Episode 86: Chelsea Taylor: Social Work, Music, and Cutting Through Polarization

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[00:00:14 - We gonna come fly.] Speaker: 00;00;11;28
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[00:00:20 - I will fly. Oh.] Speaker: 00;00;16;02
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[00:00:25 - I say I know that because I'm,] Speaker: 00;00;23;23
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[00:00:29 - you know I record take terrible
takes all the time.] Speaker: 00;00;25;17
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[00:00:30 - No. You're good.] Speaker: 00;00;29;10
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[00:00:33 - You've always been good
I've always been so fucking.] Speaker: 00;00;30;05
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[00:00:34 - It's between you and Ed.] Speaker: 00;00;33;00
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[00:00:36 - I've always been like, man, there.] Speaker: 00;00;34;05
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[00:00:38 - It's a reference of like,
captain into Neil.] Speaker: 00;00;36;27
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[00:00:41 - But Ed knows what he's. Doing
and Ed knows what he's. Doing.] Speaker: 00;00;38;28
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[00:00:43 - Yeah, but I don't think I don't think
I don't think] Speaker: 00;00;41;23
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[00:00:44 - you should discredit yourself in that way.] Speaker: 00;00;43;08
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[00:00:45 - I always thought that you were] Speaker: 00;00;44;24
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[00:00:50 - you were a phenomenal musician
and an all around wonderful person to me.] Speaker: 00;00;45;26
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[00:00:53 - Okay.] Speaker: 00;00;51;22
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[00:00:56 - So you hit me up,] Speaker: 00;00;53;04
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[00:00:57 - Last year.] Speaker: 00;00;56;06
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[00:00:58 - Yeah. And we.] Speaker: 00;00;57;10
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[00:01:00 - Why do we never get to make that happen?] Speaker: 00;00;58;04
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[00:01:03 - Who knows? Like the universe, maybe. Yeah.] Speaker: 00;01;00;23
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[00:01:04 - I'll blame it on the universe.] Speaker: 00;01;03;11
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[00:01:07 - It wasn't the right timing until today.] Speaker: 00;01;05;11
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[00:01:09 - Right now. I'm totally a believer of that.] Speaker: 00;01;07;10
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[00:01:10 - There's no other way
that it could be that right?] Speaker: 00;01;09;05
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[00:01:12 - Yeah. Yeah.] Speaker: 00;01;10;27
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[00:01:14 - So quick.] Speaker: 00;01;12;26
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[00:01:17 - We've known each other
maybe 15 years or more.] Speaker: 00;01;14;17
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[00:01:18 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;01;17;06
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[00:01:22 - And I don't know too much about, like,
what you do.] Speaker: 00;01;18;15
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[00:01:24 - Professionally.] Speaker: 00;01;23;15
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[00:01:28 - So can you give me some background
on, like, what you do professionally?] Speaker: 00;01;24;21
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[00:01:33 - I went to school
to get my masters in social work,] Speaker: 00;01;28;18
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[00:01:38 - and then I wanted to work for a think tank
or, like, just do research.] Speaker: 00;01;33;02
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[00:01:40 - That's all that I wanted to do, okay?] Speaker: 00;01;38;12
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[00:01:43 - My whole life, everybody was like,
Chelsea, you should be a therapist.] Speaker: 00;01;40;04
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[00:01:45 - And I was like, I don't know.] Speaker: 00;01;43;02
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[00:01:49 - I've done therapy for my whole life,
and it's never been really been helpful.] Speaker: 00;01;45;09
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[00:01:52 - And I don't know, but] Speaker: 00;01;49;29
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[00:01:56 - there's not a lot of jobs in this area
if you want to do] Speaker: 00;01;52;17
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[00:01:59 - research and policy work.] Speaker: 00;01;56;29
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[00:02:03 - So, I did my my first year] Speaker: 00;01;59;20
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[00:02:09 - internship at the,
basically like the food stamp] Speaker: 00;02;04;22
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[00:02:13 - office and like, work programs
and like the social programs.] Speaker: 00;02;09;17
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[00:02:15 - Okay. And that was pretty cool.] Speaker: 00;02;13;19
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[00:02:19 - And then my second year was with,
Senator Blake, and that was cool.] Speaker: 00;02;15;01
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[00:02:20 - He records music here. He's a good. Thing.] Speaker: 00;02;19;07
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[00:02:22 - I love Senator Blake.
Yeah, he's good dude.] Speaker: 00;02;20;18
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[00:02:24 - Like, And.] Speaker: 00;02;22;24
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[00:02:25 - Yeah. So that was nice.] Speaker: 00;02;24;26
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[00:02:28 - But, yeah, I wasn't going to get a job
like that in the area.] Speaker: 00;02;25;25
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[00:02:32 - So I started to work at the free clinic] Speaker: 00;02;28;25
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[00:02:36 - in Wilkes-Barre
out of grad school, and I loved it.] Speaker: 00;02;33;02
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[00:02:39 - And, it paid no money.] Speaker: 00;02;37;20
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[00:02:41 - No. What happened to the free?
What was that free clinic about?] Speaker: 00;02;39;13
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[00:02:44 - It is the only. It's a free clinic.] Speaker: 00;02;41;29
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[00:02:46 - It's like a beautiful clinic.] Speaker: 00;02;44;17
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[00:02:49 - You have to work
or live in Luzerne County.] Speaker: 00;02;46;23
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[00:02:52 - And it's for people who are] Speaker: 00;02;49;10
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[00:02:55 - who are in that gap between,] Speaker: 00;02;52;14
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[00:03:00 - like Medicaid and like they can't afford
their own insurance.] Speaker: 00;02;55;23
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[00:03:02 - Right? So, yeah.] Speaker: 00;03;00;12
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[00:03:04 - And you have to, like,
hit a certain income level.] Speaker: 00;03;02;18
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[00:03:08 - So you have to still be poor,
but you make too much money for Medicaid,] Speaker: 00;03;04;12
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[00:03:11 - but you can't afford ACA
really on your own.] Speaker: 00;03;08;22
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[00:03:14 - You're crazy.
I like misaligned incentives. Yeah.] Speaker: 00;03;11;06
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[00:03:17 - So that's so they had a full, Yeah.] Speaker: 00;03;14;02
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[00:03:18 - Everything.] Speaker: 00;03;17;18
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[00:03:21 - I did like their social services
and mental health there.] Speaker: 00;03;18;08
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[00:03:25 - And they have a full dentist,
like, amazing.] Speaker: 00;03;21;16
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[00:03:28 - Like they'll make dentures for people
and it's all volunteer based.] Speaker: 00;03;25;13
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[00:03:31 - So, like, even I was there was like
five people that were employed there.] Speaker: 00;03;28;21
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[00:03:32 - And then the rest were all like doctors.] Speaker: 00;03;31;13
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[00:03:35 - I would volunteer their time there. Right.] Speaker: 00;03;32;29
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[00:03:37 - And it was wonderful. But I made no money.] Speaker: 00;03;35;03
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[00:03:38 - You know what?] Speaker: 00;03;37;07
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[00:03:41 - Usually you usually don't make money
when you try to do the right thing.] Speaker: 00;03;38;04
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[00:03:43 - I know, actually, I have guilt about it.] Speaker: 00;03;41;01
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[00:03:44 - I have guilt for leaving there.] Speaker: 00;03;43;03
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[00:03:47 - But, I started doing
like counseling on the side,] Speaker: 00;03;44;15
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[00:03:51 - and then I really do love it.] Speaker: 00;03;48;20
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[00:03:53 - Yeah, I do love it. And I found,] Speaker: 00;03;51;06
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[00:03:56 - the type of counseling that] Speaker: 00;03;54;09
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[00:04:00 - I see results with, and that makes sense
from my own lived experience.] Speaker: 00;03;56;10
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[00:04:02 - And then I see it with people.] Speaker: 00;04;00;08
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[00:04:03 - It actually working.] Speaker: 00;04;02;01
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[00:04:06 - I don't believe that a degree makes
you good at a thing.] Speaker: 00;04;03;13
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[00:04:09 - It does not. So like the.] Speaker: 00;04;06;23
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[00:04:13 - So how like what degrees
did you get versus like what schooling] Speaker: 00;04;09;24
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[00:04:16 - did you get versus
like your practical experience?] Speaker: 00;04;13;08
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[00:04:19 - Because I think it's so much more powerful
to be practically experienced.] Speaker: 00;04;16;08
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[00:04:22 - 1,000,000%. I agree with you.] Speaker: 00;04;19;25
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[00:04:27 - I'm like in shock, to be honest,
how easy it is.] Speaker: 00;04;22;21
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[00:04:30 - I'm not trying to lose
like my job, actually.] Speaker: 00;04;27;22
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[00:04:35 - Like the practice I work for loves me like
I love the practice that I'm with.] Speaker: 00;04;30;03
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[00:04:37 - But I think you're honest, and I
and I think it's important.] Speaker: 00;04;35;16
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[00:04:42 - I was, I it was like audacious to me
that I was like, I go to school] Speaker: 00;04;37;24
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[00:04:45 - for two years and I like, study this wide] Speaker: 00;04;42;20
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[00:04:50 - array of topics as a social worker. And] Speaker: 00;04;45;22
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[00:04:54 - then I take a test that I studied for] Speaker: 00;04;51;15
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[00:04:58 - and paid $200 for, and then that means
that I can be a therapist.] Speaker: 00;04;54;11
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[00:04:59 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;04;58;23
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[00:05:01 - And that was kind of audacious to me.] Speaker: 00;04;59;19
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[00:05:04 - I was like,
what is this like? That's kind of crazy.] Speaker: 00;05;01;12
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[00:05:08 - So I did get great experience
at, the clinic,] Speaker: 00;05;04;06
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[00:05:10 - which is typically
what a lot of social workers] Speaker: 00;05;08;26
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[00:05:13 - do, is that they start out
in like community mental health.] Speaker: 00;05;10;20
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[00:05:14 - Right.] Speaker: 00;05;13;12
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[00:05:17 - Then get some skills,
get some supervision, whatever.] Speaker: 00;05;14;01
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[00:05:21 - And can I tell you my philosophy
on most therapists today?] Speaker: 00;05;17;12
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[00:05:22 - Yeah. Tell me.] Speaker: 00;05;21;00
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[00:05:24 - So I'm 45.] Speaker: 00;05;22;02
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[00:05:25 - I don't know how old you are.] Speaker: 00;05;24;25
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[00:05:27 - So I graduated high school in 98.] Speaker: 00;05;25;22
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[00:05:30 - And when I was graduating high school,
that was kind of] Speaker: 00;05;27;25
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[00:05:33 - like the big push,] Speaker: 00;05;30;10
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[00:05:35 - for, like, Prozac.] Speaker: 00;05;33;14
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[00:05:38 - Yes. And mental health and therapists.] Speaker: 00;05;35;01
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[00:05:41 - And I remember being, like, 14 years old
going, like, my first therapist,] Speaker: 00;05;38;07
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[00:05:45 - who was actually probably the best therapist I ever had in my life, was that guy.] Speaker: 00;05;41;06
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[00:05:50 - And there was a lot of people] Speaker: 00;05;47;24
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[00:05:53 - who I was going to school with who,] Speaker: 00;05;50;08
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[00:05:56 - let's say that they had now that I
understand the world totally differently.] Speaker: 00;05;53;20
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[00:05:57 - But I'm going to try to simplify it,] Speaker: 00;05;56;15
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[00:06:00 - is that they had probably
some unresolved trauma,] Speaker: 00;05;57;24
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[00:06:03 - or maybe their families
had some unresolved trauma,] Speaker: 00;06;01;02
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[00:06:06 - and I didn't grow up like I was middle
class.] Speaker: 00;06;03;02
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[00:06:09 - And a lot of them were like
a lot of them were going to go] Speaker: 00;06;07;02
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[00:06:13 - to higher education for like B teachers
education.] Speaker: 00;06;09;29
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[00:06:17 - They want to get their teachers degree
or they wanted] Speaker: 00;06;15;08
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[00:06:20 - to get into some sort of mental health
therapy psychiatrist psychologist thing.] Speaker: 00;06;17;00
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[00:06:23 - And I remember thinking to myself,] Speaker: 00;06;20;25
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[00:06:28 - I think you're going to school
to figure out your shit.] Speaker: 00;06;25;02
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[00:06:32 - And there was a lot of them
where I thought that] Speaker: 00;06;29;06
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[00:06:34 - and the years go by and a lot of them now] Speaker: 00;06;32;08
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[00:06:38 - are therapists or in the field
of some sort of mental health.] Speaker: 00;06;34;21
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[00:06:39 - And what I've realized is, is] Speaker: 00;06;38;02
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[00:06:42 - that they did not figure
out what was wrong with them.] Speaker: 00;06;39;12
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[00:06:45 - And now they've] Speaker: 00;06;43;21
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[00:06:48 - been unleashed into the world,
to give advice,] Speaker: 00;06;45;08
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[00:06:54 - that they themselves have not taken, which
I think harms people in the long term.] Speaker: 00;06;49;14
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[00:06:57 - And it creates mass more human suffering.] Speaker: 00;06;54;13
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[00:07:00 - Is that a safe assessment?] Speaker: 00;06;58;10
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[00:07:03 - I would, at least from my point of view,
I would well.] Speaker: 00;07;00;24
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[00:07:07 - I would agree with you
that there's a ton of therapists] Speaker: 00;07;03;17
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[00:07:10 - that are bad therapists
and that there's a ton of that.] Speaker: 00;07;07;16
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[00:07:14 - People do things ultimately, like
everybody does everything for a reason.] Speaker: 00;07;10;14
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[00:07:18 - Like everybody like is self-serving
for whatever kind of reason.] Speaker: 00;07;14;17
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[00:07:23 - So, yeah,
somebody who goes into be a psychologist] Speaker: 00;07;18;09
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[00:07:25 - because they want
to figure out their own shit.] Speaker: 00;07;23;05
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[00:07:27 - I don't think they consciously thought
that.] Speaker: 00;07;25;19
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[00:07:31 - No, I don't I mean, like, I don't think
that was like that was their North Star.] Speaker: 00;07;27;10
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[00:07:32 - There's a joke like that.] Speaker: 00;07;31;02
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[00:07:34 - Okay. Oh. Therapy jokes.] Speaker: 00;07;32;27
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[00:07:34 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;07;34;00
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[00:07:38 - Well, there's all like different types
of, like, you know, what type of therapist] Speaker: 00;07;34;06
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[00:07:40 - somebody is and like,
what they went to grad school for] Speaker: 00;07;38;01
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[00:07:43 - and how much money they paid
to go to a grad school, you know?] Speaker: 00;07;40;17
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[00:07:43 - Right.] Speaker: 00;07;43;01
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[00:07:44 - Or whatever.] Speaker: 00;07;43;29
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[00:07:47 - Like what kind of school you come from.] Speaker: 00;07;44;22
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[00:07:51 - And social workers, we do have this joke
that like psychologists,] Speaker: 00;07;47;00
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[00:07:55 - like people who go to school
for psychology, that they do it] Speaker: 00;07;51;18
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[00:07:58 - because they saw it
and it looked cool on television.] Speaker: 00;07;55;00
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[00:08:02 - Sure, social workers
go into social work because they] Speaker: 00;07;58;05
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[00:08:04 - had really] Speaker: 00;08;03;15
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[00:08:08 - fucked up their lives and like,
yeah, made a lot of bad decisions] Speaker: 00;08;04;24
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[00:08:11 - or like how bad things happen
or have a real true trauma history.] Speaker: 00;08;08;05
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[00:08:14 - And then social workers are seemingly,] Speaker: 00;08;11;24
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[00:08:17 - different breed of therapists, I think.] Speaker: 00;08;14;22
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[00:08:20 - I think that they're, they're more if we] Speaker: 00;08;17;06
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[00:08:21 - the thing that popped in my head] Speaker: 00;08;21;01
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[00:08:25 - was some sort of military thing
where it was like, okay, like the, the,] Speaker: 00;08;21;29
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[00:08:29 - the therapists were like
the ones who went to West Point] Speaker: 00;08;26;02
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[00:08:31 - and became generals,] Speaker: 00;08;29;15
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[00:08:34 - and the social workers are
the ones who were like on the battlefield,] Speaker: 00;08;31;07
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[00:08:38 - seeing what was and experiencing
what was really going on.] Speaker: 00;08;35;10
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[00:08:42 - And, and I and I don't think
that they get paid attention to enough.] Speaker: 00;08;39;05
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[00:08:43 - Yeah, I agree and social.] Speaker: 00;08;42;14
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[00:08:46 - Because there's no like elitist you know.] Speaker: 00;08;43;21
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[00:08:48 - Yeah, 100%. And I agree with you. Like,] Speaker: 00;08;46;09
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[00:08:50 - even like I said, like I was] Speaker: 00;08;49;18
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[00:08:54 - surprised how easy it was
for me to be a therapist, you know, like.] Speaker: 00;08;50;22
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[00:08:55 - This is how easy I can get.] Speaker: 00;08;54;18
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[00:08:58 - Are you joking? Like,] Speaker: 00;08;55;24
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[00:08:59 - who says that?] Speaker: 00;08;59;02
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[00:09:04 - I, I used to like, I have made
jokes, like, the first five years] Speaker: 00;08;59;25
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[00:09:07 - of being a therapist, being like,
I'm somebody's therapist.] Speaker: 00;09;04;05
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[00:09:10 - Like, how am I somebody's therapist?] Speaker: 00;09;07;23
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[00:09:14 - Yeah, I was,
but luckily I had done my own work.] Speaker: 00;09;10;02
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[00:09:17 - Like the time that I went to grad
school was really transformative for me] Speaker: 00;09;14;04
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[00:09:22 - because I got to just use my brain,
which I really love to use my brain,] Speaker: 00;09;17;29
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[00:09:26 - learn, have my worldview,
like ripped open, while also seriously] Speaker: 00;09;22;10
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[00:09:30 - taking care of my body and my brain
for the first time in my life.] Speaker: 00;09;26;18
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[00:09:32 - When did you go to grad school?] Speaker: 00;09;30;27
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[00:09:35 - 2015. So this is only like ten years ago.] Speaker: 00;09;32;17
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[00:09:36 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;09;36;20
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[00:09:38 - 2015, 2017.] Speaker: 00;09;36;28
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[00:09:41 - So you're saying that you were
you were the for the first time] Speaker: 00;09;38;28
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[00:09:45 - in your life,
you started to understand the connection.] Speaker: 00;09;41;22
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[00:09:49 - Well I started to see things, I started
to meditate, I started to do yoga first.] Speaker: 00;09;45;23
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[00:09:51 - That's
one of the hardest things I've ever done.] Speaker: 00;09;49;21
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[00:09:54 - And then I started to meditate.
So yoga led me to meditation.] Speaker: 00;09;51;09
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[00:09:55 - And then meditation is the thing] Speaker: 00;09;54;02
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[00:09:59 - that has changed my life
the most out of everything I've ever done] Speaker: 00;09;55;22
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[00:10:04 - jails, institutions, therapy,
inpatient, rehab.] Speaker: 00;10;00;01
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[00:10:07 - Medication these are all things you've.] Speaker: 00;10;05;01
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[00:10:08 - Experienced,
all of these things I've experienced.] Speaker: 00;10;07;04
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[00:10:10 - No way. I didn't know that.] Speaker: 00;10;08;24
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[00:10:10 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;10;10;12
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[00:10:16 - So okay, out of all of that meditation,
learning how to really take charge] Speaker: 00;10;10;22
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[00:10:22 - of my brain in this consciousness,
I have this awareness that I can direct.] Speaker: 00;10;16;28
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[00:10:24 - And it's a skill. It's,
you know, it's a practice.] Speaker: 00;10;22;11
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[00:10:27 - You have to practice. You have to give
yourself time to do it. But,] Speaker: 00;10;24;29
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[00:10:30 - that really
changed my life in profound ways.] Speaker: 00;10;28;13
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[00:10:34 - And I was like,
oh, this like, yeah, this works.] Speaker: 00;10;30;28
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[00:10:37 - And I think that this is accessible
to people.] Speaker: 00;10;34;23
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[00:10:38 - It's free.] Speaker: 00;10;37;17
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[00:10:41 - It's free. Yeah.] Speaker: 00;10;38;17
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[00:10:44 - I mean, I have a lot
I like to call myself a socialist worker] Speaker: 00;10;41;09
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[00:10:46 - because I do think
that therapy should be free.] Speaker: 00;10;44;07
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[00:10:51 - I do believe in, social programs
being accessible to people, I think.] Speaker: 00;10;46;16
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[00:10:55 - And we can get into it, and I don't.] Speaker: 00;10;52;12
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[00:10:56 - I wouldn't call myself a socialist.] Speaker: 00;10;55;20
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[00:10:58 - Honestly, but so.] Speaker: 00;10;56;29
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[00:11:01 - So you mentioned socialism,] Speaker: 00;10;58;06
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[00:11:04 - and then people are immediately
like Stalin.] Speaker: 00;11;01;17
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[00:11:09 - And, you know, honestly, structurally,
I mean, that's] Speaker: 00;11;04;26
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[00:11:11 - how we get fire departments.] Speaker: 00;11;09;26
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[00:11:14 - That's how we get ambulances from 9%.] Speaker: 00;11;11;28
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[00:11:17 - There's, you know, it's
and it's not to say it just goes to show] Speaker: 00;11;14;07
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[00:11:21 - that, like the one size fits
all thing is not a real thing now.] Speaker: 00;11;17;24
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[00:11:24 - And, you know,
I look, I'm a firm believer in] Speaker: 00;11;21;16
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[00:11:28 - I got
really big into like, the America shit.] Speaker: 00;11;26;05
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[00:11:31 - And I started reading like,
why did we choose capitalism?] Speaker: 00;11;28;25
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[00:11:33 - Why did we choose, like, all this stuff?] Speaker: 00;11;31;12
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[00:11:36 - And one of the people I read,
I forget who it was, they said that] Speaker: 00;11;33;07
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[00:11:39 - capitalism was the most equitable.] Speaker: 00;11;36;10
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[00:11:41 - Out of all the forms,
because it gives everybody] Speaker: 00;11;39;05
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[00:11:45 - the opportunity, even though we all know
that there's terrible people up top.] Speaker: 00;11;41;05
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[00:11:47 - Right for sure.
And we'll take advantage for sure.] Speaker: 00;11;45;11
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[00:11:50 - But for the common person it was the most,] Speaker: 00;11;47;14
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[00:11:53 - it was the, it was the only way] Speaker: 00;11;52;08
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[00:11:58 - to if you're self responsible
and you kind of manifest it,] Speaker: 00;11;53;23
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[00:12:02 - you could potentially not just be
some sort of serf for the rest of your.] Speaker: 00;11;58;23
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[00:12:04 - Life, right? Yeah, right.] Speaker: 00;12;02;28
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[00:12:08 - You can kind of like help your help
your your lineage maybe.] Speaker: 00;12;04;16
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[00:12:09 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;12;08;19
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[00:12:13 - And back in the day, if
you're of a certain demographic of person.] Speaker: 00;12;09;06
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[00:12:17 - Yeah I think.] Speaker: 00;12;14;26
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[00:12:17 - But I get it.] Speaker: 00;12;17;03
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[00:12:21 - They, they, they and I also believe
you're talking about like racism.] Speaker: 00;12;17;28
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[00:12:24 - About having like a slave class.] Speaker: 00;12;21;28
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[00:12:25 - See, I looked into that too.] Speaker: 00;12;24;04
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[00:12:28 - And like, we look, I don't
none of this is just a conversation.] Speaker: 00;12;25;06
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[00:12:29 - There's nothing to get like anybody.] Speaker: 00;12;28;04
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[00:12:32 - So there was a lot of things like,
I didn't know.] Speaker: 00;12;29;29
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[00:12:34 - I'm a lover.] Speaker: 00;12;32;18
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[00:12:38 - And, you know, the thing about,
like, slavery was like, it was always.] Speaker: 00;12;34;03
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[00:12:39 - It always existed.] Speaker: 00;12;38;23
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[00:12:43 - The word slavery comes from Slav, which is] Speaker: 00;12;39;22
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[00:12:47 - it's it's just terrifying to me] Speaker: 00;12;44;28
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[00:12:50 - that there's more slavery on the planet
right now than there ever has been.] Speaker: 00;12;47;04
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[00:12:54 - Yeah, it seems like and it seems like
we're so focused on division] Speaker: 00;12;50;18
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[00:12:55 - that we don't go.] Speaker: 00;12;54;24
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[00:12:56 - We need to stop.] Speaker: 00;12;55;29
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[00:12:57 - We need to start] Speaker: 00;12;56;19
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[00:13:00 - really talking to each other more
so that we don't subjugate other people.] Speaker: 00;12;57;18
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[00:13:02 - That's what I'm talking about. Yeah.] Speaker: 00;13;00;26
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[00:13:04 - So the sense of the past.] Speaker: 00;13;02;23
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[00:13:05 - So that's what I mean.] Speaker: 00;13;04;16
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[00:13:07 - Like I believe in
like looking at the context of things too.] Speaker: 00;13;05;03
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[00:13:10 - Like, sure, I can, I can throw out. Okay.] Speaker: 00;13;07;28
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[00:13:14 - Well I could see how capitalism
would be equitable] Speaker: 00;13;10;19
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[00:13:17 - for white men, like starting a country.] Speaker: 00;13;14;05
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[00:13:20 - Is it oh, so here's another thing.] Speaker: 00;13;19;09
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[00:13:21 - Like, I didn't know. Right?] Speaker: 00;13;20;19
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[00:13:24 - So we think America started in 1776,] Speaker: 00;13;21;27
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[00:13:25 - but then, like,] Speaker: 00;13;24;28
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[00:13:27 - if you look at the history of America,
you're like,] Speaker: 00;13;25;18
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[00:13:30 - all right, they signed the Declaration
of Independence in July for 1776.] Speaker: 00;13;27;02
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[00:13:33 - But George Washington
wasn't president for like 12 more years.] Speaker: 00;13;30;03
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[00:13:36 - So they had like this Continental Congress
thing.] Speaker: 00;13;33;02
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[00:13:38 - There was it wasn't all white people.] Speaker: 00;13;36;10
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[00:13:40 - And I never knew that.] Speaker: 00;13;38;27
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[00:13:42 - In the 1700s. Yes.] Speaker: 00;13;40;04
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[00:13:47 - From like 1776 to like 18 or 17,
like 80 or 1790] Speaker: 00;13;42;13
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[00:13:50 - something before George Washington
became the president, they had like this] Speaker: 00;13;47;05
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[00:13:54 - not finalized structured government.] Speaker: 00;13;51;13
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[00:13:57 - And there was representation
from basically everybody.] Speaker: 00;13;54;03
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[00:13:59 - Like there was black
people involved in that.] Speaker: 00;13;57;21
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[00:14:02 - Well, which I didn't know I didn't know
that till a couple of years ago.] Speaker: 00;13;59;17
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[00:14:06 - And then the other thing,
like I looked into that was really crazy,] Speaker: 00;14;03;06
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[00:14:09 - is that the first legal slave owner] Speaker: 00;14;06;11
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[00:14:13 - in the United States of America
was a black man owning a white man?] Speaker: 00;14;09;13
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[00:14:16 - Well, I mean, it's capitalism.] Speaker: 00;14;13;22
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[00:14:17 - No, I think you know what it was.] Speaker: 00;14;16;00
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[00:14:18 - It was like like,] Speaker: 00;14;17;06
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[00:14:21 - I don't you want I think] Speaker: 00;14;19;27
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[00:14:25 - subjugation of people in any way
is evil 100%.] Speaker: 00;14;21;20
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[00:14:26 - I don't care who you are.] Speaker: 00;14;25;13
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[00:14:27 - If it's an indentured servitude,] Speaker: 00;14;26;04
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[00:14:31 - if it's debt slavery,
if it's literal slavery, sex slavery.] Speaker: 00;14;27;21
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[00:14:34 - Everybody who engages in that,
I think should.] Speaker: 00;14;32;00
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[00:14:36 - Maybe I shouldn't say this, but like] Speaker: 00;14;34;22
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[00:14:39 - the gallows or or whatever,
because they're not good people.] Speaker: 00;14;36;18
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[00:14:43 - You know, they're evil people.] Speaker: 00;14;40;00
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[00:14:45 - And there's a
there's a, there's a generational cycle.] Speaker: 00;14;43;11
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[00:14:49 - I don't want to deviate off of the
psychology stuff in the human condition.] Speaker: 00;14;45;22
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[00:14:54 - There is a generational problem
of unresolved trauma.] Speaker: 00;14;50;16
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[00:14:57 - Yeah. In our country,] Speaker: 00;14;55;13
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[00:15:00 - And I don't think people know
what that really means] Speaker: 00;14;57;19
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[00:15:02 - to, like, intergenerational trauma. Yeah.] Speaker: 00;15;00;11
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[00:15:05 - And trauma, the word trauma in general.] Speaker: 00;15;02;24
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[00:15:09 - I don't think people like, really
have a good definition.] Speaker: 00;15;05;20
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[00:15:09 - Can I?] Speaker: 00;15;09;17
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[00:15:12 - I'm using this lately.] Speaker: 00;15;10;28
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[00:15:14 - I've been using this
for like the last five years.] Speaker: 00;15;12;07
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[00:15:17 - And I don't mean to cut you off.
I'm sorry.] Speaker: 00;15;14;18
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[00:15:17 - There was this.] Speaker: 00;15;17;05
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[00:15:22 - I was listening to this doctor
in, like, in, like, 2020,] Speaker: 00;15;17;19
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[00:15:26 - and she's British
and she works for the NHS,] Speaker: 00;15;22;13
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[00:15:27 - which is National Health Service,
which is the British thing.] Speaker: 00;15;26;03
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[00:15:32 - And she said she was a therapist
and she goes, I can't, I'm not effective.] Speaker: 00;15;27;29
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[00:15:33 - I'm not helping people.] Speaker: 00;15;32;16
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[00:15:35 - So she went into into the private sector.] Speaker: 00;15;33;24
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[00:15:39 - And the reason I was listening to her is
because she started to use psychedelics,] Speaker: 00;15;35;26
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[00:15:41 - in the private sector.] Speaker: 00;15;40;00
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[00:15:44 - And when she described trauma, she goes,
you know, trauma is not like] Speaker: 00;15;41;18
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[00:15:48 - the plane went down
and you were on it or the fire happened.] Speaker: 00;15;45;17
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[00:15:52 - She goes trauma like the the,
the first moment of your life,] Speaker: 00;15;48;21
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[00:15:56 - you're exploding out of a person
that is traumatic in and of itself.] Speaker: 00;15;52;06
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[00:15:57 - She goes,] Speaker: 00;15;56;16
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[00:15:59 - when your mother goes to the grocery store
for the first time,] Speaker: 00;15;57;03
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[00:16:01 - the baby does
not know what a grocery store is.] Speaker: 00;15;59;14
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[00:16:04 - They think it's abandonment.
That's a trauma.] Speaker: 00;16;01;09
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[00:16:07 - Your dad says something innocuous
when you're nine that you're] Speaker: 00;16;04;07
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[00:16:10 - still thinking about when you're 40,
and it really didn't mean anything.] Speaker: 00;16;07;16
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[00:16:14 - Those are the traumas
that make us make our decision.] Speaker: 00;16;11;04
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[00:16:18 - That's how she described it as like, did
I learn from this or does this define me?] Speaker: 00;16;14;03
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[00:16:21 - And that's that's
how I kind of understood it.] Speaker: 00;16;18;28
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[00:16:22 - Am I close?] Speaker: 00;16;21;17
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[00:16:23 - I like that definition. Yeah.] Speaker: 00;16;22;13
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[00:16:27 - The definition I normally use of trauma
is anything that happens in your life] Speaker: 00;16;23;27
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[00:16:32 - that you couldn't ever understand
what it was going to be like.] Speaker: 00;16;27;24
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[00:16:34 - When it happens,
it disrupts your nervous system.] Speaker: 00;16;32;01
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[00:16:35 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;16;34;26
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[00:16:38 - And then you're on a in a brand new world
afterwards.] Speaker: 00;16;35;05
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[00:16:38 - Well, she said that] Speaker: 00;16;38;04
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[00:16:41 - every time you think about the trauma,
it's basically like reliving it] Speaker: 00;16;38;22
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[00:16:45 - like all the chemicals you're react.] Speaker: 00;16;42;00
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[00:16:45 - Well, you're] Speaker: 00;16;45;01
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[00:16:47 - in a sense.] Speaker: 00;16;46;22
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[00:16:48 - Yes. Yeah.] Speaker: 00;16;47;15
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[00:16:52 - Because we're operating then out of this
sympathetic part of our nervous system.] Speaker: 00;16;48;12
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[00:16:52 - Right.] Speaker: 00;16;52;18
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[00:16:56 - We're having this limbic
hijacking of our brain.] Speaker: 00;16;52;29
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[00:17:00 - We're not using our prefrontal cortex
this big hunker in the front of our brain] Speaker: 00;16;56;16
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[00:17:02 - that, like, helps us make decisions.] Speaker: 00;17;00;14
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[00:17:02 - All the.] Speaker: 00;17;02;02
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[00:17:03 - Lobotomies on.] Speaker: 00;17;02;16
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[00:17:06 - Is this something you keep going?
I'm sorry.] Speaker: 00;17;03;14
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[00:17:07 - And it's it's.] Speaker: 00;17;06;07
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[00:17:10 - I mean, and then so then we live our life
just in like this reactive state.] Speaker: 00;17;07;03
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[00:17:14 - And like, if we grow up with parents
that are reactive] Speaker: 00;17;10;15
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[00:17:17 - because they had parents
that were reactive.] Speaker: 00;17;14;13
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[00:17:20 - Totally. Then like,
that's intergenerational trauma.] Speaker: 00;17;17;10
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[00:17:22 - And it comes in all different types
of forms.] Speaker: 00;17;20;03
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[00:17:26 - You know, I think about it all the time,
like like black people who,] Speaker: 00;17;22;03
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[00:17:32 - you know, three generations ago
couldn't read, you know,] Speaker: 00;17;26;27
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[00:17:35 - like, yeah, who had grandparents
who couldn't read and, you know, whatever.] Speaker: 00;17;32;00
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[00:17:38 - And how that turns into
intergenerational trauma.] Speaker: 00;17;35;26
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[00:17:39 - Where we don't realize
two is a lot of the times] Speaker: 00;17;38;12
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[00:17:43 - there's three generations
who are interacting with each other.] Speaker: 00;17;39;26
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[00:17:43 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;17;43;14
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[00:17:48 - Imparting sure, all their own
little psychological things on everybody.] Speaker: 00;17;43;26
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[00:17:51 - And then epigenetics,
you know much about epigenetic.] Speaker: 00;17;48;09
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[00:17:51 - No, I. Don't.] Speaker: 00;17;51;01
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[00:17:54 - I think genetics is crazy shit.] Speaker: 00;17;51;22
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[00:17:55 - Like every like all of this stuff] Speaker: 00;17;54;08
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[00:17:59 - I get so passionate about it
is it's just so fucking crazy.] Speaker: 00;17;55;24
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[00:18:03 - Like the study that's always cited
is that with,] Speaker: 00;18;00;06
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[00:18:06 - cherry blossom mouse study.] Speaker: 00;18;03;25
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[00:18:12 - So basically, the scientists gave
whenever there would be the smell] Speaker: 00;18;06;13
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[00:18:16 - of cherry blossoms on these test subjects
of these mice, they would shock the mice.] Speaker: 00;18;12;06
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[00:18:21 - And so, okay,
eventually the mice were conditioned] Speaker: 00;18;17;14
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[00:18:25 - to have a stress response
to the smell of cherry blossoms.] Speaker: 00;18;21;16
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[00:18:27 - After,] Speaker: 00;18;26;27
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[00:18:30 - after like babies, like down the line.] Speaker: 00;18;27;11
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[00:18:31 - Right. Well, it's.] Speaker: 00;18;30;22
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[00:18:36 - Like four generations later,
the mice that are born from those mice,] Speaker: 00;18;31;28
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[00:18:37 - four generations later] Speaker: 00;18;36;17
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[00:18:41 - still have a stress reaction
to the smell of cherry blossoms.] Speaker: 00;18;37;20
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[00:18:43 - Like, that's crazy.] Speaker: 00;18;42;10
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[00:18:46 - And even like, I can get like,
you know. I.] Speaker: 00;18;43;04
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[00:18:49 - My friends
make fun of me all the time about like,] Speaker: 00;18;47;08
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[00:18:51 - how pumped I can get about this stuff.
But it's so crazy.] Speaker: 00;18;49;03
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[00:18:55 - Like you existed in your mom
her entire life.] Speaker: 00;18;51;12
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[00:18:57 - Like, yeah, she was born.] Speaker: 00;18;55;17
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[00:19:01 - You were an egg in her,
and then you were an egg in your mom,] Speaker: 00;18;57;12
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[00:19:05 - in your grandmother for seven months.] Speaker: 00;19;01;19
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[00:19:06 - And so you experienced] Speaker: 00;19;05;13
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[00:19:09 - your grandmother's life for seven months,
and then you experience] Speaker: 00;19;06;23
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[00:19:12 - all of your mom's life
until you were born. Yes.] Speaker: 00;19;09;01
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[00:19:14 - That's crazy.] Speaker: 00;19;12;25
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[00:19:17 - Do you think that there's something
there, like a memory?] Speaker: 00;19;14;13
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[00:19:19 - Well, I mean, it does,
like there's studies coming out now about,] Speaker: 00;19;17;01
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[00:19:24 - like, encoding of the DNA and like,
what does that do to a person?] Speaker: 00;19;19;27
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[00:19:29 - Like if your mom is constantly, you know,
in these stressful situations, yeah.] Speaker: 00;19;24;09
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[00:19:33 - A kid is more likely to be born with ADHD.] Speaker: 00;19;29;22
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[00:19:36 - Like a kid is more likely to be born with,] Speaker: 00;19;33;15
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[00:19:37 - these stress] Speaker: 00;19;37;00
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[00:19:41 - reactions, the inability
to be able to use this prefrontal cortex,] Speaker: 00;19;37;23
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[00:19:43 - which has which is where we do
executive functioning.] Speaker: 00;19;41;07
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[00:19:44 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;19;43;27
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[00:19:47 - Which is like what ADHD has problems with.] Speaker: 00;19;44;23
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[00:19:50 - People with ADHD
don't have great executive functioning.] Speaker: 00;19;47;29
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[00:19:54 - I'm going to push back on the ADHD thing
a little bit because because when I] Speaker: 00;19;51;28
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[00:19:58 - was in school, that's when I first started
and that was A.D.D.. Yes.] Speaker: 00;19;54;27
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[00:20:00 - And then they added hyperactivity. Yes.] Speaker: 00;19;58;23
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[00:20:02 - And it was always confusing to me
where I was like,] Speaker: 00;20;00;21
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[00:20:04 - but they can play video games
for like 12 hours. Yes.] Speaker: 00;20;02;14
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[00:20:07 - And be totally focused. Yes.] Speaker: 00;20;04;27
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[00:20:10 - So I think that like] Speaker: 00;20;07;23
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[00:20:14 - the diagnosis of that in another country
might be something.] Speaker: 00;20;10;08
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[00:20:19 - I'm else I'm of the world of therapists
that with the next DSM like the.] Speaker: 00;20;14;18
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[00:20:20 - DSM six. Yeah.] Speaker: 00;20;19;07
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[00:20:25 - Whenever that comes out
whatever people decide] Speaker: 00;20;20;29
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[00:20:28 - to write that and whatever kind of.] Speaker: 00;20;25;10
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[00:20:30 - Just like the Bible. Background.] Speaker: 00;20;29;04
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[00:20:31 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;20;30;27
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[00:20:34 - They come with to change the things
in there.] Speaker: 00;20;31;09
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[00:20:39 - I don't think that ADHD is going to
even be in the DSM.] Speaker: 00;20;34;24
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[00:20:41 - I got to I did a post.] Speaker: 00;20;40;04
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[00:20:45 - About] Speaker: 00;20;44;12
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[00:20:48 - the Tylenol thing right when Kennedy said
acetaminophen, right.] Speaker: 00;20;45;02
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[00:20:52 - And and it was just like
it wasn't meant to be] Speaker: 00;20;48;23
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[00:20:54 - divisive.] Speaker: 00;20;53;27
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[00:20:56 - It was like when I do
when I do stuff like that, it's] Speaker: 00;20;54;16
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[00:21:00 - more to think for yourself, hey,
this is a, this is a something to ponder.] Speaker: 00;20;56;17
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[00:21:01 - I could be right.] Speaker: 00;21;00;18
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[00:21:03 - It could be wrong.
Well you should look into it. Right.] Speaker: 00;21;01;03
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[00:21:06 - And there was this guy
that reached out to me] Speaker: 00;21;03;22
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[00:21:08 - and I never talked to him before
in my life.] Speaker: 00;21;06;28
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[00:21:14 - And I really don't take Facebook Messenger
phone calls because I think he called.] Speaker: 00;21;08;27
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[00:21:16 - You called me. Right?] Speaker: 00;21;14;02
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[00:21:19 - And he starts telling me about like,] Speaker: 00;21;16;24
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[00:21:23 - like ten years ago,
he was one of the people] Speaker: 00;21;21;07
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[00:21:27 - who would be the diagnosis of children
with autism.] Speaker: 00;21;23;12
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[00:21:28 - Like that was his job.] Speaker: 00;21;27;04
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[00:21:31 - And he took he said, you know,] Speaker: 00;21;29;06
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[00:21:34 - one of the weird things that happened
is, like in the DSM four,] Speaker: 00;21;31;26
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[00:21:40 - we were we I was I was diagnosing people
with specific conditions.] Speaker: 00;21;35;20
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[00:21:40 - Right.] Speaker: 00;21;40;15
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[00:21:43 - He so he goes, you know,
autism is a spectrum.] Speaker: 00;21;40;25
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[00:21:45 - He goes, but I would I would diagnose] Speaker: 00;21;44;00
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[00:21:48 - and with specific conditions
that weren't necessarily autism.] Speaker: 00;21;45;12
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[00:21:52 - He goes, but when the DSM five came out,
all of those things that were very hyper] Speaker: 00;21;48;14
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[00:21:56 - specific conditions
all got thrown into autism.] Speaker: 00;21;52;15
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[00:21:58 - And he goes,
I think that that was a bad idea] Speaker: 00;21;56;16
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[00:22:01 - because we can't specifically
treat people.] Speaker: 00;21;58;26
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[00:22:06 - So so what you're saying
is the depending on who the author is.] Speaker: 00;22;01;23
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[00:22:07 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;22;06;09
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[00:22:09 - And who you need to be suspect
of what it says.] Speaker: 00;22;07;00
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[00:22:10 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;22;09;18
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[00:22:14 - And like I am not trying
to lose my license but the DSM is just] Speaker: 00;22;10;05
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[00:22:19 - it is written by people dear
I don't I'm not trying to lose my license.] Speaker: 00;22;14;12
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[00:22:24 - But people do have agendas
like people do have backings.] Speaker: 00;22;20;07
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[00:22:25 - People do have.] Speaker: 00;22;24;16
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[00:22:28 - More. Traumas. Funding sources or traumas.] Speaker: 00;22;25;13
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[00:22:31 - 100% that manipulates
their thought processes.] Speaker: 00;22;28;12
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[00:22:32 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;22;32;07
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[00:22:35 - And even like the when I was in grad
school too, I remember my brain] Speaker: 00;22;32;16
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[00:22:38 - like being ripped out of my head,
just being like, what the heck?] Speaker: 00;22;35;24
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[00:22:41 - Like just learning
about, like, pea hacking.] Speaker: 00;22;38;28
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[00:22:44 - Which is like, what is that?] Speaker: 00;22;42;23
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[00:22:47 - It's like pea. I'm thinking
urine. No, no, no. Okay.] Speaker: 00;22;44;14
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[00:22:49 - Hacking like a p value in a study.] Speaker: 00;22;47;07
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[00:22:52 - Oh, yeah. In the study, research study.
And like how.] Speaker: 00;22;49;23
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[00:22:52 - Okay.] Speaker: 00;22;52;10
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[00:22:56 - So like, of course
like the replication crisis like that.] Speaker: 00;22;52;18
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[00:23:00 - We can't like so many studies
are we have made decisions] Speaker: 00;22;56;11
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[00:23:03 - on can't we can't replicate these studies.] Speaker: 00;23;00;08
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[00:23:06 - That's that's a, that's a terrifying idea.] Speaker: 00;23;03;11
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[00:23:06 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;23;06;04
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[00:23:09 - My brain was like ripped out of my head
when I was learning all of this.] Speaker: 00;23;06;14
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[00:23:10 - I was like, whoa, what do you mean?] Speaker: 00;23;09;04
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[00:23:12 - Like, I was so believed.] Speaker: 00;23;10;29
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[00:23:15 - Like, so I look
so you say the piece to P hacking and I,] Speaker: 00;23;12;17
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[00:23:18 - which I now know what a p value is.] Speaker: 00;23;15;23
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[00:23:21 - I wouldn't have known a p value
six years ago, but now I do.] Speaker: 00;23;18;21
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[00:23:23 - I started like] Speaker: 00;23;22;23
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[00:23:26 - I said, I started to quite like,
how could you do this?] Speaker: 00;23;23;09
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[00:23:29 - And what would be the benefit to like,
orient] Speaker: 00;23;26;09
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[00:23:32 - the study to give the conclusion
that you want one?] Speaker: 00;23;29;11
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[00:23:35 - And, and I heard a term called Geico.] Speaker: 00;23;32;22
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[00:23:35 - Have you heard that?] Speaker: 00;23;35;06
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[00:23:38 - I don't know what that is. Garbage
in, garbage out.] Speaker: 00;23;35;25
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[00:23:41 - So if you feed it manipulated data] Speaker: 00;23;38;12
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[00:23:44 - or biased data,
you will get a biased answer.] Speaker: 00;23;41;08
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[00:23:45 - Yeah. And even like.] Speaker: 00;23;44;10
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[00:23:46 - The don't be afraid to stay away.] Speaker: 00;23;45;11
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[00:23:49 - From that. Even, even the,] Speaker: 00;23;46;14
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[00:23:53 - I did in grad school,
I took, I did like two years or two] Speaker: 00;23;49;20
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[00:23:56 - semesters,
a full year of an independent study] Speaker: 00;23;53;21
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[00:23:58 - and just worked with this one professor,
because I was really interested] Speaker: 00;23;56;08
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[00:23:59 - in research.] Speaker: 00;23;58;28
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[00:24:04 - And I do this huge, study
on, like, fracking] Speaker: 00;23;59;29
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[00:24:08 - and then like, the amount of students
that will receive free lunches] Speaker: 00;24;04;15
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[00:24:12 - after, like a boomtown,
like bus, basically.] Speaker: 00;24;08;28
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[00:24:15 - And I realized, like, oh,
I can manipulate this.] Speaker: 00;24;13;00
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[00:24:16 - I could you realize.] Speaker: 00;24;15;22
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[00:24:19 - Yeah, I was like,
I could get a different test here,] Speaker: 00;24;16;28
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[00:24:21 - and I could do a different
statistical analysis.] Speaker: 00;24;19;15
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[00:24:25 - That's not the most appropriate one to do,
but I could do that right now.] Speaker: 00;24;21;25
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[00:24:27 - But it would benefit the outcome.] Speaker: 00;24;25;13
1

