Totally that that whole bureau
totally changed in that moment.

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Yeah.

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Like their practices, their procedures,
everything.

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Everything.

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They used it because you because you asked
two women if they were sworn

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in to to have the responsibilities of,
of what they're doing right now.

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Here's the kicker.

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Had I known

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that title 25 gives me

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the authority currently,
I skipped over that part

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gives me the authority
to swear in election workers.

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I would just want a man like that
in there.

[01:07:27 - 01:07:29] Speaker: Unknown
I didn't know any about it.

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Okay.

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Did anybody in any other people on the.

[01:07:32 - 01:07:34] Speaker: Unknown
No one else knew that either.

[01:07:34 - 01:07:36] Speaker: Unknown
That they had the authority
to do that? No.

[01:07:36 - 01:07:39] Speaker: Unknown
Until I started researching it
and found out that I did

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have the authority to swear people in.

[01:07:42 - 01:07:45] Speaker: Unknown
Then I started swearing people in.

[01:07:45 - 01:07:48] Speaker: Unknown
We we were able to all of a sudden.

[01:07:48 - 01:07:50] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah, for people who don't know,
like people who work Election day

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have to do that.

[01:07:51 - 01:07:54] Speaker: Unknown
I have changed things
I didn't think I did, but

[01:07:54 - 01:07:57] Speaker: Unknown
then think I have changed things.

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For example,

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we now can investigate all

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of the irregularities and the questions,

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but we have to stay quiet about it.

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Okay?

[01:08:11 - 01:08:13] Speaker: Unknown
But now at least we can investigate them.

[01:08:13 - 01:08:16] Speaker: Unknown
We weren't able to investigate them
before.

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Now we have the authority

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to swear people in.

[01:08:22 - 01:08:24] Speaker: Unknown
We were never able to do that before.

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They had to call a judge in
to come down to the bureau.

[01:08:27 - 01:08:29] Speaker: Unknown
Oh, so you were right.

[01:08:29 - 01:08:30] Speaker: Unknown
So you were right
that you could swear people in.

[01:08:30 - 01:08:35] Speaker: Unknown
I was right by it was all this push, pull.

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And up until that point and, you know,

[01:08:40 - 01:08:42] Speaker: Unknown
I think

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I think every time I find something

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or I question
something here, here's here with us,

[01:08:50 - 01:08:54] Speaker: Unknown
it's important to note
that if any issue or fault is found

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with the bureau or administration
and this issue is exposed,

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or there is fear of exposure in any way,

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there is retribution for the individual

[01:09:07 - 01:09:10] Speaker: Unknown
or individuals who discovered the issue.

[01:09:10 - 01:09:14] Speaker: Unknown
I note two specific instances here.

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No, explain that you

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there's retributive retribution
against people against you.

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Yeah, not just me, but other people.

[01:09:21 - 01:09:26] Speaker: Unknown
If you question anything in the bureau
office, you question anything,

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any practice or something that they forgot
or something that they didn't do.

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I mean, you are.

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And they make stuff disappear.

[01:09:38 - 01:09:40] Speaker: Unknown
They make stuff disappear all the time.

[01:09:40 - 01:09:42] Speaker: Unknown
What is what is that like? Okay.

[01:09:42 - 01:09:46] Speaker: Unknown
So so and I also have to clarify they

[01:09:46 - 01:09:50] Speaker: Unknown
when when we say the administration
if I say

[01:09:50 - 01:09:55] Speaker: Unknown
so the administration of the people
that work for the county council.

[01:09:55 - 01:09:55] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah.

[01:09:55 - 01:09:59] Speaker: Unknown
So you have the county manager.

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The people.

[01:10:00 - 01:10:02] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah. Yeah.

[01:10:02 - 01:10:05] Speaker: Unknown
Top down county government.

[01:10:05 - 01:10:08] Speaker: Unknown
So I, I don't want to blame this
on council

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because councils like has really literally
nothing to do with that.

[01:10:12 - 01:10:14] Speaker: Unknown
Well we know there is a separation

[01:10:14 - 01:10:17] Speaker: Unknown
between the elected officials
and the workers. So.

[01:10:17 - 01:10:19] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah major. Yeah.

[01:10:19 - 01:10:21] Speaker: Unknown
But when it came when it comes to okay.

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And I cite one of the things in my report
that you, you know, that disappears.

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Yeah.

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Like and I even have it in there,

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there were is mysteriously disappeared
mysteriously, cannot be put on line.

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Okay.

[01:10:38 - 01:10:41] Speaker: Unknown
But and they removed

[01:10:41 - 01:10:47] Speaker: Unknown
the the incident from the minutes
and I tried to get it back added back in.

[01:10:47 - 01:10:51] Speaker: Unknown
But I can't because they don't
want to add it back in.

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Okay.

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But what happened was I knew

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I you had to talk about this,
I don't care, okay, I don't care okay.

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What can they do?

[01:10:59 - 01:11:02] Speaker: Unknown
I have no idea. God. Now what?

[01:11:02 - 01:11:05] Speaker: Unknown
You know, I mean, yeah,
they probably could

[01:11:05 - 01:11:09] Speaker: Unknown
try to come after me for something,
but I'm not sure what.

[01:11:09 - 01:11:11] Speaker: Unknown
I've never been arrested
in my entire life.

[01:11:11 - 01:11:12] Speaker: Unknown
What?

[01:11:12 - 01:11:14] Speaker: Unknown
What are you just trying
to. You're just trying to tell the truth.

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Yeah.

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The problem is, like.

[01:11:16 - 01:11:18] Speaker: Unknown
Like I'm not on the board anymore.

[01:11:18 - 01:11:22] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah, it's very freeing,
to be honest with you, because

[01:11:22 - 01:11:25] Speaker: Unknown
I'm finally able
to talk about these things that I feel

[01:11:25 - 01:11:28] Speaker: Unknown
like have been pent up for a long time.

[01:11:29 - 01:11:32] Speaker: Unknown
Anyway, in the 2024 election

[01:11:32 - 01:11:35] Speaker: Unknown
there was mayhem, okay.

[01:11:35 - 01:11:40] Speaker: Unknown
And there were so many people going
into the office because what happened

[01:11:40 - 01:11:44] Speaker: Unknown
was they decided to do a lot of people
decided to do a ballot on demand.

[01:11:44 - 01:11:45] Speaker: Unknown
Okay.

[01:11:45 - 01:11:48] Speaker: Unknown
There's a big push for Mail-In
ballot and ballot on demand.

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So everybody was going into office
standing on line,

[01:11:52 - 01:11:57] Speaker: Unknown
getting their actual ballot,
filling it out, dropping in Dropbox.

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Okay,

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these people that dropped it in
the Dropbox

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are wondering, I just filled out my ballot

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Dropbox weeks later.

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How come it's not showing up
as received by the office?

[01:12:11 - 01:12:13] Speaker: Unknown
It should show up online as received.

[01:12:13 - 01:12:15] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah, everyone who does
a mailing can check their

[01:12:15 - 01:12:17] Speaker: Unknown
their status of their mail in ballot.

[01:12:17 - 01:12:17] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah.

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Adjudication.

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Okay.

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And I said to the deputy director, Steve
and I said

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and and people are concerned about this.

[01:12:30 - 01:12:34] Speaker: Unknown
So throughout the election,
all they're doing is I'm bombarding

[01:12:34 - 01:12:37] Speaker: Unknown
the office with phone calls,
like hundreds and hundreds of phone calls.

[01:12:37 - 01:12:40] Speaker: Unknown
And those that have my cell phone
number are calling me.

[01:12:40 - 01:12:43] Speaker: Unknown
I have missed the
I like, sat there and talked

[01:12:43 - 01:12:47] Speaker: Unknown
to 30 to 50 people per day

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leading up to the presidential election

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who were

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just checking the verification
of their of their ballot, showing receipt.

[01:12:55 - 01:12:56] Speaker: Unknown
It's still not showing receipt.

[01:12:56 - 01:13:00] Speaker: Unknown
So then I turned around
to write an email to the office

[01:13:00 - 01:13:03] Speaker: Unknown
and then mysteriously, it's not okay.

[01:13:03 - 01:13:07] Speaker: Unknown
So why was this happening?

[01:13:07 - 01:13:11] Speaker: Unknown
And I was told that the system was archaic
and doesn't

[01:13:11 - 01:13:14] Speaker: Unknown
apply to the actual issues.

[01:13:14 - 01:13:17] Speaker: Unknown
Now, the issue is the scanner that scans

[01:13:17 - 01:13:21] Speaker: Unknown
all the ballots,
throws it on a jump drive.

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Then they take that jump drive,
they upload it into the share system,

[01:13:25 - 01:13:29] Speaker: Unknown
and it reflects
that they received that ballot.

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That was the office received the ballot.

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And then therefore the voter
can check and say, oh, here's my ballot.

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How long does this

[01:13:37 - 01:13:39] Speaker: Unknown
how long does this process take

[01:13:39 - 01:13:42] Speaker: Unknown
from filling out the ballot
and getting it on the Trump drive,

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like if you were to do it,

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if somebody was to do it on their own,
somebody who does this,

[01:13:46 - 01:13:48] Speaker: Unknown
how long is that process

[01:13:49 - 01:13:50] Speaker: Unknown
scanned?

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18,000 ballots per hour.

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Okay.

[01:13:56 - 01:13:58] Speaker: Unknown
We don't have that many ballots per hour
okay.

[01:13:58 - 01:14:01] Speaker: Unknown
So it's it's a very quick process.

[01:14:01 - 01:14:07] Speaker: Unknown
So we get to adjudication,
which is after the election.

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And we're sitting there and I said,

[01:14:10 - 01:14:15] Speaker: Unknown
you know, I had a question on the.

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The ballot

[01:14:16 - 01:14:20] Speaker: Unknown
Dropbox forms
were not filled out properly okay.

[01:14:20 - 01:14:21] Speaker: Unknown
And they never are.

[01:14:21 - 01:14:22] Speaker: Unknown
All right.

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Unless the sheriff's office goes and
does them because they take it seriously.

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It's like, this is, my God,
I got to do this.

[01:14:28 - 01:14:30] Speaker: Unknown
What do you mean?
The Dropbox forms are not filled out.

[01:14:30 - 01:14:32] Speaker: Unknown
What information should be on there
that isn't on there?

[01:14:32 - 01:14:35] Speaker: Unknown
The count of the ballots
that you pick up at the dropbox

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picked up at the Dropbox,
the two signatures from both.

[01:14:38 - 01:14:40] Speaker: Unknown
It's somebody from the elections
and the sheriff's office.

[01:14:40 - 01:14:42] Speaker: Unknown
Right? Yeah, I could show you.

[01:14:42 - 01:14:44] Speaker: Unknown
No, no, I believe you.

[01:14:44 - 01:14:48] Speaker: Unknown
Right here we have the ballot Dropbox

[01:14:48 - 01:14:50] Speaker: Unknown
because we have
Dropbox is in Lackawanna County, too.

[01:14:50 - 01:14:52] Speaker: Unknown
And that was always a question of mine.
Right.

[01:14:52 - 01:14:54] Speaker: Unknown
Because they're supposed to be picked up
every day, right?

[01:14:54 - 01:14:59] Speaker: Unknown
And signed off on by two people
because there's a chain of custody.

[01:14:59 - 01:15:01] Speaker: Unknown
Right. Exactly.

[01:15:01 - 01:15:03] Speaker: Unknown
That's what they are called
is the chain of custody.

[01:15:03 - 01:15:04] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah.

