Ep 89: Ex-CIA Sam Faddis Exposes Cultural Marxism, Bolshevik Tactics & America's Authoritarian Slide

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I'm right beside a hearts open fire will never tire. We gonna come fly.

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I will fly. Oh.

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For those who don't know.

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Yes.

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Can I get the quick bio on you? Just so we can give a baseline here of like. Yes. You're not just some guy off the streets.

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Okay? Not just a homeless dude you picked up. No, not. Yeah. All right. Cool. Yes. So you got to tell me, okay. So, I was in the Central Intelligence Agency for 20 years undercover, so I spent almost all of that time overseas, running operations. Before I was in CIA. I was in the Army. I was, a tanker.

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I was an army lawyer. That's the real skeleton in my closet, right? It's a tanker. Yeah, an armored guy. I. Okay, in an armored unit. Yeah, yeah. After I left CIA, we spent about another decade working in the intelligence community with other outfits. Most of what I did, it then was build and then run training courses for operators to go downrange and do what I did.

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I did that for, Defense Intelligence Agency, for NSA training their guys and gals to go out and do that. And then about 2019, 2020, I said that I was really done with Washington, DC.

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We lived down there.

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I was I mean, when I was operating with CIA, I didn't live in DC, right? I hated I mean, I've always hated DC. We stayed, we stayed overseas. Anytime I came home, it was like, how fast can I get back on a plane?

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Copilot yeah, it seems like there's a negative energy there.

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Yeah. So when we retired, both my wife and I, because she was in CIA doing the same stuff, we stayed down there, and then eventually we just, you know, it's just like a lot of those decisions. It doesn't come in some instantaneous flash of light. Eureka! I kind of thing. It was over a period of years.

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We just got more and more uncomfortable being connected to the federal government in any way. And so we just got to the point where it's like, we got to wash our hands. This we got to cut. Get out of here. Stop doing this. And, we ended up back in Pennsylvania, which, I mean, she was born and raised in PA, and to the extent I ever had, like a home, I guess.

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PA, was it because my dad's family is.

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You're pretty rural now, right? Comparatively, because, you know, DC is.

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I'm up on Elk Mountain, so, you know, I'm I'm up there, I'm on a, I'm a dirt road and I'm, away from home and that's all great. Actually, it's a great compromise for us, right. Because, you know, in 25 minutes, you're down in Scranton there. Yeah, you can find everything. And then when I don't want to be around anybody, I'm not around and I'm hanging out, man.

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And but sitting on my deck.

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So we're sitting here today to talk about Marxism, cultural Marxism. Right. I'm sure we'll hit on communism. So, you had an event. Was it three weeks ago?

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Yeah, probably at this point.

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Yeah, yeah. Where you just wanted to, like, educate, people on what is coming. And I think that, like, it's important to kind of, like, set the history and then move into how do those things affect today.

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Right.

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So I have all these questions.

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Okay. Can you.

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Explain to me the whatever the Marxist playbook is and then we'll move into like the history of it and just like a 35,000ft view?

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Well, I mean, the playbook is to tear down the whole existing political, economic and social order. So not to modify it, not to reform it, not to try to improve it, whatever, to burn the whole thing to the ground and replace it. And the end state of that is communism. So along the way, they throw out all kinds of buzzwords that the number one term they like to use these days is socialism.

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Because I guess it sounds kind of kinder and gentler and fuzzier and warmer on social. It's, it sounds like they're going to do something good and, but there's no edge to it I guess. Understand that in The Communist Manifesto socialism is a intermediary step on the way to communism, right? Explicitly so these guys are communists, they are Marxist, and they regard everything about the existing, again, political, economic and social order as illegitimate.

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And they want to burn it to the ground. And in the end, what that means is the Communist Party, whatever Communist party that is, their members now rule answerable to nobody. I mean, that's the big lie at the heart of the Communist Manifesto. When you're all done talking about some mythical, idyllic future, you're like, okay, but how do we get there?

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And who makes all the decisions? And the answer is the party. And then you ask the the forbidden question, who the heck chooses the party? The party does. And the answer is the party. The vanguard. They the guys they have decided that they are on the right side of history. They're better than you. And because they are ideologically correct, anything is justified.

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Now, this existed also prior to Karl Marx.

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Yeah, like the.

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Like the the behavior of it and the systematic destruction to basically create the haves having more and the have nots having way less correct.

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Yeah. And look, what did Marx feed off of Marx and Engels, who wrote the Communist Manifesto in the 1840s? They set off the fact that life for the average person in industrialized Europe was friggin hell, right? You know, we all of a sudden you got a factory, and there were no rules on how long you worked, how many days out of the week you work.

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There were no rules on child labor. There were, you know, and if you got injured, if your hand got ripped off by the machine at the factory, there was no workman's comp, there was no pension, there wasn't anything. So it was brutal and they fed off of that. But then in response to that, they sell people this lie that actually turns out to be worse than than anything they were fighting against, which is.

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The ultimate irony of it all.

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Yeah. I mean, look, you just look at every communist nation that has ever existed. There's no worker's Paradise in any of these places, right? I mean, they and that's the thing. I mean, you know, Marxism has modified over the years and but the the end is always totalitarianism. In the end, it's all a big lie or you're, you're you're sold this bill of goods.

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And by the time you wake up, it's over. I mean, when the Bolsheviks took over in Russia, 1917, literally, there their program, if you will, their platform was peace, land and bread. Okay. Because it's a country filled with desperate people, most of whom were serfs. I mean, they weren't still technically didn't.

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In the Bolsheviks come from the Ukraine region.

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Of Russia. Well, they came from all over. But the thing is, they they were, you know, the czar went away. The absolute ruler of Russia went away.

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You're the monarch.

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And. Okay. And he was replaced by a democratic government. And the Bolsheviks were one party. Yes, they were one party, and they were a minority party in that assembly. So the absolute ruler was replaced and a democracy emerged. And then these guys are a minority party. And then they staged effectively a coup. At that point it was, okay, we're done voting.

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We're just going to seize power now and start killing everybody that doesn't agree with us. But they they sold the idea that they were, you know, they were going to make our bodies life better. And you're freaking desperate. You can't feed your family. It was World War One was still on. The Russians were losing a zillion guys. You don't have land.

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You literally can't feed your family and people are dying. I would say coming home of body bags, but they weren't coming home at all. Your son went off to war and you never saw him again? No. So desperate people bought the lie, and by the time they woke up, it was like too late. Way too late now. Now, if you open your mouth now, you're dead.

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So for those that don't know, that was the romanoffs and for the for the for the the cartoon fans. It was Anastasia.

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Yeah. There you.

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Go. You know what I mean? Just to give context to that, one of the most profound movies I saw when I was in high school was Nicholas and Alexandra.

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Yeah, yeah. So the I mean, the czar that, you know, Russia had been a, a monarchy and and then finally the czar, their king, their is, is deposed and it's the end of the monarchy, but it, it was not replaced by a communist regime, it was replaced by a democratic assembly.

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For a few short years.

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For, for a very short period of time. And then the Bolsheviks said, we're done, we're done. And the thing is, you understand that it's not like the Bolsheviks participated and intended to participate in a democratic government. They protested, participated in the democratic government as an intermediary stage with a plan already in place. We're going to get rid of the czar.

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We're going to get this assembly. And then the next step is all these clowns who actually think that we're going to play by their rules, right? They're all toast. And and again, by the time people wake up to this, it is way too late and it's always the same, right? It's you find people that are oppressed or perceived, they are oppressed.

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They have a grievance office. Often the grievances are completely legitimate. Yes. And. Right. And and then you play on that and you promise them that you are going to make things better. And then again, by the time they wake up and realize that anybody who opens his mouth is being taken away and or no mercy, you know, again, it's it's too late.

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You're done is.

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I mean, you spent time in the Middle East, right? Sure. So how does classical classic Marxism compare to jihadi and communist ideologies? I've seen compare I like I like you start noticing signals and you're like, it seems like they're, they're they're at ideologically they're very close cousins.

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Yeah. Well, that's the weird thing that, you know, you have what some people call this red green axis. Right. Red being communists and green being jihadis. And you kind of think they're strange bedfellows, but there are some ideological similarities. I mean, first of all, I understand when Marx and Engels were coming up with this idea in 1840s of communism, writing The Communist Manifesto, kind of the Bible, everything was about the proletariat against the bourgeoisie.

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Okay, so can you define those for the people who don't put on American terror?

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The visual was the, you know, the guys who owned the factories and got all the money and are living up on the hill. In Pennsylvania terms, they're the guys who always live in the big house up on the hill, right? Not where everybody who works in the factory or works in the mine lives, right? Which is down where the air is bad, right?

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The proletariat is there, the workers. And that was the dynamic, and that was what the whole fight was about. Okay. Along the way, the Marxists have added they've modified this and they have a step. They have identified what it what I call cleavage points in society, ways to divide people other than just you got money and I don't.

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And so race gender now increasingly gender is sexual orientation whatever you want to call it ethnicity, religion all they're ever looking for is a way to divide people and pit them against each other, because that's how you how you tear down a society. You have to break it apart and you have to get people.

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You fracture it, fracture it precisely.

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So in the end, what do they want? I mean, what in the end, what the Marxist one is to create a totalitarian government where the party which chose itself does whatever the hell it wants? There are no rules, there are no limitations. You have no say so, you know, in terms of commonality with jihadists. And I would say for the record, look, when I'm saying jihadist, that is does not equal Muslims, all Muslims.

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Yeah. By any stretch imagination. I operate as a lot in the Middle East against jihadis most of the time, who's like three white boys like me and everybody else on the up is a muslim from this country fighting against the jihadis. Right. And actually, most of the guys doing the dying are the Muslims on our side. Yeah. You know, there's 150 of them, three of us in this op, basically kind of thing.

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So just for the record, I mean, in the end, what what are the jihadis looking for? They're looking for domination, right? This is not they're not looking for religious freedom. This is not a you practice your religion. I want the freedom to practice my own kind of thing. This is either you will convert if you're not us, or you will be subjugated and if necessary, eliminated.

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But one way or the other, we're on top. And again just to drive home this, this is not all Muslims think even I mean obviously they are jihad. Jihadists hate Christians. They hate Jews. They hate anybody who's not Muslim. But more than that, they hate most of all any Muslim who does not agree with their interpretation of Islam.

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Right? If you are an apostate, a person who doesn't think right in their view and you're a muslim, you are the worst of all. Yeah, years ago, ISIS captured a Jordanian pilot who was flying against them in Syria, I think, and his plane either crashed or were shot down, but he was captured a lot. They put him in a cage and they burned him alive.

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I saw that.

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And that was not just because they're sick guys, although they are. It was a deliberate concrete manifestation, representation of the fires of hell. And the reason for that was because you're a muslim and you're fighting against us. You're worse than all the rest of those guys. You're worse than the Christians. You're worse than the judges because.

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You're a.

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Traitor, because you're a traitor to the faith. You're wrong thinking. Yeah.

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Oh, man. So are you familiar with the Frankfurt School?

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Yeah.

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Can you can you elaborate on that a little bit? Critical theory, repressive tolerance.

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So I think that this is what I was alluding to a little bit earlier. Marx and Engels come up with this idea literally in the 1840s. It's all about the poor guys that work in a factory against the big guy. And then as. And then there is as time goes on, Marxist thinkers are confronting this issue, which is, if we're right, and that's the dynamic.

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And if this is the evolution of history, if this is where we're going historically, then clearly the places where the revolutions ought to be occurring would be in the most industrialized nations. If it's all about the proletariat, the workers against the the bourgeoisie, the rich guys, well, then the United States, Germany, England, France should be where the revolutions are taking place.

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But in fact, the successful revolution to date was has been in Russia as of this point, which is was not really particularly industrialized. So the so basically the the wrestling with this, what's why are we being unsuccessful in these industrialized countries. And that's when you get this evolution the Frankfurt School comes up with of no, it's all these other dynamics Marx and Engels failed to address.

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They weren't at that point really talking about sexual orientation, but they were definitely talk about ethnicity, religion, all of this kind of stuff. So out of that, you then have this appeal that we're now take for granted Marxist-Leninist. They're going to tell you, if you're black, you you got to fight the man and you got to fight them in their way.