[00:24:30 - And then my my point,
then my hypothesis would be proven true.] Speaker: 00;24;27;03
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[00:24:34 - And how it's] Speaker: 00;24;32;29
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[00:24:36 - until I remember and if I could like.] Speaker: 00;24;34;03
1

[00:24:39 - Yeah that there is p hacking
that there is like oh let's use] Speaker: 00;24;36;25
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[00:24:42 - this type of testing on this data
set. Yeah.] Speaker: 00;24;39;16
1

[00:24:46 - Because that's then going to give this
and like nobody knows this shit.] Speaker: 00;24;42;27
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[00:24:49 - Like nobody knows
like what type of testing to do.] Speaker: 00;24;46;01
1

[00:24:52 - And what is the most like
if I'm reading a white paper] Speaker: 00;24;49;04
1

[00:24:55 - as a therapist and I'm just like trying
to like, learn more information.] Speaker: 00;24;52;08
1

[00:24:56 - Yeah, okay.] Speaker: 00;24;55;24
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[00:24:59 - I'm going to trust that
that was the right analysis to use that.] Speaker: 00;24;56;13
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[00:25:03 - That was an right analysis
software to use on these on the stack.] Speaker: 00;24;59;25
1

[00:25:05 - But you're basically finger crossing.] Speaker: 00;25;03;07
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[00:25:06 - But you're, you're.] Speaker: 00;25;05;16
1

[00:25:09 - You're like, yeah, I hope the people
that are writing this are trustworthy.] Speaker: 00;25;06;16
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[00:25:11 - Putting my and my hope into it. Yeah.] Speaker: 00;25;09;08
1

[00:25:14 - And I don't think that everybody
is like malicious and everybody is trying] Speaker: 00;25;11;02
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[00:25:15 - to like manipulate data.] Speaker: 00;25;14;03
1

[00:25:18 - But my buddy
my buddy calls it like we see, like I said] Speaker: 00;25;15;18
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[00:25:21 - before,
it's it's a misalignment of incentives.] Speaker: 00;25;18;21
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[00:25:24 - So when you incentivize people] Speaker: 00;25;21;26
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[00:25:28 - either financially or socially, they will] Speaker: 00;25;24;12
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[00:25:30 - they will man.] Speaker: 00;25;29;01
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[00:25:33 - They will manipulate the wind a little bit
and they might go] Speaker: 00;25;30;13
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[00:25:36 - like, oh, it's not I'm not like I'm
not like really buying.] Speaker: 00;25;33;21
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[00:25:38 - I'm just kind of.] Speaker: 00;25;36;25
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[00:25:42 - Fibbing a little bit and it'll
and I think it'll help people if I fib.] Speaker: 00;25;38;20
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[00:25:44 - Yes for sure.] Speaker: 00;25;43;03
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[00:25:46 - And that's when I was like] Speaker: 00;25;44;00
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[00:25:49 - once I started learning
how to read studies.] Speaker: 00;25;46;18
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[00:25:51 - Which I've done over
like the last five years.] Speaker: 00;25;49;03
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[00:25:54 - Like you start to be able to pick out.] Speaker: 00;25;51;21
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[00:25:57 - Oh somebody this got
this got screwed with.] Speaker: 00;25;54;14
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[00:26:00 - And therefore like this is what I say
about like people] Speaker: 00;25;57;27
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[00:26:04 - a liar can tell the truth.] Speaker: 00;26;02;06
1

[00:26:07 - It doesn't think it doesn't mean
that you should trust them.] Speaker: 00;26;04;22
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[00:26:11 - So like if they historically lie and
you can catch them in it, you have to go.] Speaker: 00;26;08;08
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[00:26:13 - I'm suspect.] Speaker: 00;26;11;20
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[00:26:14 - You might be right.] Speaker: 00;26;13;06
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[00:26:16 - This might be totally logical conclusion.] Speaker: 00;26;14;14
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[00:26:18 - But I need to be skeptical
of what you said.] Speaker: 00;26;16;14
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[00:26:21 - Which means we need to reproduce it.] Speaker: 00;26;18;14
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[00:26:22 - Yeah. Yeah.] Speaker: 00;26;21;08
1

[00:26:24 - Why don't they reproduce tests.] Speaker: 00;26;22;16
1

[00:26:26 - Yeah it's a great question.
We'll also like funding.] Speaker: 00;26;24;01
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[00:26:28 - Like how does funding for these tests
even come about.] Speaker: 00;26;26;01
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[00:26:29 - Like usually.] Speaker: 00;26;28;28
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[00:26:32 - It's subsidized and grants or whatever.] Speaker: 00;26;29;16
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[00:26:35 - Grants and like where do grants come from.] Speaker: 00;26;32;12
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[00:26:35 - You know.] Speaker: 00;26;35;01
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[00:26:36 - Well who doles them out?] Speaker: 00;26;35;12
1

[00:26:40 - What's the foundation
that's giving the grant money to college?] Speaker: 00;26;36;20
1

[00:26:41 - Just study what thing and then oh, wow.] Speaker: 00;26;40;00
1

[00:26:44 - You know, smoking
is actually really healthy for everybody.] Speaker: 00;26;41;26
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[00:26:46 - Create new. It's like.] Speaker: 00;26;45;01
1

[00:26:48 - Nicotine. Is just making a joke right
now. Yeah.] Speaker: 00;26;46;24
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[00:26:49 - Like you know.] Speaker: 00;26;48;25
1

[00:26:52 - But they did. That.
We weren't sure. Yeah. You know.] Speaker: 00;26;49;19
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[00:26:55 - When four out of five doctors
recommend my whole thing now is] Speaker: 00;26;52;15
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[00:26:56 - what's the one doctor say.] Speaker: 00;26;55;04
1

[00:26:57 - Why does he disagree?] Speaker: 00;26;56;17
1

[00:26:59 - Sure. So what do you think?] Speaker: 00;26;57;29
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[00:27:02 - So let's let's] Speaker: 00;27;01;20
1

[00:27:05 - let's get to you get through school] Speaker: 00;27;02;12
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[00:27:08 - or your education of whatever,
and then like what?] Speaker: 00;27;05;11
1

[00:27:11 - Like, I don't know if there's HIPAA stuff
or whatever.] Speaker: 00;27;08;25
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[00:27:15 - I know that you should not name names,
obviously, but what] Speaker: 00;27;11;18
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[00:27:18 - what were you expecting] Speaker: 00;27;15;20
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[00:27:21 - when you started versus what you saw?] Speaker: 00;27;18;10
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[00:27:24 - Did it align or was it was it misaligned?] Speaker: 00;27;21;23
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[00:27:28 - In other words, your expectation versus
the reality when you started to do this?] Speaker: 00;27;24;26
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[00:27:31 - Well, my.] Speaker: 00;27;28;18
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[00:27:36 - I'm not sure, to be honest,
being a therapist,] Speaker: 00;27;33;01
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[00:27:39 - I think that I was lucky to walk in with,] Speaker: 00;27;36;04
1

[00:27:42 - some years of experience from the clinic.] Speaker: 00;27;39;06
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[00:27:46 - I did recognize, like,
what a big difference] Speaker: 00;27;43;05
1

[00:27:50 - in mental maladies] Speaker: 00;27;46;24
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[00:27:53 - people have versus
whether or not somebody has no money] Speaker: 00;27;50;01
1

[00:27:57 - versus people
who have insurance to pay for therapy.] Speaker: 00;27;54;05
1

[00:28:01 - And the difference in problems people has,] Speaker: 00;27;57;22
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[00:28:05 - like financial instability,] Speaker: 00;28;02;16
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[00:28:08 - like one of my hugest things I always
I know I'm going off on a tangent again.] Speaker: 00;28;05;00
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[00:28:09 - But this is what this is about.] Speaker: 00;28;08;07
1

[00:28:11 - What am I one of those
one of the things I always say, like.] Speaker: 00;28;09;05
1

[00:28:13 - Once we get to flat Earth,
we've completed the circle.] Speaker: 00;28;11;18
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[00:28:15 - You can't you can't get you can't heal.] Speaker: 00;28;13;19
1

[00:28:18 - Trauma in a traumatized environment.] Speaker: 00;28;15;28
1

[00:28:21 - We co-create our reality
with our environment.] Speaker: 00;28;18;16
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[00:28:25 - We co-create our environment
with our our reality.] Speaker: 00;28;21;16
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[00:28:27 - We co-create our reality
with our environment.] Speaker: 00;28;25;10
1

[00:28:30 - Okay,
I live in a traumatizing environment.] Speaker: 00;28;27;12
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[00:28:36 - No matter how much I really try to help
myself, it's you're stuck really hard.] Speaker: 00;28;30;26
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[00:28:37 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;28;36;22
1

[00:28:40 - So I have like financial insecurity
all the time, or I'm scared] Speaker: 00;28;37;07
1

[00:28:43 - like my mom's going to get deported
or like, I'm scared] Speaker: 00;28;40;15
1

[00:28:46 - my dad's going to come home drunk again,
like, or my husband's going to come home] Speaker: 00;28;43;21
1

[00:28:51 - drunk again, like it's really hard
to, like, not be anxious all the time.] Speaker: 00;28;46;27
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[00:28:52 - Is it the flight?] Speaker: 00;28;51;16
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[00:28:54 - You're always in flight mode, so there's.] Speaker: 00;28;52;19
1

[00:28:55 - But you can't move.] Speaker: 00;28;54;13
1

[00:28:59 - There's these three distinct parts of
this is like this mind body connection.] Speaker: 00;28;55;19
1

[00:29:00 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;28;59;16
1

[00:29:02 - I can give a little like
yeah I'm doing that.] Speaker: 00;29;00;09
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[00:29:03 - Okay. So,] Speaker: 00;29;02;14
1

[00:29:05 - yeah.] Speaker: 00;29;04;20
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[00:29:07 - Like we can't escape that.
We have these bodies, right?] Speaker: 00;29;05;00
1

[00:29:13 - That we are in body like we experience
our world via our senses, right?] Speaker: 00;29;07;25
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[00:29:14 - Via VR.] Speaker: 00;29;13;03
1

[00:29:18 - I'm just going to keep audio engineering,
you and Scotty.] Speaker: 00;29;14;09
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[00:29:18 - I'm not paying.] Speaker: 00;29;18;09
1

[00:29:23 - I'm not paying attention
very well to the difference, but we.] Speaker: 00;29;18;29
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[00:29:25 - Yeah. Like that. Is it right?] Speaker: 00;29;23;10
1

[00:29:28 - We just, like,
pick up our with our senses.] Speaker: 00;29;25;04
1

[00:29:30 - What do I see? What do I hear?] Speaker: 00;29;29;04
1

[00:29:33 - Like, how do I move through this life
via our senses?] Speaker: 00;29;30;10
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[00:29:36 - And then my brain, like,
understands things] Speaker: 00;29;34;02
1

[00:29:40 - and then I, like,
give it a story and like, that's my life.] Speaker: 00;29;36;26
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[00:29:44 - Anyways, we have these three distinct
parts of our autonomic nervous system.] Speaker: 00;29;41;09
1

[00:29:47 - Okay, so our vagus nerve,
you know much about the vagus nerve.] Speaker: 00;29;44;29
1

[00:29:49 - You hear
people talk about the vagus nerve.] Speaker: 00;29;47;16
1

[00:29:50 - Where is that?] Speaker: 00;29;49;29
1

[00:29:52 - Okay.
So it's the longest nerve in our body.] Speaker: 00;29;50;24
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[00:29:54 - It's it's a cranial nerve.] Speaker: 00;29;52;21
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[00:29:56 - It goes all the way down our spinal cord.
Yeah. Okay.] Speaker: 00;29;54;02
1

[00:29:58 - And then it looks like a root system.] Speaker: 00;29;56;10
1

[00:30:01 - And then it, like, branches out here
and like, connects all the shit here.] Speaker: 00;29;58;05
1

[00:30:03 - And then it goes up into our brain,
like, connects] Speaker: 00;30;01;10
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[00:30:05 - all the shit in the front of our face.] Speaker: 00;30;03;07
1

[00:30:07 - Like how your clinical ideas. Shit. Yeah.] Speaker: 00;30;05;05
1

[00:30:09 - That's that's it.] Speaker: 00;30;07;24
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[00:30:10 - So this. Shit like.] Speaker: 00;30;09;11
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[00:30:13 - That. Comes out like an octopus.
It's like a root system.] Speaker: 00;30;10;26
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[00:30:14 - It's like there's fun facts about it.] Speaker: 00;30;13;08
1

[00:30:17 - Like it'll wrap around the world
X amount of time.] Speaker: 00;30;14;20
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[00:30:18 - Or like,
I remember seeing that when I was a kid.] Speaker: 00;30;17;15
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[00:30:20 - Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's super huge.] Speaker: 00;30;18;24
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[00:30:26 - And so the theory around it, and I will
say that the theory of the evolution of it] Speaker: 00;30;20;19
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[00:30:30 - does have some pushback,
which I don't care.] Speaker: 00;30;26;23
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[00:30:33 - Yes. The rest of it is all true.] Speaker: 00;30;30;29
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[00:30:34 - Right.] Speaker: 00;30;33;28
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[00:30:36 - But the theory of it is. Okay.] Speaker: 00;30;34;26
1

[00:30:42 - So these basically like 40 million years
ago, we were like these turtle creatures.] Speaker: 00;30;36;03
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[00:30:44 - And so this is the theory.] Speaker: 00;30;42;17
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[00:30:46 - Yeah, we were turtle creatures.] Speaker: 00;30;44;00
1

[00:30:49 - Well, basically
we were like these creatures, these] Speaker: 00;30;46;06
1

[00:30:53 - whatever creatures at all we had with this
dorsal vagal part of our nervous system.] Speaker: 00;30;49;10
1

[00:30:58 - So what we would do is we would like,
go into our shell] Speaker: 00;30;53;11
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[00:31:01 - ultimately and freeze, like,
that's all we could do] Speaker: 00;30;58;17
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[00:31:04 - when there was a threat,
like there was some threat.] Speaker: 00;31;01;18
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[00:31:05 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;31;04;15
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[00:31:07 - Possum is a freeze
okay, a freeze reaction.] Speaker: 00;31;05;05
1

[00:31:10 - So we would just freeze and that's it.
And that when we survived.] Speaker: 00;31;07;26
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[00:31:15 - So then we evolved and we became like
reptiles and we like, had them.] Speaker: 00;31;10;21
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[00:31:17 - People talk about,
like the reptilian brain.] Speaker: 00;31;15;16
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[00:31:18 - Yeah. Whatever.] Speaker: 00;31;17;17
1

[00:31:18 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;31;18;10
1

[00:31:22 - Okay, so we got this spinal cord
and we got this sympathetic] Speaker: 00;31;18;16
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[00:31:25 - branch of this autonomic nervous system.] Speaker: 00;31;22;03
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[00:31:26 - So that goes up the spinal cord.] Speaker: 00;31;25;03
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[00:31:27 - And we got this] Speaker: 00;31;26;24
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[00:31:31 - limbic system in the side of the brain
there like amygdala, hippocampus.] Speaker: 00;31;27;10
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[00:31:34 - So now when there's a threat
I could still freeze] Speaker: 00;31;31;09
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[00:31:37 - or now I could fight it
or I could slide it.] Speaker: 00;31;34;12
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[00:31:41 - And then we evolved like 300
million years, whatever became mammals,] Speaker: 00;31;37;04
1

[00:31:45 - we got this huge chunk or this pre
frontal cortex.] Speaker: 00;31;41;20
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[00:31:50 - We got this ventral what I ventral vagal
part of the parasympathetic branch] Speaker: 00;31;45;09
1

[00:31:53 - of this nervous system that goes up into
the head connects everything here.] Speaker: 00;31;50;17
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[00:31:57 - So now when there's a threat
like it's so freeze] Speaker: 00;31;53;17
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[00:32:00 - or I could fight it or I could flight it] Speaker: 00;31;57;23
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[00:32:03 - or I could turn
towards the threat and say,] Speaker: 00;32;00;28
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[00:32:07 - oh yeah, maybe this person,
like, isn't trying to, like,] Speaker: 00;32;04;23
1

[00:32:11 - fuck me over by taking this parking spot
right now, right?] Speaker: 00;32;07;24
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[00:32:11 - Yeah, right.] Speaker: 00;32;11;02
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[00:32:13 - Just like not paying attention and like,
I don't need] Speaker: 00;32;11;16
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[00:32:16 - to, like,
be freaking out of them right now.] Speaker: 00;32;13;19
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[00:32:18 - So. So it's a choice.] Speaker: 00;32;16;05
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[00:32:20 - No no no.] Speaker: 00;32;18;03
1

[00:32:24 - So we have reactions
we so autonomic being like] Speaker: 00;32;20;22
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[00:32:26 - I'm just seeing this for anybody
listening.] Speaker: 00;32;25;08
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[00:32:28 - Like our heartbeat is autonomic.] Speaker: 00;32;26;16
1

[00:32:31 - Like our breath is autonomic
like it just happens.] Speaker: 00;32;28;12
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[00:32:33 - And we have,] Speaker: 00;32;32;07
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[00:32:35 - we pick] Speaker: 00;32;34;18
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[00:32:38 - up on things via what's called
neuro section,] Speaker: 00;32;35;05
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[00:32:42 - which is like with our senses
that our brain will never be aware of.] Speaker: 00;32;38;09
1

[00:32:44 - But then we live our life.] Speaker: 00;32;43;18
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[00:32:48 - So the example
that I normally give in the therapy room,] Speaker: 00;32;44;19
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[00:32:52 - and I'll just take a step back
to like, these three distinct parts] Speaker: 00;32;49;08
1

[00:32:53 - of our nervous system,] Speaker: 00;32;52;07
1

[00:32:57 - they all have different like this
sympathetic this fight or flight,] Speaker: 00;32;53;21
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[00:33:00 - like up the spinal cord here
which also could be fighting.] Speaker: 00;32;57;02
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[00:33:05 - Also fighting meaning like
if I have like a drunk dad as a kid and.] Speaker: 00;33;00;04
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[00:33:07 - It's like you're the beer, the princess.] Speaker: 00;33;05;12
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[00:33:08 - Oh, no, I'm.] Speaker: 00;33;07;25
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[00:33:09 - Okay if my.] Speaker: 00;33;08;24
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[00:33:12 - Dad is if my dad is drunk, right. And he.] Speaker: 00;33;09;15
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[00:33:14 - But maybe he's like, I don't know.] Speaker: 00;33;12;23
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[00:33:16 - I was going to take that in a whole
different era, but okay, so my dad's rock.] Speaker: 00;33;14;04
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[00:33:18 - I'm sorry. No, no, no.] Speaker: 00;33;16;26
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[00:33:19 - But if my dad's drunk, let's say.] Speaker: 00;33;18;03
1

[00:33:22 - And like he says like, oh, Chelsea,
you know, you were supposed to] Speaker: 00;33;19;27
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[00:33:24 - you told me
you were going to make dinner tonight.] Speaker: 00;33;22;21
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[00:33:27 - You didn't make dinner.
And I know he never made dinner.] Speaker: 00;33;24;06
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[00:33:29 - I know he never asked me
to make dinner, but.] Speaker: 00;33;27;00
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[00:33:31 - Well, if I say that to him, he's
going to freak out.] Speaker: 00;33;29;11
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[00:33:33 - So I say, I'll tell.
You know, I'm so stupid.] Speaker: 00;33;31;20
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[00:33:35 - Yeah, you're right. I didn't make dinner.
You know what? I'm going to.] Speaker: 00;33;33;27
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[00:33:36 - I didn't order pizza.] Speaker: 00;33;35;27
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[00:33:38 - I made a little extra money
working at Manning,] Speaker: 00;33;36;27
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[00:33:41 - so I'm going to order pizza and, like,
sit down.] Speaker: 00;33;38;26
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[00:33:43 - You want a beer and let me grab a beer?] Speaker: 00;33;41;09
1

[00:33:45 - So that's fawning inside.] Speaker: 00;33;43;04
1

[00:33:47 - I'm like, inside
I'm having the same experience.] Speaker: 00;33;45;00
1

[00:33:50 - So is now like, is that like a response
of being, like, overly kind,] Speaker: 00;33;47;20
1

[00:33:55 - self submissive, so that so that you avoid
some sort of confrontation?] Speaker: 00;33;50;21
1

[00:33:58 - Traumatized
people do not like confrontation, okay.] Speaker: 00;33;55;02
1

[00:34:02 - Traumatized people typically
do not will find themselves.] Speaker: 00;33;58;20
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[00:34:02 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;34;02;14
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[00:34:06 - Falling into people
pleasing perfection in this world.] Speaker: 00;34;02;24
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[00:34:08 - Okay. Yeah.] Speaker: 00;34;07;01
1

[00:34:10 - Yeah. So and then this like but this.] Speaker: 00;34;08;08
1

[00:34:13 - So trauma is not just
I think people need to understand this is] Speaker: 00;34;10;05
1

[00:34:18 - trauma is not necessarily like rage
or no or overreact.] Speaker: 00;34;13;16
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[00:34:20 - No. That's there
all could be trauma reaction.] Speaker: 00;34;18;10
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[00:34:21 - Right. Yeah.] Speaker: 00;34;20;16
1

[00:34:24 - And then so this site or
and especially stuff that happens] Speaker: 00;34;21;18
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[00:34:29 - when we're developing like as children,
the stuff that happens when we develop] Speaker: 00;34;24;18
1

[00:34:34 - like that sets pathways for us to just
continuously fall down in adulthood.] Speaker: 00;34;29;28
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[00:34:36 - Like it's kind of crazy.] Speaker: 00;34;35;04
1

[00:34:39 - My sister calls it our programing up
until like age 7 or 8.] Speaker: 00;34;36;04
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[00:34:40 - I really do.] Speaker: 00;34;39;17
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[00:34:45 - Sometimes I shy away from using terms
like programing, but ultimately yes.] Speaker: 00;34;40;28
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[00:34:46 - Yeah, well, it's
because I think the data. Scared.] Speaker: 00;34;45;01
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[00:34:48 - About it,
but it's the data and the reaction.] Speaker: 00;34;46;28
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[00:34:52 - So it's like the fears, 100%.] Speaker: 00;34;48;29
1

[00:34:54 - Yeah. It's basically like what? What?
She's one of my sisters.] Speaker: 00;34;52;00
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[00:34:57 - She goes by if she goes eight years old
or whatever, like, you know,] Speaker: 00;34;54;10
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[00:34:58 - your kids personality for basically] Speaker: 00;34;57;08
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[00:35:02 - the rest of their life, minus
some sort of profound moment.] Speaker: 00;34;58;22
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[00:35:03 - And we can.] Speaker: 00;35;02;19
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[00:35:05 - And so the other thing
to like in this fight or flight,] Speaker: 00;35;03;09
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[00:35:09 - part of the nervous system, okay,
we get 30 different chemicals are released] Speaker: 00;35;05;26
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[00:35:13 - in the body that then take 12 to 30 hours
to fully metabolize.] Speaker: 00;35;09;19
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[00:35:16 - So what normally happens in like a
oh really? Yeah.] Speaker: 00;35;14;06
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[00:35:20 - So what happens in a healthy person
a healthy healthy person] Speaker: 00;35;16;18
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[00:35:23 - a non traumatized
not anxious somebody who like] Speaker: 00;35;20;29
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[00:35:28 - is experiences life with like joy
and like they're hopeful about the future.] Speaker: 00;35;24;09
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[00:35:31 - Like it's all the good place
we all want to exist in.] Speaker: 00;35;28;20
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[00:35:33 - So that person, you know,
they're driving down the road, right.] Speaker: 00;35;31;01
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[00:35:37 - Because we have all of these reactions
for a reason for survival.] Speaker: 00;35;33;29
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[00:35:40 - Right?
We have like fight or flight for a reason.] Speaker: 00;35;37;10
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[00:35:42 - We have freeze for a reason for survival.] Speaker: 00;35;40;01
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[00:35:45 - There's times where it's really good
for me to be frozen, right?] Speaker: 00;35;42;20
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[00:35:46 - There's times when, like.] Speaker: 00;35;45;24
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[00:35:48 - You know, when the bears walking by you
in the woods.] Speaker: 00;35;46;24
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[00:35:51 - 100%. Yeah, 100%.] Speaker: 00;35;48;25
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[00:35:52 - Yeah. So the] Speaker: 00;35;51;06
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[00:35:54 - 30 different chemicals, right?] Speaker: 00;35;53;20
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[00:35:55 - Adrenaline.] Speaker: 00;35;54;28
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[00:35:58 - We get a huge dose of adrenaline. Right.] Speaker: 00;35;55;20
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[00:35:59 - And then what happens?] Speaker: 00;35;58;02
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[00:36:01 - So we get adrenaline
over and over in the brain.] Speaker: 00;35;59;00
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[00:36:03 - Right. That becomes cortisol.] Speaker: 00;36;01;29
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[00:36:06 - And then we're in like the stress world
all of the time.] Speaker: 00;36;03;15
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[00:36:09 - But ultimately I just realize something.] Speaker: 00;36;06;25
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[00:36:10 - Just keep going okay.] Speaker: 00;36;09;15
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[00:36:11 - Ultimately this okay.] Speaker: 00;36;10;15
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[00:36:15 - So if I'm driving down the road
and somebody pulls out in front of me] Speaker: 00;36;11;20
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[00:36:16 - on 81, right.] Speaker: 00;36;15;00
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[00:36:19 - And I my sympathetic nervous system,
thank God I have it, I will just] Speaker: 00;36;16;01
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[00:36:22 - step on the brake,
I don't think step on the brake.] Speaker: 00;36;19;23
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[00:36:24 - I just do it right.] Speaker: 00;36;23;00
1

[00:36:27 - I just step on the brake
and I'm safe and I'm chill.] Speaker: 00;36;24;25
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[00:36:28 - Okay? I'm sorry.] Speaker: 00;36;27;24
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[00:36:31 - And then, this ventral vagal] Speaker: 00;36;28;26
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[00:36:33 - part of the nervous system,
prefrontal cortex,] Speaker: 00;36;31;20
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[00:36:36 - safety and connection,
part of the nervous system turns] Speaker: 00;36;33;25
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[00:36:38 - on, says, okay, we're fine, we're safe,
we're chill.] Speaker: 00;36;36;02
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[00:36:40 - Like, let's what's called
move up the ladder.] Speaker: 00;36;38;08
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[00:36:45 - And like, I forget about the whole thing,
but let's say that happens.] Speaker: 00;36;40;25
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[00:36:45 - And then,] Speaker: 00;36;45;05
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[00:36:48 - I don't know, I get here and] Speaker: 00;36;46;25
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[00:36:51 - you just like, start
screaming at me out of nowhere, right?] Speaker: 00;36;48;00
1

[00:36:54 - And I get, bam, those 30 chemicals again.] Speaker: 00;36;51;25
1

[00:36:58 - So I'm already processing the 30 chemicals
from 81 15 minutes ago right now.] Speaker: 00;36;54;16
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[00:37:00 - I got these chemicals again.] Speaker: 00;36;58;19
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[00:37:02 - Yeah, being released in the body.] Speaker: 00;37;00;20
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[00:37:03 - And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
what's happening here?] Speaker: 00;37;02;02
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[00:37:04 - And then I hear people] Speaker: 00;37;03;22
1

[00:37:08 - fighting over at the restaurant outside
and I hear, like, some whoa!] Speaker: 00;37;04;16
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[00:37:11 - And maybe I have, like, a trauma reaction
or like, I hear, like, somebody's voice] Speaker: 00;37;08;10
1

[00:37:14 - that sounds like my creepy uncle
or whatever. Right?] Speaker: 00;37;11;16
1

[00:37:15 - And then that's happening again.] Speaker: 00;37;14;02
1

[00:37:20 - And then I go home and I'm like,
a total asshole to my husband.] Speaker: 00;37;15;12
1

[00:37:25 - Or I'm like, I just start to drink
because none of this feels good, right?] Speaker: 00;37;20;20
1

[00:37:28 - Or I start to help myself get out of this.] Speaker: 00;37;25;05
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[00:37:29 - I don't escape yet.] Speaker: 00;37;28;03
1

[00:37:33 - And then what happens ultimately
with things like complex PTSD?] Speaker: 00;37;29;25
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[00:37:37 - PTSD is that I'm just stuck in this part
of my nervous system,] Speaker: 00;37;33;09
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[00:37:40 - this good old safety and connection
never gets to catch up.] Speaker: 00;37;37;05
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[00:37:43 - And then the crazy shit is
and then when I'm stuck here, I'm] Speaker: 00;37;41;01
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[00:37:46 - probably going to fall down
into what I call Death Valley,] Speaker: 00;37;43;17
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[00:37:48 - which is the dorsal vagal
part of the nervous system,] Speaker: 00;37;46;04
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[00:37:50 - which is like the freeze
part of the nervous system.] Speaker: 00;37;48;10
1

[00:37:52 - Like this is why
when we're really depressed,] Speaker: 00;37;50;12
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[00:37:54 - we have no motivation to do anything
right.] Speaker: 00;37;52;01
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[00:37:56 - Literally, the body is like, well,
we got to conserve our energy] Speaker: 00;37;54;12
1

[00:37:59 - because we might need to run away
from the bear right later.] Speaker: 00;37;56;28
1

[00:38:02 - So let's not take a shower. Right?] Speaker: 00;37;59;26
1

[00:38:03 - We can't take a shower.] Speaker: 00;38;02;17
1

[00:38:08 - Our thoughts are directly correlated
to where our nervous system is at. Yes.] Speaker: 00;38;03;16
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[00:38:13 - Which is crazy shit,
which is crazy shit like that.] Speaker: 00;38;08;11
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[00:38:18 - We don't have access to hopeful thoughts
about the future] Speaker: 00;38;13;19
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[00:38:19 - when we are in this fight or flight,] Speaker: 00;38;18;06
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[00:38:22 - part of the nervous system,
or when we're in Death Valley.] Speaker: 00;38;19;25
1

[00:38:22 - Right?] Speaker: 00;38;22;09
1

[00:38:27 - Like it's kind of wild and I see it all
the time, show up and things like that.] Speaker: 00;38;22;28
1

[00:38:30 - Like somebody who's depressed,
I'll say like,] Speaker: 00;38;27;08
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[00:38:33 - well, what about going for a walk?] Speaker: 00;38;30;06
1

[00:38:34 - You know, sure.] Speaker: 00;38;33;12
1

[00:38:36 - Getting some exercise
that's going to be really good for you.] Speaker: 00;38;34;10
1

[00:38:40 - Their first reaction to me is going to be,] Speaker: 00;38;36;27
1

[00:38:43 - I don't have any sneakers, really.] Speaker: 00;38;41;26
1

[00:38:48 - Oh, it's like there is no place
I can walk around my house right now.] Speaker: 00;38;43;26
1

[00:38:49 - Or, you know, I'm so tired.] Speaker: 00;38;48;07
1

[00:38:51 - Like, I just can't get out of the house
or, like,] Speaker: 00;38;49;25
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[00:38:54 - my neighborhood is really dangerous.
I can't go for a walk.] Speaker: 00;38;51;29
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[00:38:57 - Their first thought is going to be
how they can't do anything] Speaker: 00;38;54;23
1

[00:38:59 - to get out of this state,] Speaker: 00;38;57;28
1

[00:39:02 - because this autonomic state is like,
well, we're in big danger.] Speaker: 00;38;59;24
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[00:39:04 - Like we can't move,
we can't get out of here.] Speaker: 00;39;02;13
1

[00:39:07 - Yes. So that's
why breaking out of depression is so hard.] Speaker: 00;39;04;22
1

[00:39:10 - Like our first thoughts are going to be,
yeah, we can't.] Speaker: 00;39;07;22
1

[00:39:11 - Nothing is going to change it.] Speaker: 00;39;10;12
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[00:39:14 - We can't do. It
because you almost have to like.] Speaker: 00;39;11;24
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[00:39:19 - Bypass all your feelings
and demand that you do it.] Speaker: 00;39;16;11
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[00:39:20 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;39;20;00
1

[00:39:23 - You have to, like,
kind of gaslight yourself, to be honest.] Speaker: 00;39;20;10
1

[00:39:24 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;39;23;23
1

[00:39:29 - Like kind of do you kind of
do have to gaslight yourself a little bit.] Speaker: 00;39;24;07
1

[00:39:29 - Do you.] Speaker: 00;39;29;13
1

[00:39:32 - Think it's lying to yourself,
or do you think that you need to like.] Speaker: 00;39;29;18
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[00:39:34 - Lying to yourself at. All? So.] Speaker: 00;39;32;08
1

[00:39:38 - So this is.] Speaker: 00;39;35;03
1

[00:39:41 - This is this is like the thing] Speaker: 00;39;39;23
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[00:39:44 - that like where I think you and I] Speaker: 00;39;41;07
1

[00:39:48 - would, would be saying the same thing,
but different ways] Speaker: 00;39;45;13
1

[00:39:52 - where it's like, you have to like,] Speaker: 00;39;49;12
1

[00:39:55 - I like I listen to people like some of
the people I hang out with are very like,] Speaker: 00;39;52;10
1

[00:39:57 - you guys, get the fuck up.] Speaker: 00;39;55;25
1

[00:39:59 - You can't let yourself,] Speaker: 00;39;57;14
1

[00:40:02 - you know, get into whatever place that
you think that you're going to get into.] Speaker: 00;39;59;05
1

[00:40:04 - And it seems like a tough love.
Maybe that's it.] Speaker: 00;40;02;19
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[00:40:05 - Maybe that's what it is.] Speaker: 00;40;04;18
1

[00:40:08 - It's a different
it's like a tough love thing where like,] Speaker: 00;40;05;05
1

[00:40:12 - they're like, you have to, you know, like,
like nobody wants to get up every day] Speaker: 00;40;08;07
1

[00:40:14 - and go for, like, a hike or,
you know, run around the thing.] Speaker: 00;40;12;03
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[00:40:16 - But like, when you listen to them talk,] Speaker: 00;40;14;14
1

[00:40:17 - they're like, the other days,
I don't want to do that.] Speaker: 00;40;16;01
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[00:40:18 - I have to force myself.] Speaker: 00;40;17;11
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[00:40:20 - Yeah, sometimes for sure. Yeah.] Speaker: 00;40;18;16
1

[00:40:24 - I would be curious
about the type of like, inner talk] Speaker: 00;40;20;16
1