[01:15:04 - 01:15:09] Speaker: Unknown
And if they're not filled out properly,
then you've broken the chain of custody.

[01:15:09 - 01:15:11] Speaker: Unknown
Broken the chain of custody.

[01:15:11 - 01:15:14] Speaker: Unknown
Not only that, but there's a locked bag
with a little number thing

[01:15:14 - 01:15:18] Speaker: Unknown
that goes on it, and that seals it, right?

[01:15:18 - 01:15:18] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah.

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And inside it is the number, that seal.

[01:15:23 - 01:15:23] Speaker: Unknown
Right.

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So that you can't get out, you open it up,
you take it out, you verify

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the number of the seal is the number
on the inside of the bag for good.

[01:15:31 - 01:15:35] Speaker: Unknown
It's kind of like in the movies when you
see the the the the nuclear submarine

[01:15:35 - 01:15:38] Speaker: Unknown
who want to launch a missile,
it's like you have a code.

[01:15:38 - 01:15:39] Speaker: Unknown
I have a code to the codes match. Okay?

[01:15:39 - 01:15:43] Speaker: Unknown
That means we can we can proceed. Yeah.

[01:15:43 - 01:15:45] Speaker: Unknown
That practice

[01:15:45 - 01:15:49] Speaker: Unknown
is not taking place at the drop boxes
at Penn Place.

[01:15:49 - 01:15:50] Speaker: Unknown
I can tell you that right now.

[01:15:50 - 01:15:52] Speaker: Unknown
They're not using the bag.

[01:15:52 - 01:15:55] Speaker: Unknown
They're not signing up on the the,

[01:15:55 - 01:15:56] Speaker: Unknown
Who is due?

[01:15:56 - 01:16:02] Speaker: Unknown
Who? Well, how how does this happen?

[01:16:02 - 01:16:04] Speaker: Unknown
But here's the funny thing.

[01:16:04 - 01:16:08] Speaker: Unknown
Oh, my God, they're not very,

[01:16:08 - 01:16:11] Speaker: Unknown
even faking it.

[01:16:12 - 01:16:14] Speaker: Unknown
So what do you mean

[01:16:14 - 01:16:15] Speaker: Unknown
they're not even faking it?

[01:16:15 - 01:16:17] Speaker: Unknown
There's a signature missing.

[01:16:17 - 01:16:19] Speaker: Unknown
There's no number of ballots
for those of us.

[01:16:19 - 01:16:25] Speaker: Unknown
So I question Steve, and I said, Steve,
these are not being filled up properly.

[01:16:25 - 01:16:28] Speaker: Unknown
And he goes.

[01:16:28 - 01:16:29] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah,

[01:16:29 - 01:16:31] Speaker: Unknown
well, we got busy, blah blah blah blah.

[01:16:31 - 01:16:36] Speaker: Unknown
But hey, you know, are you guys
in the bags or like what's going on?

[01:16:36 - 01:16:38] Speaker: Unknown
He's like, well, no, here's what we do.

[01:16:38 - 01:16:43] Speaker: Unknown
We put it in a bin and then and he's like,

[01:16:44 - 01:16:46] Speaker: Unknown
Steve is one of those guys.

[01:16:46 - 01:16:49] Speaker: Unknown
He's honest to a fault,
but he doesn't know he's

[01:16:49 - 01:16:53] Speaker: Unknown
been like that honest
or that there's any problem to be honest.

[01:16:53 - 01:16:56] Speaker: Unknown
Right. People question them about.

[01:16:56 - 01:16:57] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah.

[01:16:57 - 01:16:57] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah.

[01:16:57 - 01:17:01] Speaker: Unknown
You know
so that's what he did that he got.

[01:17:01 - 01:17:05] Speaker: Unknown
I said, okay, so
you're just putting them in the sink now.

[01:17:05 - 01:17:08] Speaker: Unknown
It is a room with a,

[01:17:08 - 01:17:11] Speaker: Unknown
a camera focused on all of the ballots.

[01:17:11 - 01:17:13] Speaker: Unknown
So you could see them
coming into the room.

[01:17:13 - 01:17:15] Speaker: Unknown
You know, that they're going
from one place to the next.

[01:17:15 - 01:17:18] Speaker: Unknown
And, you know,
so there is monitoring that way.

[01:17:19 - 01:17:25] Speaker: Unknown
But the funny thing is, then I said,

[01:17:25 - 01:17:28] Speaker: Unknown
so you're putting back into that room

[01:17:29 - 01:17:33] Speaker: Unknown
and not running through the jealous
machine?

[01:17:33 - 01:17:37] Speaker: Unknown
No, no.

[01:17:37 - 01:17:41] Speaker: Unknown
Earlier
that election, I was told by Emily Cook,

[01:17:41 - 01:17:42] Speaker: Unknown
oh, they're all being untrue.

[01:17:42 - 01:17:43] Speaker: Unknown
The actual is

[01:17:43 - 01:17:46] Speaker: Unknown
as soon as we bring them upstairs,
they're being burned through the actual.

[01:17:46 - 01:17:47] Speaker: Unknown
And then.

[01:17:47 - 01:17:50] Speaker: Unknown
But we're having a problem uploading

[01:17:50 - 01:17:53] Speaker: Unknown
from the actual list to the sure system.

[01:17:53 - 01:17:59] Speaker: Unknown
$300,000 Sheen, by the way, that they
promised would integrate well with this.

[01:17:59 - 01:18:04] Speaker: Unknown
They already had access to our systems
and everything was peachy.

[01:18:04 - 01:18:05] Speaker: Unknown
But no.

[01:18:05 - 01:18:08] Speaker: Unknown
Now all of a sudden, it's not here.

[01:18:08 - 01:18:10] Speaker: Unknown
That wasn't the problem at all.

[01:18:10 - 01:18:12] Speaker: Unknown
They were never running in through
the list.

[01:18:12 - 01:18:16] Speaker: Unknown
You had hundreds of people
calling that office

[01:18:16 - 01:18:20] Speaker: Unknown
looking for their ballots,
and you had to do experiments

[01:18:20 - 01:18:25] Speaker: Unknown
with that machine that processes
all the processes 18,000 an hour.

[01:18:25 - 01:18:26] Speaker: Unknown
Got it.

[01:18:26 - 01:18:28] Speaker: Unknown
But yet you couldn't do that.

[01:18:28 - 01:18:31] Speaker: Unknown
So that's why.

[01:18:31 - 01:18:36] Speaker: Unknown
And if it were me, I would have
had somebody dedicated to that machine

[01:18:37 - 01:18:39] Speaker: Unknown
the entire election.

[01:18:39 - 01:18:41] Speaker: Unknown
Why wouldn't they?

[01:18:41 - 01:18:44] Speaker: Unknown
I don't know, it's beyond me.

[01:18:44 - 01:18:47] Speaker: Unknown
The only thing that comes to mind.

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But nobody told you why? No.

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Here's the thing.

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Well, when you said wait, wait.

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So when you when you,

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when you ask them that and they said
no, did you, did you go, well why not.

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Yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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We had you had the recording,

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recording at that time

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they mysteriously cannot upload

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adjudication
to the recordings to the website.

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It's lost now

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or whatever it is,
but nobody can hear the adjudication.

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Meaning
they took the the minutes mysteriously

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don't include those comments from, Mr. C.

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Fine. So.

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And what do you what do you think is

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what do you think is going on

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like you like
you're like you're one of the

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like you're one of a major conspiracy.

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I don't think I don't
I don't think so either.

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But there needs to be
something that explains like,

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is it just like,
I just think there was a lack of it.

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So I think you had two major problems
with there.

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You had a lack of,

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you didn't have enough personnel, okay.

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Cause they didn't have enough personnel
at the time.

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Honestly, they did. They really did not.

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And then on top of it, you

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don't have you didn't have,

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You had an inexperienced director.

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She was fairly new at the time.

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And you have it.

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It seems like they've changed
directors over, like the last five years.

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A couple of times.

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And it seems like, because I forget,

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I think I had John Lombardo
on to talk, and I'm like, why isn't there?

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Like,

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why is there practices and procedures
that they have it

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like every Starbucks,
every fucking Blockbuster Video.

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So if, God forbid,

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the comet hits and you lose
like your manager or your CEO or whatever,

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everybody knows what is expected of them
and what needs to be done

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and timelines and all this shit. How does

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is are they like appointing friends?

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Like my theory, my philosophy on like,

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elected officials is like,
you elect the prom king and queen.

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And then what they do
is they bring the cool kids

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table to come run everything
who shouldn't be running.

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Shit, Imelda.

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That's what she has.

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She has failed, but she can't.

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But she can't be like.

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But the administrative positions
with all of her friends and family.

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Who's there to vet that?

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Not family understanding.

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Because any family
that I know what I mean.

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Like and like, I don't know this woman and
and in their defense,

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you know, there's a lot of time.

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So it's like, you know, people are like,
you can't swing a dead cat around here.

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What? Hitting you?

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You know what I mean?

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Like, Scranton is the like where
I'm in Scranton.

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It's like the joke is, is like you.

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Either you either know them
or you're related to them.

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So it's like there's always some sort
of connection to somebody somewhere,

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you know?

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So I don't want to, like, make it seem
like I mean, it could entirely be true.

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Like that's what happen.

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But like, how does how does it like,
this is the most precious thing

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that we do.

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How is it treated like

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it's a Baskin Robbins

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with all the high school kids running it

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and 20 people and so forth,
it didn't really get to the

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they were registered way
before election time.

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They never got to.

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They have a 97 year
old man who came up from Florida Democrat.

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I don't care who you are,
Republican. Democrat.

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Yeah, like I don't
I don't care who you are

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going to go to bat for you
because I believe in the right to vote.

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Yeah.

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And 97 year old kid comes up from,

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Florida, decides to go to Senator
Lisa Baker's office,

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goes there to make sure that he can vote
because he doesn't have his I.D..

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So he got concerned.

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I don't have my ID yet because I haven't
in my pencil idea, because I just came up.

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But I want to register to vote
in Pennsylvania and get this process.

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So he goes to Lisa Baker's office, uses
his Social Security number in order to

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register.

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He never got registered.

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He's still not registered to Mr..

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Oh, 20 people
that you never got to never get to vote

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because the in the presidential election
the registered in September.

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Do you think there's more.

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Oh no doubt, no doubt.

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There's got to be tons more that
never that I never got reported to.

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These are just
the people who reported to me.

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It's it's a mass.

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It's it's very disappointing.

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It's very upsetting.

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And and but yet nobody you know,

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the other problem is,

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and it happened to Joe Grant.

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He too, he got attacked.

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You know, he the pizza place, Joe.

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Granted. Granted.

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You know, he's he's he's a good friend.

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He's, a Republican down in Luzerne County
that he spoke out at a meeting,

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and because he spoke out, all of a sudden,
he he sits down and everything's fine.

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And then all of a sudden,
and we didn't call security,

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but all of a sudden, security

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comes in and lifts him out of his seat
and tries to bring him out.

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Oh, I think I saw this wasn't

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that wasn't like Scott Pressler there
or something for that.

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No, he wasn't there at the time.

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What did he speak about?

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He was speaking.

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I don't remember what he was
speaking about.

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It was like probably knowing him.

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He was speaking about something
that's true.

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You know, but I mean, for example,
the other example is,

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Morelli, Rick Morelli absent

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at almost every single adjudication,
meaning every single everything is never.

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They're never there.

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Who's he

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good friend of for,

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But what does he do?

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Like,
why would he be there for an election?