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If you're Vietnamese, if you're, you know, whatever. That's what I call cleavage points. That's my term of theirs. But that's how.

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It's an folk term.

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That's how the thing that's how the thing evolves. And that's what we talk about when we talk about cultural Marxism.

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So so they found that idea. So they found a way. So they said it's not just it's not just workers versus we need to find other, other ways to divide.

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Other ways to tear these guys apart. This isn't working. And and they have been remarkably, remarkably successful, if you think about it. I mean, one of, you know, I've, I feel very strongly the, the real sort of injection point for this ideology is our educational system. I kind of agree that, you know, they were very they have been very, very, very successful in spreading this ideology of cultural Marxism in the colleges and universities.

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If you go to college and university, you basically come out brainwashed my term to believe that this is all real. We are a horrible, oppressive, evil society. Not just we need reform, not just stuff needs to be changed, which I think everybody agrees. But know that the whole thing from the ground up is evil. It's wrong. It's it's bad.

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It is. You know, we are a genocidal nation. Everything we are in the terms of the Democratic Socialists of America, one of the big communist parties in the United States today.

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Oh, they're socialists and.

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We are we are a prison nation. That's literally their term. I read that, yeah. And then they go on and describe it in graphic detail. They don't leave you to wonder what that means. We're an evil thing and we need to turn down. And people come out of colleges and universities, and then they 100% believe that we are bad from the from get-Go.

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And then, of course, they go out and become teachers in elementary schools and middle schools. Yes, high schools and colleges. Or they go on into the media or they go on into wherever else. And so from that injection point, as I say, they spread all throughout that that becomes the narrative.

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So you bring up a good thing, because that was my next question is like, when did you personally.

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Started reading your notes ups oh, you're.

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Cheating, son of a bitch.

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When did you mean that's what spies do they have,

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I should have I should have wrote it in invisible ink. When did you personally start noticing that these ideas were inside the US government and academia? Or maybe you didn't notice it. Maybe you just knew, like, because there was the the Red scare and then there was. No, no.

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I mean, I think I've probably said this to you before when, when my wife and I came back, I mean, we spent virtually all of 20 years overseas. I mean, it's not true that we didn't ever land back in the United States, but are we a large portion? We spent almost all that time abroad. And if we were home, since I hate Washington DC and headquarters and had remained decent and our job wasn't here, it was how fast can we get on a plane and get back overseas?

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Right. But it or we're back just to visit the relatives for a little while. But our focus is on whatever I'm doing in wherever I am in the Middle East, South Asia. When we came back and sort of settled back in, even when I was still working in the intelligence community. But now you give me a.

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Time frame years maybe.

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Okay. So, circa 2010, okay, is when we're settling back in.

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Obama was president.

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Right? And we're we're back now in DC, and we're not just back washing the clothes, packing the bags, and getting ready to go back out. We're actually settling into being full time living in the United States for the first time in decades.

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And so, you, you know, you're sort of, I guess, without even thinking about it, you're back and you kind of assume that you came back to the same place that you left. I don't mean obviously exactly or in detail, but like, we're back in the States and I know what's going on here. And then as you're there longer and get on, are actually now living full time in the States, it's slowly begins to dawn on you.

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What what you know, what the heck is going on? In fact, literally, there's this moment probably a, you know, sometime 2010, 2012. Someone that I remember standing in the kitchen in the morning with my wife, we're getting ready to go do what are we going to do for the day? We were talking about the news and we turned to each other and literally said, like simultaneously, what the hell happened to our country while we were gone?

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Right? It was literally this moment. Like all of a sudden you realize, whoa, what? Like we of you spent all this time out there on the walls protecting this place, and then you come back and find that they're inside the wire, like this place is not safe. We didn't we did not come back to the same place that that we left.

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And then and then again, you know, incrementally how this goes. Again, there's not like a light bulb goes on of your head. Boom! Eureka! No, you see it.

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You see a thing that, you know, that's peculiar, that's interesting, or you.

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Accept that, okay, that's messed up.

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Yeah.

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But then like a few months later, you're like, whoa. And that's messed up too. And then after a while, you're like, you start connecting dots here. You're like, whoa, this problem is much bigger than I even imagine. Good God, what the hell is what the hell is happening? Right. So, and ultimately, I think is where we end up with where we ended up with the decision that, look, man, we're we're walking away from DC.

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We're walking away from continuing to work in and in a sense, for the for the federal government. We got to we got to be I always tell people it's I got it, I got to get my voice back and I can't get my voice back. As long as I am beholden to these people in any fashion.

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So you really started to notice it in the early 20 tens, and then it just all these signals started to.

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Yeah.

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What's the word of whatever?

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Yeah.

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And individually when you look at these things, they seem like nothing or just a little blip, but when you add them all together, you go, oh. This seems peculiar.

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Yeah. And, you know, and you see something's bad and the, the instinct is to say, well, whoever made that decision is an idiot or this particular organization is messed up.

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It's to compartmentalize it and think, okay, well, overall, the system is still fine. We're still good that just this these guys happened to be lost in space. And then and then eventually you have to face the reality that, you know, these this ideology has permeated most of our institutions, certainly all of our academic institutions.

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Well, and and politics locally, you know, like I, I, I there are people that northeast PA has always been a political place or where it's very but it's been very divisive. Sure. And, you know, there's politicians that I talk to who let's just say they're Republicans and there's some of the things that they don't agree with, with the Democrats and they don't understand it.

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And, you know, right or wrong, I say to them, I said, you're missing the point. Like, you think they're doing this for political gain. I said, I think you really need to consider that they really believe it, which is way more dangerous.

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Yeah, I agree with you. Absolutely. And then and then you add to that the fact that in general, people are afraid of standing up to this because you're going to be called bad names or yelled at. Yeah, I'm called it. All right. You're going to be tossed. You're going to be told that you're not cool and you're not progressive and you're whatever.

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And and all these people and you hate people and you're a sexist, racist, patriarchal scumbag. I don't know, there's a long list and and okay, fine. Yes, that's going to happen. But like, too bad you still need to call it out. Yeah. Folks don't stand up to it and don't fight it. I mean.

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We talk about these cleavage points, a way to divide people. Well, transgender movement, in my view, is largely explained by that I mean, look, my bottom line is I have a quintessential American attitude, I think, toward this. Lived your friggin life the way you want to live your life. That is my business, right? That I always define the American sense of liberty as the right to be, let alone at 100%.

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As long as you're not messing with me and and you're turning on me. Okay? That's bedrock. That's what we what we've always been about. But as the transgender movement is being pushed now, that's not what it is, right? Because what they're not saying is leave me the hell alone. I want to do this. What they're saying is you're wrong, and I'm going to stand between you and your children.

[00:27:04 - 00:27:33] Speaker: Speaker 3
I'm going to make the decisions for your children. I'm a teacher. I'm going to pull your kid aside and tell Johnny that I think he's really Susie. We're going to start talking about transitioning. We're going to do all kinds of things. And you would think as soon as that begins, there'd be a friggin firestorm. And everybody in them, every public official would be saying, leave people's children alone.

[00:27:33 - 00:27:48] Speaker: Speaker 3
That's Mom and Dad's business. Yes, you are now step in. I mean that there can be no tolerance of this. Teach the kid arithmetic. Teach the kids, teach them all the stuff you're not teaching them to status. Stay. Stay out of that business.

[00:27:48 - 00:27:50] Speaker: Speaker 2
I laugh because it's true and it's sad.

[00:27:50 - 00:28:27] Speaker: Speaker 3
It is very sad. Right. And and and yet people are afraid to say that. And man, you search in vain, don't you? For a public official most of the time, who will have the courage to stand up and say that kind of stuff? They're very rare. Where you how right. You can't find the courage to say you have no business as an elementary school teacher coming within ten miles of interfering with this kid's relationship with his parents, they raise the kid hands off.

[00:28:27 - 00:28:51] Speaker: Speaker 3
You teach him these academic subjects. And by the way, you work for them. Yes. That would seem to me be pretty cut and dry. Pretty straightforward, I honestly think. Look, South Carolina, you know, South Carolina passed a bill at least a year ago, said there should be no gender transition surgery on anybody under 18. They don't care who signs off.

[00:28:51 - 00:28:59] Speaker: Speaker 3
Personally, I think that's a rational deal. Like nobody should be making a decision for a child to mutilate them and cut them up.

[00:28:59 - 00:29:03] Speaker: Speaker 2
The crazy thing is, is that there are.

[00:29:03 - 00:29:08] Speaker: Speaker 2
There's a lot of the I don't even know why we need evidence for it, like most kids just had to get through puberty.

[00:29:08 - 00:29:09] Speaker: Speaker 3


[00:29:09 - 00:29:11] Speaker: Speaker 2
That's it. It's like once they're through.

[00:29:11 - 00:29:19] Speaker: Speaker 3
Puberty hundred percent. That's exactly right. They're confused and there. And by the way you're making this seem like this is cool. And the thing to do.

[00:29:19 - 00:29:20] Speaker: Speaker 2
Social contagion.

[00:29:20 - 00:29:52] Speaker: Speaker 3
I mean I was researching this for an article I was writing months ago. And one of the things, saddest things I ever saw in my life was how many posts there were online by teenage girls celebrating the fact that they had had their breasts removed, and posing topless with these surgical scars. And you think, you know, in the girls 13 years old and you think, okay, I mean, first of all, your parents, assuming they were on board with this should be should be horsewhip.

[00:29:52 - 00:30:19] Speaker: Speaker 3
But yeah, in a couple of years, you are going to realize that you did something horrible, mutilated yourself, disfigured yourself, and adult human beings convinced you to do this. And then some adults carved you up and chopped you into pieces and. Really, I mean, and and you can't find the courage to stand in the way of this.

[00:30:19 - 00:30:19] Speaker: Speaker 3
That's.

[00:30:19 - 00:30:24] Speaker: Speaker 2
Well because they, you know, I've said this before, it's like they give them the devil's bargain. Do you. Where there have a live son or a dead dog.

[00:30:24 - 00:30:30] Speaker: Speaker 3
Well that's exactly right. That's the way to sell it to if you don't do this, he's going to kill himself.

[00:30:30 - 00:30:41] Speaker: Speaker 2
So why does it seem that, like when we bring up stuff like this, it's, you know, like the quotes in the articles are out in the public, right?

[00:30:41 - 00:30:43] Speaker: Speaker 3
But you're still called.

[00:30:43 - 00:30:59] Speaker: Speaker 2
A conspiracy theorist for for even broaching this idea. Because why? Because it seems so out of the norm. It seems it seems like something that can't happen in this country. But at the same time, there's, there's a, there's a large group of people in this country.

[00:30:59 - 00:31:01] Speaker: Speaker 3
Who agree.

[00:31:01 - 00:31:13] Speaker: Speaker 2
With all of this and they agree with it to, to a degree where it's almost religious fanaticism. Yes. Is that is that an appropriate assessment? Yeah.

[00:31:13 - 00:31:16] Speaker: Speaker 3
I mean, that's this revolutionary fervor or. You're absolutely right.

[00:31:16 - 00:31:34] Speaker: Speaker 2
How how do we explain how do we explain that? How do we explain it like one of the biggest things. And I don't mean to keep cutting off one of the, one of the biggest things I've always my both my grandfathers fought in World War two, one in the Pacific, one in Europe. They both did two diametrically opposed things.

[00:31:34 - 00:32:01] Speaker: Speaker 2
One was a radio operator on planes, and the other one was a, an engineer for runways on islands in the Pacific. So I always been fascinated by them as, as men, as heroes, as as people who put their lives on the line to fight for this country. And I never understood, especially with with Nazi Germany. I said, I'm like, how do you convince everyone to go along with this?

[00:32:02 - 00:32:07] Speaker: Speaker 2
And I could never rationalize or find an answer to it until 2020.

[00:32:07 - 00:32:09] Speaker: Speaker 3


[00:32:09 - 00:32:21] Speaker: Speaker 2
What do you think? Do you think that there are larger works at play here, or do you think it's the George Carlin thing where you don't need to have a formal conspiracy when interests align?

[00:32:21 - 00:32:48] Speaker: Speaker 3
Well, I'm probably more inclined to go with George Carlin. Which doesn't mean there aren't some really evil people at work here, and I just mean that I don't think there's a single star chamber here where they're like five guys in there making decisions. I mean, on, on the whole sort of cultural Marxism thing, by this point, it has so infected so many big chunks of American culture.