[00:40:27 - that happens because.] Speaker: 00;40;25;27
1

[00:40:29 - Do me entertainer like what?] Speaker: 00;40;27;25
1

[00:40:30 - I like the inner.] Speaker: 00;40;29;20
1

[00:40:33 - Someone would think to them,
yeah like some people don't have that.] Speaker: 00;40;30;14
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[00:40:34 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;40;34;15
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[00:40:36 - Some people have a hard time
being able to like.] Speaker: 00;40;34;21
1

[00:40:39 - 50% of the country or something,
or people that I read a thing] Speaker: 00;40;36;22
1

[00:40:42 - where it's like 50% of people
can't, don't have like an inner monologue.] Speaker: 00;40;39;23
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[00:40:43 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;40;42;17
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[00:40:47 - I think people can be able to pick out
their thoughts, but like, to what degree?] Speaker: 00;40;43;11
1

[00:40:49 - Like, yeah. Yeah. For sure.] Speaker: 00;40;47;14
1

[00:40:54 - Not everybody is like, oh yeah, you're
doing a great job driving on 81 right now.] Speaker: 00;40;49;03
1

[00:40:57 - Yeah, yeah. You're doing a great job
talking to Marky right now.] Speaker: 00;40;54;05
1

[00:40:58 - You're you're so pretty.] Speaker: 00;40;57;02
1

[00:41:00 - Yeah. Well, yeah, that's for sure.] Speaker: 00;40;58;09
1

[00:41:03 - Also, it's disorienting to people
I find to be able to.] Speaker: 00;41;00;16
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[00:41:05 - Because here's the other thing too.] Speaker: 00;41;04;02
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[00:41:09 - Like to be able to sit and, like,
actually listen and observe your thoughts.] Speaker: 00;41;05;14
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[00:41:12 - That's disorienting to people.] Speaker: 00;41;10;04
1

[00:41:14 - People are always on the go.] Speaker: 00;41;12;06
1

[00:41:17 - If you don't want to sit
and just observe their thoughts,] Speaker: 00;41;14;02
1

[00:41:20 - we all get attached to our thoughts
and let that drive the show.] Speaker: 00;41;17;13
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[00:41:22 - As is that.] Speaker: 00;41;21;07
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[00:41:24 - So is it.] Speaker: 00;41;23;17
1

[00:41:25 - So Freud, what is Freud say?] Speaker: 00;41;24;05
1

[00:41:27 - ID ego super ego.] Speaker: 00;41;25;15
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[00:41:29 - Where does that] Speaker: 00;41;27;21
1

[00:41:31 - what category does that fall under?] Speaker: 00;41;29;27
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[00:41:33 - No, I cannot answer that question.] Speaker: 00;41;31;09
1

[00:41:34 - Because you're not
you're not a big fan of Freud.] Speaker: 00;41;33;13
1

[00:41:36 - No, I hate Freud.] Speaker: 00;41;34;24
1

[00:41:38 - I hate Freud, to be honest. And like.] Speaker: 00;41;36;07
1

[00:41:39 - You are.] Speaker: 00;41;38;25
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[00:41:42 - Upset he has done to Western psychology.] Speaker: 00;41;39;15
1

[00:41:45 - Why can I can I,
I mean I'm going to go off on another.] Speaker: 00;41;42;00
1

[00:41:48 - Let's go Sigmund Freud.] Speaker: 00;41;45;17
1

[00:41:52 - Oh this man that is the daddy of Western] Speaker: 00;41;48;19
1

[00:41:55 - psychology.] Speaker: 00;41;52;12
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[00:41:56 - Okay.] Speaker: 00;41;56;10
1

[00:42:02 - So he was like, you know, he's he's
seeing these patients like in developing.] Speaker: 00;41;56;20
1

[00:42:05 - I've seen these patients
and all of these women,] Speaker: 00;42;02;24
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[00:42:06 - and they're all telling him.] Speaker: 00;42;05;11
1

[00:42:07 - Is it mostly women? Yes.] Speaker: 00;42;06;16
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[00:42:09 - Weird. And. Yes.] Speaker: 00;42;07;27
1

[00:42:12 - And they're all,] Speaker: 00;42;09;17
1

[00:42:15 - they're all like,
being a crazy bitch, right?] Speaker: 00;42;12;11
1

[00:42:18 - They're like, crying all the time.] Speaker: 00;42;15;20
1

[00:42:24 - They like, you know, have these big main
reactions to disproportionate stimuli.] Speaker: 00;42;18;17
1

[00:42:27 - They have, seemingly
disproportionate stimuli.] Speaker: 00;42;24;10
1

[00:42:28 - They can't sleep.] Speaker: 00;42;27;27
1

[00:42:31 - They don't want to take care
of their kids.] Speaker: 00;42;28;28
1

[00:42:33 - They don't want to, like,
go do the laundry.] Speaker: 00;42;31;03
1

[00:42:34 - They don't want to do the chores.] Speaker: 00;42;33;04
1

[00:42:36 - Like, they're not happy.] Speaker: 00;42;34;23
1

[00:42:38 - They're miserable all of the time.] Speaker: 00;42;36;29
1

[00:42:40 - Okay, well, he] Speaker: 00;42;39;29
1

[00:42:44 - has all of these all of these women
patients and whoa, whoa,] Speaker: 00;42;40;27
1

[00:42:48 - what does he find in common
with all of these women patients] Speaker: 00;42;44;13
1

[00:42:52 - is that they've all had sexual abuse
growing up.] Speaker: 00;42;48;05
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[00:42:53 - All of them.] Speaker: 00;42;52;12
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[00:42:56 - They've all experienced sexual abuse
growing up.] Speaker: 00;42;53;02
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[00:42:56 - Okay.] Speaker: 00;42;56;05
1

[00:43:00 - So he writes his first pamphlet
about his studies and what he's learning.] Speaker: 00;42;56;17
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[00:43:03 - And he puts this in the pamphlet] Speaker: 00;43;01;16
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[00:43:05 - all of these women
seem to have this one thing in common.] Speaker: 00;43;03;12
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[00:43:08 - They all have some type of sexual trauma.] Speaker: 00;43;05;28
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[00:43:09 - Sexual.] Speaker: 00;43;08;17
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[00:43:10 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;43;09;21
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[00:43:13 - For the word
like sexual trauma in their history.] Speaker: 00;43;10;01
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[00:43:13 - Okay.] Speaker: 00;43;13;20
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[00:43:17 - And he publishes it and then his peers] Speaker: 00;43;13;27
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[00:43:21 - all come to him and they're like,
oh, Freud, we got to talk to you.] Speaker: 00;43;18;25
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[00:43:23 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;43;23;04
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[00:43:31 - You got to take that out because this is
too disorienting to the culture.] Speaker: 00;43;23;20
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[00:43:35 - If we put this out, that sexual abuse
is this rape] Speaker: 00;43;31;16
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[00:43:39 - bed, that's going to be way too
disorienting to the culture.] Speaker: 00;43;35;23
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[00:43:43 - So you need to bring this back
and rewrite this pamphlet.] Speaker: 00;43;39;25
1

[00:43:44 - So guess what he does?] Speaker: 00;43;43;08
1

[00:43:47 - That he rewrites the pamphlet and he,] Speaker: 00;43;44;20
1

[00:43:51 - comes up with hysteria.] Speaker: 00;43;48;01
1

[00:43:52 - All of these ones.] Speaker: 00;43;51;08
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[00:43:53 - Wait, that's where hysteria came from.] Speaker: 00;43;52;11
1

[00:43:55 - All of these women are just suffering.] Speaker: 00;43;53;25
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[00:43:57 - They just have brain worms.] Speaker: 00;43;55;26
1

[00:44:00 - They just have
something is just wrong with them,] Speaker: 00;43;57;14
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[00:44:03 - and they all just have hysteria.] Speaker: 00;44;01;12
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[00:44:07 - And then people like,
I can't see his name, Sergeant Scott,] Speaker: 00;44;03;03
1

[00:44:09 - he's like another French.] Speaker: 00;44;07;19
1

[00:44:11 - He's a voice French, he's a doctor.] Speaker: 00;44;09;11
1

[00:44:13 - He's a French psychologist of the time.] Speaker: 00;44;11;01
1

[00:44:15 - And he like, goes on to purport this.] Speaker: 00;44;13;24
1

[00:44:18 - He like, hires homeless women.] Speaker: 00;44;15;26
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[00:44:22 - And does these, like
demonstrations is presentations] Speaker: 00;44;18;12
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[00:44:26 - to the public about hysteria to,
like, back up how like, yeah, he's.] Speaker: 00;44;22;16
1

[00:44:29 - Taking she's taking overly traumatized
people as the example.] Speaker: 00;44;26;16
1

[00:44:34 - Well, he pays these homeless women to
and he tells them, act crazy on stage] Speaker: 00;44;29;08
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[00:44:36 - and like,
we're going to give this back story] Speaker: 00;44;35;02
1

[00:44:38 - and you're going to be this woman
with hysteria.] Speaker: 00;44;36;27
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[00:44:42 - And we're going to and like, falsifies
this whole show, this whole thing.] Speaker: 00;44;38;23
1

[00:44:43 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;44;42;23
1

[00:44:46 - And then that gets to be part of really] Speaker: 00;44;43;09
1

[00:44:50 - our true foundation of Western psychology,
that there's just something] Speaker: 00;44;46;05
1

[00:44:53 - wrong with people, that people aren't
the reason they are for reasons.] Speaker: 00;44;50;15
1

[00:44:59 - So people have social conditions
that creates a imbalance in the body] Speaker: 00;44;53;21
1

[00:45:03 - and in the brain,
and then they act out to stimulus.] Speaker: 00;44;59;04
1

[00:45:04 - That's not what] Speaker: 00;45;04;07
1

[00:45:07 - that what we got from Freud,
what we got from Freud was,] Speaker: 00;45;04;28
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[00:45:09 - oh yeah, some people
are just fucking crazy.] Speaker: 00;45;07;13
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[00:45:14 - Two things.] Speaker: 00;45;11;09
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[00:45:16 - I don't know how good of a person
Freud was.] Speaker: 00;45;14;13
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[00:45:19 - In hindsight,
once you start reading literature] Speaker: 00;45;16;25
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[00:45:22 - that, like, people
who were against him at the time.] Speaker: 00;45;19;18
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[00:45:27 - And the other thing that, like,
I didn't realize over the last few years,] Speaker: 00;45;22;20
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[00:45:30 - I finally realized, like, I didn't
finally realize it, but I was like,] Speaker: 00;45;27;00
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[00:45:34 - why are there so many abused children?] Speaker: 00;45;30;19
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[00:45:38 - It's it is pervasive and it's for] Speaker: 00;45;35;07
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[00:45:41 - and it's weirdly and it's weirdly dark.] Speaker: 00;45;38;11
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[00:45:44 - Because we don't talk about it. Yes.] Speaker: 00;45;42;08
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[00:45:47 - And we push it to the side.] Speaker: 00;45;44;29
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[00:45:47 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;45;47;08
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[00:45:50 - Like I look at, I've noticed this,] Speaker: 00;45;47;13
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[00:45:53 - and this is just me noticing,] Speaker: 00;45;50;27
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[00:45:59 - There are a lot of we all know that, like,] Speaker: 00;45;56;15
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[00:46:03 - the sides are picking up about, like,
you know, the LGBTQ community.] Speaker: 00;45;59;04
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[00:46:06 - Everybody thinks that, like,
you know, whatever they think about them.] Speaker: 00;46;03;09
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[00:46:10 - But one of the interesting things
that, like I noticed,] Speaker: 00;46;07;27
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[00:46:14 - was that there's
a very disproportionate amount] Speaker: 00;46;10;16
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[00:46:18 - of some sort of abuse] Speaker: 00;46;15;13
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[00:46:21 - having to do with sexual abuse.] Speaker: 00;46;19;09
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[00:46:25 - Yes. And why are those people] Speaker: 00;46;21;24
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[00:46:28 - not shot who abuse them.] Speaker: 00;46;25;00
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[00:46:30 - They're so childhood sexual abuse.] Speaker: 00;46;28;23
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[00:46:33 - CSA is like one of the] Speaker: 00;46;30;28
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[00:46:36 - biggest disruptors of the nervous system.] Speaker: 00;46;34;10
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[00:46:41 - I am I correct in saying that like that
community disproportionately it seems has.] Speaker: 00;46;36;23
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[00:46:44 - What community LGBTQ. Yeah. Yeah.] Speaker: 00;46;41;27
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[00:46:45 - I don't know.] Speaker: 00;46;45;00
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[00:46:48 - I can't make a comment on that because
I don't know, to be honest, I don't know.] Speaker: 00;46;45;13
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[00:46:52 - I do have theories about.] Speaker: 00;46;48;26
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[00:46:55 - Yeah, but they're theories.] Speaker: 00;46;53;26
1

[00:46:56 - They're just theories
and they're not exactly.] Speaker: 00;46;55;05
1

[00:46:58 - Like, why can you talk about theories?] Speaker: 00;46;56;27
1

[00:47:00 - We should be able
to talk about hypotheses.] Speaker: 00;46;58;15
1

[00:47:05 - Well, I do wonder about,
like, human biology, male biology, and,] Speaker: 00;47;00;06
1

[00:47:09 - I don't know, like, I think about myself
during the twist.] Speaker: 00;47;06;23
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[00:47:11 - Shiver went to the the gay bar.] Speaker: 00;47;09;18
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[00:47:12 - Yeah, yeah, yeah, when I was in was.] Speaker: 00;47;11;06
1

[00:47:14 - That wait, that's the one down
like Pittston or Wilkes-Barre, right?] Speaker: 00;47;12;28
1

[00:47:15 - I was in Pittston.] Speaker: 00;47;14;25
1

[00:47:18 - First time I hung up my. Wife and they had
I love that.] Speaker: 00;47;15;20
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[00:47:19 - That's very sweet.] Speaker: 00;47;18;11
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[00:47:22 - Yeah, they had underage nights.
I went, so.] Speaker: 00;47;19;04
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[00:47:24 - In high school,
I used to go with. My wife.] Speaker: 00;47;22;17
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[00:47:25 - Not like a creep.] Speaker: 00;47;24;08
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[00:47:28 - Well, that's that's and that's okay.] Speaker: 00;47;25;28
1

[00:47:33 - So I don't want to put any kind of, like,
negative judgment on.] Speaker: 00;47;28;18
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[00:47:35 - Yeah, I don't know.] Speaker: 00;47;34;11
1

[00:47:38 - I want to be careful with
how I, how I see things, but,] Speaker: 00;47;35;02
1

[00:47:43 - I mean, I would go there with my gay
best friends] Speaker: 00;47;40;01
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[00:47:47 - and we're like 14, 15 years old
and they're my gay] Speaker: 00;47;43;13
1

[00:47:53 - boyfriends are hooking up with you
know, 30 year old gay dudes.] Speaker: 00;47;47;28
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[00:47:54 - It's weird.] Speaker: 00;47;53;09
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[00:47:57 - So like that is prevalent, right?] Speaker: 00;47;54;15
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[00:48:00 - That was like prevalent in so. Sure.] Speaker: 00;47;57;10
1

[00:48:03 - So when I think about things like that
now, I was in therapy for like] Speaker: 00;48;00;25
1

[00:48:07 - the better part of like 20 years
and I just I finally got out.] Speaker: 00;48;04;09
1

[00:48:12 - When I think about that, I look at it
two ways.] Speaker: 00;48;09;04
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[00:48:15 - I look at it that those older men] Speaker: 00;48;12;12
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[00:48:19 - are definitely] Speaker: 00;48;16;06
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[00:48:21 - not being honorable people.] Speaker: 00;48;19;08
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[00:48:22 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;48;21;28
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[00:48:25 - And I think they're taking advantage
of vulnerable people.] Speaker: 00;48;22;17
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[00:48:28 - And then I look at] Speaker: 00;48;26;10
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[00:48:30 - the 15 year olds.] Speaker: 00;48;28;14
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[00:48:34 - And and not to say that
there's something wrong with them,] Speaker: 00;48;30;15
1

[00:48:39 - but something happened in the past
for them to think that that is okay.] Speaker: 00;48;35;17
1

[00:48:42 - Well I also wonder about
like being that makes sense.] Speaker: 00;48;40;01
1

[00:48:45 - Well I wonder about being like a horny
15 year old boy who's gay.] Speaker: 00;48;42;01
1

[00:48:49 - Well, I mean, when,] Speaker: 00;48;46;10
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[00:48:51 - when you take men,] Speaker: 00;48;49;00
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[00:48:54 - and you take out the idea of, of] Speaker: 00;48;51;02
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[00:48:58 - whatever, whatever in nature is the thing
that, like, attracts] Speaker: 00;48;54;14
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[00:49:03 - men to women or blah,
blah, blah, men are pretty much dogs.] Speaker: 00;48;58;21
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[00:49:04 - Yeah. For sure.] Speaker: 00;49;03;12
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[00:49:06 - So now you put dogs with dogs. Yeah.] Speaker: 00;49;04;07
1

[00:49:08 - And it gets real crazy.] Speaker: 00;49;06;20
1

[00:49:09 - Well, that's what I mean.] Speaker: 00;49;08;10
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[00:49:13 - Like, I feel like the 15, like,
I don't think that all 15 year old boys] Speaker: 00;49;09;03
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[00:49:16 - who hook up with 30 year old men] Speaker: 00;49;13;11
1

[00:49:20 - are have some kind of sexual trauma
in their past.] Speaker: 00;49;16;20
1

[00:49:24 - I mean, I will say my best friend,
Eric Rippy, you don't have sexual trauma,] Speaker: 00;49;20;04
1

[00:49:27 - but like both his parents died
when he was, like three years old.] Speaker: 00;49;24;14
1

[00:49:29 - So something happened
this year. He had some. Stuff.] Speaker: 00;49;27;08
1

[00:49:32 - So when I said what I said,
I said something happened in the past.] Speaker: 00;49;29;15
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[00:49:33 - I didn't necessarily mean I would say.] Speaker: 00;49;32;04
1

[00:49:38 - The maybe the the predilection
to engage in risk taking behavior.] Speaker: 00;49;33;25
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[00:49:40 - Risk taking. Maybe that's
what it's called risk behavior.] Speaker: 00;49;38;13
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[00:49:42 - I would say. Yeah, for sure that's true.] Speaker: 00;49;40;24
1

[00:49:48 - I mean, we're going to gate clubs, get in
drink and hypnotic like at 15 years old.] Speaker: 00;49;42;14
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[00:49:51 - Like not in all like act in a fool.] Speaker: 00;49;48;03
1

[00:49:52 - That's a sense of taste.] Speaker: 00;49;51;08
1

[00:49:54 - Like it was blue
and it tastes like onions or something.] Speaker: 00;49;52;02
1

[00:49:54 - I don't even.] Speaker: 00;49;54;12
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[00:49:58 - Remember what it tastes like,
but like that type of that world, though.] Speaker: 00;49;54;24
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[00:50:02 - And, I mean, I'm not gay somehow I have.] Speaker: 00;49;58;25
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[00:50:04 - No, I mean, I love my husband.] Speaker: 00;50;02;04
1

[00:50:04 - He's a good dude.] Speaker: 00;50;04;06
1

[00:50:07 - I don't know, like. He's
a real good. Dude.] Speaker: 00;50;04;24
1

[00:50:09 - I'm not gay sometimes.] Speaker: 00;50;07;05
1

[00:50:11 - Maybe because you love your husband.
I love my husband.] Speaker: 00;50;09;08
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[00:50:13 - Yeah, I, I don't know, I'm bad joke.] Speaker: 00;50;11;15
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[00:50:15 - I'm not going to make my bad joke.] Speaker: 00;50;13;27
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[00:50:17 - But, like,] Speaker: 00;50;16;22
1

[00:50:20 - yeah, like that, that I don't know.] Speaker: 00;50;17;13
1

[00:50:24 - I can't talk about being gay
from as, like, whatever, being gay.] Speaker: 00;50;20;18
1

[00:50:26 - But I do know, like,
yeah, men are horny, right?] Speaker: 00;50;24;03
1

[00:50:30 - 15 year old men or boys, 15 year
old boys are horny.] Speaker: 00;50;26;26
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[00:50:33 - They want attention.
We all want attention.] Speaker: 00;50;30;26
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[00:50:35 - And that's like human in general. Sure.] Speaker: 00;50;33;04
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[00:50:37 - So like the] Speaker: 00;50;35;21
1

[00:50:41 - I don't know I don't know what there is
about like widespread sexual abuse and] Speaker: 00;50;37;11
1

[00:50:46 - I can't make comment about I just started
notice it in the newspaper and stuff.] Speaker: 00;50;41;19
1

[00:50:50 - I'm like in our local newspaper
and it's like once a week or more.] Speaker: 00;50;46;25
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[00:50:53 - There's some sort of.] Speaker: 00;50;50;23
1

[00:50:56 - Yeah, some sort of weird thing
that has happened to do with a child.] Speaker: 00;50;54;00
1

[00:50:57 - With a. Child.] Speaker: 00;50;56;22
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[00:50:57 - Yeah.] Speaker: 00;50;57;11
1

[00:51:00 - I mean, it is and I think about
probably back in Freud say like if,] Speaker: 00;50;57;17
1

[00:51:04 - if the statistics now are like one inch
four women, one inch six boys,] Speaker: 00;51;00;12
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[00:51:08 - which I definitely think is not true,
I think it's probably higher than that,] Speaker: 00;51;04;10
1

[00:51:09 - especially for boys.] Speaker: 00;51;08;04
1

[00:51:11 - I don't think you're wrong.] Speaker: 00;51;09;20
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[00:51:12 - Yeah, I don't think I'm wrong.] Speaker: 00;51;11;11
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[00:51:13 - I think it might be.] Speaker: 00;51;12;14
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[00:51:16 - I've listened to friends talk about, like,] Speaker: 00;51;13;09
1

[00:51:22 - being in the locker room and like,
the coach being there and, like, whipping] Speaker: 00;51;16;01
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[00:51:22 - each other, like,] Speaker: 00;51;22;02
1

[00:51:26 - with towels and, like, hurting each other
and like, making each other be naked.] Speaker: 00;51;22;23
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[00:51:29 - And like, I've listened to a story
like this, and I was like,] Speaker: 00;51;26;25
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[00:51:32 - that's like abuse.] Speaker: 00;51;30;27
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[00:51:33 - Like, that sounds terrible.] Speaker: 00;51;32;04
1

[00:51:36 - And I think about, like,
what were the incentives to make that?] Speaker: 00;51;33;12
1

[00:51:37 - Okay?] Speaker: 00;51;36;08
1

[00:51:40 - Like, how does nobody like how there's no
be in the room go like TV time out?] Speaker: 00;51;37;00
1

[00:51:42 - Well that's. Enough.
What the fuck is going on here?] Speaker: 00;51;40;14
1

[00:51:44 - That's another great area to talk about.] Speaker: 00;51;42;18
1

[00:51:46 - Like group mentality.] Speaker: 00;51;44;27
1

[00:51:50 - Like in why people don't stand up
and say something and also] Speaker: 00;51;46;15
1

[00:51:55 - like even like the, the theoretical
the theory of shame today.] Speaker: 00;51;50;04
1

[00:52:00 - Like why we shame people and like what
shame really does like shame is shame.] Speaker: 00;51;55;12
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[00:52:01 - Good or is it bad?] Speaker: 00;52;00;15
1

[00:52:05 - Depending, I would say I cannot wait
until we evolve as a species] Speaker: 00;52;01;13
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[00:52:09 - to not have shame
and have understanding in connection.] Speaker: 00;52;05;22
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[00:52:10 - Demonize would disagree.] Speaker: 00;52;09;14
1

[00:52:12 - With shame is like a death valley.] Speaker: 00;52;10;20
1

[00:52:14 - Yeah, that shame is like a death valley.] Speaker: 00;52;12;14
1

[00:52:16 - Experience is a dorsal vagal experience.] Speaker: 00;52;14;19
1

[00:52:18 - Like shame is we you.] Speaker: 00;52;16;18
1

[00:52:20 - You cover up like you go
small into yourself that you.] Speaker: 00;52;18;01
1

[00:52:24 - But is there an argument to be like
if you are unashamed because there are] Speaker: 00;52;20;29
1

[00:52:29 - things that are and I think shame maybe
come from a biblical or religious, it's] Speaker: 00;52;24;24
1

[00:52:33 - it has that connotation when you say
like Game of Thrones, shame, shame, shame.] Speaker: 00;52;29;18
1

[00:52:37 - But I think that there needs to be
a certain sense of shame for some things.] Speaker: 00;52;34;05
1

[00:52:40 - Yeah. I mean, it's a human emotion. Sure.
To feel. It.] Speaker: 00;52;37;27
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[00:52:43 - I don't think that like,
you should take Sersi through the] Speaker: 00;52;40;14
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[00:52:46 - through the Game of Thrones
screaming shame for everybody.] Speaker: 00;52;43;20
1

[00:52:48 - But if it's an egregious.] Speaker: 00;52;47;09
1

[00:52:49 - Yeah, well,] Speaker: 00;52;48;23
1

[00:52:53 - the the the theory behind shame was like
when we were, like, hunter gatherers.] Speaker: 00;52;49;09
1

[00:52:53 - Whatever.] Speaker: 00;52;53;17
1

[00:52:56 - Back in the day,
if somebody stepped out of line and like,] Speaker: 00;52;53;29
1

[00:53:00 - that was going to suck up the whole group
safety, so we'd] Speaker: 00;52;56;29
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[00:53:03 - shame them so that they don't do that
shit again and then.] Speaker: 00;53;00;08
1

[00:53:04 - But usually it was like,] Speaker: 00;53;03;27
1

[00:53:09 - you know, if it's like,
oh, like in the movie where, like the guy] Speaker: 00;53;06;05
1

[00:53:12 - was supposed to like stand guard
and fell asleep.] Speaker: 00;53;09;07
1

[00:53:16 - Like maybe a situation like that.] Speaker: 00;53;14;06
1

[00:53:17 - Right.] Speaker: 00;53;16;09
1

[00:53:19 - Because you don't want to do it again.
Great.] Speaker: 00;53;17;04
1

[00:53:23 - I read an article about a guy
and he was overweight] Speaker: 00;53;19;06
1

[00:53:26 - and his friends were really concerned.] Speaker: 00;53;23;29
1

[00:53:27 - They want him around.] Speaker: 00;53;26;20
1

[00:53:30 - They liked him, you know, and it was like] Speaker: 00;53;27;11
1

[00:53:34 - it was a crazy story about like this guy] Speaker: 00;53;31;08
1

[00:53:37 - who ends up like losing all this weight,
being incredibly healthy.] Speaker: 00;53;34;23
1

[00:53:41 - And his, his, his journey to get
there was his one friend every day] Speaker: 00;53;37;28
1

[00:53:46 - would text him in the morning and say,
it's time to go workout, you fat fuck.] Speaker: 00;53;42;01
1

[00:53:49 - Some like, shit like that, like every day.] Speaker: 00;53;46;27
1

[00:53:51 - And this guy actually credits the buddy.] Speaker: 00;53;49;14
1

[00:53:54 - Yeah, I with with making him.] Speaker: 00;53;51;21
1

[00:53:56 - He goes. Finally one day I was like,
you know what?] Speaker: 00;53;54;15
1

[00:53:59 - You're absolutely right.
I can't fucking take it anymore.] Speaker: 00;53;56;08
1

[00:54:02 - I would say that that even that though,
I would see that through this context] Speaker: 00;53;59;02
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[00:54:03 - of either. Okay.] Speaker: 00;54;02;28
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[00:54:07 - So like either
we are always operating ultimately] Speaker: 00;54;03;23
1

[00:54:11 - out of safety and connection
or out of risk in danger.] Speaker: 00;54;07;05
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[00:54:13 - Ultimately,
we're operating out of these two places.] Speaker: 00;54;11;05
1

[00:54:17 - I'm either safe and can be connected
or I'm in danger.] Speaker: 00;54;13;22
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[00:54:18 - Somebody is going to judge me.] Speaker: 00;54;17;03
1

[00:54:20 - People are going to call me fat. Whatever.] Speaker: 00;54;18;13
1

[00:54:24 - Yeah, yeah, just his friend reaching out
to him and connecting with him every day,] Speaker: 00;54;20;05
1

[00:54:28 - even if he's saying like, yeah,
if that fuck go to the gym like that.] Speaker: 00;54;24;18
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[00:54:29 - Seems that's safe.] Speaker: 00;54;28;19
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[00:54:30 - For some reason, it's funny
when you say that.] Speaker: 00;54;29;13
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[00:54:32 - That safety and connection though.] Speaker: 00;54;30;26
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[00:54:34 - That's safety.
That's a sense of safety and connection.] Speaker: 00;54;32;17
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[00:54:37 - I mean, not like what he's saying,
but I know my friend still loves me.] Speaker: 00;54;34;25
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[00:54:39 - But it's I think I think that's] Speaker: 00;54;38;00
1

[00:54:42 - I think that might be a big problem
about what's going on in America.] Speaker: 00;54;39;07
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[00:54:43 - Is that.] Speaker: 00;54;42;22
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[00:54:48 - We ended up being this hivemind.] Speaker: 00;54;45;12
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[00:54:53 - We're where we're supposed to think
that, like, in in isolation. So.] Speaker: 00;54;49;10
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[00:54:55 - And I, I mostly blame,] Speaker: 00;54;53;26
1

[00:54:58 - you know, these things and social media
and stuff like that where it's like,] Speaker: 00;54;55;13
1

[00:55:01 - I remember being back in 2004
when Myspace was a thing,] Speaker: 00;54;58;20
1

[00:55:03 - and I remember looking at my buddy
in film school going like,] Speaker: 00;55;01;21
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[00:55:05 - we were never meant to know
what each other thought.] Speaker: 00;55;03;10
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[00:55:08 - I'm like, that's a dangerous place to be.] Speaker: 00;55;05;13
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[00:55:11 - And it also gives people a lot of freedom
to think that they should.] Speaker: 00;55;08;21
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[00:55:15 - We're back in the day. It was.] Speaker: 00;55;12;28
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[00:55:18 - You'd never know at all
what somebody thought.] Speaker: 00;55;15;04
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[00:55:20 - And you see them at the
at the at the poker game] Speaker: 00;55;18;10
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[00:55:23 - or that the salon or whatever
and you never know.] Speaker: 00;55;20;26
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[00:55:26 - And now we're at
this place where we feel like] Speaker: 00;55;24;03
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[00:55:28 - if somebody says] Speaker: 00;55;27;11
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[00:55:31 - something
or does something that we don't like,] Speaker: 00;55;28;17
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[00:55:35 - we therefore need to stop it in any way
possible.] Speaker: 00;55;31;25
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[00:55:37 - And I think that that's dangerous.
And what has the culture been.] Speaker: 00;55;35;03
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[00:55:41 - The culture is to shame
the culture is to cancel.] Speaker: 00;55;37;24
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[00:55:44 - The culture is. Totally against to. Say,
what's wrong with you?] Speaker: 00;55;41;05
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[00:55:46 - Look at what's wrong with you.
Look at this person.] Speaker: 00;55;44;02
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[00:55:49 - How could somebody be so terrible
and point fingers at that person?] Speaker: 00;55;46;08
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[00:55:51 - That's not safety and connection.] Speaker: 00;55;50;00
1

[00:55:55 - That is only causing more divide,
that is only putting.] Speaker: 00;55;51;11
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[00:55:59 - And that's only teaching us to engage
in that way.] Speaker: 00;55;55;12
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[00:56:00 - Which is incentivized.] Speaker: 00;55;59;20
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[00:56:02 - Which is going to end.
It's incentivized. Right.] Speaker: 00;56;00;27
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[00:56:04 - Because then people
are going to like clap their hands or.] Speaker: 00;56;02;27
1

[00:56:08 - Whatever the like or heart or whatever
when it's dangerous.] Speaker: 00;56;04;22
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[00:56:10 - It it totally is dangerous.] Speaker: 00;56;08;11
1

[00:56:13 - And I mean, I'm a huge I went to
that wrought iron freedom.] Speaker: 00;56;10;13
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[00:56:15 - Tell me, tell me about tell me about.] Speaker: 00;56;13;22
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[00:56:18 - Tell me about Chelsea going now.] Speaker: 00;56;15;18
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[00:56:21 - Okay, let me ask you this question,
because the only basis that I knew] Speaker: 00;56;18;08
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[00:56:25 - for the rod of Iron Festival, I think, was
a vice documentary that I saw. Yes.] Speaker: 00;56;21;19
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[00:56:31 - And then let's say I had my weird
awakening and I started to talk.] Speaker: 00;56;25;21
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[00:56:34 - I didn't look at people now as, like,] Speaker: 00;56;32;04
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[00:56:36 - in a box.] Speaker: 00;56;35;12
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[00:56:38 - I wanted to know who they were,] Speaker: 00;56;36;15
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[00:56:41 - because I think everyone is an individual
and they need to be understood.] Speaker: 00;56;38;00
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[00:56:44 - But I started talking to people who like,
oh man, I go] Speaker: 00;56;42;15
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[00:56:47 - every year and I'm like, yeah,
but it's like a fucking crazy.] Speaker: 00;56;44;23
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[00:56:49 - Like, why would you go to that?] Speaker: 00;56;48;04
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[00:56:52 - Like they and they started
to tell me about it and I'm like,] Speaker: 00;56;49;06
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[00:56:56 - that doesn't seem like everyone's there.] Speaker: 00;56;53;01
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[00:56:59 - Like you would think a cult or something
crazy.] Speaker: 00;56;56;09
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[00:57:01 - And I was supposed to go this year
and I didn't go.] Speaker: 00;56;59;11
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[00:57:05 - And that was the thing that reconnected us
because you said you guys really go] Speaker: 00;57;01;19
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[00:57:06 - because you posted it.] Speaker: 00;57;05;13
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[00:57:08 - I was like, did you really go to that?] Speaker: 00;57;06;12
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[00:57:10 - And you were like, yes, I did.] Speaker: 00;57;08;25
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[00:57:11 - So I how what?] Speaker: 00;57;10;19
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[00:57:14 - Like why what did you think?] Speaker: 00;57;11;28
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[00:57:17 - Why did you go
what was your experience like?] Speaker: 00;57;14;08
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[00:57:18 - Like what did you think before you went?] Speaker: 00;57;17;13
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[00:57:21 - What was your preconceived notions.
So I knew that there.] Speaker: 00;57;18;24
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[00:57:24 - Was like that in a certain group.] Speaker: 00;57;21;12
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[00:57:27 - You going there is foreboding.] Speaker: 00;57;25;05
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[00:57:28 - Oh, yeah.] Speaker: 00;57;27;13
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[00:57:28 - Yeah, for sure.] Speaker: 00;57;28;09
1

[00:57:32 - And I think two people thought that me
and my friend went like,] Speaker: 00;57;28;26
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[00:57:36 - well, somebody said this to me,
somebody said like, oh,] Speaker: 00;57;33;15
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[00:57:39 - I'm glad you didn't
just go there to make fun of them.] Speaker: 00;57;36;00
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[00:57:40 - I said, oh yeah.] Speaker: 00;57;39;24
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[00:57:43 - I said, yeah, that was not our M.O..] Speaker: 00;57;40;27
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[00:57:45 - I mean, we did have like some whoa.] Speaker: 00;57;43;02
1

[00:57:48 - There's some goofy moments.
And there was lots.] Speaker: 00;57;45;26
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[00:57:51 - Yeah, there's lots of experiences
that like, okay, yeah, this] Speaker: 00;57;48;11
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[00:57:55 - because I am you know, I said this before
we started doing this, like,] Speaker: 00;57;51;29
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[00:58:00 - I know that politically we might seem
to be very on different sides, whatever.] Speaker: 00;57;55;21
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[00:58:03 - But in reality, I think, no,
but that's a truth in reality.] Speaker: 00;58;00;14
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[00:58:07 - Like I just want to connect with people
and I want to like, understand] Speaker: 00;58;03;27
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[00:58:08 - what people believe.] Speaker: 00;58;07;12
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[00:58:10 - And I was talking to Ed about this
last night to] Speaker: 00;58;08;18
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[00:58:11 - I was like,] Speaker: 00;58;10;12
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[00:58:13 - you know, I think one of the best ways
to connect with people is to like,] Speaker: 00;58;11;01
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[00:58:16 - go into a conversation with somebody
who thinks differently than me and, like,] Speaker: 00;58;13;11
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[00:58:22 - look for where I can expand my worldview
and be shown that I'm] Speaker: 00;58;17;17
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[00:58:26 - either incorrect about something
or like maybe there's a different way] Speaker: 00;58;22;17
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[00:58:27 - of thinking about something.] Speaker: 00;58;26;03
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[00:58:29 - Or I don't agree and I don't hate. You
and like, well, yeah.] Speaker: 00;58;27;18
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[00:58:33 - And that's like the ultimate thing
that I want to do to people is be like,] Speaker: 00;58;29;24
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[00:58:36 - oh, I'm somebody who,
like, is on the left,] Speaker: 00;58;33;02
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[00:58:42 - who like, also like, loves Jesus and like,
wants to like you love Jesus.] Speaker: 00;58;37;02
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[00:58:44 - I, I do love Jesus. Good for you.] Speaker: 00;58;42;14
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[00:58:45 - Yeah. For you.] Speaker: 00;58;44;13
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[00:58:46 - But I love Jesus.] Speaker: 00;58;45;02
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[00:58:51 - And like how Christians would
how like a lot of Christians would call me] Speaker: 00;58;46;01
1