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Okay. It's like, why is he there?

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Why is he on the Board of Elections

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if he's never their friend,
then she needed.

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And then on this board,
I mean, you're making I mean, we can't

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verify those things.

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Yeah, I know, I know, I know, I know,
I know, but, like,

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we have to
we have to be careful about, like,

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So why, like,

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if it's there, isn't there
something in like the, the the.

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I don't even know if there's practices
and procedures anymore,

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but isn't there anything in there like
if you miss a certain amount of meetings

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or whatever, like you've you've lost your
ability to be on the board?

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Because I know,

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because I know, like even for elected
officials around here,

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like if you miss X amount of consecutive
or total,

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like you've basically abdicated
your responsibility as a

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person board.

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True.

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I mean, that's the way I felt at the end.

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I felt like,
so you and and all of fire and

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and in the gut and now you're leaving
totally destroyed or what?

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Yeah.

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You feel like what was my purpose?

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And, you know,
I wasn't the only one fired up.

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And a whole bunch of people around me
that were fired up,

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and their joy

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and their excitement and their
everything was killed as well.

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To get in there
and try to do the right thing.

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And it just feels like I ended this.

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And, you know,
I was doing it all along because

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the one

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Republican that I had on the board with me
felt like

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like he was just catering to their to that
he was catering to

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either the county manager
or catering to the Democrats.

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But what I felt like

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I couldn't even get his support in
anything that was worth morally.

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It was like, you know, I it was just

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it was just something that I felt like
you're on an island.

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Yeah.

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Completely alone, completely on an island.

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You know, I I'll be honest when I had

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but there were other members of the board

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that were unbelievable.

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They were right there with me and,
and and if nothing else,

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they were backing, backing me up,
or I was backing them up.

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Often there was this one guy,

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oh, I'm going to say,
oh, now, you're not mentioning names.

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Yeah.

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We can't only mention the names

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of the people we were annoyed with.

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I don't think you should mention
anybody's, Dave.

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I think it should be real vague.

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I should be vague.

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He to be honest,

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oftentimes because I was so confused

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so many times during meetings and stuff
like that,

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I would

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go to him with my ideas

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or my things that I wanted to discuss,

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and I would give it to him,

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oh, to be the one,
because he would present it with grace.

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And you're not graceful or I.

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I have grown,

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you're.

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Oh, you're a little piss and vinegar
a little bit.

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Yeah.

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I've grown.

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I'm not like I used to be.

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I used to say everything.

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Everything would come out of my mouth
without thinking, you know?

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It's just like there's a passion there.

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Yeah, but if you.

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You know, I think

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I think you catch more money than you do.

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And I think that, you know, I went before,
I went before

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county council the other day and,

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about this election

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ordinance they wanted to put in.

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And you know what, in the way I spoke
and I think God had a lot to do with it,

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you know, because I prayed beforehand.

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I think that

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in doing that, I'm looking out at all

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these people, and I'm speaking to them
and they're sitting there myself

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in a room full of Democrats
that they're sitting in for you.

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And I think that in a presentation
and being,

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being able to present things
a certain way,

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you are able to.

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Catch your flies.

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Yeah.

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And you're able to,

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catch the attention
and keep the attention.

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I think if you go in there and you blame,

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and you speak out and you,
you attack 1 or 2 people or whatever

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else, you lose the entire room,
you lose the entire crowd.

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Yeah, it's weird how that happens.

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And the people on your side are like,
go further.

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And and the people who you're like,
you already know where they're at.

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Yeah.

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You want to you want to persuade people
that you know, that

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you're that you're saying something
that they should pay attention to.

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Yeah, I think that we need to
we do need to examine,

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even though and in
even if Joe is a perfect example.

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I had a conversation with him
and I'm like, you know, Joe, Joe Grant.

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Okay.

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The one that was aggressive.

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If, I think his trial.

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That's insane.

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It really
is. And they're going forward with it.

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They're just well,
there's there's there's nothing there's

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nothing better than.

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A government that just really puts

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the boot on the neck of, of like of a guy.

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Would I tell you, they would ask you.

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I'm not joking.

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They will attack you.
They will make an example of you.

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They will do everything they can
to hurt you.

[01:30:51 - 01:30:53] Speaker: Unknown
But does anybody ever
like to sit and like,

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why is it that public comment or an
a public meeting or something like that?

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Why is that the time
to have the conversation?

[01:30:59 - 01:31:01] Speaker: Unknown
Like why is like,
I've noticed this around here.

[01:31:01 - 01:31:04] Speaker: Unknown
There's a lot of people
who like go to our city council, right?

[01:31:04 - 01:31:11] Speaker: Unknown
And you know, prior to 2020, I'd be like,
they're all fucking crazy.

[01:31:11 - 01:31:14] Speaker: Unknown
And now I'm like, there's
a lot of validity to even the ones who

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everyone, everyone kind of like cast aside
is crazy to what they're saying.

[01:31:19 - 01:31:21] Speaker: Unknown
Like, there's a lot of truth there.

[01:31:21 - 01:31:23] Speaker: Unknown
And I've always like over
the last five years,

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I've found it really disconcerting
to like.

[01:31:28 - 01:31:32] Speaker: Unknown
As an elected official, to not be like,

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you know, it's there's a lot of people

[01:31:34 - 01:31:38] Speaker: Unknown
that take credit that elected officials
don't take criticism well.

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They get really butthurt about it. Yeah.

[01:31:40 - 01:31:44] Speaker: Unknown
And you know
unfortunately like you bought the ticket,

[01:31:44 - 01:31:46] Speaker: Unknown
you got to take
the ride of public criticism

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because that's the only place
they have to go. But

[01:31:50 - 01:31:52] Speaker: Unknown
it would really it would really benefit

[01:31:52 - 01:31:55] Speaker: Unknown
a lot of these elected officials
to like even their harshest critics,

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you know, to take them out to lunch
and have a conversation with them.

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Because at the end of the day,
what I really think happens with a lot of

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just regular Americans

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is they have nowhere else to go.

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They have no one else to talk to
about their grievance.

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And sometimes I've seen it
before where it's, it's it's like

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they just want somebody to listen to them.

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They know that probably nothing's
going to get done, but they just want

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somebody in a position that can listen
to them, to listen to them.

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And I think once,

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like you open yourself up to that,
once you, once you once you

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let your guard down a little bit to talk
to people who might disagree with you,

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it's the best way to
to lower the temperature.

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And I don't know why.

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Like I've seen these meetings, especially
at like Luzerne County and whatever.

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And it's like and I'm sitting there
going, like,

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any one of these council members
can take the the person who's aggrieved

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and say, hey, next week I'm free

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if you want to go get a drink
or something on a Friday or something, or,

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you know, sit in a park, which is weird,
but like something about nature

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that makes
you not want to fight each other.

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And they don't do it.

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Like, just as a politician,
it would be so easy,

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so much easier
for for them to sit down and have

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a nuanced

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conversation and listen
more than you talk.

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And I think the, the flip side of that,

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if someone took these crazy people

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who are probably right,
then you still are.

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Never get rid of your crazy hat.

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It's there for a reason. But,

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on the flip side,
if someone tells them and stuff and down

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and really said, okay,

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let's I know you're fired up,

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let's talk about actually
making a difference with what you say

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and giving presenting them
with a way to say it.

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The nice way is, oh, you're talking
about the performance of it.

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Yeah.

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I mean that's a, that's a thing.

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It's has there's a value value to it.

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It definitely has its value.

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But at the same time.

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When you can influence people,

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I've just found especially with somebody

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especially recently with the changes
I've made with myself,

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I found just making a difference
in that way

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and being able to talk calmly

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and get through to people the right way,

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well, that was one of the
that was one of the things that like,

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it took me so hard to like, you know,
because I was a pussy hat wearing liberal

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and once, once I.

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And look, I'm not really
like a Republican, you know what I mean?

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It's just like your side seems less crazy.

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And one of the weirdest things
that I found was like

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when I started going to like,
because I've had Republican friends and,

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you know, politicians
who I'm friendly with,

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and they ended up
being really good friends to me.

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Once you started going to

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those those get togethers
and whatever you started to notice, like

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the truly inclusive group out of the two

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corrupt groups

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is the Republicans, they'll accept anybody
as long as you're like a conservative.

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I've met people who I'm like, like,
I don't know how.

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I guess we welcome everybody,
which is great.

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But when you sit down
and you talk to them

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like they're they're fired
up, like, they're like,

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they're like 17, 77 Americans were
they're like, fuck you.

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And, you know, but the truth is, it's like

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they're a lot of them are just afraid.

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And they're afraid for good reason.

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They see things happening and, you know,
they're not they're not patient.

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Change happens glacially.

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It moves real slow.

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So they get frustrated

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and they get real pissed off
because they feel

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like they're screaming into the abyss
and no one's listening to them.

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That's
why, like just talk to them like the

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you mentioned Bob Wallace earlier,

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but everyone that hates him
has never talked to him.

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Yeah.

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No, I know they've never like
yeah he's rough around the edges.

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So so a lot of people will say,
you know, everyone that hates

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him has never donated turkeys to people
to eat on Thanksgiving or Christmas.

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And it's like, yeah, he just he,
you know, where you stand.

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Yeah. He's the kind of
he doesn't pull any punches.

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He tells you exactly how he feels.

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Some of it's a little theatrical,
but like, he's a good guy.

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He's always been a nice person to me.

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He's called me to terrible things
sometimes, too.

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But like, I think it's part of,
you know, that guy,

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a veteran,
he went and fought in Vietnam and.

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Yeah, you know, like what?

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Like, what the fuck are we doing?

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Like the guy that, like, people
like we're supposed to be like, oh,

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these are the people that that the values
that we hold on to.

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You know, Bob has never asked for.

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Bob speaks and certain
people hear what they want to hear.

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They don't hear what he's saying.

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And that's and that's a lot of people,

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like there's a lot of Bob's out there
and they and it's just easy.

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It's it's easier to make them the enemy
than it is to actually

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to listen and maybe admit that, like,
they got some points

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about why things are so screwed
up, you and I.

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And like the fact that, like

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the fact that people treated you that way,

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you know,
and you're just searching for the truth,

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you don't seem
like the type of type of person.

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And you're like, if they if somebody
was like, well, here's why we do this.

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Here's why we do that.

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And you'd go, well, fuck you.

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You don't seem like that person, you know?

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And you're like,
if he didn't agree with it, well,

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let's change it
so we can make it more fair and more.

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Yeah.

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How much, how much election.

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How many?

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This is this is totally speculation.

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This is none of this is probably provable
without some sort of deep, deep dive

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that no one is willing to do.

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Or the people that are willing to do
it will be

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attacked from every angle northwest,
south and east.

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What is there fraud in elections?

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Because that's what you wanted
to find out, right.

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And I feel like I don't get anyone.

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I feel like I was definitely brought.

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However,

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there somehow seems be on the back

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and in computer systems.

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Okay.

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I don't access them.

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I can't

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help with them.

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There are things that I've noticed.

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Right.

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And and one of them was outlined
in their paper.

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There's,

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the old director he works for,

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election night here.

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It's a it's a company that comes in

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and audits

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with the old director
for the Election Bureau.

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Yeah.

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Mike, does he work there now
or did he at the time?

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He he did.

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I believe in 2022.

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They have to look back.

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I don't know,
that seems like a conflict. Doesn't it

[01:39:27 - 01:39:30] Speaker: Unknown
look like a conflict of interest
to work for.

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He left the election year
to go work for them for election.