[00:32:48 - 00:33:14] Speaker: Speaker 3
I mean, it's no longer a fringe thing. I mean, if you've graduated from any liberal arts college, any time, probably in the last 20 years, you walk out absolutely convinced that the United States is an evil construct that we're in. You know, we are the problem, not just it's not just our government is the problem here, but we are the problem in the world, right?

[00:33:14 - 00:33:39] Speaker: Speaker 3
It's destroying us. We're bad. Everything about us is bad. Not imperfect, not which is obvious. Not needs reform, which is obvious, but evil from the ground up and must must be destroyed. And by this point they have control over the media and they have intimidated a huge number of people. There was a book written.

[00:33:39 - 00:34:04] Speaker: Speaker 3
Right after the Russian Revolution, I think it was written by a journalist called John Reid. I may be screwing up the name. It was called Seven Days That Shook the World. And he and and, some other American communists went there to Moscow. And basically, the book is a celebration of the Bolsheviks and the revolution. And they weren't forced at gunpoint to feel that way.

[00:34:04 - 00:34:08] Speaker: Speaker 3
They they drank the Kool-Aid. They bought this 100%, even though.

[00:34:08 - 00:34:11] Speaker: Speaker 2
The Bolsheviks forced everyone to at gunpoint.

[00:34:11 - 00:34:40] Speaker: Speaker 3
In this case. So these guys literally, willingly left the United States and went to Moscow to participate, because this is the greatest thing that ever happened. And this will happen everywhere. We'll all be free. And then it's really interesting, the evolution of his thought and number of the others that went with them, as they then had to live the reality of what happened and then, you know, became ultimately very harsh.

[00:34:40 - 00:35:07] Speaker: Speaker 3
Critics of the Bolsheviks and then were silenced. But they they went there. Nobody came and kidnaped them out of Chicago and dragged them off. They were 100% convinced the they had swallowed the, you know, the whole the hammer and sickle. Yeah, exactly. So I mean, it's no question that are large numbers of folks inside the United States that have bought this.

[00:35:07 - 00:35:29] Speaker: Speaker 3
I mean, everybody's huge numbers of people that are celebrating that Mamdani is going to be the mayor of New York City. I mean, he belongs to the Democratic Socialists of America. It isn't. It's a revolutionary communist organization, and they don't hide it. Go on their website, read. They're read what they write. We are an evil nation in every possible respect.

[00:35:29 - 00:35:39] Speaker: Speaker 3
We were founded by racists and slavers. Their words were an evil thing and we must be destroyed in that. Guy is now going to be the mayor of New York City.

[00:35:39 - 00:35:54] Speaker: Speaker 2
I saw, I think it was this morning or yesterday. He said he was going to stop the enforcement of removing homeless encampments. And that does not always that does not ever end well.

[00:35:54 - 00:36:19] Speaker: Speaker 3
No. And it always mystifies me, by the way, the how the the answer to how you're going to show compassion is to be cruel is to be cruel and allow people, most of whom have issues like drug dependency, we're going to allow this guy to live in squalor on the street in life threatening circumstances, rather than intervening. That's how we're going to show our compassion.

[00:36:19 - 00:36:23] Speaker: Speaker 3
Look, he's a revolutionary communist. He's now formed his transition team.

[00:36:23 - 00:36:24] Speaker: Speaker 2
Full of revolutionary.

[00:36:24 - 00:36:58] Speaker: Speaker 3
Communists. It is filled with some very scary dudes, I mean, and ladies and ladies, I mean, folks who, one of the guys that that I was looking at recently is a member of, the Malcolm X. I think it's grassroots organization. If I remember the exact the exact name was part of their platform is that there are at least five southern states that they intend to seize to establish an autonomous black nation.

[00:36:58 - 00:37:25] Speaker: Speaker 3
Okay. So there's five full states in the union that they're going to take out. And, and this guy is formerly on the transition team. Anybody who is not an exception, I'm just using this as an example. I mean, he's not an exception in the sense of his extremism. So they advocate explicitly for the establishment of people's assemblies.

[00:37:25 - 00:37:49] Speaker: Speaker 3
Sounds a lot like revolutionary committee, which will then, in effect, exercise all power in whatever locale. So in other words, the cops won't police an area anymore. The People's Assembly will police and the People's Assembly will exercise all authority. So in effect, forget about an autonomous zone. That's a park with a bunch of people sitting around smoking dope.

[00:37:49 - 00:38:13] Speaker: Speaker 3
Whatever. Now you're talking about an autonomous zone that will be Queens and Barrack Borough, the borough, or a big chunk of it. And I'm, you know, I'm selecting queens at random. It could be any. It could be any of the boroughs. And the point is then they'll be barricades. And when NYPD rolls up, they'll be told, you guys aren't welcome here anymore.

[00:38:13 - 00:38:38] Speaker: Speaker 3
Get the hell out. And we're taking care of it. And the and actually, no representatives of the city are here. We we're occupying the apartment buildings. We don't pay rent anymore. We police ourselves. And that will happen again. Not in some park in Seattle with a relative handful of people. It'll be hundreds of thousands of American citizens now living in a commune that's independent of our government.

[00:38:38 - 00:38:43] Speaker: Speaker 2
And the one and they'll and the ones who don't want to be there will be forced to leave.

[00:38:43 - 00:39:06] Speaker: Speaker 3
The one. Either they'll be forced to leave, or if they can't leave, they will just have to submit. Because the way this plays out, obviously, is the People's Assembly will be the people who decided there was going to be a people's assembly, because we're back to that. Who's the party? The party is the party. Whoever decided so they will then decide what the rules are and they will decide how they enforce them.

[00:39:06 - 00:39:19] Speaker: Speaker 3
And nobody's going to discuss anything with you if you get in the way. Some, some degree of force will be used to compel you to agree what.

[00:39:19 - 00:39:48] Speaker: Speaker 3
And how? And Mayor Mamdani is going to be sitting in the City Hall. So city Hall. So he may or may not formally sanction that. But when it is declared, he won't he won't say there's no way in hell he's sending NYPD to break those barricades. He'll probably show up and stand on the barricades with him. And let's be real, if you're in NY, sure, in New York cop and there's a Communist in City Hall, and half of Queens just declared itself a commune.

[00:39:48 - 00:40:02] Speaker: Speaker 3
And you know that if I attempted to to enforce the law, I'm the one who's going to get thrown behind bars and pay the price where you're not going to try to do that on your own, they'll just watch.

[00:40:02 - 00:40:10] Speaker: Speaker 2
It seems like it seems like it's it's it's all these chess moves to create, like you Star Trek guy.

[00:40:10 - 00:40:11] Speaker: Speaker 3
Yes.

[00:40:11 - 00:40:14] Speaker: Speaker 2
You ever hear the Kobayashi Maru?

[00:40:14 - 00:40:17] Speaker: Speaker 3
One of my favorite things, right? That's why I love Kirk.

[00:40:17 - 00:40:18] Speaker: Speaker 2
It seems like they're setting up.

[00:40:18 - 00:40:38] Speaker: Speaker 3
I mean, no win scenario. All CIA it. Well, all CIA officers respect Kirk. Kirk because he changed the rules so he could win. So that's why we love the card. Yoshi. Right? You don't play by the rules. Then you reprogram the computer if you have to. But yes, it's a it's a I mean, that's exactly where you're going.

[00:40:38 - 00:41:08] Speaker: Speaker 3
Look, I'm going to, you know, people that think this is all kind of you. That's great. And you. I don't know what pills you took this morning, Sam, but, you know, you're making crap up. About a week ago now, Ice officers were down in Manhattan, down in lower Manhattan, and they were getting organized because they were going to go to Chinatown and do a whole series of raids on workplaces, which is a neighborhood close to where they were, and arrest folks that are here illegally.

[00:41:08 - 00:41:19] Speaker: Speaker 3
So at this point in Manhattan, this is true in many cities. There are groups in in an organized fashion, collect intelligence on ice movements. Yes, or literally as.

[00:41:19 - 00:41:20] Speaker: Speaker 2
Billboards to.

[00:41:20 - 00:41:39] Speaker: Speaker 3
Yep, they're apps. And there are websites and they actually provide people with formats. They're basically the same format U.S. military uses for reconnaissance, where they report data and give them all the details we need. How many guys, how many vehicles, what are the license plates, what kind of gear they got with them, which direction of the gun?

[00:41:39 - 00:41:41] Speaker: Speaker 2
They're doing it in Scranton.

[00:41:41 - 00:42:07] Speaker: Speaker 3
That doesn't surprise me. And so it this is happening in Manhattan. So you got these Ice guys getting together, trying to get organized, coming in. A lot of them were coming from Jersey. You got a staging area, which I think was in a parking garage before they move out. The next thing I know, there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people outside because the folks that are tracking them have now vectored in people who then confront them.

[00:42:07 - 00:42:35] Speaker: Speaker 3
And there's, you know, physical violence ensues to prevent federal officers from doing their jobs. NYPD has to respond. Some a handful of people are arrested, but ice get the ice actually is driven out of Manhattan. They can't stage the ops. They have to retreat. And this mob follows them as far as Lincoln Tunnel until they go into the tunnel to head for Jersey cheese before they break off.

[00:42:35 - 00:43:02] Speaker: Speaker 3
So in the aftermath of that, the New York Police commissioner, who has agreed to stay on in there, Mamdani, she calls the person in ice in Jersey who is them, the big guy in charge of this whole lot and reads them the riot act and tells him that this is all ISIS fault for attempting to carry out this operation in New York City and to knock it off and cut off.

[00:43:02 - 00:43:26] Speaker: Speaker 3
Stop doing this. And I don't want to see you here anymore. So that's the mob violence that forces federal officers out of the city, the response of it, and why formally, from the top is it's the federal officers fault. It's the federal government's fault. And you guys aren't welcome here. And Mamdani hasn't even sat down in the mayor's office yet.

[00:43:26 - 00:43:43] Speaker: Speaker 3
He doesn't even formally take office till January 1st. So if that's already happening, and in New York, you can imagine what's going to happen when the mayor is on their side, that they multiply that by a thousand fold across the city.

[00:43:43 - 00:43:49] Speaker: Speaker 2
It's one of my favorite movies that made me,

[00:43:49 - 00:44:02] Speaker: Speaker 2
Think was Oliver Stone's JFK. And I remember I remember Kevin Costner's character talking about theoretical physics, and he goes theoretical physics can say an elephant can hang off a cliff with its tail tied to a daisy.

[00:44:03 - 00:44:12] Speaker: Speaker 2
I think I think the things that you are saying are not.

[00:44:12 - 00:44:16] Speaker: Speaker 2
They're not out of the realm of reality, as a matter of fact.

[00:44:16 - 00:44:17] Speaker: Speaker 3
Right.

[00:44:17 - 00:44:46] Speaker: Speaker 2
It looks like it's leading towards a high probability. And why is it that everyone is just like sleepwalking into Armageddon? Like the like? Because that's what that means. Like if you take away people's ability to, like, think for themselves, freely travel, that is, that's hell. And why is it that, like, is there no will? Is there? No.

[00:44:46 - 00:45:09] Speaker: Speaker 2
You know, the struggle I'm having with this. And then I want to ask a couple more questions. But the struggle I'm having with this is that it's it's a catch 22. So if, if, if I believe in the Constitution in America. Right. And this threat is here and it wasn't I didn't allow it to happen. Right. People before me allowed it to happen and encouraged it.

[00:45:09 - 00:45:28] Speaker: Speaker 2
I, I can't think of another fix besides becoming the thing that they claim that you are to fix it. Do you see what I'm saying? What it's like where you get. You can't. Like, there's no way out for anybody who believes like, because common sense and conversation isn't going to change it.

[00:45:28 - 00:45:44] Speaker: Speaker 3
Well, I mean, I think that the danger is certainly or one of the many dangers is that we end up in exactly the situation you're describing, right? You got a bunch of communists trying to take over the country, and they're way down the road to doing so. And so you.

[00:45:44 - 00:45:48] Speaker: Speaker 2
Just so people know, this isn't like step one. This is their way along.