[00:58:55 - probably like a Satanist, or at least
I would have like in the weirdo] Speaker: 00;58;51;20
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[00:58:58 - Christian churches
I went to when I was a teenager.] Speaker: 00;58;55;17
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[00:59:02 - Like, because I do believe in Christ
consciousness like I do believe] Speaker: 00;58;59;02
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[00:59:03 - in the Holy Spirit.] Speaker: 00;59;02;17
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[00:59:06 - I do believe in like I want to
live my life so that I can be a vessel.] Speaker: 00;59;03;09
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[00:59:08 - I understand all the Christ consciousness.] Speaker: 00;59;06;18
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[00:59:11 - Totally different now. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I, I never really understood it.] Speaker: 00;59;08;04
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[00:59:12 - I was never open to it.] Speaker: 00;59;11;01
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[00:59:15 - And the church like the West, like,
nothing can make me depressed.] Speaker: 00;59;12;05
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[00:59:18 - Like Western Christianity,
like the Bible is so beautiful] Speaker: 00;59;15;15
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[00:59:21 - and like what they've done,
what has happened] Speaker: 00;59;18;24
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[00:59:23 - ultimately, like through the state,
in order to like, control people.] Speaker: 00;59;21;08
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[00:59:26 - Really, it's all.
I think it's all a system of control.] Speaker: 00;59;23;26
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[00:59:30 - It is like to take the esoteric,
like the actual experience, the divinity,] Speaker: 00;59;26;00
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[00:59:35 - the thing that doesn't have words like
the spiritual experience to take that away] Speaker: 00;59;30;15
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[00:59:39 - so far away and just be with the exoteric,
just be with the read] Speaker: 00;59;35;05
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[00:59:42 - the book, do the thing, do this
or you're going to go to hell.] Speaker: 00;59;39;01
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[00:59:43 - Do this.] Speaker: 00;59;42;16
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[00:59:46 - La la la, stand up,
sit down, sing these boring songs.] Speaker: 00;59;43;07
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[00:59:48 - But like, what is the reason?
The reason is really.] Speaker: 00;59;46;08
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[00:59:52 - Oh, it's supposed to help
you have an experience with the divine.] Speaker: 00;59;48;17
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[00:59:54 - But that's not really what's happening.] Speaker: 00;59;52;24
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[00:59:57 - People. I don't see people] Speaker: 00;59;54;27
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[01:00:00 - I if that was happening,
we would be in a different world.] Speaker: 00;59;57;01
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[01:00:03 - And I think. About
I think I think when it comes to religion,] Speaker: 01;00;00;05
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[01:00:07 - I don't think I don't think it matters
what religion it is.] Speaker: 01;00;05;00
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[01:00:10 - No, I think I think there will be
those charlatans that come in] Speaker: 01;00;07;08
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[01:00:14 - and and it's not just like,
oh, you're a priest of the cloth] Speaker: 01;00;11;01
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[01:00:18 - means that you're totally you're the
you have your degree in psychology.] Speaker: 01;00;14;08
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[01:00:20 - You must be able to talk to anyone.
It's so great.] Speaker: 01;00;18;03
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[01:00:22 - I think there's monsters
that hide in these places.] Speaker: 01;00;20;11
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[01:00:23 - Yeah. For sure.] Speaker: 01;00;22;27
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[01:00:27 - And I think within
I think it's a, it's a, it's a weird evil] Speaker: 01;00;23;26
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[01:00:33 - where they want people
to not follow this or this, but them 100%.] Speaker: 01;00;27;25
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[01:00:36 - Yeah. And so don't think that like,] Speaker: 01;00;33;17
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[01:00:39 - I think people need to like
really rationalize with that because] Speaker: 01;00;36;09
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[01:00:45 - just like any institution or whatever,
it gets bastardized real quick] Speaker: 01;00;39;20
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[01:00:48 - and it gets taken over by by evil
charlatans, of course.] Speaker: 01;00;45;15
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[01:00:51 - And you think that they're right. Yeah.] Speaker: 01;00;49;07
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[01:00:53 - And you're told that you're not.] Speaker: 01;00;51;25
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[01:00:54 - You know, this is the other thing too.] Speaker: 01;00;53;16
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[01:00:59 - Like you're not wise enough,
smart enough, good enough to be able] Speaker: 01;00;54;23
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[01:01:01 - to like, understand things on your own
or experience] Speaker: 01;00;59;17
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[01:01:05 - things on your own, like,
and that's not true like that.] Speaker: 01;01;01;29
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[01:01:07 - You need to have like,] Speaker: 01;01;05;26
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[01:01:09 - I mean,] Speaker: 01;01;08;26
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[01:01:12 - I, I also
believe like religion is the exoteric] Speaker: 01;01;09;07
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[01:01:16 - and then their spirituality,
which is like the esoteric.] Speaker: 01;01;13;05
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[01:01:20 - I think one is like the believing of and
the other one is the practice of, yeah.] Speaker: 01;01;16;29
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[01:01:22 - I would, I would also,
I would put it that,] Speaker: 01;01;20;15
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[01:01:26 - that seems to line up
with my own understanding.] Speaker: 01;01;22;21
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[01:01:28 - I didn't change,
I didn't change my jersey.] Speaker: 01;01;26;18
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[01:01:29 - The movie stigmata.] Speaker: 01;01;28;01
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[01:01:32 - No. Are you familiar with it? Slightly.] Speaker: 01;01;29;16
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[01:01:32 - It's like.] Speaker: 01;01;32;03
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[01:01:33 - Patricia Arquette.] Speaker: 01;01;32;13
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[01:01:37 - Like it was like in the late 90s and
she was experiencing the wounds of Christ.] Speaker: 01;01;33;05
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[01:01:40 - And I was always fascinated with religion.] Speaker: 01;01;38;01
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[01:01:43 - And there's a line in there,
and I don't know if it's true.] Speaker: 01;01;40;18
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[01:01:44 - I don't think it's true.] Speaker: 01;01;43;21
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[01:01:46 - I think it was written by a writer in LA.] Speaker: 01;01;44;20
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[01:01:48 - But the line] Speaker: 01;01;47;28
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[01:01:51 - is, it's it's about the lost
gospels of Christ.] Speaker: 01;01;48;17
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[01:01:54 - Which come to find out, the Gnostic
gospels and they never let them.] Speaker: 01;01;51;21
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[01:01:58 - And the line is, I am not in buildings] Speaker: 01;01;55;11
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[01:02:01 - made of stone or houses made of wood,
I am everywhere.] Speaker: 01;01;58;08
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[01:02:02 - Which is a total thing] Speaker: 01;02;01;14
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[01:02:05 - that because the movie's
about like crumbling the Catholic Church] Speaker: 01;02;02;27
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[01:02:09 - and I always found that like that would be
like why do I need to go to a place.] Speaker: 01;02;06;19
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[01:02:10 - Yeah.] Speaker: 01;02;09;21
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[01:02:13 - Why, why can't I just be.] Speaker: 01;02;10;02
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[01:02:16 - And then I found out the church
is like anytime two people get together,] Speaker: 01;02;13;20
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[01:02:20 - it's church and and it's
but to your point, they take it] Speaker: 01;02;16;02
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[01:02:24 - and they turn it into something that is
not what the original intention was.] Speaker: 01;02;20;20
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[01:02:26 - And that makes me cry.] Speaker: 01;02;24;16
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[01:02:28 - It makes me so sad.] Speaker: 01;02;26;06
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[01:02:30 - It makes me so sad.] Speaker: 01;02;28;17
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[01:02:30 - Yeah.] Speaker: 01;02;30;05
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[01:02:32 - So I love Jesus.] Speaker: 01;02;30;18
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[01:02:35 - On the left I have spiritual life.] Speaker: 01;02;32;15
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[01:02:37 - I try to live my life intentionally.] Speaker: 01;02;35;03
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[01:02:40 - I try to, yeah,
I try to live my life intentionally.] Speaker: 01;02;37;01
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[01:02:43 - And I don't know, I just want to.] Speaker: 01;02;40;18
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[01:02:47 - I also have the privilege of being able
to sit with people] Speaker: 01;02;43;02
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[01:02:52 - and get to know people
who, if it was me, like it,] Speaker: 01;02;47;15
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[01:02:57 - who have different ways of thinking,
viewing, understanding the world.] Speaker: 01;02;52;17
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[01:03:00 - And I have the privilege of like] Speaker: 01;02;58;01
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[01:03:03 - being a safe person to them,
not judging them.] Speaker: 01;03;00;24
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[01:03:05 - It's a big responsibility too, and.] Speaker: 01;03;03;22
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[01:03:07 - It's it's a privilege.] Speaker: 01;03;05;23
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[01:03:10 - I feel so lucky to to like, have my job.] Speaker: 01;03;07;01
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[01:03:15 - To be honest, I feel extremely privileged
to have a job that I love.] Speaker: 01;03;10;16
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[01:03:19 - Ultimately, if I had to do straight
CBT therapy with people all day long] Speaker: 01;03;15;27
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[01:03:23 - and that cognitive behavioral therapy,
it's like what?] Speaker: 01;03;19;27
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[01:03:26 - Like ultimately like, yeah, it's lineage.] Speaker: 01;03;23;07
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[01:03:29 - Definitely.
You know, you can trace it back to Freud.] Speaker: 01;03;27;03
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[01:03:32 - You know, like it's
what everybody learns how to practice.] Speaker: 01;03;29;13
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[01:03:36 - You know, I have thoughts I have feelings
that's been I live my life.] Speaker: 01;03;32;26
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[01:03:37 - That's all true.] Speaker: 01;03;36;13
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[01:03:40 - But like if I'm not in control
of the first thoughts] Speaker: 01;03;37;11
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[01:03:44 - that I have about things
because my nervous system is activated.] Speaker: 01;03;40;13
1

[01:03:47 - So when I win the lottery ticket
and my first thought is like, great,] Speaker: 01;03;44;12
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[01:03:49 - I'm going to have to pay taxes.] Speaker: 01;03;47;14
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[01:03:53 - And I like feel, you know, because I'm
just have this depressed body going on.] Speaker: 01;03;49;08
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[01:03:54 - So that's the first spot.] Speaker: 01;03;53;13
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[01:03:57 - And then I complain about it
and then that's my world.] Speaker: 01;03;54;22
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[01:03:59 - Yeah. Right. Like that's I don't know.] Speaker: 01;03;57;16
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[01:04:04 - We have to like help the body
regulate like total somatic practices.] Speaker: 01;03;59;29
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[01:04:06 - Okay. Rod of iron.] Speaker: 01;04;04;17
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[01:04:08 - Why is a great time.
What did you great time.] Speaker: 01;04;06;09
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[01:04:10 - When did you hear about it.
What did you think about it?] Speaker: 01;04;08;25
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[01:04:12 - I saw the vice documentary.] Speaker: 01;04;10;27
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[01:04:14 - And then I saw, like a few years ago.] Speaker: 01;04;12;17
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[01:04:15 - I got really into it.] Speaker: 01;04;14;23
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[01:04:19 - I research, I did see like the connections
to like the Unification] Speaker: 01;04;15;17
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[01:04:24 - Church in Korea,
you know, like the Moonies, which I don't.] Speaker: 01;04;19;29
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[01:04:25 - Know, the moons.] Speaker: 01;04;24;06
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[01:04:25 - Yeah.] Speaker: 01;04;25;08
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[01:04:28 - So I was interested in that.] Speaker: 01;04;25;19
1

[01:04:30 - And I saw they had General Flynn
last year.] Speaker: 01;04;28;12
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[01:04:34 - I saw they had Sebastian Gorka
the year before that.] Speaker: 01;04;30;21
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[01:04:36 - I really wanted to see Sebastian Gorka.] Speaker: 01;04;34;15
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[01:04:38 - Do you know who
they were supposed to have this year.] Speaker: 01;04;36;17
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[01:04:39 - Didn't go. No. Who?] Speaker: 01;04;38;06
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[01:04:42 - Roseanne Barr
oh that would have been great.] Speaker: 01;04;39;12
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[01:04:42 - Supposed to go.] Speaker: 01;04;42;12
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[01:04:44 - But she's shooting a TV show now.] Speaker: 01;04;42;28
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[01:04:46 - The, I mean, Michael
Flynn was a great speaker.] Speaker: 01;04;44;11
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[01:04:49 - Did you go to the gun
shoot the night before? No.] Speaker: 01;04;46;29
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[01:04:51 - But you know, what's so funny is
there was like,] Speaker: 01;04;49;06
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[01:04:54 - okay, so I went with
one of my dearly beloved friends.] Speaker: 01;04;51;02
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[01:04:55 - Yeah.] Speaker: 01;04;54;28
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[01:04:59 - Who now is this person
considered politically where.] Speaker: 01;04;55;18
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[01:05:01 - She would be on the left.] Speaker: 01;04;59;09
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[01:05:02 - Okay.] Speaker: 01;05;01;25
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[01:05:03 - She would be on the left with me.] Speaker: 01;05;02;03
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[01:05:05 - See you guys. Theoretically] Speaker: 01;05;03;24
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[01:05:08 - went into the Devil's Den.] Speaker: 01;05;06;28
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[01:05:09 - Yeah, okay. We were.] Speaker: 01;05;08;15
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[01:05:13 - And we do so much attention,
like we drew, like, so much] Speaker: 01;05;09;22
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[01:05:17 - like when we walked in with General
Flynn was speaking when we walked in.] Speaker: 01;05;13;23
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[01:05:18 - And they have the sheriffs, like,
standing there,] Speaker: 01;05;17;02
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[01:05:22 - like just looking at people and like,
we walked in and,] Speaker: 01;05;18;25
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[01:05:27 - the one sheriff just stared at me
and her the entire time.] Speaker: 01;05;23;23
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[01:05:30 - I don't know if they thought we were going
to, like, make a racket or.] Speaker: 01;05;27;17
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[01:05:32 - Yeah, I have a feeling] Speaker: 01;05;31;02
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[01:05:36 - they did ask if we, you know,
General Flynn took questions at the end.] Speaker: 01;05;32;11
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[01:05:38 - I really wanted to ask a question,
but I was like,] Speaker: 01;05;36;10
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[01:05:41 - that'll put a mark on my back for the
I wasn't going to ask any question.] Speaker: 01;05;38;13
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[01:05:45 - I wanted to ask him about the terminology] Speaker: 01;05;41;26
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[01:05:49 - and labeling Antifa
as a domestic terrorist group.] Speaker: 01;05;45;00
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[01:05:52 - While the website that they have
explaining the root of iron,] Speaker: 01;05;49;00
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[01:05:57 - says that they are against fascism.] Speaker: 01;05;55;01
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[01:06:01 - So I wanted to draw that connection
between somebody on the left] Speaker: 01;05;57;13
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[01:06:06 - who's anti-fascist, which with their group] Speaker: 01;06;01;18
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[01:06:09 - that says that they are also against
fascism.] Speaker: 01;06;06;05
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[01:06:10 - It's an interesting thing.] Speaker: 01;06;09;10
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[01:06:12 - This is the thing
I've been trying to understand.] Speaker: 01;06;10;26
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[01:06:13 - The last five years is
how do people like you] Speaker: 01;06;12;04
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[01:06:16 - and I see the same thing
and come to different conclusions.] Speaker: 01;06;13;29
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[01:06:21 - Because of all of our different lived
experiences that bring us to these points.] Speaker: 01;06;17;12
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[01:06:23 - But then we get
to have these conversations] Speaker: 01;06;21;06
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[01:06:25 - and then like, you get to understand me,
I get to understand you.] Speaker: 01;06;23;19
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[01:06:28 - Hopefully people listening to this.] Speaker: 01;06;25;26
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[01:06:29 - Who what they do, who.] Speaker: 01;06;28;08
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[01:06:34 - Maybe find themselves, you know, more on
on the right or whatever, hear me talk.] Speaker: 01;06;29;13
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[01:06:36 - That is my hope.] Speaker: 01;06;34;25
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[01:06:38 - That is why I went to the the festival.] Speaker: 01;06;36;09
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[01:06:41 - That's
why I want to go to other places and just.] Speaker: 01;06;38;17
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[01:06:42 - Let me take it.] Speaker: 01;06;41;26
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[01:06:44 - I kind person.] Speaker: 01;06;42;14
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[01:06:46 - I would like to think you'd be surprised.] Speaker: 01;06;44;05
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[01:06:49 - Well,
I'm sure like I mean, I'm sure about it.] Speaker: 01;06;46;15
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[01:06:51 - Like people will be.] Speaker: 01;06;49;25
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[01:06:53 - The people are receptive and kind to us.] Speaker: 01;06;51;22
1

[01:06:56 - And my friend though,
there was like a baby shooting contest.] Speaker: 01;06;53;15
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[01:06:56 - How'd you do?] Speaker: 01;06;56;09
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[01:06:58 - She definitely won.] Speaker: 01;06;56;29
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[01:07:00 - Like, she's a great shot.] Speaker: 01;06;58;19
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[01:07:04 - Like she's a great
she's a talented person, a great shot.] Speaker: 01;07;00;07
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[01:07:07 - And like,
she definitely like she definitely one.] Speaker: 01;07;04;16
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[01:07:10 - You had to do it from both days
and we couldn't go the second time okay.] Speaker: 01;07;07;09
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[01:07:11 - So I got yeah yeah yeah.] Speaker: 01;07;10;11
1

[01:07:14 - But like yeah they like.
So is everybody nice to you.] Speaker: 01;07;11;15
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[01:07:16 - Yeah. And people are finding ways
to come up and talk to us.] Speaker: 01;07;14;06
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[01:07:19 - Like we're literally like eating
or everybody eat] Speaker: 01;07;16;19
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[01:07:22 - but everybody like
needed to come up and ask us.] Speaker: 01;07;19;29
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[01:07:23 - Like, what are you doing?] Speaker: 01;07;22;06
1

[01:07:26 - How our food is okay.
What's the food like?] Speaker: 01;07;23;04
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[01:07:30 - She talked Japanese to the one lady
there is like equal Asian,] Speaker: 01;07;26;05
1

[01:07:33 - East Asian Americans.] Speaker: 01;07;30;23
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[01:07:35 - East diverse group of.] Speaker: 01;07;33;24
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[01:07:37 - Versus white people.] Speaker: 01;07;35;01
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[01:07:39 - I saw two black women.] Speaker: 01;07;37;11
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[01:07:42 - Yeah, it was mostly Asian and. Yeah.] Speaker: 01;07;39;20
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[01:07:44 - Caucasian. Yes. 100%. Yeah.] Speaker: 01;07;42;01
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[01:07:46 - Were you nervous?] Speaker: 01;07;46;00
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[01:07:49 - And there is older people? No.
Because like like rolling up.] Speaker: 01;07;46;20
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[01:07:52 - Were you nervous?
I love people like I did.] Speaker: 01;07;49;16
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[01:07:53 - Like I was not nervous.] Speaker: 01;07;52;09
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[01:07:56 - I was like, yeah, I wasn't nervous.] Speaker: 01;07;53;21
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[01:07:58 - I had no fears about it.] Speaker: 01;07;56;28
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[01:08:00 - The same with my friend who was like,
yeah, we'll go.] Speaker: 01;07;58;10
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[01:08:05 - And like, I don't know if I know,
I knew then nobody's going to be like, oh,] Speaker: 01;08;00;20
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[01:08:09 - we can smell that you voted for Bernie
Sanders.] Speaker: 01;08;06;09
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[01:08:10 - Like, get out of here.] Speaker: 01;08;09;15
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[01:08:11 - Like I knew that wasn't going to happen.] Speaker: 01;08;10;12
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[01:08:14 - I got to wear, like,
my camel skirts that I've never gotten to] Speaker: 01;08;11;23
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[01:08:18 - where I like, wore this gun t shirt
that I've had that I never got to wear.] Speaker: 01;08;14;27
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[01:08:19 - It was a great time.] Speaker: 01;08;18;12
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[01:08:21 - It was so much fun. Like, so how was it?] Speaker: 01;08;19;05
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[01:08:22 - What was your feeling when you left?] Speaker: 01;08;21;18
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[01:08:27 - Your perception
changed, your opinions change.] Speaker: 01;08;24;23
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[01:08:31 - Was just that] Speaker: 01;08;28;12
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[01:08:34 - I can see] Speaker: 01;08;31;04
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[01:08:37 - the two things stood out to me.] Speaker: 01;08;35;11
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[01:08:40 - Well, I guess three number one is how nice
everybody was.] Speaker: 01;08;37;18
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[01:08:43 - Number two] Speaker: 01;08;42;18
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[01:08:46 - was that there is two things that I did
take issue with.] Speaker: 01;08;43;29
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[01:08:48 - I was like being communicated there.] Speaker: 01;08;46;29
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[01:08:51 - That really bummed me out.] Speaker: 01;08;48;23
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[01:08:54 - Which was like fascism equals communism,
which] Speaker: 01;08;51;28
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[01:08:57 - also equals socialism,
which also equals fascism somehow.] Speaker: 01;08;54;16
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[01:08:59 - Like it's called the horseshoe theory.] Speaker: 01;08;57;22
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[01:09:03 - That fascism just is like communism
and socialism.] Speaker: 01;08;59;09
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[01:09:07 - And that's obviously dangerous for people] Speaker: 01;09;04;08
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[01:09:11 - to think that fascism equals
communism or socialism.] Speaker: 01;09;07;08
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[01:09:14 - Because that's I agree, I agree with that.] Speaker: 01;09;12;14
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[01:09:17 - And you know why?] Speaker: 01;09;14;02
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[01:09:19 - Because as we said before,
I don't think anybody should tell] Speaker: 01;09;18;04
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[01:09:23 - anybody what to do,
think anybody should subjugate people.] Speaker: 01;09;19;29
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[01:09:24 - Yeah.] Speaker: 01;09;23;23
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[01:09:26 - The problem] Speaker: 01;09;25;19
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[01:09:29 - with the problem with any of these isms] Speaker: 01;09;26;09
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[01:09:33 - is that it it all branches
from the root of authoritarianism.] Speaker: 01;09;29;11
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[01:09:36 - Yeah. Fascism does. Yeah. For sure.] Speaker: 01;09;34;17
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[01:09:38 - Well, so does communism,
because it's all it's] Speaker: 01;09;36;11
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[01:09:41 - always some authority
telling you what you can and cannot do.] Speaker: 01;09;38;15
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[01:09:43 - And it's usually the and it's the state.] Speaker: 01;09;41;29
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[01:09:46 - Yeah. And the state is telling you.
I would agree with that.] Speaker: 01;09;43;19
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[01:09:49 - But also I would think that democracy] Speaker: 01;09;46;08
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[01:09:52 - is also that.] Speaker: 01;09;49;24
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[01:09:54 - Well, I mean, I guess it all boils] Speaker: 01;09;53;02
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[01:09:57 - down to at the end of the day,
it's like, what?] Speaker: 01;09;54;13
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[01:10:00 - Do you know how many people,
how many Bolsheviks it took] Speaker: 01;09;58;10
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[01:10:04 - to overthrow the monarchy and Russia,
the Romanoff monarchy to usher and.] Speaker: 01;10;00;10
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[01:10:06 - No idea. Lenin?] Speaker: 01;10;04;14
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[01:10:07 - No idea.] Speaker: 01;10;06;06
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[01:10:12 - 6000 is a small amount of
people and and most people.] Speaker: 01;10;07;01
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[01:10:15 - The thing that makes me have fear] Speaker: 01;10;14;09
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[01:10:20 - is that most people
when when push comes to shove.] Speaker: 01;10;15;24
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[01:10:23 - Yes, they would rather.] Speaker: 01;10;20;15
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[01:10:25 - What was,
the nerve that. Makes you freeze?] Speaker: 01;10;23;05
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[01:10:26 - Yeah. You're gonna hide?] Speaker: 01;10;25;14
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[01:10:28 - Yes. And most people freeze.] Speaker: 01;10;26;20
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[01:10:30 - Yes. And brave people are very few.] Speaker: 01;10;28;08
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[01:10:32 - That is true.] Speaker: 01;10;30;17
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[01:10:33 - 100%.] Speaker: 01;10;32;09
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[01:10:35 - And that's what happens in these.] Speaker: 01;10;33;11
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[01:10:40 - And the idea of communism
and socialism and fascism, which I believe] Speaker: 01;10;35;07
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[01:10:43 - fascism was coined by Mussolini.] Speaker: 01;10;40;02
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[01:10:45 - And he he he defined it] Speaker: 01;10;43;26
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[01:10:48 - as a marriage
between the state and corporations.] Speaker: 01;10;45;25
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[01:10:50 - That's how Mussolini. Did.] Speaker: 01;10;49;15
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[01:10:55 - I know that fascism is linked
like its origins is linked to Italy.] Speaker: 01;10;50;15
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[01:10:58 - Yeah. Yeah.
So that was like during Hitler's time.] Speaker: 01;10;55;20
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[01:11:02 - So like, you have the Nazis up north
and then down south was Mussolini,] Speaker: 01;10;58;03
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[01:11:03 - who was considered the fascists.] Speaker: 01;11;02;05
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[01:11:07 - They just had a different way of doing it.] Speaker: 01;11;05;04
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[01:11:11 - But it all led to the same place,
which is not good for human beings.] Speaker: 01;11;07;15
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[01:11:12 - Yeah.] Speaker: 01;11;11;28
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[01:11:15 - I mean, fascism ultimately is just like,] Speaker: 01;11;12;04
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[01:11:20 - you know, it's just a way to enforce
power.] Speaker: 01;11;15;29
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[01:11:23 - It is it is can really define it.] Speaker: 01;11;20;14
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[01:11:25 - That's the problem
with communism, fascism, socialism.] Speaker: 01;11;23;09
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[01:11:27 - Well,
they can give examples of what it is.] Speaker: 01;11;25;22
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[01:11:29 - You can't define it.] Speaker: 01;11;27;24
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[01:11:30 - Well, I would say fascism.] Speaker: 01;11;29;16
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[01:11:36 - I'd say
fascism is the is the application of a] Speaker: 01;11;30;25
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[01:11:39 - authoritarian is,
over any type of government.] Speaker: 01;11;36;13
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[01:11:41 - But that's all forms.] Speaker: 01;11;40;16
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[01:11:42 - That's monarchies.] Speaker: 01;11;41;17
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[01:11:44 - Yeah. That fascism could be applied
to a monarchy.] Speaker: 01;11;42;21
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[01:11:48 - Fascism could be applied to a democracy,
communism, socialism.] Speaker: 01;11;44;21
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[01:11:52 - And there's and there's social and there's
only a certain group in charge.] Speaker: 01;11;48;11
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[01:11:54 - And everyone else has to be subservient
to them. Yeah.] Speaker: 01;11;52;05
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[01:11:57 - And that's and that's this is where] Speaker: 01;11;54;25
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[01:12:01 - I had the same experience, where I'm like,
what the fuck?] Speaker: 01;11;58;08
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[01:12:03 - Like, what is fascism? What is communism?] Speaker: 01;12;01;03
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[01:12:05 - And I didn't think,] Speaker: 01;12;03;11
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[01:12:08 - you know, I didn't know what to look for
because no one could define it.] Speaker: 01;12;05;06
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[01:12:09 - It's like,] Speaker: 01;12;08;06
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[01:12:10 - here's a bird.] Speaker: 01;12;09;23
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[01:12:12 - How do I know it's a bird? Here's a TV.] Speaker: 01;12;10;21
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[01:12:13 - How do I know it's a TV?] Speaker: 01;12;12;17
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[01:12:16 - When it comes to these political words,] Speaker: 01;12;13;17
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[01:12:19 - they really can't be defined,
so you really can't identify them.] Speaker: 01;12;16;26
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[01:12:22 - I think that some of that, it. Becomes
like the surface.] Speaker: 01;12;19;26
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[01:12:25 - Whole. Well,
I think that some of that is purposeful.] Speaker: 01;12;22;15
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[01:12:28 - I think that some of it is like that
we were there and like literally] Speaker: 01;12;25;05
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[01:12:32 - just being like,
communism equals socialism equals] Speaker: 01;12;28;17
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[01:12:37 - fascism equals socialism equals
like all of that was like,] Speaker: 01;12;32;17
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[01:12:41 - yeah, this is just to confuse people like
this is to just like keep people] Speaker: 01;12;37;07
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[01:12:46 - into believing that communism is the same
thing as socialism, people, same thing.] Speaker: 01;12;41;24
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[01:12:48 - I'm telling you, there's people
in that crowd] Speaker: 01;12;46;02
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[01:12:51 - that it made total sense to,
and it would have made total sense to me.] Speaker: 01;12;48;20
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[01:12:53 - But I do.] Speaker: 01;12;52;17
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[01:12:54 - I'd wonder about that, though.] Speaker: 01;12;53;02
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[01:12:57 - If it's called the horseshoe theory.] Speaker: 01;12;54;17
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[01:12:59 - Took me here this] Speaker: 01;12;57;14
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[01:13:02 - so here's right here's left here's] Speaker: 01;12;59;09
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[01:13:07 - they say the the the right
the the right will lead to fascism.] Speaker: 01;13;03;04
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[01:13:08 - The left will lead to communism.] Speaker: 01;13;07;02
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[01:13:11 - That's how they that's how they define it.] Speaker: 01;13;08;24
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[01:13:12 - Right.] Speaker: 01;13;11;02
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[01:13:16 - The problem is, is that right here at the
At no matter which side you go,] Speaker: 01;13;12;11
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[01:13:19 - you end up with authoritarianism.] Speaker: 01;13;17;15
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[01:13:20 - So it doesn't matter
whether you go this way.] Speaker: 01;13;19;02
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[01:13:21 - Why would you say that.] Speaker: 01;13;20;12
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[01:13:25 - We don't we don't have the same definition] Speaker: 01;13;21;05
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[01:13:28 - here in fascism of fascism,] Speaker: 01;13;25;23
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[01:13:32 - that you and I don't have
the same definition of fascism.] Speaker: 01;13;29;02
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[01:13:34 - I don't care,
I don't care what the definition is.] Speaker: 01;13;32;14
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[01:13:36 - I just know where it leads.] Speaker: 01;13;34;12
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[01:13:38 - Yeah, I'd say I'd say that. Fascists!] Speaker: 01;13;36;06
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[01:13:41 - You realize how frustrating it is for
somebody like me to be called a fascist?] Speaker: 01;13;38;13
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[01:13:44 - And I'm like, I, it's
the last thing in the world that I want.] Speaker: 01;13;41;25
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[01:13:47 - Yeah, I think that we need like,
I, I think that which.] Speaker: 01;13;45;05
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[01:13:50 - Means I don't think people, I don't
people. Have no sense. Of definition.] Speaker: 01;13;47;28
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[01:13:53 - People have no idea
that's a problem. Like, that's a problem.] Speaker: 01;13;50;14
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[01:13:54 - I totally recommend anybody] Speaker: 01;13;53;13
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[01:13:58 - listening to read Michael Penney's book
Black Shirts versus Reds.] Speaker: 01;13;54;17
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[01:14:02 - He gives a really good description
or good definition of fascism.] Speaker: 01;13;58;10
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[01:14:05 - He talks about fascism starting in Italy.] Speaker: 01;14;03;00
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[01:14:07 - And then, you know, through the Nazis.] Speaker: 01;14;05;01
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[01:14:10 - And like even there's like debate over
whatever, who care.] Speaker: 01;14;07;03
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[01:14:13 - I don't I'm not skilled
enough, learned enough to even] Speaker: 01;14;10;15
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[01:14:15 - scratch the surface of this.] Speaker: 01;14;14;10
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[01:14:18 - But like whether or not like the Nazis
were fascists, they definitely were.] Speaker: 01;14;15;21
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[01:14:23 - But like that fascism ultimately is like
this authoritarian flavor, you know?] Speaker: 01;14;19;02
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[01:14:26 - Can I do you know what Nazi stands for?] Speaker: 01;14;24;06
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[01:14:28 - National socialists?] Speaker: 01;14;26;14
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[01:14:30 - Yeah, they were socialists.] Speaker: 01;14;28;14
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[01:14:32 - Well, they were National Socialists.] Speaker: 01;14;30;03
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[01:14:33 - See what I mean?] Speaker: 01;14;32;19
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[01:14:35 - But so so. So but this is okay.] Speaker: 01;14;33;17
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[01:14:36 - So I do know this about the history] Speaker: 01;14;35;14
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[01:14:41 - of fascism in Italy, which is it
was linked to having nationalism] Speaker: 01;14;36;26
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[01:14:44 - like that is really how they got
into the hearts of people saying like,] Speaker: 01;14;41;11
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[01:14:46 - what are so let's, let's.] Speaker: 01;14;44;18
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[01:14:47 - Let's define nationalism.] Speaker: 01;14;46;04
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[01:14:49 - How do you define that.] Speaker: 01;14;47;12
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[01:14:52 - Love and allegiance to your country?] Speaker: 01;14;49;01
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[01:14:54 - Why is that bad?] Speaker: 01;14;52;24
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[01:14:55 - I'm not saying that it's bad. Okay.] Speaker: 01;14;54;08
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[01:14:58 - So when people say nationalism, though,
there's a connotation] Speaker: 01;14;55;28
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[01:15:01 - for people who don't understand
because of the Nazis.] Speaker: 01;14;58;29
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[01:15:03 - Yeah. You have it,
but that's what they're.] Speaker: 01;15;01;08
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[01:15:05 - It's a pejorative.
I want to say it's because of the Nazis.] Speaker: 01;15;03;11
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[01:15:07 - But I think that the Nazis probably so.] Speaker: 01;15;05;08
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[01:15:11 - That so my grandpa, my both
my grandparents fought in World War] Speaker: 01;15;07;07
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[01:15:13 - two, right? One in the Pacific,
one in Europe. Right.] Speaker: 01;15;11;00
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[01:15:14 - My both of them.] Speaker: 01;15;13;21
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[01:15:18 - There was nothing more fucking patriotic
than those two guys.] Speaker: 01;15;14;27
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[01:15:19 - Right. Flags.] Speaker: 01;15;18;21
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[01:15:20 - Love of country.] Speaker: 01;15;19;25
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[01:15:23 - Every that critical of the bad things.] Speaker: 01;15;20;23
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[01:15:27 - But ultimately America is literally the
best place on earth to them.] Speaker: 01;15;23;12
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[01:15:31 - And they would today be called nationals.] Speaker: 01;15;28;28
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[01:15:36 - When people use the word national.] Speaker: 01;15;33;00
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[01:15:39 - It has a negative context to it] Speaker: 01;15;37;28
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[01:15:43 - because most people don't understand
or know the definition of it.] Speaker: 01;15;39;28
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[01:15:46 - They just think it means bad. Right.] Speaker: 01;15;43;19
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[01:15:49 - And I think that it's really important
that we understand] Speaker: 01;15;46;01
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[01:15:52 - the words we're using
and what they mean. Yes.] Speaker: 01;15;49;12
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[01:15:53 - And I'm not I'm actually are you.] Speaker: 01;15;52;11
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[01:15:56 - I'm just kind of I'm kind of
I'm gonna give a Ted talk right now.] Speaker: 01;15;53;18
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[01:15:56 - Yeah.] Speaker: 01;15;56;09
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[01:16:00 - And I think it becomes really dangerous
when, when, when people start] Speaker: 01;15;56;28
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[01:16:04 - calling people things that they, they
themselves don't fully understand 100%.] Speaker: 01;16;00;17
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[01:16:08 - Because if you're using examples
in history, I promise you] Speaker: 01;16;04;20
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[01:16:12 - they can go for every other country
to has nothing to do with] Speaker: 01;16;08;24
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[01:16:17 - what the perception
of what that means is, because it's like] Speaker: 01;16;13;22
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[01:16:20 - fascist bananas.] Speaker: 01;16;19;04
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[01:16:22 - Other people eat bananas.] Speaker: 01;16;20;25
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[01:16:25 - When you start to correlate those things
together, everything becomes evil.] Speaker: 01;16;22;04
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[01:16:26 - Yeah.] Speaker: 01;16;25;25
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[01:16:29 - And that's a dark thing to to
and this perpetuate.] Speaker: 01;16;26;07
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[01:16:32 - And this is where like the world
two of like shaming and fight] Speaker: 01;16;29;13
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[01:16:36 - or flight come in because like whoa
I don't want to be called like] Speaker: 01;16;32;18
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[01:16:41 - I don't want to be called
like the thing I don't want to] Speaker: 01;16;39;11
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[01:16:42 - I don't want somebody to like,] Speaker: 01;16;41;19
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[01:16:45 - somebody comes at me and they say,
well, Chelsea, what do you mean?] Speaker: 01;16;42;27
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[01:16:47 - You're a democratic socialist?] Speaker: 01;16;45;27
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[01:16:50 - Like you're if you want fascism,
like, don't you want to?] Speaker: 01;16;47;24
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[01:16:53 - I don't want somebody to come at me
and say that.] Speaker: 01;16;51;10
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[01:16:56 - And if I am like, you know,
I get pissed about that.] Speaker: 01;16;53;11
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[01:16:57 - And I say like, well,] Speaker: 01;16;56;27
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[01:17:01 - how could you not know the difference
between fascism and democratic socialism?] Speaker: 01;16;57;16
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[01:17:05 - Then I, I'm going to react
and push back against them.] Speaker: 01;17;02;02
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[01:17:08 - Right.
And then that's not creating connection.] Speaker: 01;17;05;16
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[01:17:09 - Let's pause for one second.] Speaker: 01;17;08;04
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[01:17:11 - I gotta change battery I love this.] Speaker: 01;17;09;05
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[01:17:13 - Are you enjoying it? Yeah. It's okay.] Speaker: 01;17;11;05
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[01:17:14 - Yeah, yeah, you're doing great.] Speaker: 01;17;13;03
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[01:17:18 - That's why
I had a shoot till all late last night.] Speaker: 01;17;16;03
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[01:17:20 - And we're going to use a bathroom
or anything.] Speaker: 01;17;18;13
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[01:17:23 - Yeah. No, you need a cigaret or anything?] Speaker: 01;17;20;22
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[01:17:26 - I don't know.] Speaker: 01;17;23;16
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[01:17:30 - Sorry.] Speaker: 01;17;28;04
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[01:17:31 - Okay.] Speaker: 01;17;30;20
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[01:17:34 - Just to do a quick clap and then go back.] Speaker: 01;17;31;04
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[01:17:39 - It's so terrible to, like.] Speaker: 01;17;36;23
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[01:17:42 - Answer those two.] Speaker: 01;17;40;19
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[01:17:44 - Great.] Speaker: 01;17;42;22
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[01:17:47 - It's nice
that you didn't like a record for, like,] Speaker: 01;17;44;24
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[01:17:51 - you know, a half an hour and, like,
not actually like 40 or something.] Speaker: 01;17;47;12
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[01:17:54 - That's why I have, like, it's
not an ego thing.] Speaker: 01;17;51;20
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[01:17:56 - It's not like I want to see myself.] Speaker: 01;17;54;18
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[01:17:58 - We've just had the disasters before.] Speaker: 01;17;56;29
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[01:17:59 - It's like, oh, they didn't fucking.] Speaker: 01;17;58;23
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[01:18:01 - The camera didn't work for ten minutes.] Speaker: 01;17;59;28
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[01:18:03 - Yeah, yeah. So no, we're good.] Speaker: 01;18;01;24
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[01:18:05 - Okay. Now you're saying
democratic socialists. Yeah.] Speaker: 01;18;03;05
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[01:18:07 - So if somebody like if someone
and somebody says to me like, oh, well,] Speaker: 01;18;05;06
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[01:18:10 - you know, you want fascism
because you're a democratic socialist.] Speaker: 01;18;07;28
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[01:18:13 - And then I get pissed at them
and say, like, how could you be so stupid?] Speaker: 01;18;10;13
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[01:18:15 - That's not what it is. La la la la.] Speaker: 01;18;13;22
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[01:18:16 - I'm not connecting with them.] Speaker: 01;18;15;22
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[01:18:18 - I'm not helping them learn about anything.] Speaker: 01;18;16;27
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[01:18:20 - I'm not and I'm
not learning about anything.] Speaker: 01;18;18;23
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[01:18:22 - But if we stop and say like,
oh yeah, wait, hold on.] Speaker: 01;18;20;16
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[01:18:24 - What actually
is the definition of fascism?] Speaker: 01;18;22;13
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[01:18:27 - Like, what do we understand about fascism
and what is the definition?] Speaker: 01;18;24;24
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[01:18:30 - And my definition would be,] Speaker: 01;18;28;07
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[01:18:33 - an application of] Speaker: 01;18;31;16
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[01:18:39 - authoritarian power in order to benefit
the authoritarian regime.] Speaker: 01;18;33;09
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[01:18:45 - A great way to get people on the side
to do this to.] Speaker: 01;18;39;28
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[01:18:49 - Because none of the people like nobody,
nobody chose.] Speaker: 01;18;45;17
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[01:18:51 - I mean, sure, yeah, people
definitely chose to be Nazis.] Speaker: 01;18;49;05
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[01:18:55 - But like the general population,
we're not like, yeah,] Speaker: 01;18;51;11
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[01:19:00 - let's like round up all of these people
and like, murder them like.] Speaker: 01;18;55;07
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[01:19:04 - But when the state gets out pushed on.] Speaker: 01;19;01;23
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[01:19:06 - Yeah, but when the state is pushing that.] Speaker: 01;19;04;14
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[01:19:08 - Yeah. Let's genocide these people. Yeah.] Speaker: 01;19;06;23
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[01:19:09 - I don't think anybody] Speaker: 01;19;08;17
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[01:19:13 - I don't think anybody in this shirt
let me not say that because.] Speaker: 01;19;09;24
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[01:19:17 - Yeah, 100% there were people
who just wanted to do genocide for sure.] Speaker: 01;19;13;22
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[01:19:23 - But I don't think that the the mass
population of Germany was all like,] Speaker: 01;19;17;21
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[01:19:27 - yeah, let's go ahead and murder] Speaker: 01;19;24;01
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[01:19:30 - all of these types of people
in this category.] Speaker: 01;19;27;11
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[01:19:33 - It but when there's the pressure of like,] Speaker: 01;19;31;00
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[01:19:36 - oh shit,
this terrifying thing is happening,] Speaker: 01;19;33;17
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[01:19:37 - we're not going to stand up and say
anything.] Speaker: 01;19;36;02
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[01:19:39 - We're going to say like, okay, yeah,
this is fine.] Speaker: 01;19;37;20
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[01:19:41 - Because something called the Shock
Doctrine.] Speaker: 01;19;39;11
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[01:19:43 - The Shock Doctrine is the book that ripped
open my brain.] Speaker: 01;19;41;02
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[01:19:46 - The first book. Yes, I love Naomi Klein.] Speaker: 01;19;43;26
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[01:19:49 - Yeah, The Shock Doctrine is the book
that like the first book that I read] Speaker: 01;19;46;02
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[01:19:51 - right before I went to grad school,] Speaker: 01;19;50;00
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[01:19:54 - my copy of The Shock
Doctrine is like, insane.] Speaker: 01;19;51;27
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[01:19:55 - I have, like.] Speaker: 01;19;54;11
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[01:19:55 - Notes and. Shit.] Speaker: 01;19;55;05
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[01:19:56 - It's so insane.] Speaker: 01;19;55;26
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[01:20:00 - But like, that is it, like, you shock
people and like, people, can't they?] Speaker: 01;19;56;22
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[01:20:02 - We go into freeze. We can't do anything.] Speaker: 01;20;00;28
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[01:20:06 - I always say to add
like the times that like the, the right] Speaker: 01;20;02;27
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[01:20:10 - and the left are going to come together
is like when it's 10:00 at night] Speaker: 01;20;06;00
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[01:20:11 - and I'm looking at my neighbor with the,] Speaker: 01;20;10;00
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[01:20:15 - you know, the red flag or the blue flag,
the flag that's different than mine.] Speaker: 01;20;11;19
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[01:20:17 - And I look at my neighbor
and I like shout over it] Speaker: 01;20;15;27
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[01:20:19 - like it's kind of crazy,] Speaker: 01;20;17;22
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[01:20:22 - like we're not allowed to leave our house
past 10:00 at night anymore, right?] Speaker: 01;20;19;09
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[01:20:24 - It's kind of it's kind of crazy that.] Speaker: 01;20;23;03
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[01:20:27 - Like, we can't, like, that's that's
when we're going to come together.] Speaker: 01;20;24;22
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[01:20:31 - It's kind of crazy that we're not allowed
to go to a Home Depot.] Speaker: 01;20;27;23
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[01:20:34 - It's kind of crazy that we're not allowed
to go to the grocery store.] Speaker: 01;20;32;01
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[01:20:36 - Yeah, that happened to us over the last
five years.] Speaker: 01;20;34;07
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[01:20:37 - Well, yes, I agree.] Speaker: 01;20;36;08
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[01:20:39 - And I agree that that's a.] Speaker: 01;20;37;20
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[01:20:43 - I agree in things like hyper
normalization, like making things] Speaker: 01;20;39;08
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[01:20:47 - normal, making things normal.] Speaker: 01;20;44;27
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[01:20:48 - It's normal.] Speaker: 01;20;47;06
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[01:20:49 - This is normal.] Speaker: 01;20;48;04
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[01:20:52 - Yeah. Once what is Robert Kennedy say.] Speaker: 01;20;49;03
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[01:20:55 - He goes once once they take] Speaker: 01;20;52;03
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[01:20:58 - a right away from you,] Speaker: 01;20;56;10
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[01:21:01 - they will not willingly give it back.] Speaker: 01;20;58;22
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[01:21:02 - Yeah.] Speaker: 01;21;01;04
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[01:21:05 - And I don't know that quote,
but it sounds about right.] Speaker: 01;21;02;05
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[01:21:09 - It's throughout history,
you know, for sure they do these things.] Speaker: 01;21;05;16
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[01:21:13 - That's why I kind of got real
some would say crazy] Speaker: 01;21;10;03
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[01:21:16 - about the Covid stuff because I was like,
they have no right to do this.] Speaker: 01;21;13;14
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[01:21:18 - I got. Crazy about the Covid. Stuff.] Speaker: 01;21;17;07
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[01:21:21 - I was crazy for the first two weeks.
And then I was like, what's up?] Speaker: 01;21;18;25
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[01:21:22 - Something's weird.] Speaker: 01;21;21;18
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[01:21:24 - Yeah, I know this makes sense.] Speaker: 01;21;22;19
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[01:21:27 - I had a panic attack
watching the first debate] Speaker: 01;21;24;07
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[01:21:31 - between Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden,
because there is nobody January.] Speaker: 01;21;27;06
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[01:21:31 - It wasn't it.] Speaker: 01;21;31;03
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[01:21:33 - It was, oh, no, no, it was later
because they shut that in March.] Speaker: 01;21;31;26
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[01:21:36 - Yeah, it was it was the first debate.] Speaker: 01;21;33;27
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[01:21:42 - And there is nobody in the, the room
and I was just like, this is crazy.] Speaker: 01;21;36;00
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[01:21:46 - Like I've always been into,
like, conspiracies like that.] Speaker: 01;21;42;00
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[01:21:47 - If somebody told me we would.] Speaker: 01;21;46;23
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[01:21:50 - Have a nice campfire
talking about conspiracy, like.] Speaker: 01;21;47;25
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[01:21:53 - If I was in 2014
and somebody told me were 2015] Speaker: 01;21;50;14
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[01:21:55 - and somebody told me,
hey, Chelsea, you know, in 2020,] Speaker: 01;21;53;09
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[01:21:57 - you're not going to be allowed
to leave your house.] Speaker: 01;21;55;10
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[01:22:00 - Your, there's going to be a virus] Speaker: 01;21;57;18
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[01:22:04 - from China that is like,
we don't know anything about it.] Speaker: 01;22;00;15
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[01:22:06 - That was maybe made by the Americans,
but it was.] Speaker: 01;22;04;02
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[01:22:07 - Probably made by,] Speaker: 01;22;06;00
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[01:22:11 - people who have agendas, dare I say,] Speaker: 01;22;08;22
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[01:22:15 - and whatever kind of way, and like,
you can't leave your house and,] Speaker: 01;22;11;24
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[01:22:21 - like, also, your phone is like,
collecting your bio data,] Speaker: 01;22;16;02
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[01:22:24 - like, show you everything that you look at
and like that also like creates.] Speaker: 01;22;21;12
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[01:22:28 - And Jeffrey Epstein also is like,
going to get arrested] Speaker: 01;22;25;05
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[01:22:30 - and people are going to know
Jeffrey Epstein's name again.] Speaker: 01;22;28;06
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[01:22:31 - Yeah.] Speaker: 01;22;30;19
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[01:22:34 - Like my brain would have been like,
oh, like, what do you mean?] Speaker: 01;22;31;01
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[01:22:36 - What do you mean? Yeah.] Speaker: 01;22;34;15
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[01:22:39 - If we were to look back in history,
let's say it's 500 years from the future,] Speaker: 01;22;36;03
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[01:22:42 - what would we call that moment?] Speaker: 01;22;39;24
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[01:22:45 - What Covid.] Speaker: 01;22;42;27
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[01:22:49 - It seemed like a global here's the thing.] Speaker: 01;22;46;04
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[01:22:51 - The Covid stuff. I.] Speaker: 01;22;50;07
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[01:22:56 - I've been called a Covid skeptic, vaccine
denying whatever from our newspaper.] Speaker: 01;22;51;14
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[01:23:01 - I was like, you, right?] Speaker: 01;22;59;09
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[01:23:03 - I'm not talking to the group.] Speaker: 01;23;01;26
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[01:23:05 - I'm talking to individuals.] Speaker: 01;23;03;19
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[01:23:07 - And I want to understand what's going on.] Speaker: 01;23;05;11
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[01:23:08 - I talked to a state rep.] Speaker: 01;23;07;01
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[01:23:10 - I talked to doctors. I talked to nurses
that were in the hospitals.] Speaker: 01;23;08;11
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[01:23:13 - I don't I don't give a damn
what the press conference said.] Speaker: 01;23;10;29
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[01:23:17 - And when, when,
when a certain politician said to me,] Speaker: 01;23;14;02
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[01:23:22 - I know this was late
April, early May of 2020, after after] Speaker: 01;23;17;16
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[01:23:25 - two weeks of flatten, the curve has now
turned into a month. Two.] Speaker: 01;23;22;02
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[01:23:29 - And he said look I met with him] Speaker: 01;23;26;04
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[01:23:32 - like physically
and he goes I agree with you.] Speaker: 01;23;29;06
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[01:23:35 - He goes
this is all fucking smoke and mirrors.] Speaker: 01;23;32;23
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[01:23:40 - He goes but we were told by the governor
that if we didn't toe the party line,] Speaker: 01;23;36;12
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[01:23:43 - we wouldn't get any funding
for the projects that we want.] Speaker: 01;23;40;27
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[01:23:45 - We wouldn't
get any support for a reelection.] Speaker: 01;23;43;13
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[01:23:46 - And I said, then don't get reelected.] Speaker: 01;23;45;13
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[01:23:51 - And he goes, I can't.] Speaker: 01;23;48;23
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[01:23:53 - And I was like now I know.] Speaker: 01;23;51;09
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[01:23:56 - And that's when I went, I'm
not going to live] Speaker: 01;23;53;23
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[01:23:59 - in the delusion anymore
with everyone else for sure.] Speaker: 01;23;56;15
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[01:24:03 - And I mean yeah, I don't,
I have a lot of thoughts] Speaker: 01;23;59;29
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[01:24:07 - about Covid, the vaccine,
something that I do find interesting is] Speaker: 01;24;03;16
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[01:24:09 - and I'm not trying to like.] Speaker: 01;24;08;20
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[01:24:14 - Yeah, I'm not we when you put this out,
we used the name Chelsea Taylor.] Speaker: 01;24;09;23
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[01:24:15 - I'm gonna use whatever name that you want.] Speaker: 01;24;14;15
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[01:24:18 - Yeah, that's that's a new mind for me.
It's like out under and.] Speaker: 01;24;15;24
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[01:24:20 - Yeah, I use that. Because you have to use
your musician name.] Speaker: 01;24;18;15
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[01:24:22 - Yeah. I'd rather so that.] Speaker: 01;24;20;28
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[01:24:24 - So that so that the fucking worst.] Speaker: 01;24;22;04
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[01:24:26 - The worst Covid crazy people.] Speaker: 01;24;24;02
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[01:24:28 - Let's just ask.
I would rather than listen to that.] Speaker: 01;24;26;14
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[01:24:29 - You would like my.] Speaker: 01;24;28;25
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[01:24:33 - I just put on an EP and it's called to me
called the intrepid Faith hymnal,] Speaker: 01;24;29;15
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[01:24:38 - and it's all about like how to have faith
and like how to be brave] Speaker: 01;24;33;16
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[01:24:41 - when I want to hear this around
you is going down.] Speaker: 01;24;38;09
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[01:24:42 - It's on the internet, you know.] Speaker: 01;24;41;15
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[01:24:45 - Is it on like Spotify?
It's on Spotify. It's very.] Speaker: 01;24;42;24
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[01:24:45 - You keep talking.] Speaker: 01;24;45;01
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[01:24:48 - I'm on. It's very. Weird.
Don't listen to it now. Nothing.] Speaker: 01;24;45;28
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[01:24:49 - Nothing is weirder.] Speaker: 01;24;48;20
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[01:24:52 - Did you hear the, Who is it? Andre 3000.] Speaker: 01;24;49;15
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[01:24:53 - It's a beautiful album.] Speaker: 01;24;52;15
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[01:24:57 - His flute album, the new shit that he's
doing, it's actually really good.] Speaker: 01;24;53;16
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[01:25:00 - Yeah, well,
I. Will say that his flute album.] Speaker: 01;24;57;18
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[01:25:02 - Yes. A beautiful ambient album,
actually, but.] Speaker: 01;25;00;16
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[01:25:05 - This is what I was listening
to. It's really good. This.] Speaker: 01;25;02;25
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[01:25:05 - I recorded all of this.] Speaker: 01;25;05;03
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[01:25:10 - I put like a, I made a meditation
at the end on cultivating intrepid faith.] Speaker: 01;25;05;28
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[01:25:13 - Like how to be brave, how to like, yeah.] Speaker: 01;25;10;08
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[01:25:15 - What I look up because it's because.] Speaker: 01;25;13;23
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[01:25:19 - Under so or so we r s we are] Speaker: 01;25;15;10
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[01:25:21 - and then the intrepid.] Speaker: 01;25;20;13
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[01:25:23 - But I put I do I type in Chelsea.] Speaker: 01;25;21;18
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[01:25:25 - No no no no I swear. Yeah.] Speaker: 01;25;23;02
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[01:25:27 - So w er yeah.] Speaker: 01;25;25;11
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[01:25:29 - And then This is it.] Speaker: 01;25;27;04
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[01:25:30 - No, no.] Speaker: 01;25;29;15
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[01:25:33 - The intrepid faith. Oh so we're intrepid.] Speaker: 01;25;30;16
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[01:25:36 - So the second one that what I think
this one.] Speaker: 01;25;33;03
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[01:25:38 - That's me. Yep. That's me.] Speaker: 01;25;37;01
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[01:25:39 - Yo, check this out.] Speaker: 01;25;38;11
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[01:25:40 - You just got to follow.] Speaker: 01;25;39;08
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[01:25:43 - Yeah. I am not doing,] Speaker: 01;25;40;13
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[01:25:44 - I mean, yeah, I have fun with my music.] Speaker: 01;25;43;14
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[01:25:48 - I recorded all that at home in a span of,
like, two months and put it out] Speaker: 01;25;44;27
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[01:25:49 - because I felt called.] Speaker: 01;25;48;26
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[01:25:51 - You're a fucking artist.
I feel. Called to do. It.] Speaker: 01;25;49;26
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[01:25:53 - Gives a shit like, oh, well, I'll.] Speaker: 01;25;51;25
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[01:25:56 - Say this about vaccines or whatever you
got free to say to, like, link it back to.] Speaker: 01;25;53;04
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[01:25:58 - Whatever
you're afraid to say. Professional life.] Speaker: 01;25;56;15
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[01:26:02 - Because I think it's interesting
that vaccine got a whole new meaning.] Speaker: 01;25;58;14
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[01:26:04 - They changed the definition.] Speaker: 01;26;03;11
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[01:26:04 - Yeah, like that] Speaker: 01;26;04;09
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[01:26:07 - vaccine used to be something you get
so that you don't get something.] Speaker: 01;26;04;23
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[01:26:10 - But the Covid vaccine is like,
oh, you get it.] Speaker: 01;26;07;29
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[01:26:11 - But it's like not that bad.] Speaker: 01;26;10;05
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[01:26:13 - Which I think] Speaker: 01;26;12;29
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[01:26:16 - is very interesting
in the manipulation of language.] Speaker: 01;26;13;14
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[01:26:21 - It's very important to listen to the words
that people use and how they use them.] Speaker: 01;26;16;14
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[01:26:23 - I agree with you for sure.] Speaker: 01;26;21;20
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[01:26:25 - And I started to look into etymology.] Speaker: 01;26;23;01
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[01:26:27 - Yes, I love etymology, to be honest.] Speaker: 01;26;25;18
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[01:26:29 - Yeah. What are these words
supposed to mean?] Speaker: 01;26;27;10
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[01:26:30 - And where do they come from?] Speaker: 01;26;29;02
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[01:26:33 - And it's really interesting
where they come from as far as like,] Speaker: 01;26;30;18
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[01:26:37 - I'm just gonna be totally honest, I, I,] Speaker: 01;26;34;10
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[01:26:40 - I haven't
I now have a very high skepticism] Speaker: 01;26;37;08
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[01:26:46 - of the medical field and I look, I know
lots of doctors and I there's, there's] Speaker: 01;26;41;07
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[01:26:49 - this one doctor that my family is friends
with known in my whole life.] Speaker: 01;26;46;01
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[01:26:53 - He was all, well, first it was, I'm] Speaker: 01;26;50;29
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[01:26:58 - not going to get the Trump vaccine,
which everyone said in 2020.] Speaker: 01;26;53;22
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[01:27:01 - And then all of a sudden
we got a new president] Speaker: 01;26;58;17
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[01:27:06 - and it becomes
everyone has to get a vaccine.] Speaker: 01;27;01;22
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[01:27:09 - And you know, if anybody's familiar
or two, there's] Speaker: 01;27;06;29
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[01:27:12 - this thing called the Nuremberg trials
and they have the Nurnberg Code] Speaker: 01;27;09;17
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[01:27:15 - and the Nuremberg
Coda says that you cannot coerce,] Speaker: 01;27;13;11
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[01:27:19 - manipulate or persuade
anyone to take a medical intervention.] Speaker: 01;27;15;20
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[01:27:20 - And they can stop at any time.] Speaker: 01;27;19;06
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[01:27:23 - And there is, basically all the things
that they learned from Mengele.] Speaker: 01;27;20;19
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[01:27:25 - We weren't going to do em.] Speaker: 01;27;23;28
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[01:27:29 - And I saw them doing it,
and it scared the shit.] Speaker: 01;27;25;11
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[01:27:30 - Yeah, it scared the shit out of me, too.] Speaker: 01;27;29;00
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[01:27:34 - And I the only thing that
I knew I could do was I needed to stay.] Speaker: 01;27;30;21
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[01:27:38 - I needed to use my voice,
and I had to push back, and I.] Speaker: 01;27;34;22
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[01:27:42 - And I needed to know that, like, either
I wasn't alone or I'm] Speaker: 01;27;38;21
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[01:27:44 - the guy in front of a thousand people
saying, you're all wrong.] Speaker: 01;27;42;12
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[01:27:48 - And that's when people started to hate me.] Speaker: 01;27;45;20
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[01:27:51 - And that's when it got real.] Speaker: 01;27;48;23
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[01:27:59 - That that was the biggest thing to change
me was the how the people treated me.] Speaker: 01;27;55;01
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[01:28:01 - Yeah, they shamed you, I bet. Yeah. Yeah.] Speaker: 01;27;59;03
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[01:28:02 - I didn't really care.] Speaker: 01;28;01;10
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[01:28:03 - And like using it.] Speaker: 01;28;02;20
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[01:28:05 - Using your rod of iron example] Speaker: 01;28;03;18
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[01:28:08 - because we're all talking about psychology
and whether it's] Speaker: 01;28;05;05
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[01:28:11 - you went there and they accepted you.] Speaker: 01;28;08;11
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[01:28:14 - If I went to some,] Speaker: 01;28;11;26
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[01:28:16 - left event,] Speaker: 01;28;14;27
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[01:28:19 - they probably wouldn't accept me
because I've gone to a few] Speaker: 01;28;16;28
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[01:28:22 - and I've gotten a lot of words
said to me about being there.] Speaker: 01;28;19;18
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[01:28:25 - I would say that. Okay, well,
I would say so.] Speaker: 01;28;23;12
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[01:28:28 - So if I'm basing my reality on which group] Speaker: 01;28;25;08
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[01:28:32 - is accepting of everything,
and which group isn't,] Speaker: 01;28;29;03
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[01:28:37 - I would unfortunately, it's the left,
I would try.] Speaker: 01;28;34;16
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[01:28:42 - I would see if we could find
a sense of connection around this.] Speaker: 01;28;37;16
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[01:28:47 - Because if you went to a group
like that, had people like me] Speaker: 01;28;43;08
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[01:28:51 - and my friends] Speaker: 01;28;48;04
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[01:28:55 - and people who do like mutual aid work,
when people are actually, like, trying to,] Speaker: 01;28;51;05
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[01:29:00 - like, do something and like create change
and like better for the community.] Speaker: 01;28;55;09
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[01:29:05 - I mean, I can tell you, like.] Speaker: 01;29;02;08
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[01:29:06 - Every week people would.] Speaker: 01;29;05;00
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[01:29:07 - Be happy to have you.] Speaker: 01;29;06;08
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[01:29:09 - If you can't happily go.] Speaker: 01;29;07;28
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[01:29:13 - If you came in and you were like,
you guys are all fascist commies.] Speaker: 01;29;09;06
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[01:29:14 - And like.] Speaker: 01;29;14;07
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[01:29:18 - I don't think those would ever do
fascism and communism no go together.] Speaker: 01;29;14;28
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[01:29:21 - And fascism is an applied is] Speaker: 01;29;18;15
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[01:29:24 - is the
the application of authoritarianism.] Speaker: 01;29;21;18
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[01:29:26 - But so is communism.] Speaker: 01;29;24;21
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[01:29:29 - Communism is a system of government.] Speaker: 01;29;26;08
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[01:29:31 - It is a government.] Speaker: 01;29;29;23
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[01:29:33 - It works great when you use fascism.] Speaker: 01;29;31;00
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[01:29:34 - You have a see, the thing works great.] Speaker: 01;29;33;03
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[01:29:38 - When you use fascism to, to
to utilize to make communism.] Speaker: 01;29;34;06
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[01:29:41 - Or is communism good for humans?] Speaker: 01;29;38;24
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[01:29:43 - I have no idea.] Speaker: 01;29;41;22
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[01:29:44 - I don't know, let's look at history.] Speaker: 01;29;43;02
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[01:29:47 - How many people have died
under communism rule in the last century?] Speaker: 01;29;44;28
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[01:29:50 - Even this though, like, okay,
I don't know, probably a shit ton.] Speaker: 01;29;47;27
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[01:29:51 - It's a it's 100 shit.] Speaker: 01;29;50;22
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[01:29:54 - Tens to hundreds of millions for sure,
right? Sure.] Speaker: 01;29;51;23
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[01:29:56 - I have the same feelings for fascism.] Speaker: 01;29;54;04
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[01:29:57 - I have the same.] Speaker: 01;29;56;28
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[01:30:03 - And the problem
with socialism, right now, socialism is] Speaker: 01;29;57;26
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[01:30:05 - good in small.] Speaker: 01;30;04;00
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[01:30:05 - In my opinion.] Speaker: 01;30;05;00
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[01:30:09 - Socialism is good in small doses,
but unfettered.] Speaker: 01;30;05;28
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[01:30:11 - It turns into.] Speaker: 01;30;09;22
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[01:30:12 - Like, anything. Yeah, right.] Speaker: 01;30;11;02
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[01:30:17 - And the problem with it is, is that just
like the frog in the boiling pot of water,] Speaker: 01;30;12;16
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[01:30:21 - when you get in and it's cool,
the frog will die.] Speaker: 01;30;18;17
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[01:30:23 - If it's hot,
when the frog jumps will jump out.] Speaker: 01;30;21;17
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[01:30:26 - So if I, if I go to North Korea tomorrow,
I'm like, get me the fuck out of here,] Speaker: 01;30;23;14
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[01:30:30 - We have to always be vigilant
and be careful about] Speaker: 01;30;28;00
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[01:30:35 - if socialism and socialism] Speaker: 01;30;32;13
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[01:30:38 - as a as a as a form of government.] Speaker: 01;30;35;09
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[01:30:43 - Could very easily
turn into something authoritarian.] Speaker: 01;30;40;09
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[01:30:46 - Yeah I would say that
and it has in the past.] Speaker: 01;30;44;01
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[01:30:47 - Yeah I will for sure.] Speaker: 01;30;46;09
1