[01:39:35 - 01:39:39] Speaker: Unknown
I Q okay, now

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it's weird.

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The county decides

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we're going to hire election.

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I q afterwards,

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to help us

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with elections.

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This is a
can you read that or you want me to.

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Okay.

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During several elections
now, I've been to the bureau office

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on election Day and noticed Mr.

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Michael, a former director of elections,
working on a computer

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in the election office.

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First, let me state that Mr.

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Soucek was one of the most capable action
directors that I've ever worked with,

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and I do agree with that.

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He was extremely capable, extremely

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well versed in elections and very, very,

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I really do believe that.

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I also understand

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that we, as a county,
have hired the outside

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consulting firm that currently works for

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to help with our election process,

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and I don't take issue with this.

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However, I do,
however, have concerns with him

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or his agency having access
to our computer systems on Election day.

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Any time I have seen any firm or agency

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working in the county election
Bureau office, Dominion,

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any of them,
like there's quite a few that can.

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Okay.

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They have worked on their own laptops

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other than their initial programing

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of the tabulators and marketing devices.

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They all work on their own computers.

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Okay.

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And away from our computers that are
literally at a table kind of like this.

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Okay. In the center of the,

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bureau, I am in no way

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making accusations as they do find Mr.

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Credible, but I don't.

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But I don't feel that this practice lends

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to the integrity of our election process,

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and I don't I don't feel that

[01:41:50 - 01:41:54] Speaker: Unknown
somebody should be tinkering around
in our computer systems.

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I'm not saying that he did anything.

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I really am not because I'm

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not really

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computer savvy
when it comes to certain things.

[01:42:09 - 01:42:12] Speaker: Unknown
If you sat me down and said,

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write a line of code,
I have no idea what it is

[01:42:16 - 01:42:20] Speaker: Unknown
and start with, I think it's C code,
and I don't remember it.

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Kind of like
I remember a little bit from let's Dos.

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Yeah, I lost I remember a little bit,

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but I don't remember much.

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And I can't imagine

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even knowing that stuff. But.

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You know, I have an issue with.

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People being on our computers
in the election era.

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I don't think it's appropriate.

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Who should have access to those?

[01:42:49 - 01:42:54] Speaker: Unknown
Just computer or just our I.T people,

[01:42:54 - 01:42:58] Speaker: Unknown
our county I.T people who

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have been sworn in to our all these people
aren't sworn in working on computers.

[01:43:02 - 01:43:07] Speaker: Unknown
I don't
I don't know if it's just as simple. So.

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What do you.

[01:43:11 - 01:43:14] Speaker: Unknown
Have you ever heard of the machines
being wrong?

[01:43:14 - 01:43:18] Speaker: Unknown
Yes. In Luzerne County, many times
the machines were wrong.

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Yeah.

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For example,

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there was this one time where.

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And I.

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And I do believe it was, I.

[01:43:32 - 01:43:34] Speaker: Unknown
A programing issue.

[01:43:34 - 01:43:35] Speaker: Unknown
Okay.

[01:43:35 - 01:43:38] Speaker: Unknown
But they read Democrat
and Democratic ballot

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instead of Republican
about who program that

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Dominion.

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That was not our fault.

[01:43:46 - 01:43:50] Speaker: Unknown
That was the fault of Dominion.

[01:43:50 - 01:43:52] Speaker: Unknown
Dominion,
the company that was just bought for

[01:43:52 - 01:43:57] Speaker: Unknown
like $1.2 billion from that was that sued,

[01:43:57 - 01:44:02] Speaker: Unknown
that sued and won a case against Tucker
Carlson or Fox News for like $700 million?

[01:44:02 - 01:44:05] Speaker: Unknown
It actually is. And why not?

[01:44:06 - 01:44:08] Speaker: Unknown
As of this year,
we'll be using a different,

[01:44:08 - 01:44:11] Speaker: Unknown
a different company, which I agree with.

[01:44:11 - 01:44:13] Speaker: Unknown
We're going back to paper ballot.

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Are they?

[01:44:13 - 01:44:17] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah, it's all paper ballots
in the polling location.

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The scanner is different.

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But. Yeah.

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And and I couldn't be happier with that.

[01:44:24 - 01:44:29] Speaker: Unknown
I think it'll cause less confusion,
cause less issues.

[01:44:29 - 01:44:32] Speaker: Unknown
The writings will be a lot easier.

[01:44:33 - 01:44:34] Speaker: Unknown
Right. And,

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like, if I were to write someone's name in
and they'll just scan it,

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it's so, so much easier.

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So much easier.

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So I think,
I think the voters will be happy.

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I was skeptical, I think,

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the bureau will be much happier.

[01:44:52 - 01:44:54] Speaker: Unknown
It'll be a lot easier to process.

[01:44:54 - 01:44:57] Speaker: Unknown
You have a hypothesis that

[01:44:57 - 01:45:01] Speaker: Unknown
there's some sort of

[01:45:01 - 01:45:04] Speaker: Unknown
what's the word?

[01:45:04 - 01:45:07] Speaker: Unknown
Something dishonest happens
after the ballots come in.

[01:45:07 - 01:45:09] Speaker: Unknown
Is that your hypothesis?

[01:45:09 - 01:45:13] Speaker: Unknown
When it gets to the computers?

[01:45:13 - 01:45:15] Speaker: Unknown
You could be wrong,

[01:45:15 - 01:45:18] Speaker: Unknown
but you have a hypothesis about that
because you said it before.

[01:45:18 - 01:45:21] Speaker: Unknown
You said I think something happens
after they come in.

[01:45:21 - 01:45:25] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah. If there's. But I can't.

[01:45:25 - 01:45:26] Speaker: Unknown
Is it just a feeling?

[01:45:26 - 01:45:27] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah.

[01:45:27 - 01:45:33] Speaker: Unknown
What makes you have that feeling?

[01:45:33 - 01:45:39] Speaker: Unknown
So. You know

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who told you this?

[01:45:45 - 01:45:48] Speaker: Unknown
It's for some reason it sounds familiar,
but I don't really.

[01:45:48 - 01:45:49] Speaker: Unknown
Those were.

[01:45:49 - 01:45:52] Speaker: Unknown
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[01:45:52 - 01:45:52] Speaker: Unknown
We settled.

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What is that?

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The one who,

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The mules.

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Yeah. Well, she was part of it. Okay?

[01:46:00 - 01:46:07] Speaker: Unknown
She didn't really have anything to do,
but she had more to do with me.

[01:46:07 - 01:46:07] Speaker: Unknown
I don't think.

[01:46:07 - 01:46:10] Speaker: Unknown
I don't know, I don't know,

[01:46:11 - 01:46:14] Speaker: Unknown
but the bottom line
is that she put out a report,

[01:46:15 - 01:46:17] Speaker: Unknown
and it was county by county

[01:46:17 - 01:46:20] Speaker: Unknown
showing numbers that were switched.

[01:46:20 - 01:46:22] Speaker: Unknown
And those are in Trenton.

[01:46:22 - 01:46:24] Speaker: Unknown
And what do you mean when you say numbers
that were switched?

[01:46:24 - 01:46:26] Speaker: Unknown
What does that mean, like

[01:46:26 - 01:46:28] Speaker: Unknown
votes that were switched.

[01:46:28 - 01:46:29] Speaker: Unknown
How do you know that?

[01:46:29 - 01:46:32] Speaker: Unknown
How does she know that they were

[01:46:32 - 01:46:35] Speaker: Unknown
they found those coming from a

[01:46:35 - 01:46:39] Speaker: Unknown
different like an outside,

[01:46:39 - 01:46:41] Speaker: Unknown
like a different country.

[01:46:41 - 01:46:43] Speaker: Unknown
Is it the Germany thing or something?

[01:46:43 - 01:46:45] Speaker: Unknown
I it was like Venezuela.

[01:46:45 - 01:46:47] Speaker: Unknown
I thought it was Venezuela. Yeah.

[01:46:47 - 01:46:52] Speaker: Unknown
And and China,
there were a couple, a couple of,

[01:46:52 - 01:46:56] Speaker: Unknown
and this, this goes on the hypothesis
that like, as much as they tell you

[01:46:56 - 01:47:00] Speaker: Unknown
that like machines and networks
aren't connected to the internet, right.

[01:47:00 - 01:47:05] Speaker: Unknown
But see, there's something that goes in
and that's the thing.

[01:47:05 - 01:47:08] Speaker: Unknown
Nothing is when

[01:47:08 - 01:47:11] Speaker: Unknown
and that's part of the problem

[01:47:11 - 01:47:14] Speaker: Unknown
is I watch the court
and we're just going to do one, okay.

[01:47:14 - 01:47:15] Speaker: Unknown
Because they come flying.

[01:47:15 - 01:47:20] Speaker: Unknown
And I watched the vote court
come in from these polling locations.

[01:47:20 - 01:47:21] Speaker: Unknown
Okay. Now what's the vote card?

[01:47:21 - 01:47:23] Speaker: Unknown
I'm just asking these questions.

[01:47:23 - 01:47:25] Speaker: Unknown
Sometimes
people don't know what they said.

[01:47:25 - 01:47:30] Speaker: Unknown
So the scanner,
when you scan your ballot at the location,

[01:47:30 - 01:47:33] Speaker: Unknown
it tabulates all the votes in the scanner.

[01:47:34 - 01:47:34] Speaker: Unknown
Okay.

[01:47:34 - 01:47:39] Speaker: Unknown
And then there's a memory card
that's in that scanner.

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Okay.

[01:47:39 - 01:47:43] Speaker: Unknown
And they take that in that tabulator.

[01:47:43 - 01:47:43] Speaker: Unknown
Okay.

[01:47:43 - 01:47:47] Speaker: Unknown
It's a scanner slash tabulator tabulator.

[01:47:47 - 01:47:48] Speaker: Unknown
So like an SD card.

[01:47:48 - 01:47:50] Speaker: Unknown
Yes okay okay.

[01:47:50 - 01:47:51] Speaker: Unknown
Sort of it's like a little bigger.

[01:47:51 - 01:47:54] Speaker: Unknown
But pull it out

[01:47:54 - 01:47:55] Speaker: Unknown
and and

[01:47:55 - 01:48:00] Speaker: Unknown
when it comes to the bureau office
because all the judges bring them back

[01:48:00 - 01:48:03] Speaker: Unknown
that night, then it gets handed

[01:48:03 - 01:48:06] Speaker: Unknown
off to one of the computer guys.

[01:48:06 - 01:48:09] Speaker: Unknown
The computer guys know
now that that on that card,

[01:48:09 - 01:48:13] Speaker: Unknown
you know what precinct in Ward
okay, labeled on the outside.

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Okay.

[01:48:15 - 01:48:17] Speaker: Unknown
But it comes in

[01:48:17 - 01:48:21] Speaker: Unknown
and that goes into a special card reader.

[01:48:21 - 01:48:24] Speaker: Unknown
That computer that he is on

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does not connect to the internet.

[01:48:28 - 01:48:31] Speaker: Unknown
It has no capability
of connecting to the internet.

[01:48:31 - 01:48:34] Speaker: Unknown
Well, I mean, it sure has capability,
but it's turned off.

[01:48:34 - 01:48:36] Speaker: Unknown
You're not able to.

[01:48:36 - 01:48:38] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah, it like, you have it like

[01:48:38 - 01:48:41] Speaker: Unknown
there's a lot of times when they say
you're not supposed to do a thing.

[01:48:41 - 01:48:45] Speaker: Unknown
I know, but I did it for the past
four years, I've been saying I watch it.