[00:45:48 - 00:46:12] Speaker: Speaker 3
Started decades ago. And so one of the dangers is you do get to the point where the only way to respond to these, to the fact that these guys are going to act outside the law and outside the Constitution is you're going to have to respond forcefully outside the law and outside the Constitution. I would hope to God we never get to that day when I mean people.

[00:46:12 - 00:46:13] Speaker: Speaker 2
I hope to God also.

[00:46:13 - 00:46:33] Speaker: Speaker 3
When people ask me, you know, some ask me if that is where we are headed in some form. Probably every time I speak and I'm doing question and answer almost every time. And by the way, it's never some dude that looks like he's ready to rock and roll carrying an AK, or.

[00:46:33 - 00:46:33] Speaker: Speaker 2
He's not a gravy seal.

[00:46:33 - 00:46:52] Speaker: Speaker 3
He's like, no, he's like a dad. Or he usually looks like he's been selling insurance his entire life. And he's about 60 and he probably never even had track traffic ticket, which is makes it that much more impactful to me. I'm like, the hell did it take to get you Mr. Milk test? Yeah, to the point where you're ready.

[00:46:52 - 00:47:31] Speaker: Speaker 3
Just you're talking about throwing down. So I hope to God we don't end up there. But what we can't do is we can't just continue to pretend like it's not happening. Which to me is what we are doing. Like people are terrified of calling somebody a communist. You can read press reports on Mamdani all day long, and they'll talk about him being a reformer or liberal or progressive, or occasionally they'll be courageous enough to to say he's a socialist, know, like there's nothing there's nothing ambiguous about his Democratic Socialists of America party that he belongs to.

[00:47:31 - 00:47:39] Speaker: Speaker 3
He was their candidate for mayor there. Again, you can just go to their open website. You don't have to attend a secret meeting or bugged their conversation.

[00:47:39 - 00:47:40] Speaker: Speaker 2
In plain sight.

[00:47:40 - 00:48:01] Speaker: Speaker 3
It's in plain sight, and their goal is as explicit as it could possibly be. And yet you search in vain for somebody who will say that out loud, you know? So we just I guess what I'm saying is we continue to allow them to operate.

[00:48:01 - 00:48:10] Speaker: Speaker 3
Almost undercover, to look like they're achieving their goals. And we're pretending like they're we don't know what their goals are. What?

[00:48:10 - 00:48:15] Speaker: Speaker 2
What? That's a site that's a some sort of mental illness that's like a collective mental illness.

[00:48:15 - 00:48:23] Speaker: Speaker 3
Well, look, when Curbishley when I was running against Mamdani as the Republican candidate in Iceland, Curtis never had a chance to win in New York City.

[00:48:23 - 00:48:24] Speaker: Speaker 2
He never has had a chance to win. Right?

[00:48:24 - 00:48:34] Speaker: Speaker 3
Exactly right. But even Curtis, who's pretty frigging hard hitting right.

[00:48:34 - 00:48:55] Speaker: Speaker 3
I felt like the whole time was pulling his punches on this. He was a kid gloves. It was weird. You're like, okay, this guy's a communist. And that ought to be what you say about every other word on the campaign trail. And then you ought to be explaining to everybody what that means, what the heck that means, and what that's going to mean to you in, in the real world.

[00:48:55 - 00:49:15] Speaker: Speaker 3
And let's just say this over and over and over and over and over and drive it into people's. And yet even he who obviously has some guts, right? The guys put his life on the line. So even he felt like I got to pull my punches. I can't say. So you're basically giving him the space to do this?

[00:49:15 - 00:49:16] Speaker: Speaker 3
You're letting us get away?

[00:49:16 - 00:49:43] Speaker: Speaker 2
Yeah. It's all it's the Jordan Peterson line. He's like men, like good men are capable of incredible violence and choose not to, you know? So if you're capable of of, you know, standing up and protecting the people, your neighbors, your family, why is it that the words are the things that you like, if you're if you're not going to be indiscriminate with a bullet when the shit hits the fan, why would you be indiscriminate beforehand with your words?

[00:49:43 - 00:49:59] Speaker: Speaker 3
Yeah, well, I mean, they obviously have cowed people and intimidated people and made them feel like you're going to be attacked if you say these things. Okay. People ask me that all the time. I want to speak up on such and such, but I'm afraid they're going to attack you. And my response always is, okay, I'll spare you the suspense.

[00:49:59 - 00:50:20] Speaker: Speaker 3
Yes, you're going to be attacked. What are they going to call you? Bad names? Yes, they're going to call you everything. You think they're going to call you? They're going to call you all those things and then a bunch of stuff you never anticipate. So just get over it. Go through it. I mean, if you if you were serious about saving the country, then for the love of God, man, don't let them convince you to shut up.

[00:50:20 - 00:50:43] Speaker: Speaker 2
I have a friend who's a black artist. Really? Not like a political guy. And in Butler, when Trump got shot, it that affected him so much that he had to paint it, right. He he texted me. He goes, he goes, what do I do? I said, well, you're you're an artist. Paint it. So he paints it. He goes, but what about like the repercussions?

[00:50:43 - 00:51:01] Speaker: Speaker 2
I said, look, if you paint this like you're going to be a race traitor, you're going to be sure all the things that you think that I've been called, they're going to call you that. And are you ready for that? And he goes, yeah, I'm ready for that. And I think a lot of people just aren't because it's just it's tough.

[00:51:01 - 00:51:08] Speaker: Speaker 2
It's really tough to be on the receiving end of people you don't know when they're scoring, because everybody at their core, you know, I want to be liked.

[00:51:08 - 00:51:27] Speaker: Speaker 3
Nobody, nobody likes it. It's not cool. You just got to make a decision. Many, you know, like, okay, is that more important or is my country is my country more important? And and I'm glad you brought up the fact that this guy that we're talking about is black because, you know, obviously, often this is painted as well.

[00:51:27 - 00:51:50] Speaker: Speaker 3
If you criticize any of these people like my nominee, you must be a white racist kind of thing. Yeah. And that is not the stick. You know? I mean, in in working in advance of the presidential election, I and a bunch of other folks in the area spent a lot of time down in Hazleton. So Hazleton is at least two thirds Hispanic now.

[00:51:50 - 00:52:26] Speaker: Speaker 3
Almost all Dominicans, they're all friggin here for a reason because they left garbage behind that they don't want to come here. And they are overwhelmingly right entrepreneurs. Hard working folks, business people, whatever. Every meeting we ever had down there, they were the most patriotic, unapologetic Americans. Like, I spoke down there and I think and got a standing ovation, whatever.

[00:52:26 - 00:52:52] Speaker: Speaker 3
But the point is, probably the most enthusiastic response to me speaking in a long time. And everybody in the room other than me and a handful of other guys that went down with me, was Dominican, and they're all folks who were born in the Dominican Republic and moved here, and they said they know why the hell they're here, and they know what it's all about, and they know what the real danger is.

[00:52:52 - 00:53:07] Speaker: Speaker 3
And they're not apologizing at all. They're like, we're not going to tolerate communism and socialism and all this garbage. Come in, here we go. No way. And I don't care what you say about me, I, I, I mean, it doesn't even enter their minds to to care about it.

[00:53:07 - 00:53:24] Speaker: Speaker 2
So it's it's so strange to me that you don't hear their voices. It's so strange to me, like the people that that like we're that we're told, you know, are the ones who are like the real America, but, you know, but you never hear from them because they. Because they have a dissenting point of view. Yeah. So it has nothing to do with the race.

[00:53:24 - 00:53:46] Speaker: Speaker 2
It has nothing to do with the country. No, it has nothing to do with it. What it has to do with is like, look, my wife's Russian, she she was born in 1992, right at the fall of communism. Right. The remnants were still there. She's way more American one that way more than me. But, like, we're pretty equal.

[00:53:46 - 00:53:47] Speaker: Speaker 2
But she understands.

[00:53:47 - 00:53:51] Speaker: Speaker 3
Yeah, 100%. And my sister in law is Vietnamese, right? Her family.

[00:53:51 - 00:53:51] Speaker: Speaker 2
Makes great.

[00:53:51 - 00:54:22] Speaker: Speaker 3
Food. But my fled, you know, fled after the fall of Saigon. Right. My daughter in law is Cameroonian. There's a reason why her family's here. And they are all 1,000% committed to what this country is right now. Well, a big chunk of the press doesn't want to talk about that because their whole narrative is this is if you oppose any of what we've been talking about, it's because you're a white racist scumbag.

[00:54:22 - 00:54:29] Speaker: Speaker 3
Yeah. Probably belong to a militia of some kind. Yeah.

[00:54:29 - 00:54:42] Speaker: Speaker 2
I didn't mean to cough into the microphone right there. Tell me about color revolutions. What are they? How do they work? And what is their goal?

[00:54:42 - 00:54:46] Speaker: Speaker 3
Well, I mean, the goal of a color revolution is to overthrow whatever the existing government.

[00:54:46 - 00:54:53] Speaker: Speaker 2
Now, these have happened in, Ukraine, Egypt. I forget the other countries.

[00:54:54 - 00:55:16] Speaker: Speaker 3
Yeah, in a number of places. And and the immediate name color revolution is because usually in the propaganda, if you will, it's associated with this. There's some imagery and it usually revolves around some specific color. Specific color. And by showing that color you're showing your solidarity. So that's where the term comes from. It's a you know, it's a revolution.

[00:55:16 - 00:55:45] Speaker: Speaker 3
It's a coup. It's a you grab a hold of an issue, create a cause, and, turnout, folks, and create the impression that the government no longer, enjoys the necessary popular support and the whole good I say impression, because, look, the CIA overthrew the government of Guatemala, and I think it was 54.

[00:55:45 - 00:55:56] Speaker: Speaker 3
Largely because they took control of the radio station in the capital city. And, in those days, that was about what I mean, that was.

[00:55:56 - 00:55:57] Speaker: Speaker 2
The only source of information for.

[00:55:57 - 00:56:15] Speaker: Speaker 3
People. Precisely. There was no television, and that was it. So that was the internet. That was everything. And then they broadcast completely fictitious reports of a massive rebel army marching on the Capitol. And the whole rebel army consisted of like 500 guys or something.

[00:56:15 - 00:56:16] Speaker: Speaker 2
Yeah, I remember reading about it.

[00:56:16 - 00:56:27] Speaker: Speaker 3
Created a complete, in other words, accurate, completed it, created a complete false reality for the purpose of overthrowing the government.

[00:56:27 - 00:56:55] Speaker: Speaker 2
That is now it's I don't think there's political assassinations anymore. I think there's cancel culture. I think it's cheaper. There's less bloodshed from it. And I think with color revolutions, it's like, if you want to overthrow a government, if you want to, regime change, it seems like the cheaper option because it's got to be funded in some way.

[00:56:55 - 00:57:16] Speaker: Speaker 2
And in all these countries where this happens, follow the money. Where is the money coming from? Who are the interests? Right. Who are the outside government bodies that are interested in doing it? And instead of instead of bringing all the aircraft carriers and the bombers and at the cost of billions of dollars for a couple $100 million, you could literally overthrow a government if you orchestrate it.

[00:57:16 - 00:57:19] Speaker: Speaker 2
Right. And the blueprints are out there because they've been successful in the past.

[00:57:20 - 00:57:35] Speaker: Speaker 3
Right. And in addition to that, if you do it right in the sense of effectively not a moral judgment. Yeah. It doesn't look like an outside power, did it? Right? Right. It doesn't it doesn't look like.

[00:57:35 - 00:57:37] Speaker: Speaker 2
Like Victoria Nuland and Ukraine.

[00:57:38 - 00:57:56] Speaker: Speaker 3
It doesn't look like ultimately what we resorted to in Iraq. Right. Which is American tanks running into Baghdad. It looks like the people have spoken and the people spontaneously rose up and the people and the people overthrew the government, and therefore this is all good and we should get behind it.

[00:57:56 - 00:58:03] Speaker: Speaker 2
Do you think that there's currently a color, a color revolution going on in the United States?

[00:58:03 - 00:58:21] Speaker: Speaker 3
Yeah, I guess I mean, there is, you know, you can call it I don't want to get hung up on the terminology. You could call it a color revolution, whatever. I mean, there is clearly a concerted effort to overthrow, to destroy the country as we know it well.