[01:30:49 - I'm not arguing with that at all.] Speaker: 01;30;47;14
1

[01:30:51 - And I'm not saying
you're wrong in the idea,] Speaker: 01;30;49;29
1

[01:30:54 - I think, I think here's a, here's
what I've come to the realization of right] Speaker: 01;30;51;20
1

[01:30:58 - when I was it, when I was up] Speaker: 01;30;56;23
1

[01:31:02 - until 39 years old, I was, I was a,
I was a Democrat, hardcore Democrat.] Speaker: 01;30;58;05
1

[01:31:04 - No, no, no 40.] Speaker: 01;31;02;26
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[01:31:04 - Yeah.] Speaker: 01;31;04;05
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[01:31:07 - Because I switched in 2020.] Speaker: 01;31;04;09
1

[01:31:11 - Everything that I believed
was all the things that I believed] Speaker: 01;31;07;15
1

[01:31:16 - in, like the 90s where it was like
freedom of speech is everything.] Speaker: 01;31;11;17
1

[01:31:19 - Even if you're willing to say
the moon's made a green cheese,] Speaker: 01;31;16;26
1

[01:31:24 - the a, the a, the at the AC,
the ACLU would defend the Nazis] Speaker: 01;31;19;23
1

[01:31:26 - for having their parades
as much as they hated the Nazis.] Speaker: 01;31;24;13
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[01:31:29 - You had the right to have a parade.] Speaker: 01;31;26;28
1

[01:31:31 - Race relations] Speaker: 01;31;30;19
1

[01:31:34 - were a much better place in the 90s.] Speaker: 01;31;31;16
1

[01:31:36 - And I didn't think that we were different.] Speaker: 01;31;35;06
1

[01:31:40 - I thought, like, if everyone ripped their
their skin off, we're all ugly.] Speaker: 01;31;36;28
1

[01:31:43 - And that's how I look at the world.] Speaker: 01;31;41;06
1

[01:31:46 - And then something happened where the only
thing we focused on was our differences.] Speaker: 01;31;43;04
1

[01:31:49 - It became the identity. Yeah. For sure.] Speaker: 01;31;47;10
1

[01:31:52 - And what other forms do that?] Speaker: 01;31;49;14
1

[01:31:53 - And fascism, communism.] Speaker: 01;31;52;02
1

[01:31:56 - They only focus on the differences,
I would say historically.] Speaker: 01;31;53;23
1

[01:31:59 - Well, I would say that that is the] Speaker: 01;31;56;18
1

[01:32:02 - that that is the way to control people
I like that is fascism.] Speaker: 01;31;59;07
1

[01:32:06 - It is like it
is that make people different] Speaker: 01;32;02;23
1

[01:32:12 - than each other in Buddhism,
there is a concept of the unreal other] Speaker: 01;32;06;25
1

[01:32:15 - which like we do it all the time,
which is like] Speaker: 01;32;12;19
1

[01:32:19 - I see other people as unreal to me.] Speaker: 01;32;15;22
1

[01:32:23 - Like I see somebody and I see like,
how could somebody be such a monster?] Speaker: 01;32;19;07
1

[01:32:24 - How could that person is a man?] Speaker: 01;32;23;06
1

[01:32:27 - How could anybody think like that?
How can anybody be like that?] Speaker: 01;32;24;17
1

[01:32:30 - Whatever that person
is like that for a reason.] Speaker: 01;32;27;09
1

[01:32:34 - They are human and they have those
thoughts, those feelings, those behaviors.] Speaker: 01;32;30;05
1

[01:32:37 - I might judge them as terrible, awful,
but they do those things for a reason.] Speaker: 01;32;34;02
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[01:32:41 - The more that I can see that
they're a human and understand that, that] Speaker: 01;32;37;29
1

[01:32:45 - they're the way they are for a reason,
then I can align with them.] Speaker: 01;32;41;22
1

[01:32:49 - But if I don't do that
and I see them as the unreal other,] Speaker: 01;32;45;06
1

[01:32:51 - I, ultimately
I'm taking away their humanity,] Speaker: 01;32;49;04
1

[01:32:54 - which will allow me to treat them
like less than human.] Speaker: 01;32;51;19
1

[01:32:56 - So when I say that person over there,] Speaker: 01;32;54;03
1

[01:32:59 - that Republican over there, that
MAGA guy over there, he's not like me.] Speaker: 01;32;56;01
1

[01:33:01 - He thinks terrible things he wants.] Speaker: 01;32;59;14
1

[01:33:03 - He hates black people. That white guy
or that Christian.] Speaker: 01;33;01;05
1

[01:33:05 - That white guy over there, he's terrible.] Speaker: 01;33;03;17
1

[01:33:08 - Oh, that that blue con, the other,
the unreal other.] Speaker: 01;33;05;02
1

[01:33:08 - Yeah.] Speaker: 01;33;08;12
1

[01:33:09 - And we all do it.] Speaker: 01;33;08;21
1

[01:33:12 - So like, we all do it,
but the more that we can see it] Speaker: 01;33;09;23
1

[01:33:14 - and then connect with people.] Speaker: 01;33;13;10
1

[01:33:15 - But that is the way.] Speaker: 01;33;14;18
1

[01:33:19 - That is the way
I do believe that that that's] Speaker: 01;33;15;25
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[01:33:21 - the problem.] Speaker: 01;33;20;09
1

[01:33:21 - I want] Speaker: 01;33;21;08
1

[01:33:24 - to I don't want to use the word fight,
but that really is what it is] Speaker: 01;33;21;23
1

[01:33:29 - that the fight is the struggle is
the struggle is, is is in capitalism,] Speaker: 01;33;24;08
1

[01:33:33 - late stage capitalism, the divide between
classes grows and grows.] Speaker: 01;33;29;20
1

[01:33:37 - The top gets bigger and bigger,
the bottom gets lower and lower.] Speaker: 01;33;33;28
1

[01:33:39 - But what happens in fascism and.] Speaker: 01;33;38;00
1

[01:33:42 - People make well, we're going to
you need to] Speaker: 01;33;39;23
1

[01:33:45 - the people that work on the lower
and lower were distressed.] Speaker: 01;33;42;26
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[01:33:46 - We hate it.] Speaker: 01;33;45;22
1

[01:33:49 - So if people were to connect
with each other and see like, oh,] Speaker: 01;33;46;09
1

[01:33:53 - we're all in the same boat here,
then we're going to have revolution.] Speaker: 01;33;49;10
1

[01:33:55 - And that threatens the people up here.] Speaker: 01;33;53;10
1

[01:33:59 - I saw something that no one talked
about during Covid,] Speaker: 01;33;55;09
1

[01:34:02 - and it was like a year, 2 or 3,
they were trying to mandate New York City] Speaker: 01;33;59;03
1

[01:34:07 - and MAGA and BLM] Speaker: 01;34;03;09
1

[01:34:11 - got together
and marched against the mandates.] Speaker: 01;34;08;20
1

[01:34:15 - And you didn't see one
frame of it on the map?] Speaker: 01;34;12;06
1

[01:34:16 - Yeah. I'm sure.] Speaker: 01;34;15;26
1

[01:34:19 - And it was like, because because I said
I said, that's what they're afraid of.] Speaker: 01;34;16;22
1

[01:34:22 - Yeah, they're afraid of these two
disparaged groups coming together.] Speaker: 01;34;19;20
1

[01:34:23 - And we have. 100%.] Speaker: 01;34;22;16
1

[01:34:25 - We have more in. Common
because that's what that] Speaker: 01;34;23;28
1

[01:34:27 - because that's
what threatens the top here.] Speaker: 01;34;25;23
1

[01:34:32 - And but the top is who has the resources
to really do shit like fuels mind control.] Speaker: 01;34;27;18
1

[01:34:35 - Mind control is real. Like right now.] Speaker: 01;34;32;27
1

[01:34:38 - Even like you and me having this
conversation, somebody's listening to it.] Speaker: 01;34;35;03
1

[01:34:39 - We're in their minds.] Speaker: 01;34;38;07
1

[01:34:42 - Like,
that is like a BS mind control. Right?] Speaker: 01;34;39;05
1

[01:34:45 - And then my hope is they can discern
whether or not I'm a crazy person.] Speaker: 01;34;42;07
1

[01:34:46 - I have a valid point right now.] Speaker: 01;34;45;10
1

[01:34:47 - I hope that's their.] Speaker: 01;34;46;20
1

[01:34:49 - Yeah,
this is not in a nefarious mind control.] Speaker: 01;34;47;10
1

[01:34:53 - But when we are like constantly
getting types of messaging over and over] Speaker: 01;34;49;29
1

[01:34:58 - and not being paired with a sympathetic] Speaker: 01;34;54;03
1

[01:35:01 - fight or flight experience in the body of,
oh, this isn't safe for me.] Speaker: 01;34;58;09
1

[01:35:06 - It takes less than a second
for a sympathetic experience] Speaker: 01;35;01;21
1

[01:35:09 - to get imprinted into the body's memory.] Speaker: 01;35;06;05
1

[01:35:12 - So, like the when I'm a kid] Speaker: 01;35;09;12
1

[01:35:15 - and I'm walking down the street, as in,
you know,] Speaker: 01;35;13;13
1

[01:35:17 - I walk into the street
and the car goes by me] Speaker: 01;35;15;12
1

[01:35:19 - and it honks its horn
and I get the shit scared on me.] Speaker: 01;35;17;05
1

[01:35:22 - And I jump on the side sidewalk.
That takes less than a second.] Speaker: 01;35;19;09
1

[01:35:24 - For that,
I totally sympathetic part of my nervous] Speaker: 01;35;22;06
1

[01:35:27 - system takes less than a second,
so I don't walk on the street again.] Speaker: 01;35;24;16
1

[01:35:33 - It takes 15 to 30s
for a positive ventral vagal experience] Speaker: 01;35;27;25
1

[01:35:36 - to get imprinted into the body's
memory, a safety and connection] Speaker: 01;35;33;23
1

[01:35:38 - experience
to be imprinted in the body's memory.] Speaker: 01;35;36;27
1

[01:35:41 - So if I were to do, it would be like,
right now I feel I'm having fun,] Speaker: 01;35;38;21
1

[01:35:44 - I feel happy, I'm with a friend
I haven't seen in a long time.] Speaker: 01;35;41;22
1

[01:35:46 - I'm talking about things
I like to talk about.] Speaker: 01;35;44;15
1

[01:35:47 - I feel like smiling in my face.] Speaker: 01;35;46;07
1

[01:35:50 - I feel like an upward current of energy
in the front of my body.] Speaker: 01;35;47;25
1

[01:35:54 - I feel like a grounding in my butt,
like where I'm sitting on the chair.] Speaker: 01;35;51;00
1

[01:35:57 - I feel like my mind just wandered.] Speaker: 01;35;55;01
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[01:35:59 - I feel like, yeah,
I just sent a smiling, okay, everybody,] Speaker: 01;35;57;05
1

[01:36:02 - we still have 15 more seconds
for me to really imprint this positive] Speaker: 01;35;59;10
1

[01:36:07 - feeling into my body,
into my brain to reference this.] Speaker: 01;36;02;17
1

[01:36:12 - So when we're running off of this, well,
these people over here are crazy] Speaker: 01;36;07;23
1

[01:36:13 - and doing terrible things.] Speaker: 01;36;12;00
1

[01:36:16 - Well, these people over here
are going to come after my whatever money,] Speaker: 01;36;13;00
1

[01:36:20 - farmland, whatever, whatever.] Speaker: 01;36;16;29
1

[01:36:23 - And I get that sympathetic fight
or flight reaction,] Speaker: 01;36;20;23
1

[01:36:28 - the body, that experience gets way
more lodged.] Speaker: 01;36;23;10
1

[01:36:31 - That experience
gets imprinted into my memory.] Speaker: 01;36;28;00
1

[01:36:33 - Like that's kind of the crazy shit.] Speaker: 01;36;31;18
1

[01:36:34 - What I think about it is] Speaker: 01;36;33;21
1

[01:36:38 - I think about like, it just goes to prove
that love is harder than hate.] Speaker: 01;36;34;21
1

[01:36:40 - You know?] Speaker: 01;36;39;23
1

[01:36:42 - I would agree with that.
I would agree with that.] Speaker: 01;36;40;03
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[01:36:44 - Yeah, I would agree with that.] Speaker: 01;36;42;20
1

[01:36:46 - So it's it's love takes effort.
Yes it does.] Speaker: 01;36;44;04
1

[01:36:48 - Yeah. And hate is easy
because it's just and.] Speaker: 01;36;46;22
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[01:36:50 - It can be scary.] Speaker: 01;36;48;29
1

[01:36:51 - Sure. Yeah.] Speaker: 01;36;50;18
1

[01:36:54 - It can be scary to not hate
I also think about this.] Speaker: 01;36;51;07
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[01:36:56 - To not hate. Yeah.] Speaker: 01;36;54;15
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[01:36:59 - Yeah it can be I think about this a lot] Speaker: 01;36;56;13
1

[01:37:01 - about how trauma ultimately
is disorienting.] Speaker: 01;36;59;08
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[01:37:03 - Right. You like. Yes.] Speaker: 01;37;01;29
1

[01:37:05 - Whenever I,
I never thought that my best friend] Speaker: 01;37;03;16
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[01:37:07 - was going to die in this car accident.
And I just went to his funeral.] Speaker: 01;37;05;06
1

[01:37:10 - Now I'm pumping gas at Sheetz
and like everybody else,] Speaker: 01;37;07;26
1

[01:37:13 - is like walking around
having a nice time in their old reality.] Speaker: 01;37;10;10
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[01:37:16 - But I'm in this. I'm in this new reality.] Speaker: 01;37;13;18
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[01:37:18 - Okay, so that's disorienting.] Speaker: 01;37;16;27
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[01:37:21 - Trauma, healing is also disorienting.] Speaker: 01;37;18;15
1

[01:37:23 - Being able to recognize like,] Speaker: 01;37;21;18
1

[01:37:27 - oh, well, what I like
believed about something is not true.] Speaker: 01;37;23;16
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[01:37:29 - Okay.] Speaker: 01;37;28;20
1

[01:37:31 - That's disorienting.] Speaker: 01;37;29;10
1

[01:37:35 - And that whoa, I've done like, shit.] Speaker: 01;37;31;15
1

[01:37:39 - Because if we're traumatized, people,
trauma reactions are not just like,] Speaker: 01;37;35;18
1

[01:37:43 - oh, you never do bad things.] Speaker: 01;37;40;09
1

[01:37:45 - Traumatized people do bad things.] Speaker: 01;37;43;07
1

[01:37:46 - Yes, traumatized people do bad things.] Speaker: 01;37;45;03
1

[01:37:48 - So when we can see like, oh, yeah, shit.] Speaker: 01;37;46;25
1

[01:37:53 - Whoa, I like, didn't I have to maybe
look at these areas of guilt or shame] Speaker: 01;37;48;17
1

[01:37:58 - I might have about actions I've taken
and see that I've done something] Speaker: 01;37;53;11
1

[01:38:02 - wrong or whatever, or I've made choices
off of things that were wrong or whatever.] Speaker: 01;37;58;01
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[01:38:05 - That's disorienting, I think.] Speaker: 01;38;03;08
1

[01:38:07 - But my dad's 84 years old.] Speaker: 01;38;05;09
1

[01:38:08 - Good for him.] Speaker: 01;38;07;14
1

[01:38:11 - And I think about how he grew up
learning about] Speaker: 01;38;08;00
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[01:38:15 - and like, eugenics and shit and, like,
learning like that, like,] Speaker: 01;38;11;28
1

[01:38:19 - black people's brains are, like,
smaller than white people's brains, right?] Speaker: 01;38;15;14
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[01:38:22 - Can I blow your mind. A little bit? Wait.
Can I just finish my sample real quick?] Speaker: 01;38;19;17
1

[01:38:25 - Okay, so in, like, if you believe that
and, like, believe that, like,] Speaker: 01;38;22;07
1

[01:38:29 - black people are, like,
less capable than white people.] Speaker: 01;38;26;08
1

[01:38:33 - And then like, you treat people that way
and, like,] Speaker: 01;38;30;25
1

[01:38:36 - maybe you're kind of shitty to,
like the waiter at the restaurant] Speaker: 01;38;33;02
1

[01:38:37 - and like you say, like to
your daughter is like,] Speaker: 01;38;36;05
1

[01:38:39 - don't get with black guys or whatever.] Speaker: 01;38;37;28
1

[01:38:42 - And like, you're kind of mean
to black people or whatever] Speaker: 01;38;39;28
1

[01:38:44 - because you believe that they're inferior
or whatever.] Speaker: 01;38;42;03
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[01:38:47 - And then, you learn that that's not true.] Speaker: 01;38;44;22
1

[01:38:51 - You have to reckon with the fact
that like, oh shit, maybe I like, treated] Speaker: 01;38;47;29
1

[01:38:53 - people shitty and like,
I could have like been] Speaker: 01;38;51;17
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[01:38:57 - friends with my neighbor, but instead I,
like, always cursed him or whatever.] Speaker: 01;38;53;24
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[01:39:00 - And you have to come to terms with that.] Speaker: 01;38;57;17
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[01:39:03 - And and most people don't want to do that
because that's painful.] Speaker: 01;39;00;22
1

[01:39:06 - Well, I mean, it's it's just it's
just it's just the thing of like,] Speaker: 01;39;03;26
1

[01:39:11 - look, you were alive for 911, right?] Speaker: 01;39;07;14
1

[01:39:14 - People] Speaker: 01;39;12;11
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[01:39:17 - when, when we got on planes after 911] Speaker: 01;39;14;07
1

[01:39:19 - somebody walked in
that looked Middle Eastern.] Speaker: 01;39;17;04
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[01:39:21 - We all thought it. Sure.] Speaker: 01;39;19;19
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[01:39:24 - We all in our head thought it
and I think and I think that like] Speaker: 01;39;21;06
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[01:39:28 - I think that I,] Speaker: 01;39;26;19
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[01:39:31 - I think that like thinking things
like that.] Speaker: 01;39;28;19
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[01:39:32 - Right.] Speaker: 01;39;31;12
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[01:39:35 - Which, which, which 35,000ft view looks] Speaker: 01;39;32;03
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[01:39:39 - to be coined as racist
or bigoted or whatever.] Speaker: 01;39;35;29
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[01:39:41 - I think that's a] Speaker: 01;39;39;17
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[01:39:44 - I think that's a natural.] Speaker: 01;39;41;13
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[01:39:49 - What would you call that?] Speaker: 01;39;46;26
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[01:39:49 - Like a natural?] Speaker: 01;39;49;01
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[01:39:51 - Like,] Speaker: 01;39;49;25
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[01:39:54 - awareness response for safety, right.] Speaker: 01;39;51;25
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[01:39:57 - Because your eyes are a way
to understand a threat, if.] Speaker: 01;39;54;25
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[01:39:59 - That's what you know, as dangerous,
and that's] Speaker: 01;39;57;05
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[01:40:01 - what you're being told is dangerous,
of course,] Speaker: 01;39;59;10
1

[01:40:03 - you're going to have the immediate
thoughts of like.] Speaker: 01;40;01;10
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[01:40:06 - Oh, it seems to] Speaker: 01;40;03;03
1

[01:40:09 - by today's standards,
you be like a racist or a bigot. But] Speaker: 01;40;06;05
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[01:40:11 - my view on it] Speaker: 01;40;10;06
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[01:40:14 - was like,
okay, does that person have a bomb?] Speaker: 01;40;11;02
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[01:40:15 - Oh, they don't have a bomb.] Speaker: 01;40;14;02
1

[01:40:18 - Oh, they're a nice person. Great.] Speaker: 01;40;15;20
1

[01:40:20 - I'm so happy that I was wrong about that.] Speaker: 01;40;18;06
1

[01:40:23 - But the original, it's it's society's] Speaker: 01;40;20;23
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[01:40:27 - trying to tell us
to not have the safety mechanism first.] Speaker: 01;40;23;25
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[01:40:30 - You know, and we're now labeling] Speaker: 01;40;28;18
1