[01:48:45 - 01:48:45] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah, okay.

[01:48:45 - 01:48:47] Speaker: Unknown
But I don't know for sure.

[01:48:47 - 01:48:49] Speaker: Unknown
Like, certain things.

[01:48:49 - 01:48:50] Speaker: Unknown
So I'm sitting there and.

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And I watch him do it,
and then he takes all of his results

[01:48:57 - 01:49:02] Speaker: Unknown
and he puts another jump drive
into that computer.

[01:49:02 - 01:49:07] Speaker: Unknown
And all of those results
come down onto that jump drive.

[01:49:07 - 01:49:10] Speaker: Unknown
He actually tosses
it across the room to the other I.T.

[01:49:10 - 01:49:15] Speaker: Unknown
guy, who then has the computer
that goes on to the internet

[01:49:15 - 01:49:20] Speaker: Unknown
and puts it on TV and puts it
on the internet for everybody to see.

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So tabulator,

[01:49:23 - 01:49:24] Speaker: Unknown
it could be a dog

[01:49:24 - 01:49:27] Speaker: Unknown
and pony show, I don't know.

[01:49:27 - 01:49:28] Speaker: Unknown
Okay. It could be stuff.

[01:49:28 - 01:49:32] Speaker: Unknown
I'm not even allowed to get close enough
to those computers that they let some

[01:49:32 - 01:49:35] Speaker: Unknown
outside agency get work on our computers,

[01:49:35 - 01:49:39] Speaker: Unknown
but I can't even get close enough to view
whether that is on the

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if that little thing in the corner

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has a internet or not,
I'm not allowed to come close to it.

[01:49:45 - 01:49:47] Speaker: Unknown
You know, they they who are the people

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who take these cards?

[01:49:50 - 01:49:53] Speaker: Unknown
Well, who gets the first card
and who gets the second card?

[01:49:53 - 01:49:56] Speaker: Unknown
IT personnel from the county

[01:49:57 - 01:50:02] Speaker: Unknown
that work for the county 365 days
a year, or just on Election Day?

[01:50:03 - 01:50:09] Speaker: Unknown
No, they they are I.T personnel that are
designated to the election Bureau,

[01:50:10 - 01:50:13] Speaker: Unknown
and they work
365 days a year with the Election Bureau.

[01:50:13 - 01:50:20] Speaker: Unknown
What it needs to be done
for all the other 363 days that aren't.

[01:50:20 - 01:50:24] Speaker: Unknown
Why, I hope you.

[01:50:24 - 01:50:28] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah, but, like, doesn't
that seem peculiar

[01:50:28 - 01:50:31] Speaker: Unknown
where it's like it used to be that, like,
you literally circle the oval in

[01:50:31 - 01:50:32] Speaker: Unknown
at the end of the day,

[01:50:32 - 01:50:35] Speaker: Unknown
at the end of the election day,
people counted them, I think.

[01:50:35 - 01:50:38] Speaker: Unknown
I think there was a paper trail
for everything.

[01:50:39 - 01:50:43] Speaker: Unknown
You know, but then there's like,
sure system access and give me your tally.

[01:50:43 - 01:50:45] Speaker: Unknown
But you're telling me that the sure system
sucks.

[01:50:45 - 01:50:46] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah, well, it doesn't really.

[01:50:46 - 01:50:49] Speaker: Unknown
That's what they tell you.

[01:50:49 - 01:50:51] Speaker: Unknown
Okay. This this. Your system's fine.

[01:50:51 - 01:50:53] Speaker: Unknown
There's no system side.
It's been working for years.

[01:50:53 - 01:50:56] Speaker: Unknown
It's going to continue to work.

[01:50:56 - 01:50:57] Speaker: Unknown
It's just sad.

[01:50:57 - 01:50:58] Speaker: Unknown
That's what they tell you.

[01:50:58 - 01:51:02] Speaker: Unknown
So that they had an excuse
for why they weren't scanning ballots

[01:51:02 - 01:51:06] Speaker: Unknown
into their jealous machine
and uploading them to your system.

[01:51:06 - 01:51:09] Speaker: Unknown
How many different

[01:51:09 - 01:51:10] Speaker: Unknown
election machine

[01:51:10 - 01:51:17] Speaker: Unknown
companies are in Luzerne County?

[01:51:17 - 01:51:17] Speaker: Unknown
Dominion's one.

[01:51:17 - 01:51:19] Speaker: Unknown
Obviously

[01:51:19 - 01:51:20] Speaker: Unknown
they were.

[01:51:20 - 01:51:22] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah, like it is.

[01:51:22 - 01:51:31] Speaker: Unknown
It was that.

[01:51:31 - 01:51:32] Speaker: Unknown
I'm sure that

[01:51:32 - 01:51:36] Speaker: Unknown
there's a there's a there's a documentary.

[01:51:36 - 01:51:36] Speaker: Unknown
Hold on.

[01:51:36 - 01:51:40] Speaker: Unknown
Let me find the name of this right.

[01:51:40 - 01:51:41] Speaker: Unknown
Was needed

[01:51:41 - 01:51:45] Speaker: Unknown
for all those machines,
so I was, I was, I was crazy

[01:51:45 - 01:51:50] Speaker: Unknown
for whole everything, you know,
it was crazy.

[01:51:50 - 01:51:54] Speaker: Unknown
So there's this documentary called
Kill Chain.

[01:51:54 - 01:51:56] Speaker: Unknown
Have you seen it? No.

[01:51:56 - 01:51:58] Speaker: Unknown
So Kill Chain came out in 2020.

[01:51:58 - 01:52:01] Speaker: Unknown
The cyber war on America's
elections. Right?

[01:52:01 - 01:52:04] Speaker: Unknown
It is. It's on HBO.

[01:52:04 - 01:52:09] Speaker: Unknown
I don't know if you have HBO streaming,
whatever it is. So.

[01:52:09 - 01:52:09] Speaker: Unknown
I don't want to.

[01:52:09 - 01:52:11] Speaker: Unknown
I don't want to. How you do that?

[01:52:11 - 01:52:14] Speaker: Unknown
But it goes through because at the time.

[01:52:14 - 01:52:17] Speaker: Unknown
So documentaries are not made
historically.

[01:52:17 - 01:52:19] Speaker: Unknown
They're not made that year.

[01:52:19 - 01:52:20] Speaker: Unknown
So this is a documentary

[01:52:20 - 01:52:25] Speaker: Unknown
that was a couple of years
in the making, because at the time,

[01:52:25 - 01:52:29] Speaker: Unknown
Democrats thought the elections were not

[01:52:29 - 01:52:30] Speaker: Unknown
safe and fair.

[01:52:30 - 01:52:31] Speaker: Unknown
I did hear that.

[01:52:31 - 01:52:35] Speaker: Unknown
And what they found
was all of these issues

[01:52:35 - 01:52:39] Speaker: Unknown
with all of these machines, and
no one can get their hands on a machine

[01:52:39 - 01:52:42] Speaker: Unknown
except
and this is what reminded me of it was

[01:52:42 - 01:52:45] Speaker: Unknown
you said you have a warehouse,
no machines.

[01:52:45 - 01:52:48] Speaker: Unknown
They went to a warehouse full of machines
and they weren't being used.

[01:52:49 - 01:52:50] Speaker: Unknown
And they found them on like, eBay.

[01:52:50 - 01:52:52] Speaker: Unknown
And they bought some.

[01:52:52 - 01:52:56] Speaker: Unknown
And then they brought it
to, like, this hacker convention

[01:52:56 - 01:52:59] Speaker: Unknown
and a guy that they have never met,

[01:52:59 - 01:53:03] Speaker: Unknown
hacked the system in, like, 90s.

[01:53:04 - 01:53:06] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah. With, like, his phone. Yeah.

[01:53:06 - 01:53:09] Speaker: Unknown
And the whole purpose of it is, like,
they tell you these things are connected

[01:53:09 - 01:53:11] Speaker: Unknown
to the internet's internet.

[01:53:11 - 01:53:16] Speaker: Unknown
There's the the the 5G card or whatever.

[01:53:16 - 01:53:18] Speaker: Unknown
Why this guy was put like this.

[01:53:18 - 01:53:23] Speaker: Unknown
There seems to and part of my thought
process when it came to,

[01:53:23 - 01:53:28] Speaker: Unknown
when it came to the,

[01:53:28 - 01:53:29] Speaker: Unknown
scanners.

[01:53:29 - 01:53:29] Speaker: Unknown
Okay.

[01:53:29 - 01:53:30] Speaker: Unknown
Scanner tabulators,

[01:53:30 - 01:53:33] Speaker: Unknown
because that's the only place
they could actually have that.

[01:53:33 - 01:53:37] Speaker: Unknown
And so I want to explain this to, like,
what people don't realize too

[01:53:37 - 01:53:41] Speaker: Unknown
is like, when these ballots get scanned,
there's an image taken of them.

[01:53:41 - 01:53:44] Speaker: Unknown
So every ballot that goes through there,
there is literally like,

[01:53:44 - 01:53:47] Speaker: Unknown
I don't know if it's a Jpeg
or a PNG or whatever,

[01:53:47 - 01:53:51] Speaker: Unknown
but there is an image of

[01:53:51 - 01:53:53] Speaker: Unknown
the ovals filled out, right?

[01:53:53 - 01:53:56] Speaker: Unknown
Just like, like a photocopy.

[01:53:56 - 01:53:58] Speaker: Unknown
Not with ours.

[01:53:58 - 01:54:00] Speaker: Unknown
They don't do the ballot images. No.

[01:54:00 - 01:54:01] Speaker: Unknown
So what happens?

[01:54:01 - 01:54:04] Speaker: Unknown
Holy fuck with me,

[01:54:04 - 01:54:05] Speaker: Unknown
because that's
part of the chain of custody thing.

[01:54:05 - 01:54:07] Speaker: Unknown
You can go back and verify.

[01:54:07 - 01:54:11] Speaker: Unknown
Was, there was we had

[01:54:11 - 01:54:14] Speaker: Unknown
you would walk in, you would check in.

[01:54:14 - 01:54:17] Speaker: Unknown
That's one computer. Okay. That was,

[01:54:17 - 01:54:20] Speaker: Unknown
give you,
you know, we used to have it. Yes.

[01:54:20 - 01:54:22] Speaker: Unknown
And ask. Okay.

[01:54:22 - 01:54:27] Speaker: Unknown
That was the one company, what it would do
is it would we would check in.

[01:54:27 - 01:54:33] Speaker: Unknown
Now it is.

[01:54:33 - 01:54:35] Speaker: Unknown
I don't care about the specificity
of who the company is.

[01:54:35 - 01:54:37] Speaker: Unknown
It really doesn't matter to company
that does it.

[01:54:37 - 01:54:40] Speaker: Unknown
But anyway, you would check in

[01:54:40 - 01:54:43] Speaker: Unknown
and then you would go over
to about a marketing device.

[01:54:43 - 01:54:45] Speaker: Unknown
It was like a big iPod. Okay.

[01:54:45 - 01:54:49] Speaker: Unknown
And you go up to the iPad
and it gives you all your options

[01:54:49 - 01:54:52] Speaker: Unknown
and you select
this is in the, in the, in the, in the.

[01:54:52 - 01:54:54] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[01:54:54 - 01:54:59] Speaker: Unknown
And then once you select it
and you say click submit okay.

[01:54:59 - 01:55:01] Speaker: Unknown
You need to go back and review
or whatever.

[01:55:01 - 01:55:06] Speaker: Unknown
Then down at the bottom

[01:55:06 - 01:55:10] Speaker: Unknown
it would print out.