[00:58:21 - 00:58:28] Speaker: Speaker 2
So I'll, I'll I'll give a couple examples. The 2020 BLM riots that were mostly peaceful were funded.

[00:58:28 - 00:58:29] Speaker: Speaker 3
The year percent.

[00:58:29 - 00:58:36] Speaker: Speaker 2
The look, whether you agree with Trump or not, you can't deny that.

[00:58:36 - 00:58:42] Speaker: Speaker 2
Interests aligned and they decided to create. They wanted to put Donald Trump in jail for the rest of his life for four years.

[00:58:42 - 00:58:43] Speaker: Speaker 3
Yes.

[00:58:43 - 00:59:06] Speaker: Speaker 2
For for doing what every other real estate person ever does. And you can't deny the fact that there's a group called Open Society that has has funded the campaigns of over 100 district attorneys in this country, not including funding the protest groups to show up in these places with the signs, because nobody's that. Nobody's at home with glitter.

[00:59:06 - 00:59:32] Speaker: Speaker 2
They all have all these pre-made signs. Right? So, like what happens when you elect DA's that align with an ideology? It's the easiest way to create chaos. It's the easiest way to to remove whatever pillars of of a country are there. When you prosecute the ones that don't need to be prosecuted, and you let go of the ones that do need to be prosecuted.

[00:59:32 - 00:59:58] Speaker: Speaker 2
Take, for example, the recent subway murders or gang rapes, where, you know, you have we have criminals who have been let out of jail 30 times. 40 times. I think the new guy was 54. And then you say to yourselves, and then there's the statistics in these countries where it's like I say, I read somewhere that I think in New York that that like 88% of the crime is committed by like the same 200 people.

[00:59:58 - 00:59:59] Speaker: Speaker 3
Yes.

[00:59:59 - 01:00:01] Speaker: Speaker 2
And they're not prosecuted.

[01:00:01 - 01:00:02] Speaker: Speaker 3
Right.

[01:00:02 - 01:00:08] Speaker: Speaker 2
Like, you call it what you want, but it's happening. And do you agree with that?

[01:00:08 - 01:00:47] Speaker: Speaker 3
Yeah. Well, I mean, I think you touched on at least a couple of different related things here. One is, without question, the BLM riots, whatever you're calling in 2020, but all every other mass action that has happened in this country since and are still happening, there's no well, there's no secret. I mean, you will search the mass media in vain for any reference to this, but if you actually dig into it, all of these things are organized and all of these things are funded, and they are usually funded by billionaires and these huge non-profits and massive amounts of money flows down.

[01:00:47 - 01:00:55] Speaker: Speaker 2
So most of it is government money. Well, a large portion of it, excluding the billionaires, it's NGO.

[01:00:55 - 01:01:24] Speaker: Speaker 3
Their their government money that comes through NGOs. There's private money that comes through NGOs. But the point is none of this crap where it's supposedly a spontaneous uprising of people who are oppressed, none of it is spontaneous. None of it is disorganized. Often it's the same characters, the same cast of characters. I mean, you look at like 3 or 4 of these, these events, it's the same people, all campaigns, and it's the same guys.

[01:01:24 - 01:01:51] Speaker: Speaker 3
Or you'll see different names on organizations would take two minutes and look at the, the actually determine the physical address of the office from which they're operating. And you realize it's the exact same office in DC as like four other ongoing things that all pretend to be independent of each other. So so there's no question of orchestration, mass amounts of money.

[01:01:51 - 01:02:18] Speaker: Speaker 3
The second thing that I think you touched on is just like the the legitimization of the use of violence and force. Right. And it is clear to me that the left has made a conscious decision. I'm using the left as shorthand. You know, for the moment, I made a conscious decision to employ violence. Right. That's what the 2020 events were about.

[01:02:18 - 01:02:26] Speaker: Speaker 3
But we've seen it in many occasions, many occasions since, and we're going to see a lot more of it. And honestly, that's like the end of the Republic, man.

[01:02:26 - 01:02:30] Speaker: Speaker 2
That's once you allow violence.

[01:02:30 - 01:03:01] Speaker: Speaker 3
Once, you know, the whole deal is we're supposed to have agreed as a society to rules and limitations, and we solve our problems in certain structured ways for a reason, with a written constitution and a whole bunch of laws, etc. and as you know of, ultimately, if one side has decided that they will not play by those rules, then everybody else will ultimately be forced to follow suit.

[01:03:01 - 01:03:25] Speaker: Speaker 3
And this is exactly what the hell happened to the Republic. That to the Roman Republic, they had a whole, you know, they had a democracy and it was structured differently than our constitutional republic, but they also had a lot of unwritten rules for them. It was a lot of traditions, but basically they had a system and this is how we solve our differences.

[01:03:25 - 01:03:46] Speaker: Speaker 3
And these are the limitations. And then eventually you just end up with a bunch of guys with a lot of power and not a lot of guns, but swords in those days. And they began to just employ those means. And then the next thing you know, it's blood in the streets. And that's and now you realize we can't go back like it was acid on the foundations of the Republic.

[01:03:46 - 01:04:09] Speaker: Speaker 3
You can't put it back. I mean, it's interesting when you read about the way the Roman Republic sellers, even when it was way down the road, when in hindsight, you were I would look at the history and read it and think, okay, well, you guys are done. Yeah. There were still people right in the middle of that. I don't mean just the average Joe, but the folks who at the top who were who really were still thinking, it's not too late, man.

[01:04:09 - 01:04:34] Speaker: Speaker 3
We can put this back together. We can. We can all agree to go put everything back in the box and play with you. And in retrospect, you realize you were doomed. Man, you know, we're way too late. You. You crossed too many lines by that point. That really. I mean, that bothers me, worries me a lot, is, you know, ultimately you're going to find that this is the system.

[01:04:34 - 01:04:39] Speaker: Speaker 3
Now, we saw things in the streets, violence and chaos.

[01:04:39 - 01:05:03] Speaker: Speaker 2
Has there ever been an example of a country or a government since the fall of the Roman Empire to say, okay, we can go back, we can re-implement the things that this is all about? Or is it always it's just it's just you're prolonging life or you're prolonging death in essence.

[01:05:03 - 01:05:07] Speaker: Speaker 3
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, you know, no example comes to mind. I mean.

[01:05:07 - 01:05:12] Speaker: Speaker 2
Certainly like there's no where that's like, oh, in Albania, they were down the road and they were like, all right, today we're going to.

[01:05:12 - 01:05:12] Speaker: Speaker 3
No, I mean, you know what?

[01:05:12 - 01:05:13] Speaker: Speaker 2
Course. Correct.

[01:05:13 - 01:05:35] Speaker: Speaker 3
Unfortunately, even when somehow or another it eventually gets put back together, the first thing that happens is you fall into the abyss for a long time. Yeah. I mean, you know, you just. And and I feel like this is a theme to get to. Keeps running through this conversation. We're having is for you to imagine that we change course is requires people to start standing up.

[01:05:35 - 01:05:44] Speaker: Speaker 3
And I'm talking to folks in positions of authority position and actually talk about what the hell is happening. Yeah, talk about this.

[01:05:44 - 01:06:11] Speaker: Speaker 2
Well, I mean, you just talked about before where I wanted to bring up that, like, you know, our country, a lot of it was about debate and public and public, public displays of ideas. And we don't do that now. And once you stifle that, they're like, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know how you get that back, because you're supposed to be able to talk about basically anything.

[01:06:11 - 01:06:17] Speaker: Speaker 2
You made the best idea win with reason and critical thinking. But we're not doing that.

[01:06:17 - 01:06:36] Speaker: Speaker 3
No, I mean, you know, I always say to folks, all the pictures of the Founding Fathers were of a bunch of guys in powdered wigs and stuff, and you imagine that they were all very stiff and very understated. You're like, these guys had every meeting in a bar, man. Yeah. And and they went through multiple wars and smallpox epidemic.

[01:06:36 - 01:06:40] Speaker: Speaker 3
These were not shy, retiring individuals sheltered somewhere.

[01:06:40 - 01:06:42] Speaker: Speaker 2
Most were under 30.

[01:06:42 - 01:07:04] Speaker: Speaker 3
A bunch of young guys. And and they knew exactly what the heck they were talking about when they said freedom of speech. That doesn't mean everybody's going to be super polite, right? We're going to be really loud and very, really aggressive. But at the end of the day, having exercised that right, we're also going to play by the rules and follow the law and so forth.

[01:07:04 - 01:07:11] Speaker: Speaker 3
So it wasn't about being shy, retiring or timid or anything else. Very much to the contrary. But

[01:07:11 - 01:07:16] Speaker: Speaker 2
It's about saying the things that were unpopular, speaking truth.

[01:07:16 - 01:07:43] Speaker: Speaker 3
Right? I mean, how many, you know, just think about your elected representatives. Are there any of them that you have even heard talk about, any of the things we're talking about in terms of they keep trying to pretend like none of this is actually happening. I mean, even the ones who are attacking Mamdani are terrified to call the guy a communist.

[01:07:43 - 01:08:09] Speaker: Speaker 3
Yeah. A man whose party says we are an evil, horrible construct created by slavers and racists. A prison of nations, on and on and on. And who advocates for explicitly communist solutions. It's emotional, and he won't. And they are terrified to say.

[01:08:09 - 01:08:13] Speaker: Speaker 2
Do you think any foreign foreign actors are amplifying this 100% homegrown?

[01:08:13 - 01:08:33] Speaker: Speaker 3
No, not 100% have grown. Yes. I mean, it's like that. I always refer to it as like a witch's brew, right? Mamdani got a lot of support from organizations directly tied to China. Not and not not. How is that possible? Well, how is that allowed? There's. But it shouldn't be allowed. That's another question. Where the hell is American counterintelligence?

[01:08:33 - 01:08:54] Speaker: Speaker 3
I mean, the Chinese operate something called the United Front, which basically means they're in a from a million points of contact all over the world. They're pushing for whatever's best for China. So they operate all across the United States. They interfere in state and local and federal politics all the time.

[01:08:54 - 01:08:55] Speaker: Speaker 2
And they buy a farmland.

[01:08:55 - 01:09:29] Speaker: Speaker 3
And they buy a foreign land, and they do all kinds of other nefarious. And they penetrate the systems that run our critical infrastructure. And they do a million other horrible, nasty things. And it's a lot more than just one, one girl named Fang Fang or Ling Ling or whatever name is was sleeping with Swalwell. I mean, it's done on an industrial scale, and they and they operate down to the state and local level because, well, first of all, because some of the state and local governments have a lot of influence, but also because it's a lot easier to recruit a guy when he's at the local level and he's trying to make a name and

[01:09:29 - 01:09:32] Speaker: Speaker 3
he needs money. I mean, recruit in the sense of.

[01:09:32 - 01:09:33] Speaker: Speaker 2
Ambition.

[01:09:33 - 01:09:54] Speaker: Speaker 3
Recruiting him to be an asset. You know, if you get that guy when he's trying to get elected to the state House and he doesn't have a lot of money and doesn't have a name recognition, a little bit of support will go a long way and then you own him. So ten years later, he's a U.S. senator and you still own him as opposed to waiting until he's a U.S. senator and then going to try it again.

[01:09:54 - 01:10:05] Speaker: Speaker 3
It's not necessarily impossible, but probably more difficult, much more difficult thing. I mean, that's a standard principle of intelligence work. You recruit a guy in ride that horse up as he.

[01:10:05 - 01:10:06] Speaker: Speaker 2
As you get them when they're on city council.

[01:10:06 - 01:10:11] Speaker: Speaker 3
Precisely. Yeah. He needs he needs cash. And nobody believes in him. But we believe in you, buddy.

[01:10:11 - 01:10:12] Speaker: Speaker 2
And it's a ten year investment.

[01:10:12 - 01:10:32] Speaker: Speaker 3
And then. And then ten years later, he's wherever. And then 20 years later, he's running the country. And he's been in your pocket for 20 years. And it was money well spent from an Intel perspective. So the Chinese do that all over, all over the country okay. Everybody knows that. You can read all of that ad nauseum on the internet.

[01:10:32 - 01:10:48] Speaker: Speaker 3
It's not like two guys know that secret. We're supposed to have a counterintelligence apparatus, which should be should be preventing any of that from happening. Shouldn't should be stopping the Chinese from funneling large quantities of money to.