[01:40:33 - labeling it some pejorative as 100%.] Speaker: 01;40;30;23
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[01:40:35 - But the truth is divided.] Speaker: 01;40;33;28
1

[01:40:37 - There's
so many people that have that, like,] Speaker: 01;40;35;12
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[01:40:39 - I don't
I don't really dislike people anymore.] Speaker: 01;40;37;23
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[01:40:42 - I just I just don't like evil people.] Speaker: 01;40;39;11
1

[01:40:44 - There are so many times] Speaker: 01;40;42;20
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[01:40:47 - where nothing has made me
happier than being wrong.] Speaker: 01;40;44;01
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[01:40:48 - Yeah, I got my first.] Speaker: 01;40;47;15
1

[01:40:50 - It is a gift. Oh, yes.
About first impression for sure.] Speaker: 01;40;48;10
1

[01:40:55 - Yes. Yeah, but there are like,
I have my black friends.] Speaker: 01;40;50;28
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[01:40:55 - They're like, your white guy] Speaker: 01;40;55;01
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[01:40:58 - comes in our neighborhood, we're like,
what the fuck is that?] Speaker: 01;40;55;27
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[01:41:01 - That's strange. That shouldn't be here.] Speaker: 01;40;58;27
1

[01:41:03 - You're going to. Oh, so it works.
All these.] Speaker: 01;41;01;05
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[01:41:04 - It works all these ways. But the] Speaker: 01;41;03;06
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[01:41:06 - the point I'm trying to make,] Speaker: 01;41;05;23
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[01:41:10 - trying to get to is that, like,
regardless of where you're from,] Speaker: 01;41;06;28
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[01:41:14 - regardless of what your insecurities are
and your ego stuff is,] Speaker: 01;41;10;16
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[01:41:18 - is that most of the times
in those situations were wrong?] Speaker: 01;41;14;21
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[01:41:19 - Sometimes, right?] Speaker: 01;41;18;07
1

[01:41:22 - But it's good to have that
first moment of being.] Speaker: 01;41;19;05
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[01:41:24 - And I'm not saying
and I'm not saying like it's] Speaker: 01;41;22;26
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[01:41:27 - yeah, if you're fucking waitresses black
and you're a piece of shit to them] Speaker: 01;41;24;18
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[01:41:29 - because they're black,
fuck you. You're an asshole.] Speaker: 01;41;27;10
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[01:41:30 - Yeah. Yeah.] Speaker: 01;41;29;10
1

[01:41:34 - But people who like, believe that
that was like that, that was okay] Speaker: 01;41;30;25
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[01:41:38 - to do, like or for whatever reason, it's
okay to like, not.] Speaker: 01;41;34;16
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[01:41:40 - Assholes everywhere.] Speaker: 01;41;38;27
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[01:41:42 - And like to have to reckon though
with the fact of like, oh shit.] Speaker: 01;41;40;07
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[01:41:46 - Like, well, what I really thought about
like the fucking,] Speaker: 01;41;42;27
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[01:41:49 - you know, black people is wrong
or like what I really thought about,] Speaker: 01;41;46;05
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[01:41:54 - like the CIA and like how they protect us
and, like, care about us is wrong.] Speaker: 01;41;49;22
1

[01:41:58 - Like that's disorienting of oh
well we are government with like actually] Speaker: 01;41;54;06
1

[01:42:02 - like instill fascism in countries
like Venezuela,] Speaker: 01;41;58;00
1

[01:42:06 - Indonesia, Chile in order to create,] Speaker: 01;42;03;04
1

[01:42:10 - you know, ultimately like banana republics
and like that, we get into like] Speaker: 01;42;06;23
1

[01:42:13 - and to have, like, this neoliberal agenda] Speaker: 01;42;10;22
1

[01:42:16 - that's disorienting, like,
it's disorienting to learn like OSHA.] Speaker: 01;42;13;18
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[01:42:17 - Wait a minute.] Speaker: 01;42;16;20
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[01:42:19 - I was taught America's
a good guy. Like, we're.] Speaker: 01;42;17;04
1

[01:42:20 - The good guys.] Speaker: 01;42;19;24
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[01:42:23 - This is probably going to get me
a lot of shit if people listen to this.] Speaker: 01;42;20;21
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[01:42:24 - But I think the I think] Speaker: 01;42;23;05
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[01:42:26 - I think we have to] Speaker: 01;42;25;27
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[01:42:29 - recognize that we have over 800 bases
across the world,] Speaker: 01;42;26;26
1

[01:42:34 - and we are not the good guys
to a lot of people,] Speaker: 01;42;30;28
1

[01:42:35 - because all we do is we go there and we,] Speaker: 01;42;34;02
1

[01:42:38 - you know, the you hear the term,
it's like you just go bomb brown people.] Speaker: 01;42;35;19
1

[01:42:39 - It's like kind of yeah,
we kind of do that.] Speaker: 01;42;38;11
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[01:42:41 - We need to stop doing that. Yeah.] Speaker: 01;42;39;26
1

[01:42:43 - And then we like,] Speaker: 01;42;41;09
1

[01:42:46 - get to be able to have good trade
policy, make a lot of money] Speaker: 01;42;43;02
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[01:42:48 - if you want to get to like,
you know, whatever.] Speaker: 01;42;46;07
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[01:42:51 - There's nothing like
the largest transfer of wealth in human] Speaker: 01;42;48;12
1

[01:42:54 - history happened
during the first few months of Covid.] Speaker: 01;42;51;18
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[01:42:56 - Did you know that. You're saying now.] Speaker: 01;42;54;23
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[01:43:00 - The largest transfer of wealth in human
history went from you and me] Speaker: 01;42;56;06
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[01:43:03 - to whatever those top people are?] Speaker: 01;43;00;26
1

[01:43:06 - And you know, I don't that's it.] Speaker: 01;43;03;16
1

[01:43:07 - That's I think so] Speaker: 01;43;06;18
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[01:43:09 - here's, here's the,
the way I understand it,] Speaker: 01;43;07;23
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[01:43:12 - the way that it was explained to me
is like the difference between America] Speaker: 01;43;09;24
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[01:43:15 - and everywhere else
is, is that when you have a middle class.] Speaker: 01;43;12;04
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[01:43:16 - Right.] Speaker: 01;43;16;03
1

[01:43:18 - Because in other
countries like go to feudal] Speaker: 01;43;16;10
1

[01:43:23 - England or feudal Europe or China
or whatever, it's like that.] Speaker: 01;43;19;29
1

[01:43:25 - It's literally the haves, the have nots.] Speaker: 01;43;23;02
1

[01:43:26 - That's all it is.] Speaker: 01;43;25;02
1

[01:43:29 - So you're either a subservient slave
who has to do with the state says,] Speaker: 01;43;26;17
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[01:43:30 - or you're the one] Speaker: 01;43;29;17
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[01:43:34 - eating crab cakes in the palace, and you
and you could just tell people what to do.] Speaker: 01;43;30;05
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[01:43:38 - The thing about America
is that it had some sort of middle class] Speaker: 01;43;34;22
1

[01:43:43 - that was allowed to kind of help dictate
the future of where we were going.] Speaker: 01;43;38;10
1

[01:43:47 - And when Covid hit and it was like,
oh, we're destroying the middle class.] Speaker: 01;43;44;07
1

[01:43:49 - I'm like, here is the outcome.] Speaker: 01;43;47;26
1

[01:43:54 - The outcome is going to be the haves
and the have nots, not the haves sums.] Speaker: 01;43;49;26
1

[01:43:57 - And and I don't think that that's Democrat
or Republican.] Speaker: 01;43;54;28
1

[01:44:03 - No it's not and it's being and I don't
and it's and it gets enforced via fascism.] Speaker: 01;43;57;20
1

[01:44:06 - Because if we get to all connect.] Speaker: 01;44;03;12
1

[01:44:07 - To this word and I don't think it's right.] Speaker: 01;44;06;10
1

[01:44:10 - If we if we all basically all connect
here, we're all going to be like,] Speaker: 01;44;07;23
1

[01:44:13 - oh, holy shit,
we are under fascist America.] Speaker: 01;44;10;14
1

[01:44:15 - We are under censorship of our words.] Speaker: 01;44;13;09
1

[01:44:18 - We are under censorship of ideas. Yeah.] Speaker: 01;44;15;15
1

[01:44:22 - The other thing that I thought was
a little bit that shook me at the freedom,] Speaker: 01;44;18;28
1

[01:44:26 - rod of iron freedom,
first of all, was their positioning] Speaker: 01;44;22;24
1

[01:44:28 - of freedom, of religion
being more important] Speaker: 01;44;26;15
1

[01:44:31 - in the First Amendment
than freedom of speech.] Speaker: 01;44;28;28
1

[01:44:34 - And that got me a little scared,
to be honest.] Speaker: 01;44;31;26
1

[01:44:37 - Well, first of all, those people like,] Speaker: 01;44;34;24
1

[01:44:39 - look, everyone I've talked to said
they're really nice people up there.] Speaker: 01;44;37;17
1

[01:44:41 - I'm not saying this to disparage them.] Speaker: 01;44;39;26
1

[01:44:47 - Religion can not come before speech ever.] Speaker: 01;44;44;18
1

[01:44:50 - And these people will never be in charge
to make that happen.] Speaker: 01;44;47;01
1

[01:44:51 - And you have to be vigilant.] Speaker: 01;44;50;00
1

[01:44:55 - Well, I was a little shaken
that General Flynn said this.] Speaker: 01;44;51;09
1

[01:44:57 - Well, that the religious people,
you know what I mean?] Speaker: 01;44;55;09
1

[01:45:01 - Like the like
if you look at okay, so Michigan right] Speaker: 01;44;57;11
1

[01:45:05 - now, Michigan right now
is having like this explosion of like,] Speaker: 01;45;01;05
1

[01:45:08 - Islamic,] Speaker: 01;45;07;00
1

[01:45:12 - like, full council, like there's towns
that are just totally run] Speaker: 01;45;08;11
1

[01:45:15 - by people who have immigrated and are,
Muslim.] Speaker: 01;45;12;02
1

[01:45:17 - Right?] Speaker: 01;45;15;25
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[01:45:23 - They will put religion
first, over anything.] Speaker: 01;45;17;23
1

[01:45:27 - And because generationally,
this is what it is.] Speaker: 01;45;23;26
1

[01:45:30 - Right. And this is not a negative,
this is not a pejorative against.] Speaker: 01;45;27;16
1

[01:45:32 - It's just a thing that they do.] Speaker: 01;45;30;07
1

[01:45:36 - So we if, if they can't do it] Speaker: 01;45;32;24
1

[01:45:39 - because I think they can't
then no one can do it.] Speaker: 01;45;36;28
1

[01:45:41 - I don't care if you're Catholic, Jewish
whatever.] Speaker: 01;45;39;17
1

[01:45:43 - Religion should never come before.] Speaker: 01;45;41;22
1

[01:45:46 - But there is something,
there is something to be said about.] Speaker: 01;45;43;01
1

[01:45:51 - Particularly Christianity,] Speaker: 01;45;48;07
1

[01:45:55 - the way it kind of carries itself
and the way it's supposed to be] Speaker: 01;45;51;12
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[01:45:59 - seems to be better
for mankind than most other religions.] Speaker: 01;45;55;21
1

[01:46:00 - Yeah, it'd be nice.] Speaker: 01;45;59;10
1

[01:46:02 - I think that. Like the pursuit of it.] Speaker: 01;46;00;22
1

[01:46:05 - Yeah, that would the leaders of it,
because they're all scumbags.] Speaker: 01;46;02;26
1

[01:46:06 - Yeah. Yeah.] Speaker: 01;46;05;15
1

[01:46:10 - I mean, I do think that it is just
being used up to, like, my fear about it] Speaker: 01;46;06;14
1

[01:46:15 - because fascism is like censorship
of words, censorship of thoughts, ideas,] Speaker: 01;46;10;19
1

[01:46:17 - not being able to communicate
with each other. And so, like.] Speaker: 01;46;15;04
1

[01:46:20 - You bring it back to like,
so is communism. So] Speaker: 01;46;17;18
1

[01:46:22 - I don't know if that's necessarily true.] Speaker: 01;46;20;20
1

[01:46:25 - The same thing is this.
I don't know if. That's my wife.] Speaker: 01;46;22;26
1

[01:46:26 - My wife comes from Russia.] Speaker: 01;46;25;07
1

[01:46:28 - I know, I know,
I don't know if that's necessarily true.] Speaker: 01;46;26;13
1

[01:46:29 - I was going to say that before.] Speaker: 01;46;28;17
1

[01:46:31 - Like I obviously have not lived under
a communist.] Speaker: 01;46;29;16
1

[01:46:33 - I'm also not a communist. Like.] Speaker: 01;46;31;25
1

[01:46:34 - No, no, no I'm not.] Speaker: 01;46;33;27
1

[01:46:37 - I'm not saying that like I would
I would probably push back less] Speaker: 01;46;34;19
1

[01:46:39 - if you were like under a fascist
or a communist.] Speaker: 01;46;37;15
1

[01:46:42 - I'd be like, okay, that's fair.] Speaker: 01;46;39;24
1

[01:46:42 - Yeah.] Speaker: 01;46;42;00
1

[01:46:46 - No, but I won't though, because I don't
they're not the same thing.] Speaker: 01;46;42;08
1

[01:46:51 - Like, we can have, society with fascism
here in America under a so-called] Speaker: 01;46;46;04
1

[01:46:55 - democracy, technical technocracy,
technocratic society, whatever.] Speaker: 01;46;51;02
1

[01:46:58 - The I mean, that's actually our
that's a big fear.] Speaker: 01;46;55;24
1

[01:46:59 - The technocratic shit.] Speaker: 01;46;58;12
1

[01:47:01 - Will end like that. Yeah.] Speaker: 01;46;59;22
1

[01:47:06 - When, like, legit
like fascism is just the means of of it] Speaker: 01;47;01;00
1

[01:47:09 - utilizing authoritarianism like that.] Speaker: 01;47;06;03
1

[01:47:12 - I don't I don't think authoritarianism
is a separate way.] Speaker: 01;47;09;10
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[01:47:14 - I. Do. That makes sense.] Speaker: 01;47;13;02
1

[01:47:17 - Yeah, I. Do, I don't think I don't think.
You have a question.] Speaker: 01;47;14;20
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[01:47:18 - I have a question then because.] Speaker: 01;47;17;05
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[01:47:20 - There is do whatever you want, by.] Speaker: 01;47;19;13
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[01:47:21 - The way, then, okay.] Speaker: 01;47;20;14
1

[01:47:24 - So if] Speaker: 01;47;21;29
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[01:47:26 - then there's, there need to be
like a different type of word] Speaker: 01;47;24;05
1

[01:47:30 - or something to explain,
like what is happening in America.] Speaker: 01;47;26;23
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[01:47:33 - I don't think here's what I think.] Speaker: 01;47;30;06
1

[01:47:36 - I am highly against any subjugation.] Speaker: 01;47;33;04
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[01:47:39 - Like I'm a hardcore Constitution guy.] Speaker: 01;47;36;08
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[01:47:40 - Like insofar as.] Speaker: 01;47;39;04
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[01:47:42 - Yeah, you have it with yeah.] Speaker: 01;47;40;20
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[01:47:44 - Right here, right now.] Speaker: 01;47;42;08
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[01:47:47 - I never thought I would be that guy.] Speaker: 01;47;44;10
1

[01:47:49 - And that protects everybody.] Speaker: 01;47;47;28
1

[01:47:49 - It protects the people.] Speaker: 01;47;49;05
1

[01:47:52 - I don't, I don't agree with for sure.] Speaker: 01;47;49;28
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[01:47:56 - I don't see a differentiation] Speaker: 01;47;53;20
1

[01:47:59 - between any I, I'll,
all I see is freedom or oppression.] Speaker: 01;47;56;03
1

[01:48:03 - That's it is I don't see any
I don't care the Covid lockdowns.] Speaker: 01;48;00;02
1

[01:48:07 - Would you say that that. Was a
I thought it was authoritarian. Yes.] Speaker: 01;48;03;21
1

[01:48:08 - Okay.] Speaker: 01;48;07;16
1

[01:48:11 - I think that maybe we just have
to use a different word, although.] Speaker: 01;48;08;27
1

[01:48:14 - Some would say communist,
some would say fascist.] Speaker: 01;48;11;28
1

[01:48:17 - I yeah, I would say fascism for sure.] Speaker: 01;48;14;04
1

[01:48:20 - Like in
if and. I don't see the difference.] Speaker: 01;48;17;23
1

[01:48:21 - Well communism. Either. Both.] Speaker: 01;48;20;12
1

[01:48:25 - Communism is like
the is is ultimately like] Speaker: 01;48;21;24
1

[01:48:30 - the dividing of all money
in order to create,] Speaker: 01;48;26;01
1

[01:48:34 - communal commune experience. Sure.] Speaker: 01;48;31;05
1

[01:48:35 - And in theory it works.] Speaker: 01;48;34;11
1

[01:48:39 - But that but but I'm saying that
that's ultimately what will communism.] Speaker: 01;48;35;24
1

[01:48:41 - And it might only work
when you use fascism.] Speaker: 01;48;39;01
1

[01:48:43 - Not so communism like it's] Speaker: 01;48;41;26
1

[01:48:46 - they've they've believe it or not,
you can look up studies about this right.] Speaker: 01;48;43;12
1

[01:48:48 - So like the communal living thing. Right.] Speaker: 01;48;46;12
1

[01:48:51 - The good of many, all of us, we're
all working towards the common thing.] Speaker: 01;48;48;23
1

[01:48:53 - That's that's the, that's the,] Speaker: 01;48;51;23
1

[01:48:56 - the underpinning idea of communism.] Speaker: 01;48;54;12
1

[01:48:57 - Right?] Speaker: 01;48;56;22
1

[01:49:01 - Marx was kind of a piece of shit,
and even his fucking family hated them.] Speaker: 01;48;57;10
1

[01:49:06 - But anything over a group
of like a hundred people,] Speaker: 01;49;02;05
1

[01:49:09 - it always turns into authoritarianism.] Speaker: 01;49;06;17
1

[01:49:13 - Well, you're going to need
authoritarianism in order to like.] Speaker: 01;49;09;04
1

[01:49:16 - Yeah,
you're going to use authoritarianism. To.] Speaker: 01;49;13;12
1

[01:49:20 - Enforce the the whatever.] Speaker: 01;49;17;16
1

[01:49:22 - So the crazy thing about this
is there's something called common law.] Speaker: 01;49;20;03
1

[01:49:24 - I've ever heard of this.] Speaker: 01;49;22;13
1

[01:49:25 - Yeah. Give me a definition.] Speaker: 01;49;24;02
1

[01:49:25 - Okay.] Speaker: 01;49;25;10
1

[01:49:28 - So common law
is basically like the rules of God.] Speaker: 01;49;25;19
1

[01:49:30 - Right. Common law.] Speaker: 01;49;29;02
1

[01:49:32 - Strangely enough,
I've done like four podcasts] Speaker: 01;49;30;06
1

[01:49:34 - with dudes about common law,
and they're brilliant.] Speaker: 01;49;32;14
1

[01:49:37 - They're sweet guys,
but they're totally like,] Speaker: 01;49;34;12
1

[01:49:39 - they don't believe in the judicial system.] Speaker: 01;49;38;06
1

[01:49:41 - They think it's a fraud.] Speaker: 01;49;39;28
1

[01:49:42 - They think it's
they think it's a way to, like,] Speaker: 01;49;41;07
1

[01:49:45 - subjugate people
and force them to be debt slaves.] Speaker: 01;49;42;29
1

[01:49:49 - And so committing three felonies a day
and all that shit.] Speaker: 01;49;45;26
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[01:49:51 - So common law is basically,] Speaker: 01;49;49;16
1

[01:49:55 - persons and property, right?] Speaker: 01;49;53;04
1

[01:49:56 - It boils down to that.] Speaker: 01;49;55;01
1

[01:49:59 - So if you we can all live together.] Speaker: 01;49;56;17
1

[01:50:02 - Well, as long as you don't
fuck with my person or my property.] Speaker: 01;49;59;04
1

[01:50:04 - Could be my goats, could be my trees.] Speaker: 01;50;02;21
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[01:50:06 - Could mean whatever. Right.] Speaker: 01;50;04;06
1

[01:50:09 - If you if if I accuse you of competing] Speaker: 01;50;06;10
1

[01:50:11 - against that,
you have to defend yourself against that.] Speaker: 01;50;09;01
1

[01:50:12 - We don't need a court.] Speaker: 01;50;11;12
1

[01:50:14 - If we can't come to a resolution.] Speaker: 01;50;12;23
1

[01:50:17 - We have a jury of our peers,
which is the town.] Speaker: 01;50;14;11
1

[01:50:18 - You know, Billy did this.] Speaker: 01;50;17;10
1

[01:50:20 - Billy didn't do that. Right.] Speaker: 01;50;18;22
1

[01:50:23 - And we all agree that after
showing evidence, it's real, right?] Speaker: 01;50;20;10
1

[01:50:24 - Your claim is good.] Speaker: 01;50;23;24
1

[01:50:26 - You owe him restitution of X.] Speaker: 01;50;24;22
1

[01:50:28 - Right.] Speaker: 01;50;26;29
1

[01:50:30 - The strange thing about this is like that] Speaker: 01;50;28;26
1

[01:50:33 - that whole concept was so foreign to me
five years ago.] Speaker: 01;50;30;20
1

[01:50:36 - And now that I'm in, it's hard
to understand] Speaker: 01;50;34;10
1

[01:50:38 - because it's like trying to understand
Greek.] Speaker: 01;50;36;20
1

[01:50:42 - Like oh you're speaking to in Greek and
you're like oh I get all these concepts.] Speaker: 01;50;38;19
1

[01:50:45 - It's a hard concept to understand
because we've been programed] Speaker: 01;50;42;10
1

[01:50:46 - to not understand the concept.] Speaker: 01;50;45;05
1

[01:50:50 - It exists all over the world.] Speaker: 01;50;47;22
1

[01:50:53 - Small tribes, groups of people,] Speaker: 01;50;50;18
1

[01:50:57 - people who don't have formal governments,
they basically all have common law.] Speaker: 01;50;53;06
1

[01:50:58 - So how the fuck did they all know that?] Speaker: 01;50;57;06
1

[01:51:02 - Like if you fuck with my person or my
property, everything else were cool with.] Speaker: 01;50;58;20
1

[01:51:06 - That's basically
like where I stand with everything.] Speaker: 01;51;03;00
1

[01:51:07 - It has nothing to do] Speaker: 01;51;06;01
1

[01:51:11 - with like forms of government
or fucking tyrannical groups in the.] Speaker: 01;51;07;10
1

[01:51:14 - How come Nazis didn't exist
before World War two?] Speaker: 01;51;11;17
1

[01:51:17 - How come fascism fascism
didn't exist before World War two?] Speaker: 01;51;14;03
1

[01:51:20 - How come communism didn't
exist before 1913?] Speaker: 01;51;17;01
1

[01:51:22 - What were they called before them.] Speaker: 01;51;20;05
1

[01:51:23 - They all have different names. Right.] Speaker: 01;51;22;13
1

[01:51:27 - But it all leads to authoritarianism
which is the boot on your fucking neck.] Speaker: 01;51;23;27
1

[01:51:28 - Yeah. 100%.] Speaker: 01;51;27;16
1

[01:51:32 - So when we, I'm trying to push back
on the fascism thing because] Speaker: 01;51;28;17
1

[01:51:34 - look my] Speaker: 01;51;33;26
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[01:51:37 - whatever side you think I'm on
and I'm more aligned probably with.] Speaker: 01;51;34;18
1

[01:51:38 - Right.] Speaker: 01;51;37;17
1

[01:51:41 - We look at what the other side is doing
and it's communist.] Speaker: 01;51;38;24
1

[01:51:44 - All the behaviors of communism.] Speaker: 01;51;43;03
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[01:51:50 - And then you guys look at this side
that's fascist And I'm the one going] Speaker: 01;51;44;13
1

[01:51:54 - like whether it's fascism or communism
I don't want either one of that.] Speaker: 01;51;50;10
1

[01:51:57 - I want total fucking freedom of people.] Speaker: 01;51;54;24
1

[01:51:58 - That's it for. Sure. Yeah.] Speaker: 01;51;57;14
1

[01:52:01 - Well I agree like I don't I do think] Speaker: 01;51;58;21
1

[01:52:05 - am I in your smart murky and like, you're,
you're you're smart,] Speaker: 01;52;02;00
1

[01:52:08 - you have emotional intelligence,
and I think you have an open heart.] Speaker: 01;52;05;17
1

[01:52:11 - I bet that you would be, too.] Speaker: 01;52;09;10
1

[01:52:14 - I do, I do, I do, I do believe you.] Speaker: 01;52;11;12
1

[01:52:15 - It hurts a lot. My heart hurts a lot.] Speaker: 01;52;14;03
1

[01:52:20 - And I think that and I bet that we could
come to a because I already hear it.] Speaker: 01;52;15;22
1

[01:52:23 - Like, it just sounds like you want to use
the word authoritarianism] Speaker: 01;52;20;14
1

[01:52:26 - and the word maybe people on the left
are quick to use as fascism,] Speaker: 01;52;23;19
1

[01:52:30 - but like the messaging though
is going to be well,] Speaker: 01;52;27;08
1

[01:52:34 - if like the people on the left
want fascism, they want communism.] Speaker: 01;52;30;11
1

[01:52:38 - That is definitely not true
like most people on the left.] Speaker: 01;52;35;06
1

[01:52:42 - But I don't see many people on the right
hand holding Mussolini signs.] Speaker: 01;52;38;10
1

[01:52:46 - Yeah, I also don't see many people
on the left holding Mussolini style.] Speaker: 01;52;42;10
1