[01:55:10 - 01:55:11] Speaker: Unknown
Your selections

[01:55:11 - 01:55:15] Speaker: Unknown
super tiny
but it would print out your selections.

[01:55:15 - 01:55:18] Speaker: Unknown
And then there was a UPC code
at the top okay.

[01:55:19 - 01:55:21] Speaker: Unknown
And once you got that

[01:55:21 - 01:55:24] Speaker: Unknown
then you would bring it
over to the scanner.

[01:55:25 - 01:55:26] Speaker: Unknown
What.

[01:55:26 - 01:55:28] Speaker: Unknown
Wait that's how you guys vote
in local in Luzerne County.

[01:55:28 - 01:55:31] Speaker: Unknown
This is how you vote.
Not anymore. But yeah.

[01:55:31 - 01:55:33] Speaker: Unknown
And then you would put that in there

[01:55:33 - 01:55:37] Speaker: Unknown
and it would tabulate all of your votes.

[01:55:37 - 01:55:38] Speaker: Unknown
What.

[01:55:38 - 01:55:40] Speaker: Unknown
Okay. Yeah.

[01:55:40 - 01:55:44] Speaker: Unknown
And how do you trust that UPC.

[01:55:44 - 01:55:46] Speaker: Unknown
That code that QR code.

[01:55:46 - 01:55:50] Speaker: Unknown
I mean, there was always a question
mark for me and was

[01:55:51 - 01:55:54] Speaker: Unknown
why would you why would
why would you even add that you have like

[01:55:54 - 01:55:58] Speaker: Unknown
a little printout of for sure,
but that doesn't matter.

[01:55:58 - 01:56:00] Speaker: Unknown
It doesn't matter if you change it.

[01:56:00 - 01:56:02] Speaker: Unknown
It's the terms of service for iTunes. Who?

[01:56:02 - 01:56:05] Speaker: Unknown
Nobody reads that. Who gives a shit.

[01:56:05 - 01:56:08] Speaker: Unknown
So for me, that was a big question.

[01:56:08 - 01:56:12] Speaker: Unknown
There were other questions that I had,
but I don't want to like.

[01:56:12 - 01:56:16] Speaker: Unknown
It's very hard to speculate because I, I,

[01:56:16 - 01:56:19] Speaker: Unknown
I, I hesitate because, I don't know,

[01:56:20 - 01:56:22] Speaker: Unknown
sometimes
the ins and outs of, of certain things.

[01:56:22 - 01:56:25] Speaker: Unknown
What was there some things that you were
absolutely sure you were going to find?

[01:56:25 - 01:56:28] Speaker: Unknown
And then and then it got explained to
you better and you're like, oh, okay.

[01:56:28 - 01:56:29] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah, yeah.

[01:56:29 - 01:56:31] Speaker: Unknown
So that's the other thing
I wanted to tell you.

[01:56:31 - 01:56:36] Speaker: Unknown
So I go into the warehouse,
the Dominion game,

[01:56:36 - 01:56:41] Speaker: Unknown
was there really nice guy and

[01:56:42 - 01:56:45] Speaker: Unknown
oh, right wing.

[01:56:45 - 01:56:48] Speaker: Unknown
And he took us down to you.

[01:56:49 - 01:56:50] Speaker: Unknown
You took us to you?

[01:56:50 - 01:56:53] Speaker: Unknown
This,
we were the new members of the board,

[01:56:53 - 01:56:58] Speaker: Unknown
but we wanted all wanted to be,
so we go, and he shows us

[01:56:58 - 01:57:02] Speaker: Unknown
tabulators, he shows us
how everything works, and then he brings

[01:57:02 - 01:57:07] Speaker: Unknown
us down to the basement of
the warehouse where there is,

[01:57:08 - 01:57:10] Speaker: Unknown
the actual tabulator later.

[01:57:10 - 01:57:11] Speaker: Unknown
Sorry.

[01:57:11 - 01:57:14] Speaker: Unknown
The other one was the voting machines

[01:57:14 - 01:57:18] Speaker: Unknown
marking devices at the ballot marking
device downstairs was tabulators.

[01:57:18 - 01:57:22] Speaker: Unknown
So you took us, and there was this big

[01:57:22 - 01:57:24] Speaker: Unknown
C of tabulators,

[01:57:24 - 01:57:26] Speaker: Unknown
and he says,

[01:57:26 - 01:57:28] Speaker: Unknown
and he shows us the tabulators.

[01:57:28 - 01:57:31] Speaker: Unknown
And I said,

[01:57:31 - 01:57:34] Speaker: Unknown
I walk over to one random tabulator

[01:57:34 - 01:57:37] Speaker: Unknown
and I say, can you open it?

[01:57:37 - 01:57:39] Speaker: Unknown
And he says, what do you mean?

[01:57:39 - 01:57:43] Speaker: Unknown
I said, can you open and show me?

[01:57:43 - 01:57:45] Speaker: Unknown
He says, there's no voter minutes.

[01:57:45 - 01:57:47] Speaker: Unknown
I said, showing goes.

[01:57:47 - 01:57:51] Speaker: Unknown
And he literally opens the machine

[01:57:51 - 01:57:54] Speaker: Unknown
and open this inner peace.

[01:57:54 - 01:57:57] Speaker: Unknown
And he says, that's
where it would go right there.

[01:57:58 - 01:58:01] Speaker: Unknown
And why is there a slot for one?

[01:58:01 - 01:58:02] Speaker: Unknown
He. And that's what I asked.

[01:58:02 - 01:58:06] Speaker: Unknown
And he said, because in remote areas,

[01:58:06 - 01:58:15] Speaker: Unknown
especially in Minnesota,
especially in Minnesota, it was Minnesota.

[01:58:15 - 01:58:15] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah.

[01:58:15 - 01:58:16] Speaker: Unknown
Either way, yeah.

[01:58:16 - 01:58:22] Speaker: Unknown
Some place that we like, like
really, really far

[01:58:22 - 01:58:25] Speaker: Unknown
in between their polling locations

[01:58:25 - 01:58:28] Speaker: Unknown
and their actual polling places.

[01:58:29 - 01:58:32] Speaker: Unknown
Okay. Like big counties, right.

[01:58:32 - 01:58:35] Speaker: Unknown
They did have to give it.

[01:58:35 - 01:58:38] Speaker: Unknown
There's no there's no.

[01:58:38 - 01:58:41] Speaker: Unknown
Do they operate on Wi-Fi?

[01:58:41 - 01:58:43] Speaker: Unknown
I don't know that
I, I don't know anything.

[01:58:43 - 01:58:44] Speaker: Unknown
Okay.

[01:58:44 - 01:58:47] Speaker: Unknown
I'm going to be
I might have to do a future podcast

[01:58:47 - 01:58:51] Speaker: Unknown
where we talk about where I get somebody
in here to talk about how that works.

[01:58:51 - 01:58:55] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah, because that's something like,
totally outside my realm.

[01:58:55 - 01:58:56] Speaker: Unknown
But I did ask that.

[01:58:56 - 01:59:01] Speaker: Unknown
And that's what he that's what he said to
he said, you have it.

[01:59:01 - 01:59:05] Speaker: Unknown
Why wouldn't you just have
a special machine for the rural places?

[01:59:05 - 01:59:08] Speaker: Unknown
You know, it's like if it's like if you're
a county that that holds elections

[01:59:08 - 01:59:12] Speaker: Unknown
and you go, okay, we need like 3 or 4,

[01:59:12 - 01:59:15] Speaker: Unknown
that would be the rural ones or maybe 20,
like whatever it is.

[01:59:15 - 01:59:16] Speaker: Unknown
Right? That way.

[01:59:16 - 01:59:20] Speaker: Unknown
Like you reduce your chances of criticism

[01:59:20 - 01:59:22] Speaker: Unknown
for people who are like, wait,
what's going on here?

[01:59:22 - 01:59:24] Speaker: Unknown
Like, like my phone constantly.

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You get stuff that I don't ask for,

[01:59:26 - 01:59:30] Speaker: Unknown
and it takes stuff from me
that I constantly don't ask for.

[01:59:30 - 01:59:33] Speaker: Unknown
So why would that, like,
why would you have all these machines,

[01:59:33 - 01:59:38] Speaker: Unknown
even if it's the most minimal of signal
that the access is there?

[01:59:39 - 01:59:42] Speaker: Unknown
I, I,
I would think like for anybody who has a

[01:59:42 - 01:59:47] Speaker: Unknown
like an election and election
integrity integrity conspiracy theorist

[01:59:47 - 01:59:51] Speaker: Unknown
because now that just means regular.

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Take away the thing

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that would make
you think that that's there.

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It's like, you know,

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you're not only is there no modem
like we've removed everything in there.

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This thing is just basically a dumb shit
that counts and spits out

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what the count is.

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Yeah, I don't know why they don't like,
there's there's no Ethernet hookup.

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There's nothing. That's what's coming.

[02:00:12 - 02:00:14] Speaker: Unknown
Ethernet? Oh, no.

[02:00:14 - 02:00:16] Speaker: Unknown
Just like a stopgap.

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That's this new machine.

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I was never there from the beginning.

[02:00:21 - 02:00:23] Speaker: Unknown
That was
actually the former county manager

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that made the decision to purchase him,
even though the council did purchase

[02:00:27 - 02:00:30] Speaker: Unknown
and he purchased it himself,
he is like he was like,

[02:00:30 - 02:00:33] Speaker: Unknown
I guess
I feel like I could do whatever I wanted.

[02:00:33 - 02:00:37] Speaker: Unknown
So maybe you just went
and purchased all the Dominion machines,

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signed the contract
without county council, and everything.

[02:00:40 - 02:00:41] Speaker: Unknown
How can you do that?

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What I heard, I don't
I don't know much about him,

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so I don't know the whole details
or anything, but.

[02:00:47 - 02:00:51] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah, I heard he's the one that purchased,

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and do you think,

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we've been going, like, two hours now?

[02:00:57 - 02:00:58] Speaker: Unknown
I'm trying to.

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I'm trying to keep I know, right?

[02:01:00 - 02:01:03] Speaker: Unknown
I try to keep it two hours now
because people are giving me shit.

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They're like, it's so long.

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So do you do you think that, like, look,

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I think I think you're like,
a hard core American, right?

[02:01:13 - 02:01:14] Speaker: Unknown
I don't think,

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I don't think I don't like, but you're
just a person that's trying to like.

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You just want honesty.

[02:01:19 - 02:01:24] Speaker: Unknown
You just want truth, and you expect it
from people where it should be.

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And, you know, the thing about, like,
the elections and the election integrity.

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It's like, if you don't want people
to question elections,

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don't put all those things in there
that make people question elections.

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You know, if it's just like, circle
the oval, like nobody,

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nobody really question.

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I mean, there are ways to screw around

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with the old machines
that get to pull the lever.

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But that was real hard to do.

[02:01:44 - 02:01:46] Speaker: Unknown
That was a lot more difficult.

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So a lot of people would mess with
the votes like after they were counted.

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Do you know what happened
to that after though,

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after

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the machines or it's the lever
machines here or machines.

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Do you know what happened to the votes.

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Okay. So and I heard this okay.

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They had people going around
to each and every,

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each and every, there were tables
and each one tabulated a different vote.

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And so people would be going around
and saying one vote

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for this little bit, one vote for this
one, them for that.

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And they would go around
the courthouse rotunda

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and they would sit there
and tabulate for votes tally.