[01:10:48 - 01:10:49] Speaker: Speaker 2
Any foreign government.

[01:10:49 - 01:11:05] Speaker: Speaker 3
Or any foreign. Yeah, exactly. But we should. That's what they get paid to do. Where are they? I don't know, nowhere to be seen. Our counterintelligence. It's not making any significant dentin in Chinese activities or any other activities.

[01:11:05 - 01:11:08] Speaker: Speaker 2
Is that is that.

[01:11:08 - 01:11:24] Speaker: Speaker 2
Is that when you were when you were in did were they that I'll give them grace naive or were they pursuing those things or is it or is it kind of like a people are people. It's sometimes it's mutually beneficial. Sometimes.

[01:11:24 - 01:11:31] Speaker: Speaker 3
Well, I mean, the first thing to be clear on is CIA doesn't have a chartered to do counterintelligence in the United States.

[01:11:31 - 01:11:32] Speaker: Speaker 2
Well, they don't, but.

[01:11:32 - 01:12:00] Speaker: Speaker 3
Well, they may they may do that. None of this is intended to say CIA has never done shit that they shouldn't have done. That's not where I'm going. Right? My the CIA's job is to collect intelligence abroad. Now, if there's a Chinese guy on U.S. soil who I can meet in McLean, Virginia, for dinner in a relaxed environment as opposed to trying to make contact with him in Beijing, we'll CIA meet foreign sources on US soil absolutely, all the time.

[01:12:00 - 01:12:12] Speaker: Speaker 3
But their primary focus is not counterintelligence in the US and actually by us by law. If they're doing anything like that, it has to be with FBI permission.

[01:12:12 - 01:12:14] Speaker: Speaker 2
So with the FBI, be the ones that are supposed.

[01:12:14 - 01:12:38] Speaker: Speaker 3
To be 100% there. So the Brits have what's called the well, what most people refer to as MI5, just use it, that name. That's not really the formal title, but that's what everybody calls. That's a domestic counterintelligence organization. It's not cops, it's not their FBI. It's not their Scotland Yard. They're spies who work inside the United Kingdom against foreigners.

[01:12:38 - 01:13:06] Speaker: Speaker 3
So if you are a bad guy on inside the UK, inside England, MI5 is supposed to gather information on you and if necessary, feed that to law enforcement to get you arrested. We don't have such an entity. There is a national security division within FBI, and they are the ones who are supposed to be our MI5. Doesn't work.

[01:13:06 - 01:13:26] Speaker: Speaker 3
And I don't, you know, look, I'm the last guy in the world to say we should create another agency because we've already got too many. But the FBI is cops and cops and spies. Totally different mentalities. And so what you got is a bunch of cops trying to function as domestic counterintelligence guys, and they just don't have the right.

[01:13:26 - 01:13:40] Speaker: Speaker 3
I mean, cops and spies do totally different thing. Cops go arrest somebody who already committed a crime, figure out who the hell did it put him in prison. Spies, theoretically, are acquiring the information to prevent the crime from ever happening in the first place.

[01:13:40 - 01:13:42] Speaker: Speaker 2
What's the point is to prevent the whole point?

[01:13:42 - 01:14:12] Speaker: Speaker 3
Yeah. They're not supposed to go figure out who blew up the World Trade Center. They're supposed to stop the World Trade Center from blowing them. Okay, so, it's really it's it's just really doesn't work to have guys from a law enforcement organization in charge of counterintelligence inside the United States because they're just wired totally differently. Just like if you put CIA in charge of doing a bank robbery investigation, right, it would be a nightmare, right?

[01:14:13 - 01:14:24] Speaker: Speaker 3
They would suck at it. So, yeah, you know, it's it's just totally different. Think the bottom line is we're dropping the ball. We we're not we're not stopping the Chinese. We're not stopping anybody else on your soil.

[01:14:24 - 01:14:47] Speaker: Speaker 2
Do you think that's a leadership thing or do you think that that is kind of like, and like, you know, you spoke before about, like, you know, unwritten rules like the that the, the Romans had, is there some sort of culture inside these agencies that kind of looks away?

[01:14:47 - 01:14:58] Speaker: Speaker 3
Well, I mean, maybe there are so political constraints we were taught you were talking before about are we talking about many factors or one thing? And I said, you know, I kind of go with the George Carlin thing.

[01:14:58 - 01:15:01] Speaker: Speaker 2
It's an interesting line. Yeah.

[01:15:01 - 01:15:22] Speaker: Speaker 3
And and just kind of a confluence of events. I mean, look on the Chinese thing, the Chinese are running rampant. They're stealing our technology. They're supporting our politicians. They're messing with our critical infrastructure. Why the heck don't we tell them all to get the hell out of here? I'm talking about Chinese citizens. Why are we allowing this? Why?

[01:15:22 - 01:15:26] Speaker: Speaker 3
Why do we allow them in all our university labs and on and on, and not?

[01:15:27 - 01:15:28] Speaker: Speaker 2
Why are we bringing 600,000?

[01:15:28 - 01:15:58] Speaker: Speaker 3
And exactly why are we allowing, allowing them to even think that they could mess around in American domestic politics without all being sent to prison or sent packing? Well, I mean, a big chunk of that is because how hard are you going to push them? And what is the bottom line for some giant multinational corporation that does business in China, manufactures all its crap and China ships it.

[01:15:58 - 01:16:20] Speaker: Speaker 3
I mean, you know, next thing you know, you're talking to guys that are making trillions of dollars about shaking up the status quo and affecting their bottom line. And those dudes, quite honestly, in my estimation, care a lot more about their bottom line than they do about the fact that down the road, this is the end of the Republic, right?

[01:16:20 - 01:16:40] Speaker: Speaker 3
And what doesn't? They don't care about that. They don't care about that at all. I'm getting rich. I just bought another yacht and I just bought a house and on Lake Geneva to add to my money. And I built a bunker and I built a bunker, and I bought a new diamond necklace for one of my mistresses. And, life is good for me, so I don't care.

[01:16:40 - 01:16:52] Speaker: Speaker 2
There's that line from the Oliver to reference Oliver Stone again. Nixon, I think, I think I don't know if this actually happened, but there was a rumor that had happened. Remember? Like, they would say that Nixon would escape from the white House and go over to.

[01:16:52 - 01:16:53] Speaker: Speaker 3
Right.

[01:16:53 - 01:17:12] Speaker: Speaker 2
And there was a protest and anti-war protests going over there. And, and the line was like, the protester was like, you could stop this. You could stop this war. You could make it end today. And then he really didn't say anything. And like she in that moment, she had that realization that even he, as the president, could not stop it.

[01:17:12 - 01:17:16] Speaker: Speaker 2
Do you think that that's that might be in play.

[01:17:16 - 01:17:22] Speaker: Speaker 3
Couldn't stop it or certainly was not willing to deal with the consequences of that?

[01:17:22 - 01:17:24] Speaker: Speaker 2
Maybe that's it. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:17:24 - 01:17:45] Speaker: Speaker 3
Well, I was having a conversation the other day. Yesterday, I think we were talking about Ukraine, you know, what's the issue with stopping the war in Ukraine? Okay. And there are a bunch of issues, obviously. And one of them is clearly territorial. Who's going to keep what chunk of land. And that's not inconsequential. But, you know, one of the things I said was.

[01:17:45 - 01:18:19] Speaker: Speaker 3
You know, to the person I was talking to you and I think was a horrible frigging thing, people die, people get, and people suffer horrible consequences. Entire cities are flattened. Yeah, exactly. Money. Okay. But you and I think that way. But in Ukraine, there are people who are have gotten phenomenally wealthy off of this war. And in the United States and in a whole bunch of Western European countries, the best estimate I've seen is 36% of all the money that went to Ukraine was stolen.

[01:18:19 - 01:18:34] Speaker: Speaker 3
I saw that, okay, the president several people have used something like this figure, but one of them was the former president of Ukraine who said the other day, I think his exact figure was he's calculated 106 billion stolen.

[01:18:34 - 01:18:36] Speaker: Speaker 2
That didn't go to didn't go to the effort, didn't go.

[01:18:36 - 01:19:04] Speaker: Speaker 3
To 106 billion, went into somebody's pocket to buy new cars, to buy a house to wherever was flat out stolen 36% of all it. Which, by the way, is the figure we have now. Our special inspector general for Afghanistan has now issued a formal report saying that's the figure that we think applies for Afghanistan. 36% of all the money we sent to Afghanistan was stolen.

[01:19:04 - 01:19:12] Speaker: Speaker 2
This seems okay. I'm a layman, but it seems oddly similar to the Ukraine.

[01:19:12 - 01:19:22] Speaker: Speaker 3
Left. Precisely. And then? And then you. Okay, so that's the Ukraine side. I mean, they just the chief of staff was Zelenskyy, one of the most powerful guys in the.

[01:19:22 - 01:19:23] Speaker: Speaker 2
Just got raided. Right.

[01:19:24 - 01:19:50] Speaker: Speaker 3
Just got raided. He's being charged for one. This is one deal which they calculated. He pocketed $100 million. Holy shit. That's one deal that this guy. Okay. And this guy's sitting right next to the president. He's his right hand man. So Zelensky's not. He knows. He. You know, not only is he clearly knows and presumably has been involved himself directly in similar things.

[01:19:50 - 01:20:19] Speaker: Speaker 3
Then you look at the US side, we're always announcing that we're sending money to Ukraine X number of billions of dollars. I think now just defense aid is somewhere in the region of 130 billion. We gave we gave him. Okay, we say that. But what it really means is we sent billions to Raytheon or Lockheed or General Dynamics, some big defense contractor, to make this stuff.

[01:20:19 - 01:20:25] Speaker: Speaker 3
Typically what happens is we send stuff straight out of our stocks to Ukraine. Then Raytheon.

[01:20:25 - 01:20:26] Speaker: Speaker 2
We make.

[01:20:26 - 01:20:57] Speaker: Speaker 3
Replenishes. But the bottom line doesn't matter who where it ends up. The point is that money didn't go to Ukraine. That money went to Lockheed, Raytheon, General Dynamics for the five biggest defense contractors in the world are formerly American. The formerly well, usually I mean they are American. The fifth is B, which is sometimes referred to as a British company because its headquarters is in London.

[01:20:57 - 01:21:27] Speaker: Speaker 3
It actually is owned now in its entirety by big American investment firms like Blackrock. So they still got a British flag up and their headquarters is in London, but it is in fact owned by American capitalist capital firms. So it's an American company as well. Their profit profits for this because of the Ukraine war are through the frigging roof.

[01:21:27 - 01:21:57] Speaker: Speaker 3
And if you then start working down the list of top defense companies, I mean, something like at least a third of the top hundred are American, whatever. The only other folks that show up on that list, I mean, they're a couple of Chinese firms or whatever, basically. Then all the firms are French, British, German, Dutch. So any time you hear the Western Europeans whining and saying, we're caving in wishes, they don't want to see peace in Ukraine because we're surrendering to Putin.

[01:21:57 - 01:22:28] Speaker: Speaker 3
You're like, yeah, or the guy who runs this French company called Macron yesterday and said, you know, Mike, profits will drop 15% year over year if we sign a peace deal. We can't do that. I'm you know, I mean, at this point, Raytheon, Lockheed companies like that, they have it's not just they haven't even begun to fulfill all the orders they already have.

[01:22:28 - 01:22:41] Speaker: Speaker 3
So it's not just that their profits are already through the roof. They have now scheduled out into the future years of production. I mean, things have never been so good for them. They can so.

[01:22:41 - 01:22:57] Speaker: Speaker 2
How in five years, we make it incredibly, incredibly lucrative for both vaccine companies and defense contractors. How does that it seems it seems like the last five years have been a little abnormal for their profits.

[01:22:57 - 01:23:24] Speaker: Speaker 3
Well, I mean, so, yeah, I was going to say, you know, we're talking now, we've ended up talking about defense companies or I have, but Pfizer, Moderna, these guys you're looking at vaccines. Well vaccines. You know they've probably made $1 trillion literally off of vaccines already since Covid but into the future, because mRNA vaccines are going to continue to be trotted out.