[01:52:47 - Democratic socialists] Speaker: 01;52;46;06
1

[01:52:51 - are the ones that are also funding
whatever this no kings is this weekend.] Speaker: 01;52;47;11
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[01:52:51 - So like.] Speaker: 01;52;51;07
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[01:52:54 - No, that's not true.
The Democrats are MoveOn.org.] Speaker: 01;52;51;18
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[01:52:56 - No, it's like democratic socialist.] Speaker: 01;52;54;11
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[01:52:58 - There's like this whole they like all the] Speaker: 01;52;56;07
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[01:53:02 - all the all the people who are donating
and helping and blah blah.] Speaker: 01;52;58;18
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[01:53:05 - I bet that they have signed on
and cosigned it, but move on.] Speaker: 01;53;02;18
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[01:53:07 - That doesn't mean
I'm mad at democratic socialists.] Speaker: 01;53;05;16
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[01:53:08 - No, no, no.] Speaker: 01;53;07;28
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[01:53:11 - But I'm just saying,
like just to say like it is like I see the] Speaker: 01;53;08;09
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[01:53:15 - no Kings march as I do believe
protest is the lowest form of resistance.] Speaker: 01;53;11;08
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[01:53:18 - It is good for people to get it is.] Speaker: 01;53;15;24
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[01:53:19 - It's so true that I never thought.] Speaker: 01;53;18;03
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[01:53:21 - I've never heard it
that way. I've never heard it.] Speaker: 01;53;19;27
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[01:53:23 - That I mean it is, it is.] Speaker: 01;53;21;28
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[01:53:26 - It's good for people to be able to come
together and see like, okay, well, yeah.] Speaker: 01;53;23;12
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[01:53:29 - Oh, wait, I heard her. I heard it,
I missed, I misheard you, I'm sorry.] Speaker: 01;53;26;14
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[01:53:29 - No, no, no.] Speaker: 01;53;29;03
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[01:53:32 - Protest is the lowest form of resistance.] Speaker: 01;53;29;21
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[01:53:34 - Protest is the lowest form.] Speaker: 01;53;32;03
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[01:53:34 - It's the word.] Speaker: 01;53;34;02
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[01:53:37 - Yeah, resistance I heard I heard it
my head wrong, and I said I did that.] Speaker: 01;53;34;18
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[01:53:40 - Oh, I said wrong. Okay. No,
you didn't say anything. You missed.] Speaker: 01;53;37;22
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[01:53:43 - I took it in wrong. Okay.
But the, But like.] Speaker: 01;53;40;09
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[01:53:46 - Yeah, I mean. What's being resisted.] Speaker: 01;53;43;22
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[01:53:50 - Well, ultimately
what people on the left are seeing] Speaker: 01;53;46;28
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[01:53:55 - is things like
Ice agents coming in federal,] Speaker: 01;53;50;27
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[01:53:58 - federal military.] Speaker: 01;53;56;06
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[01:54:00 - So law enforcement,
federal law enforcement] Speaker: 01;53;58;00
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[01:54:04 - being employed in places
like Mount Cobb, Pennsylvania or whatever,] Speaker: 01;54;00;10
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[01:54:08 - or beating the shit out of people
in Chicago and soon Pittsburgh.] Speaker: 01;54;04;04
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[01:54:09 - And I always say, I'm] Speaker: 01;54;08;12
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[01:54:12 - not I'm not trying to scare people,
but ice is the tip of the iceberg.] Speaker: 01;54;09;14
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[01:54:16 - Like,
as somebody who does is an antifascist.] Speaker: 01;54;12;27
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[01:54:18 - I am an anti-fascist.] Speaker: 01;54;16;07
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[01:54:22 - As somebody who is anti-fascist,
anti-authoritarian means anti] Speaker: 01;54;18;12
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[01:54:27 - stepping on my rights as a human being,
as a woman who lives in America.] Speaker: 01;54;23;03
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[01:54:30 - And what rights are they stepping on?] Speaker: 01;54;28;11
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[01:54:33 - Well, eventually they're going
to step on my rights to say that.] Speaker: 01;54;30;11
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[01:54:35 - I don't think so.] Speaker: 01;54;33;26
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[01:54:37 - I hope not. Yeah, but I don't think so.] Speaker: 01;54;35;05
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[01:54:41 - So like but even that is there is there
is there something to be said about like] Speaker: 01;54;37;06
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[01:54:45 - the algorithms, the TV.] Speaker: 01;54;43;01
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[01:54:45 - Yes, of.] Speaker: 01;54;45;08
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[01:54:47 - Course it's of course.] Speaker: 01;54;45;18
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[01:54:50 - Is there a way for is is it possible?] Speaker: 01;54;47;12
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[01:54:52 - Just like advertising,
you say it three times.] Speaker: 01;54;50;05
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[01:54:53 - They believe it.] Speaker: 01;54;52;10
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[01:54:56 - Is it possible that] Speaker: 01;54;53;18
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[01:54:59 - all these fears are very misplaced?] Speaker: 01;54;56;05
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[01:55:01 - It is, but I'll say this.] Speaker: 01;55;00;06
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[01:55:03 - I'll say this, but, like what?] Speaker: 01;55;01;27
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[01:55:04 - Are you willing to entertain that?] Speaker: 01;55;03;08
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[01:55:06 - Yeah, I hope so. Okay, so then I hope so.] Speaker: 01;55;04;22
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[01:55:09 - Then we have to be really careful
about how we speak in certainty.] Speaker: 01;55;06;24
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[01:55:12 - You see what I'm saying?
Well, this is this is my.] Speaker: 01;55;10;13
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[01:55:14 - But it is my legitimate fear.
I don't know.] Speaker: 01;55;12;16
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[01:55:17 - I, I understand that, I understand that
what I'm saying is, is it pot?] Speaker: 01;55;14;18
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[01:55:18 - There's two things.] Speaker: 01;55;17;27
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[01:55:21 - Is it possible
that these fears are misplaced? Sure.] Speaker: 01;55;18;17
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[01:55:24 - And the second thing is, is
we need to be careful about things] Speaker: 01;55;21;09
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[01:55:27 - that we say are going
to be absolute in the future, because.] Speaker: 01;55;24;17
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[01:55:28 - I'm not saying that that's. Okay.] Speaker: 01;55;27;17
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[01:55:33 - So when we say so, when people say things
and I'm I'm not judging,] Speaker: 01;55;28;29
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[01:55:36 - I'm not saying anything about
like what you said was wrong] Speaker: 01;55;33;19
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[01:55:39 - because I have a real concern
about even me saying things like that.] Speaker: 01;55;36;16
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[01:55:42 - Yeah, you shouldn't like I don't
I can't I'm,] Speaker: 01;55;39;12
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[01:55:45 - I don't know what the end,
what the end zone of this is going to be.] Speaker: 01;55;42;21
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[01:55:47 - I do know that if we continue] Speaker: 01;55;45;26
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[01:55:51 - to move this way, we're more
this is more likely of a possibility.] Speaker: 01;55;47;10
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[01:55:53 - As somebody who. We should stop.] Speaker: 01;55;51;10
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[01:55:53 - Yeah.] Speaker: 01;55;53;10
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[01:55:57 - That as somebody who my own like I'm] Speaker: 01;55;53;25
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[01:56:00 - not a Democrat I guess I am.] Speaker: 01;55;57;22
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[01:56:03 - I have not voted for all anti-fascists.] Speaker: 01;56;01;02
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[01:56:04 - Even the right is antifa.] Speaker: 01;56;03;06
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[01:56:06 - That is the truth. Murky.
That is the truth.] Speaker: 01;56;04;06
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[01:56:10 - We are all anti-fascist
and like the purposefulness of like,] Speaker: 01;56;06;13
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[01:56:13 - oh, we need to put on this
that make this boogeyman right now] Speaker: 01;56;10;10
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[01:56:18 - about antifa and like, people are real,
but but I will say this like.] Speaker: 01;56;13;20
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[01:56:21 - I've been watching their violence
for at least five years,] Speaker: 01;56;18;23
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[01:56:22 - and I know that they've existed for ten.] Speaker: 01;56;21;11
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[01:56:27 - Well, you might you might not be being
served this, but as something for it.] Speaker: 01;56;22;25
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[01:56:28 - Listen to me.] Speaker: 01;56;27;13
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[01:56:32 - I can show you videos of me
marching with the IWW, which is aligned] Speaker: 01;56;28;03
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[01:56:37 - with, you know, typically gets misplaced
as Antifa like I the unions.] Speaker: 01;56;32;04
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[01:56:39 - Yes, baby. Yes.] Speaker: 01;56;37;12
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[01:56:41 - Isn't they just endorse Trump.] Speaker: 01;56;39;03
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[01:56:44 - Prop I mean, well,
I don't think the IWW which.] Speaker: 01;56;41;11
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[01:56:44 - Ones.] Speaker: 01;56;44;19
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[01:56:47 - Are the industrial workers of the world
are the.] Speaker: 01;56;44;25
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[01:56:51 - Well, there's no
the industrial workers of the world.] Speaker: 01;56;47;27
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[01:56:52 - Yeah, not of America.] Speaker: 01;56;51;07
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[01:56:54 - It's now it's the oldest union ever.] Speaker: 01;56;52;11
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[01:56:56 - Like, yeah.] Speaker: 01;56;54;23
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[01:56:58 - Anyways, like Antifa comes from like,] Speaker: 01;56;56;05
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[01:57:00 - yeah.] Speaker: 01;56;59;28
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[01:57:04 - I mean, it is new in the terms
of like 2000s.] Speaker: 01;57;00;11
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[01:57:07 - It's showing up was not it was it was in
it was in Italy.] Speaker: 01;57;04;07
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[01:57:08 - Well for sure,] Speaker: 01;57;07;16
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[01:57:11 - but I mean like Antifa, what we know
today, like the red and black flag.] Speaker: 01;57;08;04
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[01:57:13 - That was in Italy] Speaker: 01;57;11;08
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[01:57:14 - and and France.] Speaker: 01;57;13;12
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[01:57:17 - Yes, I agree, I agree with you
I this is true.] Speaker: 01;57;14;20
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[01:57:22 - This is true
what we like American Antifa, whatever.] Speaker: 01;57;18;02
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[01:57:26 - Because I've met with people like
I've I am Antifa like I've, I've been.] Speaker: 01;57;22;11
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[01:57:29 - And I think we all. Are. Yeah. That's
what I mean.] Speaker: 01;57;26;27
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[01:57:32 - But there's even whatever side
you think I'm on, I'm anti-fascist too.] Speaker: 01;57;29;09
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[01:57:35 - I think that most people are anti-fascist.] Speaker: 01;57;32;28
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[01:57:39 - I think that most people are antifa,
but there's no like as somebody] Speaker: 01;57;35;23
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[01:57:43 - who I've organized for the Green Party,
I've gone to, I used to be the vice] Speaker: 01;57;39;23
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[01:57:45 - president of the Lackawanna
County Green Party.] Speaker: 01;57;43;24
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[01:57:46 - I didn't know that.] Speaker: 01;57;45;24
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[01:57:48 - For two years
as a secretary for the other,] Speaker: 01;57;46;26
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[01:57:52 - we tried to like after organizing
for Bernie Sanders and like,] Speaker: 01;57;48;24
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[01:57:55 - we tried to get assimilated
into the Young Democrats,] Speaker: 01;57;52;04
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[01:57:59 - but they would not they wouldn't
let us and like, that was cool.] Speaker: 01;57;55;26
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[01:58:01 - And so anyways, we did like the.] Speaker: 01;57;59;27
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[01:58:04 - All inclusive party has their doors
locked. It's weird in that, yeah.] Speaker: 01;58;01;15
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[01:58:06 - We did a lot of good work there
and I'm really proud of it.] Speaker: 01;58;04;02
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[01:58:07 - But I got the expert.] Speaker: 01;58;06;02
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[01:58:10 - I got to go and meet
a whole bunch of people and I got to like.] Speaker: 01;58;07;15
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[01:58:14 - And even before that I was exposed
to some different types of people.] Speaker: 01;58;10;13
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[01:58:15 - But yeah,] Speaker: 01;58;14;08
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[01:58:19 - like I used to go to the Electric City
socialist reading group that was in here.] Speaker: 01;58;15;08
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[01:58:22 - Like, is that like like,
what do you mean like like] Speaker: 01;58;19;23
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[01:58:23 - it was like a book for you here.] Speaker: 01;58;22;13
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[01:58:24 - I was just going to say
there was a book club.] Speaker: 01;58;23;15
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[01:58:26 - It was a book club. And we reading.] Speaker: 01;58;24;27
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[01:58:30 - Like, theory
and like discussing theory and like.] Speaker: 01;58;26;23
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[01:58:33 - Yeah, because nobody also I'll say this
like I always say that like] Speaker: 01;58;30;10
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[01:58:37 - I read it
and I have not had television ever.] Speaker: 01;58;33;21
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[01:58:38 - That must be. Amazing.] Speaker: 01;58;37;24
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[01:58:42 - Like it's, it's
I do have the internet, I have my phone.] Speaker: 01;58;38;19
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[01:58:44 - I definitely have a phone addiction.
That is sure.] Speaker: 01;58;42;04
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[01:58:48 - But I am a reader, like I read a lot] Speaker: 01;58;44;03
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[01:58:53 - and I have the luxury of like having a job
that like, I'm not constantly under.] Speaker: 01;58;48;07
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[01:58:54 - I mean, I've heard a lot of stories,
but like,] Speaker: 01;58;53;05
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[01:58:59 - not under huge stress that I can't like,
read a book like I can read.] Speaker: 01;58;54;22
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[01:59:02 - I grew,
I went to Abington Heights blue and white,] Speaker: 01;58;59;01
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[01:59:04 - but right, I know, yeah,
I was a cheerleader.] Speaker: 01;59;02;07
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[01:59:06 - No. Absolutely not.
You did it really well.] Speaker: 01;59;04;10
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[01:59:08 - You did it really well. You did it
like you did it for a bunch of years.] Speaker: 01;59;06;16
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[01:59:12 - Yeah, I but but like,
I got a good education.] Speaker: 01;59;08;24
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[01:59:14 - Like I can read a book.] Speaker: 01;59;12;14
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[01:59:18 - Like, I can, like, I got to go to college
and I got to go to grad school.] Speaker: 01;59;14;04
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[01:59:19 - Like, I'm lucky.] Speaker: 01;59;18;13
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[01:59:23 - I am so insanely privileged
that I can read information] Speaker: 01;59;19;16
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[01:59:26 - and understand things like, do.
You feel guilty about that privilege?] Speaker: 01;59;23;20
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[01:59:29 - I feel guilty if I'm not] Speaker: 01;59;27;19
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[01:59:33 - actively using it for good,
for the benefit of all beings.] Speaker: 01;59;29;14
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[01:59:36 - So you feel like you feel like you owe
something.] Speaker: 01;59;33;02
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[01:59:39 - I feel like my own personal,
like spiritual life] Speaker: 01;59;36;26
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[01:59:43 - calls me to] Speaker: 01;59;40;11
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[01:59:47 - try to create a world
that is the benefit of all beings.] Speaker: 01;59;43;22
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[01:59:49 - But do you feel,] Speaker: 01;59;47;07
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[01:59:52 - do you feel called to it, or do you feel] Speaker: 01;59;49;10
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[01:59:55 - like you have to because of.] Speaker: 01;59;52;20
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[01:59:59 - I don't feel like I no, no, no, no,
I feel like I was] Speaker: 01;59;56;03
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[02:00:04 - yeah, that I have an insane privilege
to do this.] Speaker: 02;00;01;03
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[02:00:05 - Yeah. That I've.] Speaker: 02;00;04;00
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[02:00:06 - And then I haven't seen privileged like,] Speaker: 02;00;05;03
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[02:00:10 - this is what people would call like
post-traumatic growth of, like, having] Speaker: 02;00;06;17
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[02:00:14 - sucked up my childhood and my adolescence] Speaker: 02;00;10;27
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[02:00:17 - was fucked up like a score.] Speaker: 02;00;15;03
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[02:00:18 - Is it?] Speaker: 02;00;17;18
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[02:00:19 - I don't know what that is.] Speaker: 02;00;18;23
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[02:00:21 - What's an. Adverse
childhood experience and.] Speaker: 02;00;19;13
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[02:00:23 - What does it go to? Ten. Ten. Yeah.] Speaker: 02;00;21;10
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[02:00:24 - And like the more aces] Speaker: 02;00;23;02
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[02:00:27 - you have like literally
of course I was addicted to heroin.] Speaker: 02;00;24;10
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[02:00:28 - Of course.] Speaker: 02;00;27;15
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[02:00:30 - Of course I was shooting up heroin.] Speaker: 02;00;28;14
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[02:00:32 - I was 17 years old. Bravo
for crushing that.] Speaker: 02;00;30;03
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[02:00:34 - Yeah, I thank God, but like,] Speaker: 02;00;32;16
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[02:00:36 - thank God I had these experiences
because I would not be exposed] Speaker: 02;00;34;07
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[02:00:41 - to any of that world, any world of like,
what is it like for people in jail?] Speaker: 02;00;36;25
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[02:00:43 - Yeah, but you've been in the darkness.] Speaker: 02;00;41;07
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[02:00:44 - What do you mean. Like you've been.] Speaker: 02;00;43;15
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[02:00:45 - Oh, yeah. Like real suffering.] Speaker: 02;00;44;20
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[02:00:48 - And you've been in the dark. Real
basically trauma.] Speaker: 02;00;45;25
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[02:00:52 - Who better who better to try to to,
to help people than somebody] Speaker: 02;00;48;17
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[02:00:54 - who's come out of the darkness. Yeah.] Speaker: 02;00;52;16
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[02:00:57 - And I, I 100% agree with that. And] Speaker: 02;00;54;05
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[02:01:00 - I think that it is like lived experience
because that's the other thing too.] Speaker: 02;00;57;06
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[02:01:05 - Like it's so funny in in my job,
I hear the same fears from everybody.] Speaker: 02;01;00;14
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[02:01:11 - It's all the same series from everybody,
regardless of their political affiliation.] Speaker: 02;01;05;27
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[02:01:14 - Everybody is just having the same fear,
you know?] Speaker: 02;01;11;00
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[02:01:16 - And that's really what it is like.] Speaker: 02;01;14;28
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[02:01:20 - It breaks my heart like it,
because the truth is, like, we're humans.] Speaker: 02;01;16;05
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[02:01:23 - Like we got to like, love each other.
This is our one precious life.] Speaker: 02;01;20;20
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[02:01:27 - I love you,] Speaker: 02;01;26;14
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[02:01:30 - and I think, I think, I think there's
a lot of love in the world.] Speaker: 02;01;27;22
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[02:01:32 - And I think we have more in common
than we do. In part, we do.] Speaker: 02;01;30;14
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[02:01:36 - And I think I think me pushing back on you
a little bit.] Speaker: 02;01;32;22
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[02:01:38 - I don't even really just] Speaker: 02;01;37;05
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[02:01:40 - we ultimately are talking
about the same thing with different words.] Speaker: 02;01;38;11
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[02:01:41 - Yeah.] Speaker: 02;01;40;24
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[02:01:45 - But so here's so I think that most] Speaker: 02;01;41;16
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[02:01:49 - look, you came out of a darkness,
I came out of a darkness.] Speaker: 02;01;46;01
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[02:01:52 - And I think that there's,
there's a wisdom there.] Speaker: 02;01;49;26
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[02:01:56 - And I think there's a lot of people
in this world that don't have that wisdom.] Speaker: 02;01;52;12
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[02:01:57 - I agree.] Speaker: 02;01;56;09
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[02:02:00 - And they're rolling off of stories] Speaker: 02;01;57;03
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[02:02:04 - and things and without, you know, look,] Speaker: 02;02;00;20
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[02:02:08 - if I want to understand what it's like
to go through heart surgery, I don't ask] Speaker: 02;02;04;23
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[02:02:10 - the doctor. I asked the patient who lived.] Speaker: 02;02;08;05
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[02:02:12 - And I think that's really important to do.] Speaker: 02;02;10;29
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[02:02:14 - And, and, and and we're not.] Speaker: 02;02;12;26
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[02:02:15 - Yes. And we're not doing that.] Speaker: 02;02;14;18
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[02:02:18 - And I really hate I do hate it.] Speaker: 02;02;15;28
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[02:02:20 - I hate the ideas of.] Speaker: 02;02;18;06
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[02:02:26 - Saying that like things] Speaker: 02;02;23;20
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[02:02:30 - look, Donald
Trump is not the fucking messiah, right?] Speaker: 02;02;26;17
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[02:02:34 - I don't I don't know anyone who
looks at him like, I mean, I mean,] Speaker: 02;02;30;26
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[02:02:37 - look at sometimes people do the effigies,
but like, they did that for Kennedy.] Speaker: 02;02;34;14
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[02:02:40 - I still know grandparents who have JFK up
in their living room right.] Speaker: 02;02;37;15
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[02:02:44 - He's fallible.] Speaker: 02;02;43;00
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[02:02:46 - He's imperfect.] Speaker: 02;02;44;00
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[02:02:48 - A lot of the times he admits it,] Speaker: 02;02;46;24
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[02:02:51 - I was incredibly wrong] Speaker: 02;02;48;24
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[02:02:55 - on my hatred of him when I was earlier.] Speaker: 02;02;51;19
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[02:02:57 - Before Covid.] Speaker: 02;02;55;17
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[02:03:00 - I look at him now as,] Speaker: 02;02;57;19
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[02:03:02 - I mean, he's he's a 90s Democrat.] Speaker: 02;03;00;15
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[02:03:05 - All the things that he's doing right now
that everyone's calling fascist] Speaker: 02;03;02;24
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[02:03:08 - and all this. This is why I like.
I like the word.] Speaker: 02;03;05;25
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[02:03:11 - I guess it triggers me.] Speaker: 02;03;08;12
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[02:03:14 - I, I don't know if you're trying
to get a rise out of me.] Speaker: 02;03;12;19
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[02:03:17 - I don't know if people say
that to get a rise out of people,] Speaker: 02;03;14;25
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[02:03:22 - but it's like you like it's like calling
someone a racist who isn't a racist.] Speaker: 02;03;17;05
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[02:03:26 - And that's why it bothers me
because I'm like, it's not that.] Speaker: 02;03;22;25
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[02:03:27 - Yeah.] Speaker: 02;03;26;20
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[02:03:30 - And it's purposefully though being.] Speaker: 02;03;27;28
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[02:03:33 - But is a purpose,
but who's purposely using it because.] Speaker: 02;03;30;14
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[02:03:35 - You should just regime.] Speaker: 02;03;33;04
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[02:03:37 - Yeah. But you called it fascist.] Speaker: 02;03;35;17
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[02:03:39 - Yeah it is. Yeah.] Speaker: 02;03;37;12
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[02:03:40 - But it's I don't think it is.] Speaker: 02;03;39;04
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[02:03:44 - It's, it's the manipulation
of like you hear the word fascism] Speaker: 02;03;40;15
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[02:03:46 - and you have an immediate reaction,
just like I.] Speaker: 02;03;44;08
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[02:03:47 - Because I know what Mussolini was.] Speaker: 02;03;46;15
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[02:03:52 - But then I hear something like, Ice agents
and I have an immediate reaction.] Speaker: 02;03;47;26
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[02:03:54 - Right. And then I'm going to whatever.] Speaker: 02;03;52;06
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[02:03:57 - But what's so based out of this
fight or flight?] Speaker: 02;03;54;21
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[02:04:01 - So the concern but the concern for me
and in] Speaker: 02;03;57;18
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[02:04:07 - When I would] Speaker: 02;04;06;21
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[02:04:10 - I hate fucking being the guy who's like,
you know, when I was growing up] Speaker: 02;04;07;29
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[02:04:13 - and we had to walk uphill to school
in the snow both days.] Speaker: 02;04;10;18
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[02:04:18 - Obama got rid of more illegal
immigrants than Trump,] Speaker: 02;04;15;16
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[02:04:22 - and we never called him fascist.] Speaker: 02;04;19;10
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[02:04:26 - Why is it now like I look at it
as like whatever happened with the border] Speaker: 02;04;22;03
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[02:04:30 - when you allow upwards
of 20 million people to illegally] Speaker: 02;04;26;03
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[02:04:31 - come here and trust me,] Speaker: 02;04;30;18
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[02:04:35 - when countries go like this, we got some
pretty shitty people in our countries] Speaker: 02;04;31;21
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[02:04:38 - and there's a country that we can just
send them to and they're not here anymore.] Speaker: 02;04;35;18
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[02:04:41 - That's what that's what Colombia did.] Speaker: 02;04;39;22
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[02:04:44 - That's what Venezuela did. That's
what Argentina did.] Speaker: 02;04;41;28
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[02:04:45 - They didn't
send the best in the brightest.] Speaker: 02;04;44;01
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[02:04:46 - They sent the fucking] Speaker: 02;04;45;12
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[02:04:48 - the rapists and the murderers
and the terrible people up here.] Speaker: 02;04;46;12
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[02:04:51 - Yes, there were other
of course there are people] Speaker: 02;04;48;19
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[02:04:53 - who are fleeing from like,
this just sucks.] Speaker: 02;04;51;09
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[02:04:55 - I want to get out of here
and I want a better life in America.] Speaker: 02;04;53;16
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[02:04:57 - And I might have family there, right?] Speaker: 02;04;55;17
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[02:05:00 - But the problem is, is like in my
in my point of view,] Speaker: 02;04;57;03
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[02:05:03 - when you leave a border open and you allow] Speaker: 02;05;00;16
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[02:05:05 - the horrible] Speaker: 02;05;04;18
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[02:05:08 - people
with the absolutely beautiful people,] Speaker: 02;05;05;08
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[02:05:11 - you have now ruined it
for the beautiful people.] Speaker: 02;05;08;16
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[02:05:12 - And that's what happened.] Speaker: 02;05;11;09
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[02:05:12 - Yeah.] Speaker: 02;05;12;18
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[02:05:15 - So like the ice stuff,
like my wife's an immigrant.] Speaker: 02;05;12;26
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[02:05:18 - You know what pisses off immigrants
more than anything?] Speaker: 02;05;15;12
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[02:05:21 - I had to go through the whole process.] Speaker: 02;05;19;10
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[02:05:23 - Right. You didn't.] Speaker: 02;05;21;22
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[02:05:26 - And you're getting fucking health care and
you're getting fucking free room board.] Speaker: 02;05;23;05
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[02:05:29 - So people like immigrants like I'm friends] Speaker: 02;05;26;26
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[02:05:33 - with like a lot of immigrants
and they're, they, they, they love ice.] Speaker: 02;05;29;07
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[02:05:35 - We want ice.] Speaker: 02;05;33;28
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[02:05:38 - Like yeah I because they came illegally.] Speaker: 02;05;35;23
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[02:05:42 - My, my problem with ice is that the] Speaker: 02;05;38;03
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[02:05:48 - usurping states rights,
my problem with ice is coming into places] Speaker: 02;05;43;15
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[02:05:52 - and not working with state police
or the county.] Speaker: 02;05;48;16
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[02:05:56 - But it's obvious that those places
didn't do anything prior to this.] Speaker: 02;05;53;06
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[02:05:57 - Do you know what I mean?] Speaker: 02;05;56;27
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[02:05:59 - Like they let it happen.] Speaker: 02;05;57;18
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[02:06:01 - They let all these people come here.] Speaker: 02;05;59;04
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[02:06:05 - And they let them do whatever they want
with no consequence.] Speaker: 02;06;01;19
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[02:06:06 - I would say as. I would say.] Speaker: 02;06;05;07
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[02:06:10 - And then you got a guy who's going
like you have this, this TV show guy,] Speaker: 02;06;06;29
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[02:06:14 - who everyone's
like, yeah, I want my town safe.] Speaker: 02;06;12;05
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[02:06:17 - I want people to fucking follow the rules.] Speaker: 02;06;14;19
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[02:06:19 - I would push back a little bit to show if.] Speaker: 02;06;17;14
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[02:06:20 - You don't agree you should.] Speaker: 02;06;19;25
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[02:06:23 - Well I would push back
just because when I worked at the clinic,] Speaker: 02;06;20;21
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[02:06:31 - Yeah I don't know.] Speaker: 02;06;29;16
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[02:06:31 - I'm like us.] Speaker: 02;06;31;10
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[02:06:34 - You don't agree to like, say something
about working out the clinic,] Speaker: 02;06;31;25
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[02:06:37 - but I'm afraid, like, something
happening to the clinic, to be honest.] Speaker: 02;06;34;08
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[02:06:41 - But I could say that
Americans are that. Excuse me.] Speaker: 02;06;39;05
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[02:06:44 - That undocumented people in Pennsylvania] Speaker: 02;06;41;08
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[02:06:49 - do not get Medicaid or Medicare.] Speaker: 02;06;44;23
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[02:06:53 - There are certain situation,
of course, this is this is true.] Speaker: 02;06;50;00
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[02:06:57 - Undocumented people in Pennsylvania do not
qualify for Medicaid or Medicare, but.] Speaker: 02;06;54;02
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[02:07:00 - They're legally not supposed to.
But they're getting it.] Speaker: 02;06;57;21
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[02:07:02 - They're getting it because.] Speaker: 02;07;00;12
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[02:07:05 - Like there's a law that says they're not
supposed to, but they're getting it.] Speaker: 02;07;02;11
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[02:07:09 - Well, I would wonder what you're] Speaker: 02;07;06;24
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[02:07:13 - what that is, because I can tell you
what does happen is that undocumented] Speaker: 02;07;09;07
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[02:07:17 - people don't have health care,
but then they go to the emergency room] Speaker: 02;07;13;28
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[02:07:20 - like most people do
when they don't have health care,] Speaker: 02;07;17;26
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[02:07:22 - and then they get a huge bill
and then they can't pay the bill.] Speaker: 02;07;20;05
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[02:07:26 - So then the government, government,
via funds through,] Speaker: 02;07;22;17
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[02:07:29 - Medicaid fund sure goes.] Speaker: 02;07;27;05
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[02:07:32 - NPS that debt for the hospital. Right.] Speaker: 02;07;29;20
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[02:07:35 - So they're getting it for free.
So yeah, 100.] Speaker: 02;07;32;16
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[02:07:38 - But they're getting that they're getting
that emergency room visit for.] Speaker: 02;07;35;06
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[02:07:42 - But but my point is it's like they don't
just we're] Speaker: 02;07;38;19
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[02:07:45 - there's an assumption that they're like,
oh, I broke my leg.] Speaker: 02;07;42;14
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[02:07:48 - And I'm and I'm undocumented
and I go to the hospital.] Speaker: 02;07;45;07
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[02:07:49 - They know that that
bill is going to get paid.] Speaker: 02;07;48;02
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[02:07:51 - They know.] Speaker: 02;07;50;26
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[02:07:54 - I would say yes and no to that, because.] Speaker: 02;07;51;19
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[02:07:56 - You think you don't think
that in the community] Speaker: 02;07;54;02
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[02:07:57 - they're going to be like,
oh yeah, just go to the hospital, man.] Speaker: 02;07;56;01
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[02:07:58 - You have to pay the bill.] Speaker: 02;07;57;26
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[02:07:59 - The no.] Speaker: 02;07;58;28
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[02:08:02 - There's no recourse because you don't have
any documentation or citizenship.] Speaker: 02;07;59;23
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[02:08:04 - The worst they're going to do
is deport you.] Speaker: 02;08;02;26
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[02:08:07 - Yeah, they're I will say this,
like working with,] Speaker: 02;08;04;09
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[02:08:11 - this specific population
that we're talking about here in terms] Speaker: 02;08;07;24
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[02:08:14 - of being getting access to medical care
that,] Speaker: 02;08;11;07
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[02:08:19 - people do not go to the hospital] Speaker: 02;08;16;01
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[02:08:22 - because they are afraid of
getting a huge medical bill.] Speaker: 02;08;19;07
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[02:08:25 - And people do at home surgeries.] Speaker: 02;08;22;21
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[02:08:26 - People do at home.] Speaker: 02;08;25;09
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[02:08:29 - I mean, that that
but that can't be to a degree.] Speaker: 02;08;26;19
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[02:08:31 - That's like, oh my God.] Speaker: 02;08;29;11
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[02:08:34 - Like they can't be like, if you have an
illegal immigration population in like] Speaker: 02;08;31;03
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[02:08:38 - the smallest percentile
is the one doing home surgeries.] Speaker: 02;08;35;12
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[02:08:42 - Also, I think that people
who live in foreign countries that have] Speaker: 02;08;39;16
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[02:08:47 - that are doctors that come here,
they shouldn't be working at car washes.] Speaker: 02;08;42;28
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[02:08:49 - Yeah, they should be working in hospitals.] Speaker: 02;08;48;02
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[02:08:52 - If they're qualified and they can do it,
they shouldn't be.] Speaker: 02;08;49;29
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[02:08:53 - Yeah.] Speaker: 02;08;52;15
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[02:08:57 - I can tell you, though, you like that
the undocumented people that I have also] Speaker: 02;08;53;02
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[02:09:02 - had the privilege of getting to know
and hope to be able to get medical care,] Speaker: 02;08;57;16
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[02:09:05 - none of them were.] Speaker: 02;09;04;23
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[02:09:08 - None of those people were people like,] Speaker: 02;09;05;28
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[02:09:11 - oh, yeah, let's like go purposely
like fuck over the hospital.] Speaker: 02;09;08;03
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[02:09:13 - Most of these people that I don't.] Speaker: 02;09;11;29
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[02:09:14 - Think they're going in there
to destroy the hospital.] Speaker: 02;09;13;06
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[02:09:17 - Yeah, but I don't think they're like,
oh yeah, let's like, we have a cold, let's] Speaker: 02;09;14;29
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[02:09:20 - go to the E.R. because
we're not going to have to pay the bill.] Speaker: 02;09;17;29
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[02:09:22 - I don't think that that's the case.] Speaker: 02;09;20;24
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[02:09:26 - And why I can say for certainty
from my experience, that that's not] Speaker: 02;09;22;07
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[02:09:29 - ever what I've experienced.] Speaker: 02;09;27;17
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[02:09:32 - I've experience a lot of people
who are in fear, experience] Speaker: 02;09;29;15
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[02:09:34 - a lot of people who, like,
don't know what to do when, like the.] Speaker: 02;09;32;02
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[02:09:37 - Fucking
are they coming to you like you're not.] Speaker: 02;09;34;15
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[02:09:41 - So perspective matters, right?] Speaker: 02;09;38;06
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[02:09:44 - And it's like, you know,] Speaker: 02;09;41;28
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[02:09:48 - like like you, you have come
out of the dark place, right?] Speaker: 02;09;44;10
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[02:09:50 - Most people don't go into the dark place.] Speaker: 02;09;48;00
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[02:09:52 - So all they do
is hear about the dark place.] Speaker: 02;09;50;25
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[02:09:53 - Yeah for sure.] Speaker: 02;09;52;21
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[02:09:56 - And they and they
and they hypothesize upon it] Speaker: 02;09;53;08
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[02:10:00 - and think that that, that like, you know,
oh, this is but the truth is it's like] Speaker: 02;09;56;24
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[02:10:02 - only people
who have been to the dark place] Speaker: 02;10;00;22
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[02:10:04 - really,
truly understand the experience. Right?] Speaker: 02;10;02;07
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[02:10:08 - You see, and
I'm not and I'm not saying you're wrong.] Speaker: 02;10;05;08
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[02:10:12 - I'm saying that it's possible
that like when they come to see you.] Speaker: 02;10;08;09
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[02:10:16 - They don't tell the whole truth.] Speaker: 02;10;13;27
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[02:10:18 - Yeah. That could be true for sure.] Speaker: 02;10;16;17
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[02:10:21 - What I was doing there was qualifying] Speaker: 02;10;18;15
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[02:10:24 - people for our services
when that was a big part of it.] Speaker: 02;10;21;06
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[02:10:28 - Another part was I did do a lot of therapy
practice, which was very cool and fun.] Speaker: 02;10;24;16
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[02:10:32 - And I also helped
people talk to hospital systems,] Speaker: 02;10;29;14
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[02:10:38 - who had outstanding huge ass bills,
people who were dying of cancer,] Speaker: 02;10;33;03
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[02:10:41 - and their MRI, like the estimated cost] Speaker: 02;10;38;12
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[02:10:44 - for getting an MRI, was like $140,000.] Speaker: 02;10;41;12
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[02:10:45 - How is that?] Speaker: 02;10;44;28
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[02:10:48 - Prior to that discussing crazy,
I've known I knew] Speaker: 02;10;45;19
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[02:10:52 - multiple patients who died] Speaker: 02;10;48;27
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[02:10:55 - while I work there because they weren't
able to get medical care.] Speaker: 02;10;52;02
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[02:10:57 - Yeah, undocumented and document
like American.] Speaker: 02;10;55;18
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[02:11:01 - So I feel like I feel like doctors
and I don't think that] Speaker: 02;10;57;28
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[02:11:03 - they adhere to it anymore.] Speaker: 02;11;01;26
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[02:11:05 - I think it's like like an oath of office.] Speaker: 02;11;03;02
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[02:11:07 - I think they do the thing
and then forget that they made the pledge.] Speaker: 02;11;05;07
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[02:11:09 - But I think that the Hippocratic Oath] Speaker: 02;11;07;24
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[02:11:12 - is is sacrosanct.] Speaker: 02;11;10;19
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[02:11:14 - I think that they should
all participate in this.] Speaker: 02;11;12;26
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[02:11:15 - I agree.] Speaker: 02;11;14;18
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[02:11:18 - And the problem
is, is the incentive structure,] Speaker: 02;11;15;09
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[02:11:19 - the hospitals.] Speaker: 02;11;18;26
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[02:11:21 - Well that's it. And it's capitalism
ultimately.] Speaker: 02;11;19;15
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[02:11:23 - Like it is like making money.
It is capital.] Speaker: 02;11;21;15
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[02:11:27 - If everyone if everybody played
by the rules, capitalism would be great.] Speaker: 02;11;23;12
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[02:11:30 - Yeah. Don't play by the rules.] Speaker: 02;11;28;23
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[02:11:30 - Yeah.] Speaker: 02;11;30;14
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[02:11:34 - Because yeah, 100% in
this shit is like just the bottom] Speaker: 02;11;30;22
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[02:11:37 - is going to get deeper where we are going
to need the slave class.] Speaker: 02;11;34;14
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[02:11:41 - Ultimately, like the slave class
is going to get lower and lower] Speaker: 02;11;38;07
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[02:11:44 - and then the people are the
time is going to get higher and higher.] Speaker: 02;11;42;00
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[02:11:45 - That's ultimately where we're headed.] Speaker: 02;11;44;12
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[02:11:50 - You know, they say like what comes before
communism is late stage capitalism.] Speaker: 02;11;45;27
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[02:11:53 - Like that's what.] Speaker: 02;11;51;06
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[02:11:55 - I that's what they say.] Speaker: 02;11;53;11
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[02:11:56 - But I don't.] Speaker: 02;11;55;05
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[02:11:58 - I mean, I,
I don't know either. I'm not a communist.] Speaker: 02;11;56;09
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[02:12:01 - I'm like, so this is where I like
have to be a little audacious and like,] Speaker: 02;11;58;18
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[02:12:04 - this is where oh,
if people listen this whole fucking thing.] Speaker: 02;12;01;28
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[02:12:06 - You'd be surprised who does.] Speaker: 02;12;05;02
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[02:12:07 - This is where this is
where the culture, the] Speaker: 02;12;06;04
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[02:12:10 - this is where they're going to be like,
this lady is crazy.] Speaker: 02;12;07;29
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[02:12:13 - Now, I don't, I don't like I,
I definitely I'm not I mean, I'm] Speaker: 02;12;10;26
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[02:12:17 - a little crazy and fun, but,
you know, this might be where people.] Speaker: 02;12;13;27
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[02:12:22 - I lose some people in that
my hope is that we, like, evolve] Speaker: 02;12;17;21
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[02:12:28 - into some new place,
some secret third thing,] Speaker: 02;12;23;02
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[02:12:32 - something where we all can have
safety, connection, love,] Speaker: 02;12;28;03
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[02:12:36 - and not be oppressed
because we all really all of us.] Speaker: 02;12;32;26
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[02:12:39 - I don't know any billionaires.] Speaker: 02;12;37;03
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[02:12:41 - I don't feel, I don't feel weird.] Speaker: 02;12;39;04
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[02:12:43 - I can't believe I know billionaires now.] Speaker: 02;12;41;29
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[02:12:45 - I don't know billionaires.] Speaker: 02;12;43;22
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[02:12:48 - I never I do not think that
I know any billionaires.] Speaker: 02;12;45;10
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[02:12:48 - I don't think.] Speaker: 02;12;48;00
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[02:12:50 - I would buy. 1 or. 2 financially.] Speaker: 02;12;48;21
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[02:12:52 - I would be considered a slave class.] Speaker: 02;12;50;22
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[02:12:53 - Yeah. You are. Yeah, yeah.] Speaker: 02;12;52;08
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[02:12:55 - And I and I and I know billionaires.] Speaker: 02;12;53;20
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[02:12:57 - Yeah.
And I tell you something crazy about the,] Speaker: 02;12;55;18
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[02:13:03 - The ones
I met are really fucking nice people.] Speaker: 02;13;00;19
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[02:13:03 - Yeah. Okay.] Speaker: 02;13;03;04
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[02:13:07 - Well, I'm sure like, this is my
only spiritual work I have to work on.] Speaker: 02;13;03;26
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[02:13:09 - Like, we, you know, like they're.
Not all the devil.] Speaker: 02;13;07;07
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[02:13:12 - Yeah, I agree, and, like, your people are
the way that they are for a reason.] Speaker: 02;13;09;27
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[02:13:13 - Like people are.] Speaker: 02;13;12;28
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[02:13:16 - Make the money and have the money
and have the means to make money and do] Speaker: 02;13;13;22
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[02:13:20 - the things and work hard and whatever
in order to be where they are in life.] Speaker: 02;13;16;26
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[02:13:23 - Yeah. But like, I just look at,] Speaker: 02;13;20;28
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[02:13:27 - I just look at the people around me
and like, all the fear] Speaker: 02;13;24;06
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[02:13:28 - and suffering and division] Speaker: 02;13;27;01
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[02:13:32 - and like to go, I just have to like,
believe in, like live my life.] Speaker: 02;13;28;17
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[02:13:36 - That it's possible
that there is a different way.] Speaker: 02;13;32;23
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[02:13:40 - I, I thought of that too,
and that's what I really thought.] Speaker: 02;13;36;22
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[02:13:42 - I'm like,
there has to be a better way than this] Speaker: 02;13;40;06
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[02:13:44 - because this is
fucking pain for everybody.] Speaker: 02;13;42;00
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[02:13:48 - And the truth of the matter is,
the only conclusion I can come to] Speaker: 02;13;45;04
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[02:13:53 - is that like the fucking Constitution,
I'm sure you tell you.] Speaker: 02;13;48;21
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[02:13:55 - That would be any way though, right?] Speaker: 02;13;53;23
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[02:13:57 - Like, if we all, like, get back to, like,
actually caring about the Constitution,] Speaker: 02;13;55;03
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[02:14:00 - that would. Be the third way.
That's the third way for sure.] Speaker: 02;13;57;21
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[02:14:04 - I like I like the way everything,
everything about it is like,] Speaker: 02;14;00;20
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[02:14:06 - you get rid of,
you get rid of the corruption,] Speaker: 02;14;04;02
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[02:14:09 - you get rid of the bureaucracy,
you get rid of the incentive structure.] Speaker: 02;14;06;10
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[02:14:14 - You get rid of anyone who's like anyone
who profits off of anyone's pain.] Speaker: 02;14;10;00
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[02:14:16 - Sorry man, you are not a good person.] Speaker: 02;14;14;19
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[02:14:18 - You are not a good person.] Speaker: 02;14;16;14
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[02:14:19 - Yeah. That's.] Speaker: 02;14;18;25
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[02:14:22 - And that's why I'm considered a fascist.] Speaker: 02;14;19;29
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[02:14:23 - Yeah.] Speaker: 02;14;22;21
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[02:14:25 - From people
who don't know what fascism is that.] Speaker: 02;14;23;02
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[02:14:26 - But that's my point.] Speaker: 02;14;25;15
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[02:14:28 - This whole conversation
and it's like we don't know.] Speaker: 02;14;26;13
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[02:14:29 - 100% don't know.] Speaker: 02;14;28;26
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[02:14:31 - And they don't
let us have these conversations.] Speaker: 02;14;29;29
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[02:14:36 - And when I say they
I mean like groups like the fucking CIA,] Speaker: 02;14;31;28
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[02:14:37 - like I do mean groups.] Speaker: 02;14;36;11
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[02:14:40 - I'm, I've they're totally turn
your phone off.] Speaker: 02;14;37;23
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[02:14:42 - Well, there's no way around it. Like,
there's no way around it.] Speaker: 02;14;40;04
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[02:14:44 - It sucks. Edward Snowden showed us that.] Speaker: 02;14;42;21
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[02:14:45 - Yeah.] Speaker: 02;14;44;13
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[02:14:48 - I mean, even one of my, you know,
one of my favorite stories is I know] Speaker: 02;14;45;02
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[02:14:51 - we got to probably go soon, but like Allen
Dulles, like the creator of the CIA.] Speaker: 02;14;48;10
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[02:14:53 - He was his number two guy.] Speaker: 02;14;51;29
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[02:14:54 - I forget his fucking name.] Speaker: 02;14;53;07
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[02:14:57 - I just think it wasn't George Bush.] Speaker: 02;14;54;23
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[02:15:00 - Well, okay. Yeah. Yeah,
yeah. After him, after him.] Speaker: 02;14;57;21
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[02:15:01 - I'm talking about the fucking.] Speaker: 02;15;00;12
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[02:15:04 - The guy who worked side by side with him.] Speaker: 02;15;01;27
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[02:15:06 - Side by side with Dulles. God, it.] Speaker: 02;15;04;18
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[02:15:09 - Oh, Angleton. Angleton.
Yeah, yeah. Angleton.] Speaker: 02;15;06;29
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[02:15:13 - That scumbag Angleton was like,
I'm going to go to hell] Speaker: 02;15;09;20
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[02:15:15 - and I'm going to see everybody there.] Speaker: 02;15;13;13
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[02:15:17 - I'm going to see everybody I know in hell.] Speaker: 02;15;15;08
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[02:15:20 - And that I think I said this to you, like,
whatever.] Speaker: 02;15;17;07
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[02:15:23 - At some point in a parking lot,
I have a memory of saying, like.] Speaker: 02;15;20;05
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[02:15:25 - You know, what a straight restart,
a story like.] Speaker: 02;15;23;02
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[02:15:28 - Of us meeting and like me
probably going on a tangent about fucking] Speaker: 02;15;25;19
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[02:15:32 - the CIA, remember Allen Dulles,
but like one of my favorite stories] Speaker: 02;15;28;28
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[02:15:36 - of, like, the influence of the fucking CIA
and imposing things like,] Speaker: 02;15;32;06
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[02:15:42 - you know, whatever anti-communist regimes
in Indonesia] Speaker: 02;15;37;19
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[02:15:47 - to kill people via
the use of fascism, to have dictatorships] Speaker: 02;15;42;25
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[02:15:51 - and whatever, have murder squads
in Chile, in Venezuela] Speaker: 02;15;47;18
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[02:15:55 - and all these fucking places,
and to use fascism in those countries] Speaker: 02;15;51;00
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[02:16:00 - to ultimately instill the regime
that was going to be good for his,] Speaker: 02;15;55;03
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[02:16:03 - you know, his brother and his friends
who owned companies] Speaker: 02;16;00;21
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[02:16:07 - that are going to be able
to operate there now and take, you know,] Speaker: 02;16;03;23
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[02:16:08 - get all the bananas, whatever.] Speaker: 02;16;07;07
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[02:16:10 - Okay.] Speaker: 02;16;09;18
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[02:16:15 - You know, Kennedy JFK fired Dulles
after after, Bay of pigs.] Speaker: 02;16;10;01
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[02:16:16 - Right.] Speaker: 02;16;15;28
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[02:16:16 - You know why.] Speaker: 02;16;16;11
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[02:16:17 - They killed him?] Speaker: 02;16;16;20
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[02:16:20 - Well.] Speaker: 02;16;17;23
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[02:16:21 - You said it.] Speaker: 02;16;20;21
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[02:16:23 - He said,