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So there was way more, ability to screw up

[02:02:29 - 02:02:31] Speaker: Unknown
because it was just words
that were said out loud.

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It was just like, yeah, it was
it was like, what?

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I understand it was really bad.

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There was there was a county.

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There was a county commissioner,

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in the early 70s who they actually,

[02:02:49 - 02:02:50] Speaker: Unknown
somebody went into the

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election, the, the ballot room
when they returned the ballots

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and was and fell through the ceiling.

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It was like it was like a big news story.

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Yeah.

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I'm supposed to have them on
to talk about it,

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but, like, literally like in the 70s,
like they found people who were messing

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with the ballots and like, insofar
as, like,

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the guy fell
through the ceiling into the ballot room.

[02:03:12 - 02:03:15] Speaker: Unknown
Oh my gosh. Yeah.

[02:03:15 - 02:03:18] Speaker: Unknown
So like that, like people
screw with elections all the time.

[02:03:18 - 02:03:18] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah. Right.

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And and it's like,
you got to find a way to make it

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as honest and truthful as possible.

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Everybody,
everybody who goes out there and sneaks,

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you know,
does the ballot harvesting stuff like,

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you know, the people

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go to like the nursing homes
and the and the public housing places

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and, you know, they
they basically tell people how to vote.

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Yeah.

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And then they take those ballots
and they just bring them back

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and they feel like they were,

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you know, the director of a nursing home
literally administering

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what she admit during my other job,
I'm an emergency medical care.

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So I go to all the nursing homes.

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I was at three last week
and I deliver medications for them.

[02:04:01 - 02:04:05] Speaker: Unknown
So this is like these activities
directors,

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they're the ones
in charge of these things.

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And she goes I said so
how do you deal with it.

[02:04:09 - 02:04:10] Speaker: Unknown
Like they don't know.

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They didn't know
that I was on the Board of elections.

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And and this,

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this wasn't,
you know, even in those in the county.

[02:04:20 - 02:04:24] Speaker: Unknown
But I have been to all of the memos
there and some,

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you know, I'm like how do you deal

[02:04:26 - 02:04:31] Speaker: Unknown
with like those who get the ballots
and you know

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just sort of just.

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That's crazy.

[02:04:37 - 02:04:39] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah. Like we all know what's happening.

[02:04:39 - 02:04:41] Speaker: Unknown
There's no control over that.

[02:04:41 - 02:04:44] Speaker: Unknown
Like what control do I have?

[02:04:44 - 02:04:47] Speaker: Unknown
I think it's elder abuse
and I think it's fraud.

[02:04:47 - 02:04:48] Speaker: Unknown
Absolutely.

[02:04:48 - 02:04:54] Speaker: Unknown
They want to vote for Nixon.

[02:04:54 - 02:04:56] Speaker: Unknown
Is Richard still on the ballot?

[02:04:56 - 02:04:59] Speaker: Unknown
He's like, yeah,
I think I think they do that.

[02:04:59 - 02:05:02] Speaker: Unknown
I think they're coming down for Reagan.

[02:05:02 - 02:05:03] Speaker: Unknown
I think they do those things.

[02:05:03 - 02:05:05] Speaker: Unknown
And I also think that they do.

[02:05:05 - 02:05:06] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah.

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And I think that, like, there's a lot of

[02:05:11 - 02:05:11] Speaker: Unknown
there's a lot of

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places like, certain homeless shelters

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and stuff that have like 80 or 90 people
registered to vote there.

[02:05:19 - 02:05:20] Speaker: Unknown
Oh, yeah.

[02:05:20 - 02:05:22] Speaker: Unknown
And that is a problem
that people should be looking into, like,

[02:05:22 - 02:05:25] Speaker: Unknown
I think like and I tell people
all the time, like they call me like a,

[02:05:25 - 02:05:29] Speaker: Unknown
an election denier or whatever,
but I'm like, I don't care

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if the Democrats get 99.2% of the vote,
as long as it's legit.

[02:05:35 - 02:05:38] Speaker: Unknown
UPS in Wyoming has like,

[02:05:38 - 02:05:41] Speaker: Unknown
I think 30 people registered to vote

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at the UPS facility.

[02:05:44 - 02:05:46] Speaker: Unknown
There's there's a place in town
that has that has at least 90

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some people registered to vote there
in Scranton

[02:05:49 - 02:05:51] Speaker: Unknown
and I and I,
and there's no way no one lives there.

[02:05:51 - 02:05:52] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah.

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This happens all over.

[02:05:54 - 02:05:55] Speaker: Unknown
This happens all over the country.

[02:05:55 - 02:05:57] Speaker: Unknown
It's not like an isolated thing to
to here.

[02:05:57 - 02:06:00] Speaker: Unknown
So if it's happening
here, it's happened in other places too.

[02:06:00 - 02:06:03] Speaker: Unknown
And a lot of the times when you see stuff
that's happening in other places,

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you have to make the presumption
that, like,

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it's entirely possible
that it's happening here.

[02:06:08 - 02:06:12] Speaker: Unknown
And, you know, one of the things
that like, bothers me about like, like you

[02:06:12 - 02:06:14] Speaker: Unknown
said, with the with the nursing homes

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and stuff like that, it's like,
I didn't know this, but many moons ago,

[02:06:18 - 02:06:20] Speaker: Unknown
like Democrats and Republicans

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would pick like a person,
they would each go into the nursing homes

[02:06:23 - 02:06:26] Speaker: Unknown
and, and,
you know, it's usually through like

[02:06:26 - 02:06:29] Speaker: Unknown
the manager like you said, the activities
director that like lets everybody in.

[02:06:29 - 02:06:32] Speaker: Unknown
But now they won't let Republicans in.

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It's all these those are the only people
going in there getting the ballot.

[02:06:36 - 02:06:39] Speaker: Unknown
Hi, Ethel. Circle here. Sign here.

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I'm going to return this for you.

[02:06:41 - 02:06:43] Speaker: Unknown
Oh, thanks, Richard.

[02:06:43 - 02:06:44] Speaker: Unknown
And you think you're a sweet guy?

[02:06:44 - 02:06:47] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah. You know,
I think that's what's happening.

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And I think that they're doing it
all over the country.

[02:06:49 - 02:06:50] Speaker: Unknown
And I think that they're doing it here,

[02:06:50 - 02:06:53] Speaker: Unknown
and I think that they're doing it in
Luzerne County.

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And, you know, Jamie Walsh was

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is a great example of like for votes.

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Yeah. Like, holy shit.

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And everybody looks at that and it's like,
well that's that's how democracy works.

[02:07:04 - 02:07:06] Speaker: Unknown
And it's like really.

[02:07:06 - 02:07:06] Speaker: Unknown
Right.

[02:07:06 - 02:07:10] Speaker: Unknown
Like should it have been that close
the closest election and like

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that's that's a statistical anomaly.

[02:07:12 - 02:07:13] Speaker: Unknown
Something's weird there.

[02:07:13 - 02:07:17] Speaker: Unknown
And then they don't certify it for months.

[02:07:17 - 02:07:18] Speaker: Unknown
That's weird.

[02:07:18 - 02:07:21] Speaker: Unknown
We couldn't certify it

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because of the impending court cases.

[02:07:24 - 02:07:27] Speaker: Unknown
So. Because yeah,
but if if those court cases didn't happen,

[02:07:27 - 02:07:29] Speaker: Unknown
the wrong person would have won
the election.

[02:07:29 - 02:07:30] Speaker: Unknown
Right?

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That's not democracy.

[02:07:32 - 02:07:34] Speaker: Unknown
So I know

[02:07:34 - 02:07:38] Speaker: Unknown
like we have we have we didn't
have the money to go to bat and that.

[02:07:38 - 02:07:40] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah.
But now they're like suing them and shit.

[02:07:40 - 02:07:44] Speaker: Unknown
Like they're saying,
they're saying he did.

[02:07:44 - 02:07:45] Speaker: Unknown
He should have never did this.

[02:07:45 - 02:07:51] Speaker: Unknown
It's like but some idiot deciding to run
to find somebody to run against him.

[02:07:51 - 02:07:54] Speaker: Unknown
So I mean, look, I like like

[02:07:55 - 02:07:58] Speaker: Unknown
obviously I have a relationship with Jamie
and I care about him very much.

[02:07:58 - 02:08:02] Speaker: Unknown
But I also think that, like anyone has
the opportunity to run against anybody.

[02:08:02 - 02:08:04] Speaker: Unknown
I, I agree with that.

[02:08:04 - 02:08:09] Speaker: Unknown
I just think that now whether their
intentions are honorable, I don't know.

[02:08:09 - 02:08:10] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah.

[02:08:10 - 02:08:12] Speaker: Unknown
And and that's, that's the problem.

[02:08:12 - 02:08:15] Speaker: Unknown
That's the problem. It's like,

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you know,

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you you you peed in my area.

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So I'm going to run against you.

[02:08:24 - 02:08:26] Speaker: Unknown
The only the only the only reason
you should be a vengeful

[02:08:26 - 02:08:28] Speaker: Unknown
candidate is because your government
has screwed you.

[02:08:28 - 02:08:31] Speaker: Unknown
Not a specific candidate. Right?

[02:08:31 - 02:08:32] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah. You're just you just being a dick.

[02:08:32 - 02:08:34] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah, exactly.

[02:08:34 - 02:08:38] Speaker: Unknown
So that that's
that's my my issue with that.

[02:08:38 - 02:08:43] Speaker: Unknown
But I don't want to get into we did our
why and and I don't want to get into

[02:08:43 - 02:08:47] Speaker: Unknown
it doesn't like I think it'll be fine.

[02:08:47 - 02:08:49] Speaker: Unknown
You know. No question. No.

[02:08:49 - 02:08:50] Speaker: Unknown
But it lets you.

[02:08:50 - 02:08:51] Speaker: Unknown
But it lets you know who

[02:08:51 - 02:08:53] Speaker: Unknown
the who's who's the people who support

[02:08:53 - 02:08:55] Speaker: Unknown
whoever's running
against Jamie are the people who are like,

[02:08:55 - 02:08:57] Speaker: Unknown
you should all keep an eye
on those people.

[02:08:57 - 02:09:00] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah, because they don't
have your best interests at heart.

[02:09:00 - 02:09:02] Speaker: Unknown
Definitely. No.

[02:09:02 - 02:09:03] Speaker: Unknown
And we all know who it is.

[02:09:03 - 02:09:06] Speaker: Unknown
So it's it's it is what it is.

[02:09:06 - 02:09:08] Speaker: Unknown
I mean, like,
we all know this shit's going on.

[02:09:08 - 02:09:12] Speaker: Unknown
Like, we all know there's there's fuckery,
like, can we, like, look and like

[02:09:12 - 02:09:14] Speaker: Unknown
it's not just the Democrats

[02:09:14 - 02:09:18] Speaker: Unknown
like Republicans do it to,
you know, like Republicans like it.

[02:09:18 - 02:09:20] Speaker: Unknown
If Republicans I'm sure in, in

[02:09:20 - 02:09:25] Speaker: Unknown
in the red, red places
this shit's going on,

[02:09:25 - 02:09:28] Speaker: Unknown
I'm sure there's people ballot harvesting
and doing all this crazy shit.

[02:09:29 - 02:09:31] Speaker: Unknown
So it has nothing to do with like,
oh, the D's do it, or the R's do it.

[02:09:31 - 02:09:33] Speaker: Unknown
Like, let's
just make sure that nobody can do it.