[01:23:24 - 01:23:52] Speaker: Speaker 3
They're talking trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars. So anytime you're looking at American policy on vaccines, health freedom, any of that stuff, you're like, yeah, man. But, these guys have more money than God. And they it's not just they have all that money, but how many congressmen and senators work for them, you know, dare not cross them?

[01:23:52 - 01:23:57] Speaker: Speaker 2
I think it's very apparent when you see them speaking to the vaccine representatives on Capitol Hill.

[01:23:57 - 01:24:03] Speaker: Speaker 3
Precisely, exactly. You're like, this guy owns you, man. Yeah.

[01:24:03 - 01:24:28] Speaker: Speaker 2
So I read it. I read a quote the other day that is, if you're not if you can't criticize your leader, you're in a cult. And when you see people that don't criticize people for either, either war or health, right, they're they're paid for, all right. If this continues unchecked, what's going on in our country? What do you think America looks like in ten, 20 years?

[01:24:28 - 01:24:32] Speaker: Speaker 2
This cultural Marxism and ignorance to reality?

[01:24:33 - 01:24:36] Speaker: Speaker 3
Well, I mean, one way this breaks is the Marxist win.

[01:24:36 - 01:24:38] Speaker: Speaker 2
Which is not good.

[01:24:38 - 01:24:57] Speaker: Speaker 3
Which means increasingly you live in a communist nation and let let's. Yeah. Everybody's going to say, yeah, that's crazy talk. On January 1st, the nation's largest city will formally have as its mayor a communist. And or most of.

[01:24:57 - 01:24:58] Speaker: Speaker 2
The banking goes through to.

[01:24:58 - 01:25:17] Speaker: Speaker 3
Calls that that city in terms of size, economic impact, everything else will be run by a communist. And his entire administration is filled with people just as radical as he is. So that that just happened. Man, that's not could happen. That's not somebody done him novel.

[01:25:18 - 01:25:18] Speaker: Speaker 2
Yeah. It's not a scientific.

[01:25:18 - 01:25:36] Speaker: Speaker 3
That's for real. So it just doesn't happen to have to happen. Like boom, Washington DC was suddenly taken over. It can happen in pieces. I mean, it already is happening in pieces, but it can begin to happen faster and much more formally. There's no reason why New York City has to be the last city that that or that.

[01:25:36 - 01:26:04] Speaker: Speaker 3
It has to be confined to cities that you can have a state governor. I mean, so that's a direction, you know, or we stand up to it and, stop this and roll it back or ultimately where what you and I have touched on several times, which is this just ultimately has to be resolved in a way that is not resolved through legal means, through through debate.

[01:26:04 - 01:26:10] Speaker: Speaker 3
It ends up being resolved through violence, which again, I hope to God is not the case. And I certainly don't advocate.

[01:26:11 - 01:26:18] Speaker: Speaker 2
I'm trying to do I'm trying part of the reason why I do this and talk to people like you and we're where I talk to is, is because I want to avoid that.

[01:26:18 - 01:26:19] Speaker: Speaker 3
At yes every.

[01:26:19 - 01:26:20] Speaker: Speaker 2
Measure.

[01:26:20 - 01:26:43] Speaker: Speaker 3
Yeah. If you've ever been to a country where there was a civil war going going you would not. You know, you would not ever entertain the fantasy that this is a way you want to resolve issues. I mean, you know, I understand people get talked off sometimes and they're like, well, we got a lot more guns than they do, and we know how to use them.

[01:26:43 - 01:27:07] Speaker: Speaker 3
And this kind of like, man, this is not a game. It's not a video game. This is not like one day you're going to do some cool stuff and be a hero. That's not what this looks like. This is horrible, bloody protracted. Lots of innocent people get destroyed. And as you brought up earlier, and once you break it, good luck putting it back together.

[01:27:07 - 01:27:16] Speaker: Speaker 3
I mean, we fought a civil war in this country once. In a lot of ways, we're still dealing with the aftermath of it.

[01:27:16 - 01:27:17] Speaker: Speaker 2
After 170 years.

[01:27:17 - 01:27:35] Speaker: Speaker 3
After 170 years, you're still really trying to deal with to to you're still have those scars from or something. I have 170 years. And keep in mind, we killed we lost more Americans in that civil war than in any other war we've ever been. Horrified.

[01:27:35 - 01:27:55] Speaker: Speaker 2
I was reading, I was reading something where it's where it's at, how many people it was. The statistic was how many people actually fought in that war. What percentage of the country. And it was only like a little bit above 1%. That means 99% of the people were not doing anything. And these were people who at the time who were like hunting for food and, and, and gardening.

[01:27:55 - 01:28:03] Speaker: Speaker 2
And they're strong and they're healthy and they don't have Netflix and no social media. And like, what do you think's going to happen?

[01:28:03 - 01:28:20] Speaker: Speaker 3
Well, we'll look at in general. And I say, you know, to go off in a little bit of a tangent, please. There's nothing clean about any armed conflict. No, it is not a video game. I mean, we people will watch, you know, video of us hitting a speedboat in the Caribbean and it all looks like something off of some call.

[01:28:20 - 01:28:41] Speaker: Speaker 3
It hit something and it's all very abstract. And you're like, okay, that's not what war is, man. War as, as as lots of guys in this area, people in this area know, as, you know, people die. And a lot of those people are really good people that die. A lot of them are just are broken for the rest of their lives and a whole variety of ways.

[01:28:41 - 01:29:03] Speaker: Speaker 3
A lot of folks just have the misfortune to happen to be living in the middle of wherever becomes a war zone. They're not on either side, but they still die or get destroyed in some fashion or the other. It's ugly, you know? Which is why, I mean, there are times when we have to go to war. I always say, maybe we ought to think about it a little more before we do it.

[01:29:03 - 01:29:35] Speaker: Speaker 3
Because once you once you start it, they're really hard to end in. A lot of horrible, horrible things happened. I mean, I was in northern Iraq. 0203 we were the first guys into the country. You know, when we launched the invasion in the North, we killed Iraqis by the thousands. I'm sure most of those guys were, what, like goat herders, a 18, 19, 20 year old guys who didn't they hated Saddam more than they hated us.

[01:29:36 - 01:29:55] Speaker: Speaker 3
They just had no choice. They were inducted, put in the army and told to go fight. And they're more terrified of Saddam than they were of us. And the next thing you know, they're being smoked. But in by the hundreds in the air strikes on positions, you're like, okay, well, that's war and that's what we going to do.

[01:29:55 - 01:30:01] Speaker: Speaker 3
But they weren't. I mean, who dies in most wars like.

[01:30:01 - 01:30:02] Speaker: Speaker 2
People who don't want.

[01:30:02 - 01:30:21] Speaker: Speaker 3
To go to war and people didn't ever want to frigging be there, just want to go home. That's. Yeah. So it's it's not cool. And we again, it is sometimes necessary. Just one of the things that, you know, as we ramp up on Venezuela that I keep saying to people is like, let's just slow down here a little bit.

[01:30:21 - 01:30:31] Speaker: Speaker 3
I mean, I'm no friend of Maduro's. He gets run over by a garbage truck tomorrow. That's a good day to be talking about starting a war.

[01:30:31 - 01:30:47] Speaker: Speaker 2
There's people there's people on the internets that are saying that it's not just about the drugs and everything. It has something to do with. And I don't want to go off on a tangent here. I just want to bring it up. It has to do with certain election machines.

[01:30:47 - 01:30:57] Speaker: Speaker 3
That is a that idea has I mean, that that is definitely in the mix. Now, the idea that Maduro's that the Venezuelan election machines rigged the election.

[01:30:57 - 01:30:59] Speaker: Speaker 2
And they've been doing it for 20 years.

[01:30:59 - 01:31:01] Speaker: Speaker 3
That's the accusation.

[01:31:01 - 01:31:05] Speaker: Speaker 2
And up to 75 countries, I believe that's what they have.

[01:31:05 - 01:31:05] Speaker: Speaker 3
Against.

[01:31:05 - 01:31:06] Speaker: Speaker 2
The claim.

[01:31:06 - 01:31:31] Speaker: Speaker 3
Maduro is a scumbag of absolutely epic proportions. He should rot in hell. And and they are in bed with they the Venezuelans are in bed with the Iranians, the Russians, the Chinese, the Cubans, all the creatures of the night. I have yet to see the proof that satisfies me that they, in fact, rigged the 2020 election. So it has nothing to do with.

[01:31:31 - 01:31:33] Speaker: Speaker 3
They wouldn't do that if they could.

[01:31:33 - 01:31:35] Speaker: Speaker 2
But there's no like,

[01:31:35 - 01:31:53] Speaker: Speaker 3
Well, I've seen a lot of the information, including the information behind the most recent book that came out, and that was my commentary is like when I was all done looking at, I was like, I understand he would do this if he could, and he's a slimeball, and I get it, and I'm on board. You don't have to convince me.

[01:31:53 - 01:32:17] Speaker: Speaker 3
What I haven't yet seen is the part where you took this software and had a guy who knows how to forensically examine software, and he pulled it apart and showed me how it works and proves to me that he does this. And if they've really been doing it for years and years and years all over the planet, somebody on our side should be able to take that software apart and say, this is how it works.

[01:32:17 - 01:32:21] Speaker: Speaker 3
That's what I need to see.

[01:32:21 - 01:32:23] Speaker: Speaker 2
You wrote a book called Beyond Repair.

[01:32:23 - 01:32:25] Speaker: Speaker 3
Yes.

[01:32:25 - 01:32:37] Speaker: Speaker 2
Is it your feeling that our nationally national security apparatus is even awake to whatever internal ideological war seems to be happening right now in our country?

[01:32:37 - 01:32:38] Speaker: Speaker 3
Absolutely not.

[01:32:38 - 01:32:39] Speaker: Speaker 2
You don't think that.

[01:32:39 - 01:33:05] Speaker: Speaker 3
They know our whole Intel apparatus is broken, man? I mean, it's on for a whole variety of reasons. It's broken. So it's one of the commentaries I always have when people attribute everything in the world to the CIA is like, you know what, man? In kind of a weird way, you wish they were good enough to do that, if that makes any sense.

[01:33:05 - 01:33:29] Speaker: Speaker 3
Like your vision of the all powerful agency, they can pull strings all over the planet. You kind of wish, actually, you had an agency that could do that. And once upon a time, maybe not anymore. I mean, which is not to again, I'm not absolving them of of everything. I'm just saying, no, we're not on top of anything where of these threats.

[01:33:29 - 01:33:32] Speaker: Speaker 3
Not at all. What?

[01:33:32 - 01:33:56] Speaker: Speaker 2
I know you got to do your. Honey. Do, what can you do around? I would I always keep saying this where I can't do anything about, like, national politics or whatever, but I might be able to have some sort of effect locally in my own community. What would you what what advice would you give to the the residents here, the business owners?

[01:33:56 - 01:34:03] Speaker: Speaker 2
You know, voters that they should probably do and start paying attention?

[01:34:03 - 01:34:12] Speaker: Speaker 3
You know, I think the single biggest thing is that people just need to speak, need to be not be afraid to talk about these issues. And the first.

[01:34:12 - 01:34:13] Speaker: Speaker 2
Educate yourself on the issue and then speak about it.

[01:34:13 - 01:34:35] Speaker: Speaker 3
Yeah. And as you know, when anytime I'm out talking, one of the first things I say is for the love of God, when you guys go home talking to an audience, don't go home and say, because Sam Faddis said this, it must be true. Go home and act like an American citizen and do your own research. And if you conclude that I don't know what the hell I'm talking about, then God bless you literally is what I say.

[01:34:35 - 01:34:58] Speaker: Speaker 3
Because now you're being an American citizen thinking for yourself. But first, yes, educate yourself and then don't be afraid to speak up. Put on your friggin armor. Who cares if people call you bad names and, then demand that your elected officials do the same thing. Like why? Why are we why why aren't you saying something about this?

[01:34:58 - 01:35:04] Speaker: Speaker 3
Why are we tolerant? I mean, you have.

[01:35:04 - 01:35:23] Speaker: Speaker 3
Them give you an idea. The penetration of. Just like to talk about teachers and school systems. Recently, a lady named Assata Shakur died. I said this when I was speaking the other night, okay? She was a Black Panther. She was involved in the murder of a cop. She escaped from prison. She's been hiding out in Cuba ever since.