I want to break the CIA into a thousand.] Speaker: 02;16;21;04
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[02:16:23 - Well, that's.] Speaker: 02;16;23;12
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[02:16:25 - Yes, 100%.] Speaker: 02;16;23;25
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[02:16:29 - 100%, because the CIA fucked over JFK,
the CIA did Bay of pigs,] Speaker: 02;16;25;01
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[02:16:31 - and then JFK was like,
all right, I want us.] Speaker: 02;16;29;26
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[02:16:34 - You're out of here. So he fired Allen.] Speaker: 02;16;31;29
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[02:16:36 - He was actually the Bay of pigs
that made him say that. Yeah.] Speaker: 02;16;34;01
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[02:16:37 - And he fired.] Speaker: 02;16;36;15
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[02:16:41 - Yes, he fired Allen Dulles
and then took all of the shit out of,] Speaker: 02;16;37;04
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[02:16:45 - the CIA headquarters that, like, showdown
dolls his face and basically removed him.] Speaker: 02;16;41;13
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[02:16:47 - And he basically started it.] Speaker: 02;16;45;25
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[02:16:49 - He he did he did start it.] Speaker: 02;16;47;06
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[02:16:52 - He started in the OSS
and then created the CIA.] Speaker: 02;16;49;01
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[02:16:57 - The the, It was the OSS working with 100%.] Speaker: 02;16;52;05
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[02:17:03 - And who was profiting IBM, Ford,
like all these big companies, bear 100%.] Speaker: 02;16;57;19
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[02:17:07 - And we weren't working with, the people
we want to believe we were working with.] Speaker: 02;17;03;25
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[02:17:12 - So, you know that, like after World
War Two, we took all all the Nazis 100%.] Speaker: 02;17;07;21
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[02:17:13 - Yeah, one of them.] Speaker: 02;17;12;14
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[02:17:16 - And then we put them in charge of NASA,
100% in the media.] Speaker: 02;17;13;05
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[02:17:17 - Yeah.] Speaker: 02;17;17;07
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[02:17:22 - And we also, I mean, Finkelstein,
you never read Norm Finkelstein.] Speaker: 02;17;17;17
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[02:17:25 - I know the name. He's a genius.] Speaker: 02;17;22;07
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[02:17:28 - And I do. He's, Yeah.] Speaker: 02;17;25;22
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[02:17:31 - He wrote a very controversial book
that I don't want to talk about it.] Speaker: 02;17;28;06
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[02:17:32 - I'm too nervous.] Speaker: 02;17;31;15
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[02:17:34 - I don't want to give my name. See what?
This is terrible.] Speaker: 02;17;32;23
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[02:17:35 - This is terrible.] Speaker: 02;17;34;19
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[02:17:38 - That we would be nervous
about talking about a thing is as just.] Speaker: 02;17;35;10
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[02:17:40 - The book is the Holocaust industry.] Speaker: 02;17;38;21
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[02:17:42 - And it talks about, like,
what happened with, like,] Speaker: 02;17;40;10
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[02:17:45 - people's bank accounts,
like who died in the Holocaust and.] Speaker: 02;17;42;22
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[02:17:47 - Where that money goes, what's. What. Yeah,] Speaker: 02;17;45;27
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[02:17:51 - I here's I want, I want to, I want to but.] Speaker: 02;17;49;00
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[02:17:54 - My my quote about Dulles, my final quote
about Dulles though is that like somebody] Speaker: 02;17;51;21
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[02:17:58 - asked him years later after Kennedy died,
I wonder how why?] Speaker: 02;17;54;27
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[02:18:01 - Somebody asked Allen Dulles after was on.] Speaker: 02;17;58;29
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[02:18:04 - The Warren Commission. After. Yes.] Speaker: 02;18;01;04
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[02:18:07 - After he dies after years
after somebody asked Dulles like, aren't] Speaker: 02;18;04;00
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[02:18:12 - you, like, offended,
like you created this entire huge agency] Speaker: 02;18;07;25
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[02:18:15 - for America and like,
you're nowhere to be found in there.] Speaker: 02;18;12;13
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[02:18:18 - And he said, well, you know,] Speaker: 02;18;16;03
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[02:18:22 - it doesn't matter because, like,
I exist in all things everywhere,] Speaker: 02;18;18;03
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[02:18:25 - my influence exists in all things,
everywhere, forever.] Speaker: 02;18;22;04
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[02:18:30 - And there is a statue of Allen Dulles
that basically has that same quote in DC] Speaker: 02;18;26;08
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[02:18:33 - that is just like,
I exist and everything everywhere.] Speaker: 02;18;30;28
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[02:18:35 - I've done this much manipulation.] Speaker: 02;18;33;04
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[02:18:36 - Do you think,] Speaker: 02;18;35;12
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[02:18:40 - do you believe that
the CIA, in their charter,] Speaker: 02;18;36;24
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[02:18:42 - it says they're not allowed
to operate on American soil?] Speaker: 02;18;40;08
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[02:18:45 - Do you think that they I.] Speaker: 02;18;43;27
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[02:18:46 - Mean, that's already been proven wrong.] Speaker: 02;18;45;01
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[02:18:49 - You know, it's
something called the Smith Month Act is.] Speaker: 02;18;46;27
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[02:18:51 - No, I don't know what that is.] Speaker: 02;18;49;10
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[02:18:54 - So after World War two,] Speaker: 02;18;51;00
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[02:18:56 - the United States passed] Speaker: 02;18;54;18
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[02:18:59 - an act called the Smith Act
and the Smith Act] Speaker: 02;18;56;22
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[02:19:03 - was put in place because of what they saw
happen in Nazi Germany with propaganda.] Speaker: 02;18;59;28
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[02:19:07 - And what it said was basically that you,
not you are not allowed] Speaker: 02;19;04;06
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[02:19:10 - to propagandize
your people in the United States.] Speaker: 02;19;07;01
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[02:19:14 - Anybody, anybody who is like
an American citizen, American company,] Speaker: 02;19;10;01
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[02:19:17 - the CIA, anybody,
they can't propagandize the citizens.] Speaker: 02;19;14;07
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[02:19:21 - Do you know that that was revoked?] Speaker: 02;19;18;17
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[02:19:23 - Do you know when that was revoked?] Speaker: 02;19;21;26
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[02:19:24 - When I.] Speaker: 02;19;23;26
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[02:19:28 - 2012, you know, revoked it. Who?] Speaker: 02;19;24;20
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[02:19:29 - Obama.] Speaker: 02;19;28;01
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[02:19:31 - Well, I was going to say this before
when you talk about Obama, like] Speaker: 02;19;29;08
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[02:19:34 - I'm not saying Obama isn't the fascist.] Speaker: 02;19;31;27
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[02:19:38 - If you but if you say so if you look
go back and look at like the Google stuff.] Speaker: 02;19;34;04
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[02:19:38 - Right.] Speaker: 02;19;38;17
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[02:19:44 - So Google can can say you know, oh 1700
people have looked up the word Snickers.] Speaker: 02;19;38;26
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[02:19:46 - Yes. In the country, right?] Speaker: 02;19;44;29
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[02:19:50 - Yes. When you start looking up
the buzzwords, yes, such as fascism,] Speaker: 02;19;46;23
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[02:19:52 - racism, bigotry, blah blah blah,] Speaker: 02;19;50;20
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[02:19:56 - and you look at it on the timeline
in 2012,] Speaker: 02;19;53;23
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[02:20:00 - it spikes and it goes up and up and up.] Speaker: 02;19;57;20
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[02:20:02 - And you know who those were?] Speaker: 02;20;00;26
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[02:20:05 - Those instances
were coming from the newspapers.] Speaker: 02;20;02;04
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[02:20:09 - Yeah, TV,
the cable TV shows blah blah blah.] Speaker: 02;20;05;16
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[02:20:10 - And it was the Washington.] Speaker: 02;20;09;12
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[02:20:12 - It was, it was a New York Times,
it was the Washington Post,] Speaker: 02;20;10;07
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[02:20:14 - it was rolling Stone,
it was all this stuff.] Speaker: 02;20;12;20
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[02:20:16 - So they were now allowed] Speaker: 02;20;14;14
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[02:20:20 - without any retribution to propagandize
the American people.] Speaker: 02;20;16;22
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[02:20:24 - That is what I say about like
the word fascism, like giving an a,] Speaker: 02;20;20;27
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[02:20:27 - an emotional reaction
like that is what I think is happening.] Speaker: 02;20;24;03
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[02:20:31 - I think that that's being used to stop us
from being able] Speaker: 02;20;28;02
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[02:20:34 - to talk about what it actually is,
have connection instead.] Speaker: 02;20;31;05
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[02:20:37 - But you think this administration is
is practicing fascism?] Speaker: 02;20;34;05
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[02:20:38 - I think it's there.] Speaker: 02;20;37;08
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[02:20:41 - And I just I just disagree with you
because I don't think that's happening.] Speaker: 02;20;38;17
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[02:20:43 - Yeah. Yeah.
We just disagree about it. Yeah.] Speaker: 02;20;41;07
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[02:20:46 - We disagree about it.
And that's all that it is.] Speaker: 02;20;43;20
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[02:20:51 - And I bet that yeah I bet ultimately
we could find something where we do agree] Speaker: 02;20;46;04
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[02:20:53 - that we. Agreed on 98% of the thing.] Speaker: 02;20;51;11
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[02:20:55 - Yeah. My, my only,
my only pushback is like I don't] Speaker: 02;20;53;08
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[02:20:59 - I would never be a person] Speaker: 02;20;57;03
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[02:21:03 - who would support any fascist regime.] Speaker: 02;20;59;15
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[02:21:06 - I don't think that Trump also is like] Speaker: 02;21;03;17
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[02:21:09 - a god that like, has control] Speaker: 02;21;06;18
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[02:21:12 - and that like he's like] Speaker: 02;21;10;12
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[02:21:16 - the number one,
like I like there's a whole] Speaker: 02;21;12;29
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[02:21:20 - there's a whole bunch of people
behind Trump.] Speaker: 02;21;16;22
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[02:21:24 - Like there's a whole bunch of people
behind any president.] Speaker: 02;21;20;16
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[02:21:27 - But do you think that
they're the puppet masters] Speaker: 02;21;24;13
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[02:21:30 - and he's the puppet?] Speaker: 02;21;27;20
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[02:21:34 - To a degree.] Speaker: 02;21;32;01
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[02:21:36 - I think there's an incentive structure
there.] Speaker: 02;21;34;15
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[02:21:39 - But at the end of the day,
I don't think I don't think Trump, but] Speaker: 02;21;36;10
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[02:21:41 - I don't think he's a puppet.] Speaker: 02;21;40;14
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[02:21:45 - I mean, he might have a couple strings
on them, but not to the degree of like,] Speaker: 02;21;41;25
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[02:21:48 - you know, you're a marionette
that says and does whatever] Speaker: 02;21;45;08
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[02:21:52 - we want you to do because, look,
my buddy, I have a I have a friend who's] Speaker: 02;21;48;00
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[02:21:55 - incredibly close with the Clinton family,] Speaker: 02;21;52;02
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[02:21:57 - like, for 30 years, incredibly close.] Speaker: 02;21;55;04
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[02:21:59 - And he said to me
one day he's involved in politics.] Speaker: 02;21;57;28
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[02:22:00 - And he said, the one] Speaker: 02;21;59;25
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[02:22:01 - he said to me one day he goes,] Speaker: 02;22;00;16
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[02:22:05 - I've been at Republican conferences
and I've been a Democrat conferences] Speaker: 02;22;01;20
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[02:22:07 - because he would
work politics on both sides.] Speaker: 02;22;05;19
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[02:22:11 - He goes, it's always the same sponsors.] Speaker: 02;22;08;28
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[02:22:12 - Yeah, I mean, that's a truth.] Speaker: 02;22;11;01
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[02:22:16 - You know, like people are like,
oh, you know, con la la la.] Speaker: 02;22;12;21
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[02:22:20 - And like when, like Elon
Musk donates to every, every anybody] Speaker: 02;22;16;12
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[02:22:23 - with money is going to donate
to both people to do inside.] Speaker: 02;22;20;10
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[02:22:26 - It's like, that's a true 100% because.] Speaker: 02;22;23;17
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[02:22:27 - You're hedging your bets.] Speaker: 02;22;26;08
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[02:22:28 - That's hedging your bets.] Speaker: 02;22;27;17
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[02:22:29 - That's the truth.] Speaker: 02;22;28;23
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[02:22:30 - Like, you know, this stuff is crazy,] Speaker: 02;22;29;11
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[02:22:34 - but they want this to all be like,
oh, this is crazy shit.] Speaker: 02;22;30;21
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[02:22:36 - Like don't and like even buzzwords.] Speaker: 02;22;34;03
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[02:22:37 - I was talking to somebody
I know we got to go soon,] Speaker: 02;22;36;04
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[02:22:40 - but somebody was talking to me recently
and I said, well, you know,] Speaker: 02;22;37;26
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[02:22:43 - there is like dark money
involved on both sides.] Speaker: 02;22;40;09
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[02:22:45 - And somebody said to me, oh, what is that?] Speaker: 02;22;43;12
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[02:22:47 - That's a dog whistle.] Speaker: 02;22;45;21
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[02:22:51 - It's a what I said the word, I said dog,
I said, I said, oh, dark money.] Speaker: 02;22;47;19
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[02:22:52 - And they said, yeah, that's a dog whistle.] Speaker: 02;22;51;09
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[02:22:54 - And I said, oh, okay.] Speaker: 02;22;52;19
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[02:22:58 - I was like, well, let me just
explain what, what dark money actually is.] Speaker: 02;22;54;18
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[02:23:01 - And like just having though
the fact of like,] Speaker: 02;22;58;26
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[02:23:04 - whoa, that's a that like stresses me out.] Speaker: 02;23;02;04
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[02:23:08 - Like that's a, that's a dog whistle
that stops me from being able to like] Speaker: 02;23;04;24
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[02:23:11 - actually talk about what the shit is
and that is purpose.] Speaker: 02;23;08;20
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[02:23:13 - Did you know that I ran for school board
like, two years did?] Speaker: 02;23;11;25
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[02:23:15 - Yes. So] Speaker: 02;23;13;22
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[02:23:19 - I get invited to Jack's] Speaker: 02;23;16;13
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[02:23:23 - draft house, so there's, like, a hill
section neighborhood association, right?] Speaker: 02;23;19;27
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[02:23:27 - This this was one of the most profound
things] Speaker: 02;23;23;23
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[02:23:30 - it's ever happened in my life.] Speaker: 02;23;27;19
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[02:23:34 - So it's like a they were separating it
by, like it was the primary.] Speaker: 02;23;30;22
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[02:23:35 - So they were separating it by like the] Speaker: 02;23;34;00
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[02:23:39 - we'll do the Republican candidates
at from this time to this time,] Speaker: 02;23;35;23
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[02:23:41 - or do the Democrat candidates
from like this time to this time.] Speaker: 02;23;39;20
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[02:23:45 - So it was like six to 6 to 8
was the Republicans] Speaker: 02;23;41;28
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[02:23:48 - and then 8 to 10 would be the Democrats.] Speaker: 02;23;45;23
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[02:23:51 - And these are all all these Republican] Speaker: 02;23;48;27
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[02:23:54 - people are like,
there's a couple screw loose people.] Speaker: 02;23;51;21
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[02:23:57 - Like they're a little out there.
They're not afraid to say things.] Speaker: 02;23;55;04
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[02:23:58 - It's like, now] Speaker: 02;23;57;12
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[02:24:01 - maybe don't say that in front of everybody
or like choose your words better.] Speaker: 02;23;58;13
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[02:24:06 - And there was this guy there.] Speaker: 02;24;03;01
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[02:24:08 - And I don't want to say his name,] Speaker: 02;24;06;06
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[02:24:12 - but he he's a hard core.] Speaker: 02;24;08;01
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[02:24:13 - Put it this way.] Speaker: 02;24;12;19
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[02:24:16 - He's leading a lot of the protests.] Speaker: 02;24;13;20
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[02:24:19 - I didn't know who he was
I, they had some food for us.] Speaker: 02;24;16;17
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[02:24:21 - It was like finger bites
and stuff like that.] Speaker: 02;24;19;18
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[02:24:24 - And he looks at me and he goes, he goes,
why are you running for school board?] Speaker: 02;24;21;07
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[02:24:27 - And I said, well I think we really need
to do better to educate.] Speaker: 02;24;25;07
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[02:24:30 - You know,
our kids are not getting smarter.] Speaker: 02;24;27;17
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[02:24:31 - They don't feel safer.] Speaker: 02;24;30;07
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[02:24:34 - I said, I think we need to make sure
that like we can protect them] Speaker: 02;24;31;25
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[02:24:37 - and, and, and make sure that they like
are the goal of the school district] Speaker: 02;24;34;07
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[02:24:41 - is to make sure that like when the kids
graduate, they can be awesome.] Speaker: 02;24;37;24
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[02:24:43 - They can they can do what they want.] Speaker: 02;24;41;27
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[02:24:46 - They can, they can start a small business.] Speaker: 02;24;43;24
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[02:24:48 - They can go to college,
they can do whatever they want,] Speaker: 02;24;46;01
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[02:24:51 - and they just need to have critical
thinking skills and be pragmatic.] Speaker: 02;24;48;10
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[02:24:53 - Like,
that's all I want it. Conflict resolution.] Speaker: 02;24;51;02
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[02:24:55 - Call out the bullshit
that the district pays for that] Speaker: 02;24;53;17
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[02:24:59 - they shouldn't, and make sure that
these kids are smarter and less afraid.] Speaker: 02;24;55;09
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[02:25:02 - And he goes, well, what do you mean,
like what?] Speaker: 02;25;00;18
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[02:25:05 - And I had literally that morning
read this article from about Baltimore,] Speaker: 02;25;02;16
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[02:25:07 - the Baltimore school district,] Speaker: 02;25;05;28
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[02:25:11 - where 72, 72% of all
those kids are functionally illiterate.] Speaker: 02;25;07;13
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[02:25:12 - Right.] Speaker: 02;25;12;00
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[02:25:14 - That fucking blew my mind.] Speaker: 02;25;12;18
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[02:25:15 - I said well we don't want it.] Speaker: 02;25;14;28
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[02:25:17 - I said we want to avoid things
like Baltimore,] Speaker: 02;25;15;26
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[02:25:21 - we don't want to have like 72% of our kids
like functionally illiterate.] Speaker: 02;25;17;20
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[02:25:24 - You know that's use that as an example.] Speaker: 02;25;22;04
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[02:25:27 - He goes, that's a racist dog whistle.] Speaker: 02;25;24;21
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[02:25:30 - And I went,
what the fuck are you talking about?] Speaker: 02;25;27;07
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[02:25:33 - He goes, you're only bringing up Baltimore
because it's a black] Speaker: 02;25;30;21
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[02:25:35 - a black school district. And I'm like,
no, I'm not.] Speaker: 02;25;33;17
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[02:25:38 - I said black. I said Baltimore students.] Speaker: 02;25;35;28
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[02:25:41 - And he went to berate me
for the next 30 minutes.] Speaker: 02;25;38;20
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[02:25:43 - Yeah. You just don't even get to. Talk
about anything.] Speaker: 02;25;41;13
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[02:25:49 - No substance about how I am unknowingly
a hardcore racist.] Speaker: 02;25;43;18
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[02:25:51 - And I thought I was,] Speaker: 02;25;50;25
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[02:25:55 - I thought I was having a conversation
with a lunatic.] Speaker: 02;25;51;29
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[02:25:56 - For sure. Yeah.] Speaker: 02;25;55;17
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[02:25:59 - And he was not open to see this.] Speaker: 02;25;56;20
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[02:26:01 - Not open to it.] Speaker: 02;26;00;06
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[02:26:05 - And it is like we can't get rid of
like this biological response.] Speaker: 02;26;01;16
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[02:26:09 - Like we can't get rid of like this type
of programing that people have like him.] Speaker: 02;26;05;19
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[02:26:13 - Like hearing you see that in like
he has a fight or flight.] Speaker: 02;26;09;23
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[02:26:15 - He has to fight you.] Speaker: 02;26;13;27
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[02:26:16 - He has to berate you.] Speaker: 02;26;15;13
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[02:26:19 - He sees you as dangerous as enemy.] Speaker: 02;26;16;23
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[02:26:22 - And so he treats you as such as opposed
to like actually trying to hear] Speaker: 02;26;19;07
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[02:26:23 - what you have to say
and probably agreeing.] Speaker: 02;26;22;08
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[02:26:25 - What if it was like it would have been
better if he's like, well, why?] Speaker: 02;26;23;29
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[02:26:27 - Why do you think that 100%?] Speaker: 02;26;25;27
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[02:26:29 - But I never said anything about you never.] Speaker: 02;26;27;22
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[02:26:31 - Get to say that, right.
He never said anything about race.] Speaker: 02;26;29;02
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[02:26:38 - All I said was the Baltimore school
district, which is full of Asian students,] Speaker: 02;26;32;12
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[02:26:41 - white students,
Native American students, black students.] Speaker: 02;26;38;16
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[02:26:42 - Like.] Speaker: 02;26;42;03
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you might not agree with this.] Speaker: 02;26;44;23
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[02:26:52 - But if he is thinking of race.] Speaker: 02;26;49;00
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[02:26:56 - And I am not.] Speaker: 02;26;53;28
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[02:26:58 - How am I the racist.] Speaker: 02;26;56;01
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[02:26:59 - Yeah.] Speaker: 02;26;58;03
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I would I see it through the lens of like] Speaker: 02;26;59;01
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[02:27:06 - But you don't.] Speaker: 02;27;05;16
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[02:27:10 - But to the automatic programing teacher
before it is the one second.] Speaker: 02;27;06;03
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[02:27:19 - when you realize everything's cool
and I'm not a threat.] Speaker: 02;27;16;12
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[02:27:23 - Hopefully,
hopefully he could realize that.] Speaker: 02;27;19;27
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[02:27:26 - But most people probably don't
if they get,] Speaker: 02;27;23;00
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over and over and over again.] Speaker: 02;27;26;08
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you know, brings up Baltimore in his,] Speaker: 02;27;29;13
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[02:27:37 - you know, or not the same as me,] Speaker: 02;27;34;06
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[02:27:41 - not the same labeling
as me as a Democrat or whatever.] Speaker: 02;27;37;11
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[02:27:44 - He has that programing in his head] Speaker: 02;27;41;11
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[02:27:48 - to see you as other,
to see you as dangerous.] Speaker: 02;27;44;27
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[02:27:49 - So he's going to treat you as such.] Speaker: 02;27;48;05
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[02:27:52 - That's crazy. That's what I mean.] Speaker: 02;27;49;29
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[02:27:55 - And that's like my fear. How is it?] Speaker: 02;27;53;25
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[02:27:58 - But how is it that like our side does
not have that that programing.] Speaker: 02;27;55;23
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[02:27:59 - It does though.] Speaker: 02;27;58;27
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[02:28:02 - But it does give you all
you see is that people are like fuck you,] Speaker: 02;27;59;25
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[02:28:04 - which is the freedom of speech thing.] Speaker: 02;28;02;29
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[02:28:05 - Well that's for use.] Speaker: 02;28;04;16
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all that you're exposed to though too.] Speaker: 02;28;05;12
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[02:28:11 - Like I'm sure people in the
I know for sure people on the.] Speaker: 02;28;07;23
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[02:28:18 - I don't know, to be honest.
I'm going to go.] Speaker: 02;28;15;06
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[02:28:22 - I, I spend my Saturdays with my dad
who's 85 years old.] Speaker: 02;28;18;10
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[02:28:25 - Yeah, you should do that. As is my.] Speaker: 02;28;23;09
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[02:28:27 - What I was going to say to you,] Speaker: 02;28;25;19
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[02:28:30 - is that if you didn't
have to hang out with Awesome dad] Speaker: 02;28;27;11
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[02:28:34 - and you had nothing to do,
and you and I were down at that together.] Speaker: 02;28;30;01
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[02:28:39 - The the conservatives aren't going to be
the ones giving us looks.] Speaker: 02;28;36;01
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[02:28:41 - The conservatives are going to be
the ones getting our face.] Speaker: 02;28;39;07
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[02:28:42 - Well.] Speaker: 02;28;41;27
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[02:28:45 - And even if you went to like a Trump rally
they're not going to get in your face.] Speaker: 02;28;42;06
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[02:28:49 - I went to
I don't know I've been treated poorly.] Speaker: 02;28;45;10
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[02:28:53 - But I have it like,
oh what are you lib tard like that shit.] Speaker: 02;28;50;05
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[02:28:55 - Yeah. I get called that.] Speaker: 02;28;53;05
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[02:28:59 - I mean, I did go to Trump's
inauguration in 2016.] Speaker: 02;28;55;25
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[02:29:03 - Did you really? Yeah.] Speaker: 02;29;01;18
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[02:29:05 - How was it?] Speaker: 02;29;03;01
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[02:29:08 - People did not treat us very nice.] Speaker: 02;29;05;26
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[02:29:13 - Man you are you have,] Speaker: 02;29;11;21
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[02:29:18 - Yeah. Like in a really good way.] Speaker: 02;29;16;14
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[02:29:20 - Literally my sign that I had was like] Speaker: 02;29;18;04
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[02:29:24 - true love is the vessel for change.] Speaker: 02;29;22;00
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[02:29:25 - That was the sign.] Speaker: 02;29;24;16
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[02:29:26 - That's the sign that I had.] Speaker: 02;29;25;05
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[02:29:28 - I wasn't like whatever.] Speaker: 02;29;26;12
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[02:29:32 - And yeah,
I mean people did not treat us great.] Speaker: 02;29;28;11
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[02:29:35 - What were some of the things
that they would do?] Speaker: 02;29;33;03
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[02:29:40 - by bikers for Trump.] Speaker: 02;29;37;29
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[02:29:45 - I, I don't like I.] Speaker: 02;29;42;25
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[02:29:46 - I sure they're great.] Speaker: 02;29;45;08
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[02:29:48 - I mean, I met some of them
or some of them. Right.] Speaker: 02;29;46;22
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[02:29:51 - Rod of Iron festival. Did you meet Twain?] Speaker: 02;29;48;22
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[02:29:55 - No, I didn't really get any
a ton of first name basis with people.] Speaker: 02;29;51;24
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[02:30:01 - There's a few people that may fit
that description.] Speaker: 02;29;59;10
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[02:30:02 - There.] Speaker: 02;30;01;20
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[02:30:04 - Dwayne is, you know. Dwayne?] Speaker: 02;30;02;26
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[02:30:07 - Yeah. There's just. He's
a super sweet guy. I'm sure that they.] Speaker: 02;30;04;09
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[02:30:10 - I mean, most
everybody has a loving, beating heart.] Speaker: 02;30;07;00
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[02:30:11 - Like, this is my own.] Speaker: 02;30;10;20
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[02:30:13 - Like, spiritual, like whatever.] Speaker: 02;30;11;15
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[02:30:15 - But I do see it like we are. We are wired.] Speaker: 02;30;13;02
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[02:30:19 - We have a biological imperative
to survive as a species via connection.] Speaker: 02;30;15;17
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[02:30:23 - There's also a tribalism that we can't.] Speaker: 02;30;20;28
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[02:30:26 - I think that's
I think that's ingrained in us.] Speaker: 02;30;23;15
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[02:30:28 - I hope to need to be part of a group.] Speaker: 02;30;26;03
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[02:30:30 - Well, yeah,
we we have to survive that way.] Speaker: 02;30;28;07
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[02:30:34 - Like we literally like a baby dies
without, like, connection.] Speaker: 02;30;30;20
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[02:30:37 - Totally. We have to have connection.] Speaker: 02;30;34;14
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[02:30:40 - And I do think that's like
how we evolve as well as a species.] Speaker: 02;30;37;23
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[02:30:43 - So the more we like, stay and like it.] Speaker: 02;30;40;18
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[02:30:46 - All of the stuff though, like,] Speaker: 02;30;43;04
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[02:30:48 - I don't know,
I mean, you don't have to agree with us,] Speaker: 02;30;46;04
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[02:30:52 - but I bet that there's a part of you
that dies of, like,] Speaker: 02;30;48;28
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[02:30:57 - all of the shit happens on, on both sides,
like all of this shit.] Speaker: 02;30;52;11
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[02:30:58 - Like I agree, it happens on both sides.] Speaker: 02;30;57;06
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[02:31:01 - I just don't agree on the on the.] Speaker: 02;30;58;23
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[02:31:03 - Percentage. The volume knob.] Speaker: 02;31;01;17
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[02:31:03 - Yeah.] Speaker: 02;31;03;04
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[02:31:06 - I heard an interesting study recently,] Speaker: 02;31;03;27
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[02:31:09 - by a Buddhist] Speaker: 02;31;08;03
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[02:31:12 - psychologist,
and I do need to get the source.] Speaker: 02;31;09;11
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[02:31:15 - I did not read this myself,
but she did. Who cares?] Speaker: 02;31;12;25
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[02:31:17 - I'm not going to fact check
you and you're not going to go to jail.] Speaker: 02;31;15;17
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[02:31:18 - So, like, say whatever.] Speaker: 02;31;17;13
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[02:31:21 - Yeah, but I mean, like, it's good
to, like, make sure that, like.] Speaker: 02;31;18;07
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[02:31:25 - We live in a world that is so insane
because my my, my father.] Speaker: 02;31;21;05
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[02:31:26 - I just want you to
I tell you this real quick.] Speaker: 02;31;25;09
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[02:31:28 - And remember the Buddhist,] Speaker: 02;31;26;18
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[02:31:31 - my father in his business,
they would always have to sue people] Speaker: 02;31;28;22
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[02:31:33 - because they were in construction, right?] Speaker: 02;31;31;28
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[02:31:34 - They would sometimes sue their friends.] Speaker: 02;31;33;07
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[02:31:36 - Their friends knew that
this is just the cost of doing business.] Speaker: 02;31;34;13
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[02:31:37 - No one hated each other, blah blah blah.] Speaker: 02;31;36;14
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the interesting thing about experts] Speaker: 02;31;38;25
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[02:31:44 - is we would hire our experts] Speaker: 02;31;41;26
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[02:31:47 - that went to the prestigious school.] Speaker: 02;31;44;25
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[02:31:50 - They would hire their experts
that went to the same prestigious school,] Speaker: 02;31;47;21
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[02:31:54 - and they both
had totally different outcomes.] Speaker: 02;31;51;07
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[02:31:57 - And what I learned from that is, is like] Speaker: 02;31;55;04
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[02:32:00 - unfortunately it's up to us.] Speaker: 02;31;57;17
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[02:32:04 - It's up to the individual to deduce
what is right, what is wrong.] Speaker: 02;32;01;01
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[02:32:07 - And it's up to us to, to be the response.] Speaker: 02;32;05;08
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[02:32:11 - You can't control how you receive
the things I say to you.] Speaker: 02;32;07;28
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[02:32:14 - I can control how
I try to address them to you.] Speaker: 02;32;12;05
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[02:32:17 - But ultimately that burden lies on
you just like it lies on me.] Speaker: 02;32;14;26
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[02:32:25 - I'm really, I'm really pissed off
that like we all love each other] Speaker: 02;32;22;03
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[02:32:26 - and we can't seem to fit.] Speaker: 02;32;25;07
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[02:32:28 - Yeah. That's a, that's it, that's it.] Speaker: 02;32;26;08
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[02:32:30 - And it's like this programing
to keep us divisive.] Speaker: 02;32;28;00
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[02:32:33 - The study was that
it was a recent study that looked at] Speaker: 02;32;30;27
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[02:32:38 - you know the right how how what's
what's your belief about the left] Speaker: 02;32;34;13
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[02:32:42 - in their desire for political violence or
how many people on the left do you like?] Speaker: 02;32;38;13
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[02:32:44 - What's the percentage that you believe?] Speaker: 02;32;42;24
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[02:32:47 - People on the left like agree
with political violence.] Speaker: 02;32;44;08
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[02:32:49 - And then it was the same for the left.] Speaker: 02;32;47;14
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[02:32:52 - Like, okay, last left people,
what do you believe the right like] Speaker: 02;32;49;04
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[02:32:56 - how much of them do you think
believe in political violence is okay?] Speaker: 02;32;52;20
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[02:33:01 - And it came to roughly
the same of 33% on each side.] Speaker: 02;32;56;29
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[02:33:03 - Believe the other side.] Speaker: 02;33;01;22
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[02:33:07 - The Democrats believed that 33% of
Republicans agree with political violence.] Speaker: 02;33;03;01
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[02:33:12 - Republicans believe okay, 33% of Democrats
believe political violence is okay.] Speaker: 02;33;07;19
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[02:33:16 - And in reality,
the overall sense of the amount] Speaker: 02;33;12;26
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[02:33:21 - that people believe political violence is
okay came to once again about the same on] Speaker: 02;33;16;28
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[02:33:26 - the both sides of 11%, meaning
that we are overestimating each other] Speaker: 02;33;21;03
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[02:33:29 - in the propensity
for harm, suffering, violence.] Speaker: 02;33;26;06
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[02:33:33 - But that fear reaction keeps us separate
so that we can't see.] Speaker: 02;33;29;07
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[02:33:35 - I agree with. Her. I agree with that.] Speaker: 02;33;33;23
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[02:33:39 - So there's another study that came out,
and if I can find it, I'll send it to you.] Speaker: 02;33;35;19
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[02:33:43 - And instead of asking the propensity
for the what,] Speaker: 02;33;40;04
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[02:33:46 - what one side believes
the other side has for violence,] Speaker: 02;33;43;05
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[02:33:49 - it asks the question,] Speaker: 02;33;47;17
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[02:33:52 - do you believe political violence
as a means?] Speaker: 02;33;49;03
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[02:33:57 - And it was it was something like] Speaker: 02;33;53;09
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[02:34:01 - on the, on the, on the, on the left
and on the Democrat side] Speaker: 02;33;58;11
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[02:34:04 - and the Republican side,
the left side was like 32%] Speaker: 02;34;01;09
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[02:34:08 - that they believe that political violence
is a means to them.] Speaker: 02;34;05;01
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[02:34:11 - And on the Republican side,
it was like for.] Speaker: 02;34;08;00
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[02:34:13 - Yeah, I'd be interested in seeing that.] Speaker: 02;34;12;11
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[02:34:14 - I'd be interested in seeing. Yeah.] Speaker: 02;34;13;27
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[02:34:15 - And I'm just saying] Speaker: 02;34;14;28
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[02:34:19 - it's like we were talking about studies
at the very beginning of the number 100%.] Speaker: 02;34;15;23
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[02:34:20 - Yeah, 100% things.] Speaker: 02;34;19;13
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[02:34:22 - But I do think this is true, though,
because I do] Speaker: 02;34;20;26
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[02:34:24 - just see it like
everybody is ultimately like] Speaker: 02;34;22;20
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[02:34:27 - just jacked up in their nervous systems,
afraid of each other.] Speaker: 02;34;24;22
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[02:34:29 - I want everybody to take mushrooms,
just fucking hang out] Speaker: 02;34;27;14
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[02:34:30 - and just, like, fucking love each other.] Speaker: 02;34;29;16
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[02:34:34 - I mean, yeah, I mushrooms do like,
you know, I help create,] Speaker: 02;34;30;22
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[02:34:37 - do you add on to create fun as.] Speaker: 02;34;35;12
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[02:34:40 - Far as far as,
as far as, psilocybin medicine.] Speaker: 02;34;37;29
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[02:34:46 - I mean, psilocybin does allow
for new neural pathways to be created] Speaker: 02;34;40;29
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[02:34:49 - and the ability to increase the density] Speaker: 02;34;46;08
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[02:34:53 - of gray matter in the brain,
which is ultimate neurogenesis.] Speaker: 02;34;49;20
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[02:34:59 - What I help people do via the mind
body practices] Speaker: 02;34;53;11
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[02:35:02 - I do in the therapy room with people via
things like mindfulness,] Speaker: 02;34;59;04
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[02:35:06 - somatic experiencing,
and, yeah, it does the same thing.] Speaker: 02;35;02;09
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[02:35:08 - I do.] Speaker: 02;35;07;10
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[02:35:11 - I do think that having] Speaker: 02;35;09;16
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[02:35:15 - I think that mushrooms
are definitely helpful for people] Speaker: 02;35;11;20
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[02:35:19 - to be able to help themselves rewire,
but then there needs] Speaker: 02;35;15;09
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[02:35:22 - to be like consistent practices
afterwards to.] Speaker: 02;35;19;01
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[02:35:25 - 100%. Helps that continue on.] Speaker: 02;35;23;00
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[02:35:28 - Yeah, because otherwise it's
just like another thing to take that] Speaker: 02;35;25;11
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[02:35:31 - like I get relief for a little while,
but like it's not going to have lasting] Speaker: 02;35;28;07
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[02:35:33 - change unless I promise to.] Speaker: 02;35;32;06
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[02:35:34 - Not take anything.] Speaker: 02;35;33;18
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[02:35:35 - Yeah, yeah.] Speaker: 02;35;34;28
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[02:35:38 - The next thing that mushrooms
can definitely be helpful.] Speaker: 02;35;35;23
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[02:35:39 - Good.] Speaker: 02;35;38;06
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[02:35:40 - Oh, 100%. Yeah.] Speaker: 02;35;39;01
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[02:35:42 - I think that that I think
that they're going to change the world.] Speaker: 02;35;40;10
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[02:35:44 - Yeah I, I hope so.] Speaker: 02;35;42;14
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[02:35:47 - And you're totally right
about like upsell after.] Speaker: 02;35;44;09
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[02:35:48 - Yeah. Yeah.] Speaker: 02;35;47;20
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[02:35:52 - I was able to like continue on with like
going to the gym or like taking a walk] Speaker: 02;35;48;03
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[02:35:55 - and like calling your friends and like,
going out even though you don't want to.] Speaker: 02;35;52;07
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[02:35:55 - Like, that was.] Speaker: 02;35;55;12
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[02:35:58 - The thing that, you know, that
that was the thing that changed me.] Speaker: 02;35;55;24
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[02:35:59 - Mushrooms.] Speaker: 02;35;58;08
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[02:35:59 - I'm not surprised to hear it.] Speaker: 02;35;59;04
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[02:36:02 - I mean, I hear it all the time like that.
Yeah.] Speaker: 02;35;59;28
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[02:36:02 - I never did it.] Speaker: 02;36;02;01
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[02:36:05 - Glad to hear it. I took a
I took a hero dose and.] Speaker: 02;36;02;18
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[02:36:07 - And it
and it changed your life for the better.] Speaker: 02;36;05;08
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[02:36:09 - I feel. Yeah.] Speaker: 02;36;07;20
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[02:36:12 - Although I've never
I've never gotten more hatred in my life.] Speaker: 02;36;09;10
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[02:36:14 - Even though I feel like I'm an] Speaker: 02;36;12;10
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[02:36:17 - I feel like I have more love to give
and I, I really love people.] Speaker: 02;36;14;12
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[02:36:19 - You know, that's going.] Speaker: 02;36;18;15
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[02:36:20 - To be just be loving.] Speaker: 02;36;19;08
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[02:36:22 - Like, that's it. Everybody just wants
to, like, have connection.] Speaker: 02;36;20;11
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[02:36:24 - Everybody wants to like, love each other.] Speaker: 02;36;22;17
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[02:36:27 - Like, just live an easy life, right?] Speaker: 02;36;24;12
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[02:36:29 - Like that's what we all want, right?] Speaker: 02;36;27;08
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[02:36:30 - Yeah. To get out of people's way.] Speaker: 02;36;29;10
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[02:36:32 - Don't make it more difficult
for them. Reduce human suffering.] Speaker: 02;36;30;16
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[02:36:35 - Yeah. I'm going to suck part of your
and reduce human suffering.] Speaker: 02;36;32;25
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[02:36:36 - That's it.] Speaker: 02;36;35;22
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[02:36:37 - How do you feel? You have fun.] Speaker: 02;36;36;24
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[02:36:38 - You had a great time. Yeah.] Speaker: 02;36;37;27
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[02:36:39 - You do. Again.] Speaker: 02;36;38;23
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[02:36:41 - Yeah, I had a great.
I mean, we talked for a great time.] Speaker: 02;36;39;14
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[02:36:42 - What more.] Speaker: 02;36;41;29
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[02:36:45 - What other what other shit
do you go into where I could be like.] Speaker: 02;36;42;21
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[02:36:47 - We should talk about?] Speaker: 02;36;46;02
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[02:36:49 - Well, I am like, yeah.] Speaker: 02;36;47;04
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[02:36:51 - I would love to take you to some places
that you would.] Speaker: 02;36;49;04
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[02:36:56 - You would probably your preconceived
notion would be without any] Speaker: 02;36;51;23
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[02:36:59 - research or anything,
your preconceived notion would be like,] Speaker: 02;36;56;25
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[02:37:01 - oh, this might not be a welcoming place
for me.] Speaker: 02;36;59;06
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[02:37:02 - I'm crazy though.] Speaker: 02;37;01;21
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[02:37:03 - Like, that's my problem.] Speaker: 02;37;02;24
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[02:37:06 - Is that I'm a little
I don't I'm delusional in that] Speaker: 02;37;03;25
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[02:37:10 - I believe I can walk into wherever
I want to and like,] Speaker: 02;37;06;00
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[02:37:13 - I can connect with people because, like,
I think you can.] Speaker: 02;37;10;10
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[02:37:17 - I love people, so I think that I can shake
people up by like,] Speaker: 02;37;13;04
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[02:37:23 - maybe coming in and like looking like I do
or like having tatted, like whatever.] Speaker: 02;37;17;23
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[02:37:25 - Like, have you seen my fucking wife?
She's covered it.] Speaker: 02;37;23;04
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[02:37:26 - Yeah I know, yeah.] Speaker: 02;37;25;12
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[02:37:28 - I mean,
I can probably fit into a lot of places.] Speaker: 02;37;26;12
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[02:37:31 - I, we definitely stood out
at the Iron Freedom Festival.] Speaker: 02;37;28;13
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[02:37:32 - I don't.] Speaker: 02;37;32;00
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[02:37:35 - I don't sure to my friend,
but yeah, we definitely.] Speaker: 02;37;32;14
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[02:37:38 - I don't want to dox you're my friend that.] Speaker: 02;37;36;01
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[02:37:41 - I don't want to describe my friend
without her consent.] Speaker: 02;37;38;17
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[02:37:44 - But we like definitely stood out.
We're just like, nice.] Speaker: 02;37;41;25
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[02:37:45 - Like, don't want to describe
what she was wearing.] Speaker: 02;37;44;16
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[02:37:47 - People. Yeah, I kind of. Yeah. Oh.] Speaker: 02;37;45;29
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[02:37:49 - Cause that'll let people know
we're going to go after them. Trust me.] Speaker: 02;37;47;12
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[02:37:52 - Yeah, I know, I know,
but I don't have her permission.] Speaker: 02;37;49;19
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[02:37:54 - You know,
she might not want me talking about her.] Speaker: 02;37;52;26
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[02:37:57 - I'm sure they were taking photos there,
and they're in a photo.] Speaker: 02;37;54;29
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[02:37:59 - They took so many photos of us. Maki.] Speaker: 02;37;57;12
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[02:38:03 - And I guarantee we are on their marketing
shit for next year.] Speaker: 02;37;59;20
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[02:38:05 - I'm sure we're going to be out
because we're, like, nice.] Speaker: 02;38;03;10
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[02:38:07 - Like put together.] Speaker: 02;38;05;15
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[02:38:09 - You go next year 1,000,000,000%. Okay?] Speaker: 02;38;07;00
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[02:38:11 - Yeah, I. Could believe I'll go next year.] Speaker: 02;38;09;17
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[02:38:13 - Yeah, that's for sure. And we'll have fun.] Speaker: 02;38;11;01
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[02:38:16 - Do you shoot guns under shotguns?] Speaker: 02;38;13;08
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[02:38:18 - I plead the. Fifth.] Speaker: 02;38;16;10
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[02:38:19 - Would you ever be interested? Yes.] Speaker: 02;38;18;02
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[02:38:21 - Yeah. Okay.] Speaker: 02;38;19;21
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[02:38:24 - Although I do believe in nonviolence,
but I do want to shoot a gun.] Speaker: 02;38;21;02
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[02:38:25 - What? Who was it?] Speaker: 02;38;24;11
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[02:38:27 - Who would I heard say? They said,] Speaker: 02;38;25;13
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[02:38:32 - True masculinity
is to know that you can commit] Speaker: 02;38;29;29
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[02:38:36 - horrible acts of violence
and you don't harm.] Speaker: 02;38;32;28
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[02:38:39 - It's a deterrence. It's a it's a Fofo.] Speaker: 02;38;37;13
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[02:38:40 - You know, a Fofo. It's.] Speaker: 02;38;39;16
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[02:38:42 - No, it's the fuck around. Find out.] Speaker: 02;38;40;11
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[02:38:45 - I believe I believe there's
there's this book I'll send you.] Speaker: 02;38;42;22
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[02:38:45 - It's a book.] Speaker: 02;38;45;00
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[02:38:48 - It's I forget the name of it,
but basically the hypothesis is.] Speaker: 02;38;45;15
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[02:38:51 - And he actually did this,
he did all the research on it.] Speaker: 02;38;49;09
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[02:38:56 - And, in arm society is a is a
is a safer, more polite society.] Speaker: 02;38;51;28
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[02:38:59 - And it was in the in the results were not
what was expected.] Speaker: 02;38;56;27
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[02:39:01 - It's really interesting.] Speaker: 02;39;00;23
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[02:39:02 - Yeah. I'd like to read it.] Speaker: 02;39;01;19
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[02:39:05 - Yeah. I'm
a hard for like Second Amendment guy now.] Speaker: 02;39;02;15
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[02:39:07 - Well you like you
you impressed by my friend.] Speaker: 02;39;05;01
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[02:39:08 - That's it.] Speaker: 02;39;07;08
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[02:39:10 - Do you have fun. I had a great time
market. Yeah. Would you do it again?] Speaker: 02;39;08;01
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[02:39:12 - Of course you give it back.] Speaker: 02;39;10;17
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[02:39:13 - You got give out a big hug for me.] Speaker: 02;39;12;10
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[02:39:16 - Oh, well. Yeah.
Is there a way? Yes. On there.] Speaker: 02;39;13;25
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[02:39:18 - Are you going on tour again
soon. Yep. In like two weeks are.] Speaker: 02;39;16;09
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[02:39:20 - Going to
the closest are going to Philly though.] Speaker: 02;39;18;26
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[02:39:21 - Yeah.] Speaker: 02;39;20;23
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[02:39:24 - Next year they're doing
an Irish vaccination I don't know.] Speaker: 02;39;21;04
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[02:39:24 - Next year they might] Speaker: 02;39;24;04
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[02:39:27 - Yeah I] Speaker: 02;39;26;04
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[02:39:30 - being around your husband
and Angelo is just such good.] Speaker: 02;39;27;22
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[02:39:31 - Oh they're such good people.] Speaker: 02;39;30;18
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[02:39:33 - They're such good people as Angel.] Speaker: 02;39;31;24
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[02:39:36 - Oh that's what I call Angela. Do you.
Did you met Courtney yet?] Speaker: 02;39;33;11
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[02:39:37 - I know Courtney, yes. Of course.] Speaker: 02;39;36;05
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[02:39:39 - Have you seen her dad on my podcast?] Speaker: 02;39;37;29
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[02:39:41 - No, I he just got out of jail.] Speaker: 02;39;39;25
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[02:39:43 - Oh, really? Well, DM.] Speaker: 02;39;41;24
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[02:39:46 - I'll send it to you. Yeah.] Speaker: 02;39;43;18
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[02:39:48 - Chelsea. Great. Murphy.] Speaker: 02;39;46;00
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[02:39:50 - It was awesome. Yeah, I saw you, Marky.
Thanks for having me.] Speaker: 02;39;48;05
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[02:39:51 - Thanks for its.
Thanks for agreeing to do this.] Speaker: 02;39;50;08
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[02:39:52 - It's fun.] Speaker: 02;39;51;28
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[02:39:52 - You're awesome.] Speaker: 02;39;52;11
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[02:39:53 - Yeah.] Speaker: 02;39;52;27
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[02:39:56 - You're awesome working. On.] Speaker: 02;39;53;02
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[02:40:01 - That.] Speaker: 02;40;00;27
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