[02:09:33 - 02:09:36] Speaker: Unknown
Let's make sure that no political party
can have some sort of advantage

[02:09:36 - 02:09:37] Speaker: Unknown
over another one.

[02:09:37 - 02:09:40] Speaker: Unknown
Honestly, that's reason I didn't ask.

[02:09:40 - 02:09:46] Speaker: Unknown
I didn't ask into any situation
here in Luzerne County

[02:09:46 - 02:09:48] Speaker: Unknown
because you wanted to see
if it was happening other places,

[02:09:48 - 02:09:49] Speaker: Unknown
knowing you all,

[02:09:49 - 02:09:54] Speaker: Unknown
because it's not because it's an R,
but if it happened in Luzerne County,

[02:09:54 - 02:09:56] Speaker: Unknown
I'd have to take action and

[02:09:56 - 02:10:00] Speaker: Unknown
it would scare me again, because I just do
what you guys have to do.

[02:10:00 - 02:10:03] Speaker: Unknown
I mean, you got through it, I did, but

[02:10:03 - 02:10:06] Speaker: Unknown
but I but I like when people attack you.

[02:10:06 - 02:10:07] Speaker: Unknown
It's all their own fear.

[02:10:07 - 02:10:10] Speaker: Unknown
I think I'm stronger for it.

[02:10:10 - 02:10:13] Speaker: Unknown
I know I've gotten stronger since
people have been like, you're a Nazi.

[02:10:13 - 02:10:15] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah. I'm like, really? All right.

[02:10:15 - 02:10:19] Speaker: Unknown
They call me bloody well,
I'm sure because.

[02:10:19 - 02:10:21] Speaker: Unknown
Because. And they made it racial.

[02:10:21 - 02:10:22] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah they did.

[02:10:22 - 02:10:26] Speaker: Unknown
And the last thing they told me
was that I was I mean, they implied it.

[02:10:26 - 02:10:27] Speaker: Unknown
They didn't actually come out

[02:10:27 - 02:10:32] Speaker: Unknown
and say that I was bribing the sheriff's
deputies with bagels and coffee.

[02:10:32 - 02:10:35] Speaker: Unknown
But, I mean, that is corruption.

[02:10:35 - 02:10:38] Speaker: Unknown
But it when they did
and then they sent this

[02:10:38 - 02:10:43] Speaker: Unknown
like one email about it
and saying that I was calling

[02:10:44 - 02:10:47] Speaker: Unknown
the sheriff's deputy,
honey and sweetie and stuff like that.

[02:10:47 - 02:10:51] Speaker: Unknown
And I was using two improper
terms of endearment.

[02:10:51 - 02:10:55] Speaker: Unknown
And then I tried to bribe them with bagels
and coffee, and I was just like,

[02:10:55 - 02:10:57] Speaker: Unknown
dude, leave me alone.

[02:10:57 - 02:11:01] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah, but it's it's it's
they were trying to scare me away.

[02:11:01 - 02:11:02] Speaker: Unknown
It's a, it's a.

[02:11:02 - 02:11:05] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah, but it's a salacious
character assassination.

[02:11:06 - 02:11:08] Speaker: Unknown
Oh, yeah. That's like purposefully.

[02:11:08 - 02:11:09] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah.

[02:11:09 - 02:11:13] Speaker: Unknown
Only to get me

[02:11:13 - 02:11:14] Speaker: Unknown
to not apply.

[02:11:14 - 02:11:15] Speaker: Unknown
That's what it was.

[02:11:15 - 02:11:15] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah.

[02:11:15 - 02:11:16] Speaker: Unknown
But it but then,

[02:11:16 - 02:11:20] Speaker: Unknown
but then you have the administration
acting like, like, the National Enquirer.

[02:11:20 - 02:11:22] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah. Like that's not your place.

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No, I know, and somebody better find out
whether or not

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those words were spoken before you claim
those words were spoken.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And I think that's fucked.

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Yeah, well, she lied to begin with.

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She automatically lied to begin with.

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The sheriff's deputy.

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She stated that some woman walked in

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with a vanilla envelope full of ballads.

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The problem is,

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I couldn't find her on any video.

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I couldn't find her on any Dropbox

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who claim that somebody walked in
with a manila envelope full of ballots.

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Sheriff's deputy. But.

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But in what context?

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Like how we where
what are we saying here about,

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that somebody walked in
with a manila envelope

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full of ballots and then proceeded
to put them into the machine,

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and that she warned them

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that they were she warned, when was this?

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What is. Yeah.

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How do we how do we
how do we jump around to this

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just so I know what we're talking about?

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Just the false sense of false accusations.

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Yeah,
but so what did that have to do with you?

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The manila envelope.

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So I brought attention to it
because I wanted to investigate it.

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We were reviewing Dropbox footage,
and then all of a sudden,

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I came in one day
during the to the occasion,

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we were actually doing writing names,
and I bring back, I bring bagels

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in, and it was during this whole thing
and next thing in this report on me

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saying that I was trying to bribe her
with bagels

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and coffee and called her sweetie, honey
and whatever else.

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They didn't.

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They always didn't.

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They always say,
flattery gets you nowhere. I know, right?

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But I mean, like, I'm like, I'm like,
okay, I just.

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And so I sent back an email
and my email said, just leave me alone.

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Yeah.

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Leave me alone.

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You don't have to worry about me.

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Just stop it already, okay?

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And finally, everything stopped.

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I think they try to take people
like you and push them out.

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Oh, definitely. No question.

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Guess what they want.

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I just we would. We?

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Are you admitting defeat in that?

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Sort of.

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Yeah. Sort of.

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I hate to say that.

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But my life, it will be better

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without their nonsense.

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I, I don't want to say

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it completely lost my sight,

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but I feel like I should choose
to fight a different way.

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And it's not with the election board.

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I went in there.

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I fought the good fight for no money,

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working, losing hours at work,

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working.

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Literally hundreds upon hundreds of hours

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for during each election cycle.

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For nothing but abuse, criticism, attacks.

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Just literal.

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It just a mess.

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And and, you know, I just felt like,

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what am I doing?

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Am I really making
that much of a difference?

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And so my goal now

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is to fight things different way,

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to, to try to change the law

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so that there are,

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protections for board members.

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And I'll go around the state.

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I don't mean for me to do that.

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Because,

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from the bureaucracy,
there needs to be some sort of separation

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from county to board,
and they need to not be able to touch us.

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And the state needs
to grant us certain powers,

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and they need to be enforceable
at the county level.

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And that's my new fight

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is to that's kind of my

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screw you to

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the county,

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is basically me changing the rules.

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So if you can't touch the board.

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So you have to abide by what they said,

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and you have to bring
things in front of them.

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And I know some of it will be

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rhetoric

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and they'll be

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they'll just basically say,
oh, well, I don't care.

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You know, we'll just keep doing what it
what we're doing.

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Our administrative code, civil suits
the suit.

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I don't know if he really knew
how stupid he sounded when he said that.

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I'm not going to say the name, but,
like, three.

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Really. But this is.
But this is what they do. Yeah.

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They say the things with confidence
and, you know,

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hope and the people that don't know
any better just go along with it.

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Yeah, yeah,
I knew better, but I didn't know what.

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And now I know how to fight it.

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I just have to fight it
from a different aspect.

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Well, I think you got brass balls.

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And I think that, like, I know, I know,

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you're incredibly religious and spiritual,
and I think that sometimes

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I love Jesus.

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Okay. I'm with you.

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I like
I think that any organized thing is,

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is is corrupt
and and tries to mess with you.

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And, you know, usually it's
most of the times it's run by by people

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with ulterior motives to be a demigod.

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And I don't like that.

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But I think, I think
I think that because of, of your faith

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and because of your desire
to always find truth, which I think

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is, is love, you love people
and you want them to do the right thing.

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And, you know,
I think I think hopefully they

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whatever you get out of this is,
is somebody going to just changing it?

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No one's ever going to pat on the back.

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No one's gonna ever say good job,
you know.

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But hopefully what you wrote
and what you sent over,

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you know, hopefully it helps them

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change things for the better
and make it more honest and transparent.

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Anytime there's any times there's gaps in,

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you know, circle in the ballot, count it.

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There's a problem.

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And, I, I've been incredibly concerned
about the drop boxes.

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I've been incredibly concerned
about the, the, the ballot machines.

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I think, I think the, the least

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amount of damage you could do
is paper ballots.

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And that is probably the most honest
one of it all.

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But they've created an industry.

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We need to have these machines
that we pay for.

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We need to have these services
that we pay for.

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We need to have these, these, these

[02:18:27 - 02:18:29] Speaker: Unknown
what would you call them?

[02:18:29 - 02:18:33] Speaker: Unknown
Top down guidelines that don't allow you
to run a local election.

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And it is just open for deception.

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And it's open for people who are like,
we'll find the gray areas to do the

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the gray area things,
or sometimes the outright

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evil things.

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You know, because I look at the world
as like truth and deception.

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And if you're in the deception line,
you're in the evil one.

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Yeah. You know, and and I just

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I hope that cooler heads prevail in this.

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Dr.. 25% against 25%.

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That ends up
making everyone think it's a 100%.

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And it goes away.

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And I think it's about,
you know, we can disagree on policy.

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We can disagree on all this stuff.

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But you can't you can't say

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that both sides are the devil
and it doesn't get anywhere.

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And it opens up.

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It opens up the opportunities
for people, Democrat and Republican,

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to interfere with the more opportunities
you have to interfere with elections,

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the more election interference
that will be.

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Anything

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else.

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You have fun.

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Not bad right now.

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What what what what?

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So you've already said
we're going to do next.

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If anybody wants to, like,
get in contact with you or anything, is is

[02:19:41 - 02:19:44] Speaker: Unknown
I don't want you to give away your phone
number or anything, but is there any like,

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social media or
anything that people can connect you on?

[02:19:47 - 02:19:52] Speaker: Unknown
You know, like we've got one, five, one
and one that I use all the time.

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Well, let's not give away the private one.

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So, you know what?

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If you want to get a hold of me,
the best way to get off of me is my email.

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And y us as a c a

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the number 7@gmail.com.

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I will be happy.

[02:20:09 - 02:20:14] Speaker: Unknown
I have two copies of this confidential
and redacted,

[02:20:14 - 02:20:18] Speaker: Unknown
so if you'd like a copy of my report,
I can certainly send that to you.

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If you have questions, concerns, anything.

[02:20:21 - 02:20:24] Speaker: Unknown
Everybody's always been able
to get a hold of me.

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It doesn't matter.

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It really has my phone number anyway.

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So, not that I would give it out, but,
you know, freely.

[02:20:32 - 02:20:34] Speaker: Unknown
But, you know, do not give out your phone
number right now.

[02:20:34 - 02:20:37] Speaker: Unknown
Okay, good. But,

[02:20:37 - 02:20:40] Speaker: Unknown
I like, listen, 30 to 50 phone calls
before an election.

[02:20:40 - 02:20:42] Speaker: Unknown
I'm sure a lot of people have them.

[02:20:42 - 02:20:42] Speaker: Unknown
Yeah.

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So, but if you do have concerns
or anything,

[02:20:47 - 02:20:50] Speaker: Unknown
obviously I'm on the board anymore,
but if you think there's something

[02:20:50 - 02:20:56] Speaker: Unknown
that I might do for getting that,
you think I could change?

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Ideas

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for working with legislatures
and stuff like that.

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So I'd like to hear from you.

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If you're the best, you're good person.

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Thank you. Thank you for.

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Thank you for fighting all the shit
that you fought and so.

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All right, everybody, have a good week.