[01:35:23 - 01:36:02] Speaker: Speaker 3
Since the 70s. She died in Cuba. The Chicago Teachers Union formally mourned her passing, issued a statement that she was a great revolutionary. And, Okay. This is a lady who was a cop killer, a revolutionary, a communist who wanted to destroy the United States of America, and a 20,000 person strong teachers union in one of the nation's largest cities, formally expressed their regret in her passing and recognized her as, in their view, a great person to write a tribute.

[01:36:02 - 01:36:28] Speaker: Speaker 3
That's so as you were talking about this, this whole thing didn't just start. How long does it take you to penetrate a profession to the point where an organization of that size and that significance believes that that a person who murders police officers in the line of duty is a hero, and you're not afraid of it, you don't say it privately.

[01:36:28 - 01:37:03] Speaker: Speaker 3
You on behalf of the whole organization, you say that not just Chicago. I mean, that degree of penetration has spread all over the place down in Philly. You got elementary schools where as projects, they have the kids paint murals of Black Panthers. Who killed cops really? On on the wall. So that's like their project. And then they deliver presentations lauding the tributes of guys who blew away police officers in cold blood.

[01:37:03 - 01:37:10] Speaker: Speaker 3
So I mean, that's again, that's not like I said that in private after too many beers at a bar kind of thing.

[01:37:10 - 01:37:11] Speaker: Speaker 2
Yeah.

[01:37:11 - 01:37:26] Speaker: Speaker 3
That's the form. I mean, that's the principal and library teacher in that school saying this. This is how we think and how we want these kids to think. So I mean, people need to stand up and demand your elected officials stand up to all of this crowd.

[01:37:26 - 01:37:30] Speaker: Speaker 2
I think a lot of more people need to look into your representative.

[01:37:30 - 01:37:31] Speaker: Speaker 3
Yeah.

[01:37:32 - 01:37:42] Speaker: Speaker 2
But if he tells you how how it's going to go, and I was showing that to people five years ago, and there's a couple of people I showed it to where they're like, Holy shit, this is this is legit. This is real.

[01:37:42 - 01:37:42] Speaker: Speaker 3
Yeah.

[01:37:42 - 01:37:44] Speaker: Speaker 2
How do you take over a country?

[01:37:44 - 01:37:49] Speaker: Speaker 3
It is very it is very real. And they're way down the road.

[01:37:49 - 01:37:51] Speaker: Speaker 2
I don't think this is as sad as the last one. As morose is not.

[01:37:51 - 01:38:06] Speaker: Speaker 3
As sad, although it did. I actually thought about bringing ice cream this time, but I but then I wasn't getting it here because it's like zero degrees outside. I've been fine. It was the part where we would melt while we were doing the show, and then I was like, that'll sucks. It would be.

[01:38:06 - 01:38:09] Speaker: Speaker 2
It would be an interesting like avant garde podcasters.

[01:38:09 - 01:38:19] Speaker: Speaker 3
Eating really good ice cream. Talking about that for sure, I kept coming down to is, I'm going to have to walk in with sundaes. We're going to have to eat them while we're on the air. Yeah, maybe I should have just done that. I.

[01:38:19 - 01:38:38] Speaker: Speaker 2
Look, man, I think you're. I think you're, I think you're a warrior in a sea of men. And I think, you know what? What ultimately needs to happen. And what I've been trying to do is, you know, I used to be in bands and stuff, and it was always the first person to come up to dance.

[01:38:38 - 01:38:40] Speaker: Speaker 2
Gives everybody permission to go dance.

[01:38:40 - 01:38:40] Speaker: Speaker 3
Yeah.

[01:38:40 - 01:38:57] Speaker: Speaker 2
And I really respect and appreciate what you do. And I really respect and appreciate what you're trying to do by bringing people together. The event that I was at three weeks ago, which is, if you notice, I got my wife to go, which is a surprise to me. And,

[01:38:57 - 01:38:59] Speaker: Speaker 3
Well, it was proof she existed. So that was the first.

[01:38:59 - 01:39:05] Speaker: Speaker 2
I'm a lucky guy, and she's real. But but she was she was sitting there looking at me. She goes like, I know all.

[01:39:05 - 01:39:10] Speaker: Speaker 3
This. Damn, I know I, I knew you would. I know you would. She lived it.

[01:39:10 - 01:39:17] Speaker: Speaker 2
So. Sam Faddis, oh. Website. And, where can people find you? What's the handles and blah, blah, blah.

[01:39:17 - 01:39:25] Speaker: Speaker 3
Best Place to find me is on Substack and magazine A and D magazine.substack.com. And then that'll take you to wherever else we are on the web.

[01:39:26 - 01:39:28] Speaker: Speaker 2
Anything else coming up that people should be pay attention to?

[01:39:28 - 01:39:51] Speaker: Speaker 3
Well, we're hoping to have it take the the Marxist Revolution in America presentation that you attended statewide and start moving around and start moving around the area. I mean, moving around the state, probably that the next one will be after the holidays because it's a hard time to get people out. We may be having a presentation talking about data centers.

[01:39:51 - 01:39:54] Speaker: Speaker 2
Do you see that documentary, Dead End Data Center? So I send it to you.

[01:39:54 - 01:39:55] Speaker: Speaker 3
I don't remember.

[01:39:55 - 01:39:58] Speaker: Speaker 2
I, me and Jamie Walsh went down to, data center. Ali down in Ashburn.

[01:39:58 - 01:40:27] Speaker: Speaker 3
Oh, yes, you did 100%. And Jamie has been very much involved in the conversation. Yeah. And, you know, it's it's it's not so much that we're saying there should never be any data centers or it's just like, slow down, man, let's. Why are we building all of these things and sucking up normally? And what are we going to do with all this AI capability, by the way, now that we can monitor every bit of information on the planet, what does that mean for personal freedom?

[01:40:27 - 01:40:55] Speaker: Speaker 3
Also, I noticed that we didn't build any new nuclear power plants for like 40 years, and now all of a sudden, in the blink of an eye, we're going to build dozens and dozens and dozens everywhere. And again, I'm not saying what I'm not. I have never felt like we should stop nuclear power entirely, but it's just like, how did we go from 0 to 120 miles an hour on this without any actual conversation?

[01:40:55 - 01:41:26] Speaker: Speaker 3
Because. Because I'm feeling like the answer. The first answer to this is some guys who already have more money than God are going to make even more money out of all of this crap. But just basically, as usual, where's the what about the average American? The person has got to live next to one of these things. Now, we already see what the electricity electrical consumption is doing due to rates, because the first priority is to pump electricity to the data center, not your house, to keep you warm in the.

[01:41:26 - 01:41:33] Speaker: Speaker 2
Winter, they have to have 99.99% operation at all times.

[01:41:33 - 01:41:34] Speaker: Speaker 3
Yes.

[01:41:34 - 01:41:37] Speaker: Speaker 2
And and and the community is secondary to that data center.

[01:41:37 - 01:41:58] Speaker: Speaker 3
Yeah. And and there are so many other dimensions. And there are guys like Jamie and Ed Brown who's associated with him. You know, Ed's the best. Who who have, you know, I mean, they were the guys educating me on this stuff. But one of the things Ed points out is, and you build this giant thing that's the size of some huge Amazon warehouse, it sucks up all the groundwater.

[01:41:58 - 01:42:15] Speaker: Speaker 3
It gets priority for the electricity, and almost all its functions are automated. So it isn't like a factory. You didn't just put hundreds of guys to work inside. There's like three guys inside. Yes. And by and large, they're pushing brooms.

[01:42:15 - 01:42:29] Speaker: Speaker 2
When we went down there, one of the ladies, Vicky, said to us, we go, and how many people do these employ? She goes, look at the parking lot. She was just 15 spots. She goes, you need like 3 or 4 people in there. That's it.

[01:42:29 - 01:42:34] Speaker: Speaker 3
That's exactly right. You're not. You're not talking about something that will lead to jobs.

[01:42:34 - 01:42:41] Speaker: Speaker 2
No. And most and most of the construction jobs have to come from out of state because they're they're specialized in other states and they're not specialized here.

[01:42:41 - 01:42:55] Speaker: Speaker 3
They will blow into town and when the things done, they will blow back out of town and you will be living next to this thing, sucking up all the groundwater, driving up your electrical rates, and not get a dime.

[01:42:55 - 01:43:24] Speaker: Speaker 2
Out of this. One of the things that they told us that really blew my mind down there was that they raised the data centers, and the PUC raised the rates to pay to run the new lines, the 500 CVS. And I think there's 740. There's a 740 kV line. And then you look into the information on that and where they're going to put it, and then you look at the minimum safe distance, which the 500 kV lines is 250 yards each side, which is 500 yards safe distance.

[01:43:24 - 01:43:33] Speaker: Speaker 2
And they're going to put put this next to residents in neighborhoods. And I don't I think it's Skynet. I think it's Terminator.

[01:43:33 - 01:44:05] Speaker: Speaker 3
I, I, I have on many occasions recently said am I the only one that ever watch Terminator because, you know, hear, hear. Dodd talking about integrating AI into its weapon system. So terrifying. I've seen this frigging movie, man. I know how this plays. But, you know, in general, I mean, as with most of our presentations, this thing we want to do on the data center, and we did one a few months ago and, much on a much smaller scale, want to try to get good audience and, and, promo this thing.

[01:44:05 - 01:44:24] Speaker: Speaker 3
But the whole point again is we want to educate people. Not telling people what they got better do is the bottom line is before you wake up one day and sign there, all of a sudden building this thing next to your house, here's what you what you need. We've done some similar stuff on solar farms.

[01:44:24 - 01:44:25] Speaker: Speaker 2
Same thing before.

[01:44:25 - 01:44:42] Speaker: Speaker 3
They come in and they start doing this. Let's just talk about it, man. What's actually in those solar panels? What happens when they break in a hailstorm and all that stuff leaches into the ground? It's the company's not going to care. Nope. And, you're not going to be able to drink your well water forever.

[01:44:42 - 01:45:05] Speaker: Speaker 2
Well, you know, my big argument too is like with the data centers as they build these monstrously large concrete buildings that they can put up in a few and minimal amount of time and, you know, Ohm's law. You know, in ten years you're going to need way less of what you think you need. So 100% full in ten years will be 20% full.

[01:45:05 - 01:45:11] Speaker: Speaker 2
So what did we build. Because now the rest of it is just they're going to leave like it's the same thing as a solar and.

[01:45:11 - 01:45:34] Speaker: Speaker 3
They're going to leave 100%. They will walk away. The corporation that was there was all about money. They're not about your community. So again, this is you know, this is kind of the standard theme is like, let's just give you the tools you need as a citizen to make smart decisions and decide how you feel about this. Nobody's trying to say nobody's ever going to build an AI center or, you know, a data center.

[01:45:34 - 01:46:03] Speaker: Speaker 3
And nobody's saying we shouldn't build any nuke new nuclear plants. They're just saying, wait a second, man, how was I? I must have missed the part where, as a country, we talked about these issues and made a decision because I feel like, again, somebody at the top is getting really rich and really powerful out of this. So we're just supposed to shut up and go along that that that bugs me.

[01:46:03 - 01:46:12] Speaker: Speaker 2
You're bad ass, my friend. And if you want, I can hook you up with all the arch ball people up there because they're trying to do data centers up there. I'm sure they'd happily sit and listen 100%.

[01:46:12 - 01:46:15] Speaker: Speaker 3
We will rep you. And we're probably talking February at this point.

[01:46:15 - 01:46:25] Speaker: Speaker 2
Okay, awesome. We should promote it. And we should. We should get a bunch of people there. And and if you want, we should get, you know, a certain state rep there to talk about it because he is impassioned.

[01:46:25 - 01:46:27] Speaker: Speaker 3
He's impassioned. He's a good man.

[01:46:27 - 01:46:28] Speaker: Speaker 2
I appreciate you, Sam Faddis.

[01:46:28 - 01:46:29] Speaker: Speaker 3
Take care.

[01:46:29 - 01:46:32] Speaker: Speaker 2
Be awesome. Brother.

[01:46:32 - 01:46:37] Speaker: Unknown
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[01:46:37 - 01:46:38] Speaker: Unknown
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